How many ER residencies should I apply to?

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I am a D.O. student applying to strictly M.D. ER residencies mainly on the east coast, with a few farther west. I have good grades and board scores but I have no idea how many programs I should apply to. One girl in my class is applying to 30 and that just seems silly to me, but then again I am pretty ignorant on what to do. Any advice is welcome.
 
I would ask this question in the residency section of this board youll get more answers. Its been asked before though so I'd also try doing a search. 30 doesnt sound too bad, though better safe than sorry.


P.S. nice name
 
I've said it before, but I'll say it again, because I'm an outlier...

Good GPA and board scores
Applied 26
Interviewed 7
Scrambled
 
I applied to 40+ programs as a DO student...
Here are my stats. Interpret to your heart's content

GPA ~ top 18th %ile
COMLEX 1: 97%
Great LOR from community ED doc
Great LOR from community Trauma Surgeon (Sess... S. Epstein)
Two blah letters from who cares
Worked as a medmal defense paralegal throughout medical school.

Applied 40+ (probably 42-43)
Accepted interviews at ~20
Interviewed ~ 9-10
 
If I remember correctly, my stats were not quite those of Master Quinn, but similar (top 20-30%), DO applying to ACGME programs, and I applied to 25 at first and then added 5 more, obtaining a total of 12 interviews.

1. I think that DOs are continuously becoming more accepted 'an respected, but EM continues to be a competitive field.
2. It is easier to decline invitations than to beg for them later. (from experience)
3. The cost of additional applications is minimal in the context of a lifetime, and a heck of a lot cheaper than re-applying next year!

Sooo....swallow your pride and your credit card bill and apply to one more program than your classmate. Then we'll see who the silly one is!



Ahhh...sweet, sweet peds anesthesia. Almost forgetting I am in residency.
 
Here's what I think would be some reasonable guidelines for the number of EM programs one should apply to:

Pluses:

A strong interest in EM
(Obviously if you don?t have this, you?ll have problems no matter how good everything else is)

Strong clinical grades
Strong board scores
AOA
Strong recommendations from EM residency faculty
Strong EM clerkship grades (best if done at the program(s) you want)
Published or presented research (the university-based programs tend to favor it).

Minuses:

Failed boards
Failed a rotation

If you have ALL pluses, you're pretty exceptional, and can probably apply to a minimum number of residencies (say as few as 5-10), in order to get enough interviews and still match.

If you have at least two of the above 5 pluses, with no minuses, you can probably count on a sufficient number of interviews by applying to 10-30 programs, depending of course on how selective they are.

If you are somewhere in the middle (one or two of the pluses with or without any minuses), you will probably need to cast your net a little wider than 30 programs, say 30-50.

If you have minuses, and don?t have many (if any) of the above pluses, you will want to at least consider applying to close to all 124 programs out there, concentrating on the less selective ones. You will obviously spend some money doing this.

Keep in mind that this is only from the perspective of trying to obtain interviews. Once you get an interview, the playing field is more level between you and the other applicants. While many residency program directors would like to have someone with strong academics and clinical acumen, they probably don?t want to have to deal with a prospective resident who will be high maintenance, who doesn?t get along well with others, or who will just be a pain to deal with, no matter how good they are on paper.

Note: I did not include factors such as being a DO student or FMG, as I would be interested in what those who have gone this route (e.g. Quinn, Apolyon) would have to say about it. The above points are only my own thoughts, and I would welcome any input from others.
 
as yet another DO matched into an acgme program....

1. You can always turn down interviews. Others might think you are overapplying...but who cares? Do the people who think you are making a mistake by overapplying really want you to succeed? Apply widely - the opportunity is worth the money.

2. I found being a DO to be a very slight disadvantage, and not everywhere I interviewed. It DID come up in quite a few interviews, but sometimes it seemed more like the interviewer was looking for a button to push more than really concerned about where I went to school. I would say it is sort of a relative handicap, in that the top DO students with great letters, great apps, great interview etc are probably on a level playing field with other great applicants. DO school seems to become a negative when your application is in the slightly above average - average - slightly below average category. In general though, seemed like people cared a lot more about what I did in school and what I was like in person than where I came from.
 
After all the money you've spent on your education up to this point (including lost wages for the years in med school when you could have been working in another field, contributing to your 401k already)...applying to tons of programs is a relatively small investment in exchange for matching somewhere you are happy at.

Don't cut corners at this point. You've invested so much already, don't exchange your whole future for a couple hundred bucks savings in application costs.
 
cowbydoc said:
I am a D.O. student applying to strictly M.D. ER residencies mainly on the east coast, with a few farther west. I have good grades and board scores but I have no idea how many programs I should apply to. One girl in my class is applying to 30 and that just seems silly to me, but then again I am pretty ignorant on what to do. Any advice is welcome.

I agree that overapplying is OK--just to make sure you get enough interviews. You can always cancel (with ample notice, of course). Going to over 10-12 interviews may really burn you out, and a big majority of people match in their top 8 (forget the stats). Once you get to the interview stage, the DO "disadvantage" is pretty much gone--they just want to know they'd like to work with you. My 2 cents.
 
Maybe its the sixpack that I've consumed, but I can tell you from personal experience that Hopkins or UVA will not even bother to contact you if you apply to them. Save two spots for two other programs. It wasn't just me, but also a DO student i know who scored in the top %age on the USMLE and who had a crap load of interviews more than I did.

No offense Niner, you know I gots nothing but love for ya.

Q
 
Same with UCSD - they sent me an email (before applying) stating that they had never interviewed a DO. That was 3-4 years ago, but...
 
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