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No I am not a Pharm. student but I was curious as to how many exams or courses (if any) you have failed in pharmacy school. Also, if you fail a course, can you retake that course in the summer perhaps?


Like I said, I am just curious.😉
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delano2000 said:
No I am not a Pharm. student but I was curious as to how many exams or courses (if any) you have failed in pharmacy school. Also, if you fail a course, can you retake that course in the summer perhaps?


Like I said, I am just curious.😉
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Failed = zero courses, zero exams

If you fail a course you generally cannot retake it over the summer. Most courses are only offered once per year. That means if you fail, then you are likely going to be set back a year from graduating depending on what class you fail. Most courses are taken in sequence and completion of one course is a pre-req for the next. In short, don't screw around so bad that you start failing exams and courses...it gets really expensive in the end.
 
delano2000 said:
No I am not a Pharm. student but I was curious as to how many exams or courses (if any) you have failed in pharmacy school. Also, if you fail a course, can you retake that course in the summer perhaps?


Like I said, I am just curious.😉
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no exams/courses

you have to wait a whole year to retake a class. i don't suggest goofing off in pharm school
 
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I have failed one exam in pharmacy school. It was a comprehensive final, and I needed 10 questions out of 60 to get an A in the class. I also had 2 other tests that week, so needless to say I didn't study. I got my A though.

Also, at OU, you are allowed to take a class over the summer. They have stict rules about it though, and they are usually essay based classes. Therefore, I would try not to fail, because you will end up repeating a year.
 
Pharmacy school only requires a moderate effort to achieve C's. It is indeed a lot of work to maintain A's, but generally, if you got into pharmacy school, you shouldnt worry about being able to pass successfully.
 
Sparda29 said:
2 exams failed, most of my exam scores are in the high 60s low 70s, right in the middle of that bell curve.
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That is somehow not surprising.

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delano2000 said:
No I am not a Pharm. student but I was curious as to how many exams or courses (if any) you have failed in pharmacy school. Also, if you fail a course, can you retake that course in the summer perhaps?


Like I said, I am just curious.😉
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At FAMU, it depends on which class you fail. They may offer it in the summer.

As for myself, I haven't failed any courses. Haven't even really scored under an A on a test as of yet....Wait, i got an 88 on a biochemistry test. That's all I can remember. Who's keeping count, Cs get degrees, right? lol :laugh:
 
Old Timer said:
That is somehow not surprising.

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Start at the 7 minute mark. This is something you need to learn. Grow up or you will be just wasted talent.
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2 Exams failed in 1 year isn't that bad. Not like I bombed them with 20s. You can't expect to go through pharmacy school without failing a few exams. My first 2-3 months of pharmacy school, I used to get really worried about not acing the exams (I used to be a nerd my entire life and anything less than a 90% would be failure, I decided not to worry about that anymore).

Besides, the exams that I did fail, I went back to my professors, talked to them about it, and took the same exam without it counting for anything at the end of the semester, that time I aced it.

Personally, I'm not going to be able to pick up the information at the pace that they are giving it out. Hence, when the first exam rolls around I'm probably going to be in the 60s and 70s.

If you ask me questions from the same module 2 months after the exam, I'm going to know my stuff since I go back and look at the material after the exam. And I usually ace the cumulative final.

Mind you, these are the classes I study my ass off for (Therapeutics/Physiology). The classes that I slack off in, Pharmaceutics, Ethics, Public Health, Law, I ace without studying.
 
Am scared about all the terms you have to learn and remember . In Pharm Sch do they give you multiple choice questions or essay questions or filling in the blanket ( which i hate the most ). ... Which is which....

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keyy200tx said:
Am scared about all the terms you have to learn and remember . In Pharm Sch do they give you multiple choice questions or essay questions or filling in the blanket ( which i hate the most ). ... Which is which....

Please Help me out...
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does it really matter? you need to know it well enough to not **** up someones life later in your career.


i have not failed a single exam yet.
 
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keyy200tx said:
Am scared about all the terms you have to learn and remember . In Pharm Sch do they give you multiple choice questions or essay questions or filling in the blanket ( which i hate the most ). ... Which is which....

Please Help me out...
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Everything you can think of. Especially fill in the blanket multiple choice essays.
 
Failed o-chem my 2nd year as an undergrad (6 years ago? hmmm)....I actually fell asleep during the final because I didn't know what was going on. I had mistakenly applied the same amount of time studying for gchem (almost none, got A's and B's) to ochem and got creamed.

Retook the following semester and got an A.

I wonder how many times I've told this story...haha. If I hadn't drank/partied/chased tail so much in undergrad, I'd be getting my MD on at UCSF or something equally impressive. But then again....I wouldn't be so interesting.
 
I consider a grade of C equaling failure, and I have never failed an exam or course.
 
from what i've heard and seen, most people would make B's in classes like pharmaceutics and B's or C's in biological/cellular chemistry, and get B's in physiology and A's in pharmaceutical calculations.

from my experience so far as a P1, you have to be kinda far behind to fail an exam.
 
crazybob said:
from what i've heard and seen, most people would make B's in classes like pharmaceutics and B's or C's in biological/cellular chemistry, and get B's in physiology and A's in pharmaceutical calculations.

from my experience so far as a P1, you have to be kinda far behind to fail an exam.
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Or if you just don't know the strategy in answering K-type questions.
 
None failed, generally on one side or the other of the average within a few points. Managed academic probation for a semester, but when <3.0 = AP it's hard to feel terrible about. I had a 2.97. Now up to ~3.2
 
I don't recall how many I've failed...but I failed more than a few. I'd just get an A on some arbitrary test later on in the semester if need be. Pharmacy school is for learning concepts...and the concepts aren't that hard. Getting anything more than a C is a waste of your time, with the exception of the occasional B to keep the GPA above the minimum 2.5. Unless you are the type that is easily pleased by a specific letter appearing after your name. Which I don't get. But to each their own. Pharmacy tends to attract a lot of douchebags that like the letter A. I did accidentally "fail" a class even though my grade for the course was like 78% or so with 70% being a "C". I forgot to retake a test I failed and the anal professors made me retake it...the next semester. God damn academics have nothing better to do than push the idea that I might actually learn something from them to the extreme of making sure I am able to answer 2 more questions on a 40 question multiple choice test about a subject I don't really care about.

I think the highest GPA I ever got in my life was like 3.2...with the exception of my last year of prepharmacy when I got a 3.85 because I needed the GPA boost to get into pharmacy school. If I ever got straight As, I probably would have been greatly depressed for wasting part of my life on something that pretty much doesn't matter when I could have been doing something or someone more fun.
 
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WVUPharm2007 said:
I don't recall how many I've failed...but I failed more than a few. I'd just get an A on some arbitrary test later on in the semester if need be. Pharmacy school is for learning concepts...and the concepts aren't that hard. Getting anything more C is a waste of your time, with the exception of the occasional B to keep the GPA above the minimum 2.5. Unless you are the type that is easily pleased by a specific letter appearing after your name. Which I don't get. But to each their own. Pharmacy tends to attract a lot of douchebags that like the letter A. I did accidentally "fail" a class even though my grade for the course was like 78% or so with 70% being a "C". I forgot to retake a test I failed and the anal professors made me retake it...the next semester. God damn academics have nothing better to do than push the idea that I might actually learn something from them to the extreme of making sure I am able to answer 2 more questions on a 40 question multiple choice test about a subject I don't really care about.

I think the highest GPA I ever got in my like was like 3.2...with the exception of my last year of prepharmacy when I got a 3.85 because I needed the GPA boost to get into pharmacy school. If I ever got straight As, I probably would have been greatly depressed for wasting part of my life on something that pretty much doesn't matter when I could have been doing something or someone more fun.
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He's got the right idea ^

yeah. the more time you spend playing into academic bull****, the more time you are wasting.

Learn what you need to learn for the boards, get out in the real world and impress people, and move on from there.

And to those people in residency who will inevitably look down on this philosophy -- tests and grades are not all they're cracked up to be as indicators of how good of a pharmacist you're going to be.

Of course.. they are good indicators of how far you're willing to bend over.
 
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WVUPharm2007 said:
I don't recall how many I've failed...but I failed more than a few. I'd just get an A on some arbitrary test later on in the semester if need be. Pharmacy school is for learning concepts...and the concepts aren't that hard. Getting anything more C is a waste of your time, with the exception of the occasional B to keep the GPA above the minimum 2.5. Unless you are the type that is easily pleased by a specific letter appearing after your name. Which I don't get. But to each their own. Pharmacy tends to attract a lot of douchebags that like the letter A. I did accidentally "fail" a class even though my grade for the course was like 78% or so with 70% being a "C". I forgot to retake a test I failed and the anal professors made me retake it...the next semester. God damn academics have nothing better to do than push the idea that I might actually learn something from them to the extreme of making sure I am able to answer 2 more questions on a 40 question multiple choice test about a subject I don't really care about.

I think the highest GPA I ever got in my like was like 3.2...with the exception of my last year of prepharmacy when I got a 3.85 because I needed the GPA boost to get into pharmacy school. If I ever got straight As, I probably would have been greatly depressed for wasting part of my life on something that pretty much doesn't matter when I could have been doing something or someone more fun.
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But some pharmacy schools offer merit scholarships for keeping your GPA at a certain level. For example at my school we get 6k for a 3.75+ and 8k for a 4.0 GPA. I was given 6k scholarship for having a 3.9 in undergrad. Thats free money for just keeping up with your grades! (I know you like to save money thats why I am telling you this 😉)

Chances are I will just get an MBA, but if I was to do a residency I will have to keep my GPA as high as possible to get in. SO there are TWO good reasons to keep up with your grades! 👍
 
SHC1984 said:
But some pharmacy schools offer merit scholarships for keeping your GPA at a certain level. For example at my school we get 6k for a 3.75+ and 8k for a 4.0 GPA. I was given 6k scholarship for having a 3.9 in undergrad. Thats free money for just keeping up with your grades! (I know you like to save money thats why I am telling you this 😉)

Chances are I will just get an MBA, but if I was to do a residency I will have to keep my GPA as high as possible to get in. SO there are TWO good reasons to keep up with your grades! 👍
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There are unfilled residencies. You don't need grades to get into one. And I worked 20-25 hours a week in pharm school...I'll just take the $15k in income.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
There are unfilled residencies. You don't need grades to get into one. And I worked 20-25 hours a week in pharm school...I'll just take the $15k in income.
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So you rather work 20-25 hours a week and make 15k a year than to NOT work at all and just study/get a 4.0/get a 8k merit scholarship? Not working sounds like better plan. 😉
 
SHC1984 said:
So you rather work 20-25 hours a week and make 15k a year than to NOT work at all and just study/get a 4.0/get a 8k merit scholarship? Not working sounds like better plan. 😉
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I don't know about you, but in the state of New York, you need to have 1040 intern hours before you can take the exams to become licensed. I'd rather get some of that done early so that I could work as a fully licensed pharmacist soon after graduation.
 
naseuy said:
I don't know about you, but in the state of New York, you need to have 1040 intern hours before you can take the exams to become licensed. I'd rather get some of that done early so that I could work as a fully licensed pharmacist soon after graduation.
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Luckily its only 500 intern hours for my state. I will do that over the summer. I don't like working while I am in school. I had intern position, but I quit when school started.
 
SHC1984 said:
So you rather work 20-25 hours a week and make 15k a year than to NOT work at all and just study/get a 4.0/get a 8k merit scholarship? Not working sounds like better plan. 😉
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Yes. I would. That's a hilljack thing though...you wouldn't understand.

Not to mention the fact that $8,000 isn't enough to pay $700/month in overpriced rent I had to pay back then...plus food...prescription for Advair...insurance...electric....gas...etc...not to mention the scholarships at WVU were ****ty...the biggest one was like $1500...most were $500...
 
SHC1984 said:
Luckily its only 500 intern hours for my state. I will do that over the summer. I don't like working while I am in school. I had intern position, but I quit when school started.
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Only 500 hours? That's crazy. We have to have at least 1500 hours in Idaho to sit the boards and in Oregon it's 2000. There really ought to be more standardized licensing requirements.
 
Moxxie said:
Only 500 hours? That's crazy. We have to have at least 1500 hours in Idaho to sit the boards and in Oregon it's 2000. There really ought to be more standardized licensing requirements.
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I believe IL has zero outside of rotations, Virginia has something ~300?

I don't see the point of so many intern hours...most people wrap them up in retail, once you've spent a week in there (40hrs), you'll have learned just about everything you need to know in that.

I know you're including P-4/rotation hours in there, but still...the remaining has to be done outside of school, it's entirely too much. I'm planning on skirting the intern hour requirement and working in a state with really low hour requirements and reciprocating back into a state with high intern hour requirements.
 
confettiflyer said:
I believe IL has zero outside of rotations, Virginia has something ~300?

I don't see the point of so many intern hours...most people wrap them up in retail, once you've spent a week in there (40hrs), you'll have learned just about everything you need to know in that.

I know you're including P-4/rotation hours in there, but still...the remaining has to be done outside of school, it's entirely too much. I'm planning on skirting the intern hour requirement and working in a state with really low hour requirements and reciprocating back into a state with high intern hour requirements.
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Oh, I agree for the most part - we're able to get the 1500 hours from P4 rotations. I've known about the requirements in Oregon since my P1 year, so I've been reporting most of my hours spent working so that I'll be prepared. It just seems that there really should be something more standard among states. I personally know several people who graduated in one state and went to work in another and had to work at a grad intern wage (typically 1/2 - 2/3 of an rph's wage) until they accrued enough hours to sit their new state's boards.

I've also heard that some states have a practicum component to be licensed instead of just taking a law exam - is this still true?
 
Moxxie said:
Oh, I agree for the most part - we're able to get the 1500 hours from P4 rotations. I've known about the requirements in Oregon since my P1 year, so I've been reporting most of my hours spent working so that I'll be prepared. It just seems that there really should be something more standard among states. I personally know several people who graduated in one state and went to work in another and had to work at a grad intern wage (typically 1/2 - 2/3 of an rph's wage) until they accrued enough hours to sit their new state's boards.

I've also heard that some states have a practicum component to be licensed instead of just taking a law exam - is this still true?
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Yeah I would then count Idaho as a "zero hour state" in my book since you can technically get by with just your P-4 hours. I get about 1500 through my school, but CA only takes 600 or 900 (i forget which) and the rest have to be done outside of school.

Total bunk, but whatever...I just don't want to get caught in your friend's situation with being licensed in one state but forced into grad intern pay until a license is achieved in the new state. For the high hour requirement states (ie CA), I'll get the license first and look for a job after that.

Hmm I should add Idaho to my list...think a douchebag like me can survive out there for a year? :meanie:
 
Moxxie said:
Only 500 hours? That's crazy. We have to have at least 1500 hours in Idaho to sit the boards and in Oregon it's 2000. There really ought to be more standardized licensing requirements.
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Yeah its only 500 internship hours and 1000 externship hours. The 1000 externship hours are assigned by the pharmacy school, so we have no choice in the matter. The 500 internship hours can only be done DURING BREAKS. So even if I work now it doesn't count against the 500 hours...I can only do them during summer and christmas breaks pretty much.


And Florida does NOT require any hours! now thats lucky!! IPPE is the biggest waste of time!!! 👎 I should have apply to pharmacy school in Florida so I don't have to work at all during school. :laugh:
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Yes. I would. That's a hilljack thing though...you wouldn't understand.

Not to mention the fact that $8,000 isn't enough to pay $700/month in overpriced rent I had to pay back then...plus food...prescription for Advair...insurance...electric....gas...etc...not to mention the scholarships at WVU were ****ty...the biggest one was like $1500...most were $500...
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I don't see how anyone can work that many hours a week during pharm school. But its great that you can do it! 👍 I think those stupid IPPE is more than enough work. I rather sit in class and take exams than do IPPE anyday. :laugh:
 
SHC1984 said:
I don't see how anyone can work that many hours a week during pharm school. But its great that you can do it! 👍 I think those stupid IPPE is more than enough work. I rather sit in class and take exams than do IPPE anyday. :laugh:
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We didn't have IPPEs back in the day when I went. Some weeks I worked 40 hours if I didn't have a test to cram for.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
We didn't have IPPEs back in the day when I went. Some weeks I worked 40 hours if I didn't have a test to cram for.
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Thats crazy. 😱 Your life must be very stressful...should have just taken out an extra loan and stay at home! :laugh:
 
SHC1984 said:
And Florida does NOT require any hours! now thats lucky!! IPPE is the biggest waste of time!!! 👎 I should have apply to pharmacy school in Florida so I don't have to work at all during school. :laugh:
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nah, just apply for licensure in a state that doesn't require intern hours, doesn't matter what school you go to. FL is on my short list as well
 
confettiflyer said:
nah, just apply for licensure in a state that doesn't require intern hours, doesn't matter what school you go to. FL is on my short list as well
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Thats good to know. FL and CA are on my list. I am in love with those two states! :laugh: How many hours does CA require? Hopfully none.
 
SHC1984 said:
Thats good to know. FL and CA are on my list. I am in love with those two states! :laugh: How many hours does CA require? Hopfully none.
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pssh...tons, either 600 or 900 outside of school. Bah, I hope this requirement is changed soon. Do what jachen84 is doing and work on CA licensure after you've already worked a year in a state that doesn't need hours (NJ, IL, FL, etc...)
 
confettiflyer said:
pssh...tons, either 600 or 900 outside of school. Bah, I hope this requirement is changed soon. Do what jachen84 is doing and work on CA licensure after you've already worked a year in a state that doesn't need hours (NJ, IL, FL, etc...)
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Sounds like a good plan. Work in FL first than move to CA. Best of both worlds. 👍 Is that what you are going to do too?
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
Not really. I never went to class...except for tests...
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tsk...tsk...But I know you are very smart...if you apply yourself half as much as me I am sure you will get a 4.0, you remind me of my friend in undergrad. She goes to all her classes but never studies and graduated with a 3.7 GPA. I graduate with a 3.9, but I studied everyday (even weekends sometimes, but usually just monday-fridays!). She puts .000000000000001% of the effort I put into my work and her grades are pretty much just as good as mine! I wish I can be smart like that...I don't see how you people can pull that off. If I never went to my classes I will proberly pull a F+ at best! :laugh:
 
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SHC1984 said:
tsk...tsk...But I know you are very smart...if you apply yourself half as much as me I am sure you will get a 4.0, you remind me of my friend in undergrad. She goes to all her classes but never studies and graduated with a 3.7 GPA. I graduate with a 3.9, but I studied everyday (even weekends sometimes, but usually just monday-fridays!). She puts .000000000000001% of the effort I put into my work and her grades are pretty much just as good as mine! I wish I can be smart like that...I don't see how you people can pull that off. If I never went to my classes I will proberly pull a F+ at best! :laugh:
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Anybody can get a 2.9-something GPA (I think that's what I graduated with...) in pharmacy school. Getting As takes effort. Passing is seriously pretty easy. It takes almost no effort. Just read the notes a few times and right there is a C...hell. Each letter grade requires an exponentially higher amount of studying. You just need to find that sweet spot where you get the concepts and can pass the test without wasting time on details that are usually irrelevant...
 
confettiflyer said:
pssh...tons, either 600 or 900 outside of school. Bah, I hope this requirement is changed soon. Do what jachen84 is doing and work on CA licensure after you've already worked a year in a state that doesn't need hours (NJ, IL, FL, etc...)
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The thing is that not only i went to school in NJ but also I've been living there for so long, I mean for those of you who are going to school in another state from where you were originally from, your situation may be different for when you graduate, if i were you i'd just get licensed in whatever state i get a job at and work from there.

For CA and as well as some other states, if you don't want to satisfy their internship hours requirement you can just apply for reciprocity after 1 year of licensure in another state

Oh yeah, if any of you wish to seek CA licensure, make sure to know your clinical stuff, their "law exam" CPJE is pretty much a harder version of the naplex with maybe a few questions actually pertaining to law. (Pass rate for CA graduates is a little over 80%, out of state grads 73% and foreign grads about 64%)

I have a checklist of states that I went to seek licensure from and am currently in the process of trying to obtain them one by one (but its so expensive), hopefully I can get this accomplished in the next 1 or 2 years
 
Just bombed the last Therapeutics exam. Oddly enough, I got the dosing questions and indication questions and whatnot correct, and I got all of the med chem questions wrong.

Holy ****, how do you guys study for med chem? Just memorize all the structures?
 
Sparda29 said:
Just bombed the last Therapeutics exam. Oddly enough, I got the dosing questions and indication questions and whatnot correct, and I got all of the med chem questions wrong.

Holy ****, how do you guys study for med chem? Just memorize all the structures?
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Med Chem was one of the classes I always got As in. I had all of the nerdy clinical pharmacy lover types running to me for help all semester. It was actually interesting. Personally, I made flash cards. Memorized all of the structures...not too bad once you get into the groove.
 
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