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I am deciding between two schools and am wondering how much Second Look swayed people's opinions of the med schools to which they ultimately matriculated? I am currently out of country so will have to budget limited travel days & international flight costs. Would love to hear your thoughts!
 
Do you really have to spend money on traveling to decide between two schools? Use the following algorithm and adjust to your likings: pick a school based on prestige, location, and cost. That is all what matters. Medical student bodies are mostly identical in personality, from Albany Medical College to Harvard to all the DO programs.
 
Do you really have to spend money on traveling to decide between two schools? Use the following algorithm and adjust to your likings: pick a school based on prestige, location, and cost. That is all what matters. Medical student bodies are mostly identical in personality, from Albany Medical College to Harvard to all the DO programs.

But usually of those 3 factors, it's not like 1 school is clearly above the others. Like what if you love California and deciding between HMS full-price, Michigan full-tuition, UCLA half tuition.

Money: Michigan
Prestige: Harvard
Location: UCLA
 
But usually of those 3 factors, it's not like 1 school is clearly above the others. Like what if you love California and deciding between HMS full-price, Michigan full-tuition, UCLA half tuition.

Money: Michigan
Prestige: Harvard
Location: UCLA
In that case, I would do UCLA because it is prestigious enough, I love LA, and getting a decent sized scholarship. I can't live in the midwest, sorry Michigan. I love Harvard and Boston but won't pay full price, plus I always wanted to say no to harvard for bragging rights.

It's an easier process in my mind.
 
But usually of those 3 factors, it's not like 1 school is clearly above the others. Like what if you love California and deciding between HMS full-price, Michigan full-tuition, UCLA half tuition.

Money: Michigan
Prestige: Harvard
Location: UCLA

Right, I guess it isn't as clear cut as I thought it might be, all things considered. In my case, it would be full tuition at a more prestigious school in a location that I am not sure I'd like vs. half tuition at a slightly less prestigious school in a preferred location.

Second look just seems to add to pre-existing validation bias.
Enjoy your time away.

I could see that being the case. Thank you for your input!
 
It would be easier if you just named the schools. No one's going to out you
 
Right, I guess it isn't as clear cut as I thought it might be, all things considered. In my case, it would be full tuition at a more prestigious school in a location that I am not sure I'd like vs. half tuition at a slightly less prestigious school in a preferred location.



I could see that being the case. Thank you for your input!

If that prestigious school is a top 5, I would take it. Otherwise, half tuition at a slightly less prestigious school in a better location is the way to go.
 
I plan on using second looks to explore the cities around the schools. You should, too.
 
I plan on using second looks to explore the cities around the schools. You should, too.

I think this is a good point. Sure I know that I like Chicago and New York, but if I get into a school in New Orleans or Winton-Salem, I have no idea how to "rank" those areas without hanging out in them a bit.
 
In that case, I would do UCLA because it is prestigious enough, I love LA, and getting a decent sized scholarship. I can't live in the midwest, sorry Michigan. I love Harvard and Boston but won't pay full price, plus I always wanted to say no to harvard for bragging rights.

It's an easier process in my mind.
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And the locations with the lowest specialty pay were:
  • Vermont ($299,000);
  • Washington D.C. ($298,000); and
  • Rhode Island ($291,000).
Another takeaway is that doctors "pay the price" for working in academic medicine, Joel Davis, VP of hiring solutions at Doximity, writes in a blog post. The survey found that physicians in academic positions earn 13% less than their peers.

In some specialties, the difference is more dramatic. For instance, Davis says academic cardiologists earn 52% less than their non-academic counterparts.
 
Do you really have to spend money on traveling to decide between two schools? Use the following algorithm and adjust to your likings: pick a school based on prestige, location, and cost. That is all what matters. Medical student bodies are mostly identical in personality, from Albany Medical College to Harvard to all the DO programs.
Reverse the order of those 3 factors and you'll be set.
 
Do Second Looks if you are unsure. You will be spending 4 years of your life + significant amount of money. This is a good chance to talk to students about their perspectives. Just based on prestige, cost, etc is often not enough.
 
I tried to do the same, but for most of my interviews there was a G2G the night before so there wasn't as much time as I would have liked to get a better feel for the area.
 
Do you really have to spend money on traveling to decide between two schools? Use the following algorithm and adjust to your likings: pick a school based on prestige, location, and cost. That is all what matters. Medical student bodies are mostly identical in personality, from Albany Medical College to Harvard to all the DO programs.
It's not the student body that you go to check out. It's the bodies of the students.
 
I gave up 2 acceptances, but I don't think they would have been a bargaining chip for scholarships. I knew what my top choices were, and took the best I could get.

For some, it may be worthwhile to hold the acceptances, for more pressure on schools to give out scholarship money. However, it really does hurt our fellow applicants having to suffer on a waitlist. It really does encourage self-serving behavior, sort of opposite of what they seemed to want for their class makeup.
 
I gave up 2 acceptances, but I don't think they would have been a bargaining chip for scholarships. I knew what my top choices were, and took the best I could get.

For some, it may be worthwhile to hold the acceptances, for more pressure on schools to give out scholarship money. However, it really does hurt our fellow applicants having to suffer on a waitlist. It really does encourage self-serving behavior, sort of opposite of what they seemed to want for their class makeup.
I guess I see it more on the flipside, where this is the only time in the application cycle where we have any power (although very little), compared to the schools having all the chips during primaries, secondaries and interviews.
 
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I guess I see it more on the flipside, where this is the only time in the application cycle where we have any power (although very little still), compared to the schools having all the chips during primaries, secondaries and interviews.
Yes, but the power is at the cost of holding a seat from someone else. Not sure if it really plays into the scholarship decisions, so it is still quite a bit of a black box.
 
Yes, but the power is at the cost of holding a seat from someone else. Not sure if it really plays into the scholarship decisions, so it is still quite a bit of a black box.
Giving up a seat now doesn't mean someone is going to get pulled off the waitlist before April 30th.

I've been holding on to all my acceptances because you never know which one will give me a little $10K need-based scholarship or what have you. I'm covering all expenses in loans, so I have to worry about cost above basically all else
 
Giving up a seat now doesn't mean someone is going to get pulled off the waitlist before April 30th.

I've been holding on to all my acceptances because you never know which one will give me a little $10K need-based scholarship or what have you. I'm covering all expenses in loans, so I have to worry about cost above basically all else

That doesn't sound like something nice to do. If you are deciding between two acceptances, then that's fine. But if you have more than that and still holding on to those seats because there's a "chance" you may get scholarship, then you are occupying a spot that someone else would like. Many schools do pull people off the waitlist before April.
 
That doesn't sound like something nice to do. If you are deciding between two acceptances, then that's fine. But if you have more than that and still holding on to those seats because there's a "chance" you may get scholarship, then you are occupying a spot that someone else would like. Many schools do pull people off the waitlist before April.
Schools who have accepted me right now know how many acceptances I have- they can account for it. And I'm not expecting a scholarship so much as wanting to see what my financial aid offer is. If my least favorite school of my acceptances offered me a good amount of money, I would go there. It wouldn't be nice if I was holding on to acceptances I would never take

Paying off a larger loan + the associated interest than I need to is as least as stressful as someone having to wait an extra month to be accepted
 
Half tuition without a second thought
 
Schools who have accepted me right now know how many acceptances I have- they can account for it. And I'm not expecting a scholarship so much as wanting to see what my financial aid offer is. If my least favorite school of my acceptances offered me a good amount of money, I would go there. It wouldn't be nice if I was holding on to acceptances I would never take

Paying off a larger loan + the associated interest than I need to is as least as stressful as someone having to wait an extra month to be accepted
What do you mean they know how many acceptances you have? Is the multiple acceptance report out already? Somewhere gyngyn said 9 days.
 
What do you mean they know how many acceptances you have? Is the multiple acceptance report out already? Somewhere gyngyn said 9 days.
Oh, I saw on some thread that an adcom (mistered?) said the report goes out around the first, but it could be in 9 days. Regardless, they will know soon enough
 
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