how good is your school at lublin, and the one at katowice poland

[kadiyala99]

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i will be visiting lublin and would like to meet with some students if at all possible, next week. please give me some info on lublin and katowice

 

[ApacheIndian]

I have friends in Katowice. I know how they & others there are doing. I've been to the place and seen it firsthand while visiting them. My advice: stay away. Stay far away.

 

[kadiyala99]

I'd like people to give me answers to the questions i ask...

Please let me make my own decisions about these med schools.

So tell me something you know about the school or town, rather than to insist that i stay away from the school. If you think that I should stay away, then you need to give cogent reasons, that i can use, to come to your conclusion

 

[maxheadroom]

beware, beware, beware. Very good US med schools can't boast 100% Step 1 passage rates on a regular basis. My school went 100% for two years, then one person in my class failed. NEVER believe someone who tells you that their school gets a 100% passage rate OR a 100% US residency placement rate if it's an international school. beware, beware, beware

 

[ApacheIndian]

Originally posted by kadiyala99
I'd like people to give me answers to the questions i ask...

Please let me make my own decisions about these med schools.

So tell me something you know about the school or town, rather than to insist that i stay away from the school. If you think that I should stay away, then you need to give cogent reasons, that i can use, to come to your conclusion

You've got mail. I see that your original post was asking for opinions of current students at these various Polish schools. I find that somewhat ironic b/c I would venture to say that 99% of those students either don't know this site exists, or don't care to utilize it as the great source of info that it is. Also, if you're seeking statistically significant results/opinions, I would say that you asking the students at these very programs right now is a clear selection bias, and I would take whatever they say with about 1000 grains of salt. Very few people will openly admit to their mistakes, misjudgements, and bad decisions. That said, do your homework, and be careful. Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you.

 

[Ajmeru]

Hi,
I wasted one precious year of my life in Lublin. Trust me do not waste your time, money, and energy in that place. The educational standards are way inferior to the US med schools and even the Carribean schools. I have since transferred to St. Matthew's in Cayman Islands. While I am not in the business of endorsing or degrading any school, I would just warn you to think it over before you make this move. Lublin and Katowice are run by an Indian agent who could care less for your welfare in a foreign country where people of color are especially under threat. There is a massive language problem with the faculty. We were often shown video tapes as part of our anatomy lectures because the professor wasn't familiar with the english language. Most of their students are people who have done two to three year of undergrad who don't even know the structure of benzene. As Dr. Cuts pointed out, they'll never admit to their mistakes and may misguide you. In the end it's your decision. But visit other schools and compare before you leap into this trap.

 

[rirriri]

i disagree.

i know many people who have successfully completed the coursework and Lublin and Katowice and have started or are starting good solid Residency programs next year.

the Poland schools are very good if you motivate yourself.

There are alot of bitter people against eastern european schools in general. Either they fail out, or can't adapt to live there, or have other issues.

but at the same time there are alot of people who have a brilliant time and get a good education there. It is a VERY viable option for whoever is interested and it avoids the carribbean "stigma" and yet still follows the US regimen for the basic sciences.

the majority of my friends who went to school there had a very good experience.

cheers

 

[catchmehere44]

any thoughts on Poznan medical school in Poland?

 

[redleft123]

Originally posted by rirriri
i disagree.

the Poland schools are very good if you motivate yourself.

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but at the same time there are alot of people who ... get a good education there. It is a VERY viable option for whoever is interested and it avoids the carribbean "stigma" and yet still follows the US regimen for the basic sciences.

Sorry rirriri, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you on your premise. Are you working for Hope Medical in Virginia?

It's true that some of the Polish schools are very good if you motivate yourself. But those are the schools which have been around for years (centuries!) and market themselves to the local populations.

The whole problem of off-shore [Carribbean] medical schools (most of which are simply a money-making enterprise for a few chosen few business executives) has now spread to Europe with the advent of English-language programs. Ahhhh -- the glory of capitalism now that the iron curtain is down. Lublin and Slesia ELPs no better than the less-than-professional organizations which created fly-by-night medical schools on the islands.....Lublin and Slesia are just two examples which perpetuate the problem by now adding the ELPs. Hope Medical is selling these programs as the end-all, primarily in [East] Indian-American publications. (NOTE: I am not criticizing the school and the native-language programs, which have been operational for years; the ELPs are the problem.)

This is exactly the type of business which generate laughter and derision from those within the medical professions, and which (the ELPs) are subject to a more-indepth review by the CA medical Board. (The reason I bring this up is because rirriri has stated in another post that she believes that Lublin and Slesia will be approved by the CA medical Board in time for next year's match when, in reality, they have not even applied.)

The only way that a person can make an intelligent decision is to be fully informed.

cheers

(BTW, I am not against the concept of international medical schools. If I was, then I would not be here. However, I am against the concept of schools offering an ELP, promising one thing (and taking money for it) and then not delivering what the students expect based on those promises [leaving out, of course, any variables based on the student's educational and mental accuity].)

 

[ApacheIndian]

Agreed with Redleft. Be very careful what you read on these boards. Do not simply accept what someone posts as fact. You don't know who the person is, what his credentials are, or where his interests lie. That said, I personally am strongly against these Polish medical programs, but don't just take my word for it. Do your own research and make an informed decision. After all, it is your life on the line. Good luck.

 

[rirriri]

redleft123,

1. Silesia and Lublin are *both* REAL medical schools that have fully functional Polish programs. They have been around for MANY years. The *english* program of these schools parallels the *polish* program. The curriculum is the same/similar. I dont know where you get your information that it is a "fly by night" educational system. I don't work for Hope, nor do i particularly think they provide the best gateway for international education, but i can vouch for my experiences.

2. There are only a handful of Medical Schools in Poland as it is, and they are ranked. The Silesia program has consistently been in the top 3 for many years.

The programs are good, I have friends that are living proof of it. You must also understand that the quality of education has a large burden on the quality of the student. As anyone in medical school knows, the information WILL be provided to you in one form or another, it's the job of the student to learn it and apply it.

cheers