How I Got a 100.35% in Orgo II

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Hello everyone I am a new poster here and I just want to give some advice/create a guide for people who are going to be taking Orgo 1 or Orgo 2 this fall or will be taking these classes in the future. I know that organic chemistry is a very important class that all health schools, especially medical school, look at. I am not particularly pre-med, but I am pre-health/science because I am 100% sure what exactly what I will be doing once I graduate college. However, I am very sure about how to get an A in both orgo 1 and 2. I got A's in both orgo 1 and 2, with a 97% in orgo 1 and a 100.35% in orgo 2. I know what y'all thinking, "damn you must have studied an insane amount of hours." Not really. I spent 2 hours total studying 1 chapter orgo per week and no more than 4 reviewing for an exam when I finished all of the necessary chapters. For my orgo 1 and 2 finals, I reviewed the night before. Believe me I am not trolling. I don't think I am some super genius either. I just learned methods of how to understand the material extremely well with very little time spent studying.

1) Understand the first chapter, "Structure Determines Properties" as if your life depended on it

2) Know the vocabulary very well

3) Know your nomenclature

That's it. I never did practice problems. Why? If you understand what the question is saying, know what the compound looks like if you are only given words and not pictures, and you apply the principal structure determines properties, you will do consistently well on the exams. I kid you not, the first chapter principle "Structure Determines Properties" permeates throughout the entire class. Almost all of the problems lead back to this concept. Which compound is a stronger acid? Phenol and ethanol? Why can't this particular compound undergo aldol condensation? Etc. ,etc., etc.

All of these questions can be answered by examining the compounds' structure and understanding the general trends in how structure determines properties, and how properties determine what the compounds' structure is. If you understood chapter 1 well, those questions will be a breeze. This is easier said than done for reactions. For many people, reactions and their mechanisms as well as multistep questions give them trouble, especially in orgo 2. There are so many variables and methods and things to think about and so many reactions to learn some people's head explodes. It is hard, unless your memory is very good, to memorize every single reaction. Only memorize some of the reactions. I will tell you this, multistep questions and learning reactions and their mechanism came naturally for me. Reactions and multistep was my favorite part of orgo 1 and orgo 2 as well as mechanisms. Understand that there are about 3-5 main reactions that repeat over and over, and they all have to do with a compound's structure. A compound's structure determines it physical and chemical properties.

For example you know a benzene ring is very stable because it is aromatic. So catalytic hydrogenation won't reduce it to cyclohexane. But benzene can be reduced under very specific conditions like the Birch Reduction. Understand the structure of every compound that you encounter (hydrocarbons, alcohols, alkyl halides, carbonyls, etc.) and you will know how to answer most questions. Look at key things like the type of atoms in the compound (C, O, polar bonds?), the functional groups, (we know hydroxyl is a poor leavng group so that has many implication and can hydrogen bond so high boiling pount), possibility of resonance etc.

Sorry for this lengthy random bullsh** I just want to help people who may be struggling in orgo or are terrified of taking orgo. I know the pressure can be too much sometimes, so I want to help alleviate some of that.

All in all, when you are looking at general physical and chemical properties, look at the functional groups within the compound. When you have trouble figuring out what the products of a reaction will be, look at the functional groups and logically guesstimate what they will do based on what you know. For reaction mechanisms, understand what type of compound you are working with and whether it is a catalytic, reversible, etc. so that the steps will be a logical map rather than straight memorization. And for multistep, compare the starting compound and finished product (# of carbons present, any new functional groups,etc.) and work backwards. Good luck
 
I'm just gonna get my daddy Birdman to hire a few hot tutors...they can teach me to draw some carbon rings and I can give them some Au rings
 
Not doing practice problems is not a good way to go. That being said, it's great this worked for you, but this is not something that will work for everyone, or even most people.
 
Orgo = easy shmeezy. I got a 102.437% in Orgo1 and 103.229% in Orgo II.
 
Hopefully not at Notre Dame. That's practically like bragging about a grade from middle school.
 
Yah guys, just don't do practice problems...
"**** it we'll do it live!"
 
Nothing wrong with xtra credit! I also got a 100 in orgo haha. And I'm very weak in the first chapter. I think I got it by memorizing rxns
 
Good technique, it somewhat relates to this one someone shared

I agree with those that said understanding the concepts is more important than memorizing every detail. On my first day of O.Chem the professor said those of you that don't just memorize reactions, but understand the chemistry will do best. I didn't know what he was talking about at first, but as the semester went on I focused on chemistry not just this named reaction does A then B then C. By the second semester I was scoring perfect or near perfect stores with minimal studying while other students had color coded notecards with 5000 mechanisms written on them.

I also find that those concepts that the professors usually blow through at the beginning of a chapter/book/semester, those foundational concepts, are the most important part of really "getting it." Spend time understanding the core concepts and building solid foundations, and the "difficult" concepts will come easy.

Finally, I find most people that over-study or take copious amounts of complex notes, are doing what I call "Guilty Studying." They overstudy inefficiently for hours on end so that they feel like they did everything they could when they get the grade. To me if you make more of an effort to understand concepts, you shouldn't need more than a couple of hours to study the material that builds on those concepts. For example, I often take condensed notes at the beginning of a chapter, connecting important concepts to foundational concepts. I then make sure to look at those condensed notes for about 15 minutes each day. Come mid-term or final I am so familiar with all of the concepts by just taking a few minutes each day, I don't need much more than an hour to review.

Also, figure out your learning style. When I'm struggling to get something, I try to find audio on it because I'm an auditory learner. I'll be commuting to work, listening to the audio, when all of the sudden it just clicks.
 
Wow, I wish my school was like this.
 
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This seems like a penis waving thread.
 
What did you score on the acs?

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Extra credit in a college level science class? Is this a joke?

Yeah.

What college is this? Devry U?

I don't think this advice would be applicable to real universities.
 
Mine's 13"

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Hello everyone I am a new poster here and I just want to give some advice/create a guide for people who are going to be taking Orgo 1 or Orgo 2 this fall or will be taking these classes in the future. I know that organic chemistry is a very important class that all health schools, especially medical school, look at. I am not particularly pre-med, but I am pre-health/science because I am 100% sure what exactly what I will be doing once I graduate college. However, I am very sure about how to get an A in both orgo 1 and 2. I got A's in both orgo 1 and 2, with a 97% in orgo 1 and a 100.35% in orgo 2. I know what y'all thinking, "damn you must have studied an insane amount of hours." Not really. I spent 2 hours total studying 1 chapter orgo per week and no more than 4 reviewing for an exam when I finished all of the necessary chapters. For my orgo 1 and 2 finals, I reviewed the night before. Believe me I am not trolling. I don't think I am some super genius either. I just learned methods of how to understand the material extremely well with very little time spent studying.

1) Understand the first chapter, "Structure Determines Properties" as if your life depended on it

2) Know the vocabulary very well

3) Know your nomenclature

That's it. I never did practice problems. Why? If you understand what the question is saying, know what the compound looks like if you are only given words and not pictures, and you apply the principal structure determines properties, you will do consistently well on the exams. I kid you not, the first chapter principle "Structure Determines Properties" permeates throughout the entire class. Almost all of the problems lead back to this concept. Which compound is a stronger acid? Phenol and ethanol? Why can't this particular compound undergo aldol condensation? Etc. ,etc., etc.

All of these questions can be answered by examining the compounds' structure and understanding the general trends in how structure determines properties, and how properties determine what the compounds' structure is. If you understood chapter 1 well, those questions will be a breeze. This is easier said than done for reactions. For many people, reactions and their mechanisms as well as multistep questions give them trouble, especially in orgo 2. There are so many variables and methods and things to think about and so many reactions to learn some people's head explodes. It is hard, unless your memory is very good, to memorize every single reaction. Only memorize some of the reactions. I will tell you this, multistep questions and learning reactions and their mechanism came naturally for me. Reactions and multistep was my favorite part of orgo 1 and orgo 2 as well as mechanisms. Understand that there are about 3-5 main reactions that repeat over and over, and they all have to do with a compound's structure. A compound's structure determines it physical and chemical properties.

For example you know a benzene ring is very stable because it is aromatic. So catalytic hydrogenation won't reduce it to cyclohexane. But benzene can be reduced under very specific conditions like the Birch Reduction. Understand the structure of every compound that you encounter (hydrocarbons, alcohols, alkyl halides, carbonyls, etc.) and you will know how to answer most questions. Look at key things like the type of atoms in the compound (C, O, polar bonds?), the functional groups, (we know hydroxyl is a poor leavng group so that has many implication and can hydrogen bond so high boiling pount), possibility of resonance etc.

Sorry for this lengthy random bullsh** I just want to help people who may be struggling in orgo or are terrified of taking orgo. I know the pressure can be too much sometimes, so I want to help alleviate some of that.

All in all, when you are looking at general physical and chemical properties, look at the functional groups within the compound. When you have trouble figuring out what the products of a reaction will be, look at the functional groups and logically guesstimate what they will do based on what you know. For reaction mechanisms, understand what type of compound you are working with and whether it is a catalytic, reversible, etc. so that the steps will be a logical map rather than straight memorization. And for multistep, compare the starting compound and finished product (# of carbons present, any new functional groups,etc.) and work backwards. Good luck


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Hello everyone I am a new poster here and I just want to give some advice/create a guide for people who are going to be taking Orgo 1 or Orgo 2 this fall or will be taking these classes in the future. I know that organic chemistry is a very important class that all health schools, especially medical school, look at. I am not particularly pre-med, but I am pre-health/science because I am 100% sure what exactly what I will be doing once I graduate college. However, I am very sure about how to get an A in both orgo 1 and 2. I got A's in both orgo 1 and 2, with a 97% in orgo 1 and a 100.35% in orgo 2. I know what y'all thinking, "damn you must have studied an insane amount of hours." Not really. I spent 2 hours total studying 1 chapter orgo per week and no more than 4 reviewing for an exam when I finished all of the necessary chapters. For my orgo 1 and 2 finals, I reviewed the night before. Believe me I am not trolling. I don't think I am some super genius either. I just learned methods of how to understand the material extremely well with very little time spent studying.

1) Understand the first chapter, "Structure Determines Properties" as if your life depended on it

2) Know the vocabulary very well

3) Know your nomenclature

That's it. I never did practice problems. Why? If you understand what the question is saying, know what the compound looks like if you are only given words and not pictures, and you apply the principal structure determines properties, you will do consistently well on the exams. I kid you not, the first chapter principle "Structure Determines Properties" permeates throughout the entire class. Almost all of the problems lead back to this concept. Which compound is a stronger acid? Phenol and ethanol? Why can't this particular compound undergo aldol condensation? Etc. ,etc., etc.

All of these questions can be answered by examining the compounds' structure and understanding the general trends in how structure determines properties, and how properties determine what the compounds' structure is. If you understood chapter 1 well, those questions will be a breeze. This is easier said than done for reactions. For many people, reactions and their mechanisms as well as multistep questions give them trouble, especially in orgo 2. There are so many variables and methods and things to think about and so many reactions to learn some people's head explodes. It is hard, unless your memory is very good, to memorize every single reaction. Only memorize some of the reactions. I will tell you this, multistep questions and learning reactions and their mechanism came naturally for me. Reactions and multistep was my favorite part of orgo 1 and orgo 2 as well as mechanisms. Understand that there are about 3-5 main reactions that repeat over and over, and they all have to do with a compound's structure. A compound's structure determines it physical and chemical properties.

For example you know a benzene ring is very stable because it is aromatic. So catalytic hydrogenation won't reduce it to cyclohexane. But benzene can be reduced under very specific conditions like the Birch Reduction. Understand the structure of every compound that you encounter (hydrocarbons, alcohols, alkyl halides, carbonyls, etc.) and you will know how to answer most questions. Look at key things like the type of atoms in the compound (C, O, polar bonds?), the functional groups, (we know hydroxyl is a poor leavng group so that has many implication and can hydrogen bond so high boiling pount), possibility of resonance etc.

Sorry for this lengthy random bullsh** I just want to help people who may be struggling in orgo or are terrified of taking orgo. I know the pressure can be too much sometimes, so I want to help alleviate some of that.

All in all, when you are looking at general physical and chemical properties, look at the functional groups within the compound. When you have trouble figuring out what the products of a reaction will be, look at the functional groups and logically guesstimate what they will do based on what you know. For reaction mechanisms, understand what type of compound you are working with and whether it is a catalytic, reversible, etc. so that the steps will be a logical map rather than straight memorization. And for multistep, compare the starting compound and finished product (# of carbons present, any new functional groups,etc.) and work backwards. Good luck

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This seems like a penis waving thread.

The OP is a premed girl

Such wisdom!

It's 0.35% above a 100%. I know students with 150% on Orgo. Not much wisdom..
 
TL;DR: there is only one way to study, my way. If you do it any other way, you will fail.
 
Don't do practice problems? Lol.... Everything else was great advice until that part.
 
Where did you take O-chem? A top difficult school, or random university?
 
0.35 seems like an oddly specific number 😕

And no practice problems? That is indeed living the pre-med life on the dangerous side 😱
 
Where did you take O-chem? A top difficult school, or random university?

OP probably took it at a random easy university. Some of the smartest people I know don't even get a 95+ at my school without a curve.
 
I took orgo at apublic "random" school. The professor gave bonus in the form of curving, because many people always failed the tests. Organic is as hard as the first few chapters. After that, it's almost complete memorization of which reagents and catalysts do which rxns. In fact, when I tried to learn everything about organic to do good in the class, I failed a test. I quickly recovered by just focusing on the current material and the picked up the general stuff while studying for the mcat. I would say organic is more annoying than it is hard, and it is also less hard than gen chem, because gen chem involves calculations and is really boring. Organic doesnt have to be that boring.
 
I beg to differ on that.Doing well in organic chemistry is simply a function of conceptually understanding acid-base trends and a few periodic table trends (and resonance).You should also get good at naming which comes through practice.Once you have these two things down,you're set.Most mechanisms revolve around an electron rich guy (nucleophile) helping out an electron poor guy (electrophile).Find whoever's poorest and draw an arrow from whoever's richest and you'll trace out many mechanisms even without having studied them.
 
Lol I think u guys are jelly of OP so you're saying his orgo was too easy because he got over 100%.. Maybe the class was hard as hell and there was a little inflation, but if he got over 100% there, he'd probably still get an A ... Orgo varies by TEACHER , probably not as much by school.
 
My ochem grade was over 9000!!
 
random question: was everyone else on here required to take the acs for orgo 2? Our professor didn't "have to", but felt it would be an "insult to his teaching ability" if we did not get tested by the standardized test...... :annoyed:
 
random question: was everyone else on here required to take the acs for orgo 2? Our professor didn't "have to", but felt it would be an "insult to his teaching ability" if we did not get tested by the standardized test...... :annoyed:

No, we used the ACS exams for our gen chem finals though.
 
Lol I think u guys are jelly of OP so you're saying his orgo was too easy because he got over 100%.. Maybe the class was hard as hell and there was a little inflation, but if he got over 100% there, he'd probably still get an A ... Orgo varies by TEACHER , probably not as much by school.

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There is no curve for my organic chemistry class. A 94 and above is an A. So if you had a 93.99999999, you will get an A- no matter what. Secondly, there was extra credit. But it was in the form of exams. She only gave extra credit when you answered a questions that only like five people in the entire class could answer. This was her form of giving you props for answering a seemingly impossible question. She liked putting in wtf is this sh** questions to see who knew what is going on and rewarded you with extra credit and/or would approach you to see if you wanted to join her research team or persuade you to become a chemistry or biochem major. The extra credit was maybe an additional 1 or 2 points on your grade. For many people, the final is what screwed them over. I know the average for the final exam last semester was in the high 40s and the average for our final this semester was a 58. She did not curve the final at all. So you could literally go from a A to an A- or even a B+ if you bombed it badly (which many people did)
 
There is no curve for my organic chemistry class. A 94 and above is an A. So if you had a 93.99999999, you will get an A- no matter what. Secondly, there was extra credit. But it was in the form of exams. She only gave extra credit when you answered a questions that only like five people in the entire class could answer. This was her form of giving you props for answering a seemingly impossible question. She liked putting in wtf is this sh** questions to see who knew what is going on and rewarded you with extra credit and/or would approach you to see if you wanted to join her research team or persuade you to become a chemistry or biochem major. The extra credit was maybe an additional 1 or 2 points on your grade. For many people, the final is what screwed them over. I know the average for the final exam last semester was in the high 40s and the average for our final this semester was a 58. She did not curve the final at all. So you could literally go from a A to an A- or even a B+ if you bombed it badly (which many people did)

A very cool story.
 
There is no curve for my organic chemistry class. A 94 and above is an A. So if you had a 93.99999999, you will get an A- no matter what. Secondly, there was extra credit. But it was in the form of exams. She only gave extra credit when you answered a questions that only like five people in the entire class could answer. This was her form of giving you props for answering a seemingly impossible question. She liked putting in wtf is this sh** questions to see who knew what is going on and rewarded you with extra credit and/or would approach you to see if you wanted to join her research team or persuade you to become a chemistry or biochem major. The extra credit was maybe an additional 1 or 2 points on your grade. For many people, the final is what screwed them over. I know the average for the final exam last semester was in the high 40s and the average for our final this semester was a 58. She did not curve the final at all. So you could literally go from a A to an A- or even a B+ if you bombed it badly (which many people did)

Good read. Thanks for the update.
 
There is no curve for my organic chemistry class. A 94 and above is an A. So if you had a 93.99999999, you will get an A- no matter what. Secondly, there was extra credit. But it was in the form of exams. She only gave extra credit when you answered a questions that only like five people in the entire class could answer. This was her form of giving you props for answering a seemingly impossible question. She liked putting in wtf is this sh** questions to see who knew what is going on and rewarded you with extra credit and/or would approach you to see if you wanted to join her research team or persuade you to become a chemistry or biochem major. The extra credit was maybe an additional 1 or 2 points on your grade. For many people, the final is what screwed them over. I know the average for the final exam last semester was in the high 40s and the average for our final this semester was a 58. She did not curve the final at all. So you could literally go from a A to an A- or even a B+ if you bombed it badly (which many people did)

So you're saying your penis is larger than 8 inches now?
 
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