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Just wondering what each schools' drop out/fail out rates are?

Do you typically lose a lot of students or do most make it through your programs?

Just wanting to compare the schools throughout the US as I have heard some class lose as much as 20% by the time they reach clinicals (2nd-3rd year depending on school).

Thanks for the info!
 
We've lost 6 so far. But we've gained 2. We had a tough first semester first year where we lost 4 (all but one came back to vet school). Our last semester (3rd year 1st semester), we lost 2, but they were related to medical issues, not course material. Since we start clinics in 2 and a half months, I'm hoping we won't have opportunity to lose more. We started with 70, fyi, and are currently at 66 class members
 
I think we started off with about 110-120 students, we now have 80 something starting 4th year. Some of those students went part-time (only really allowed once you actually get into vet, can't apply for part-time) and some dropped out completely to go do other degrees.
 
Out of 94 we have lost 4 from our class. One is currently in the class below us, one was repeating first year a 2nd time and didn't make it, one dropped/failed out the first year and the other dropped/failed out second year.
Not too bad. We are very supportive of each other and really try to help out those who are struggling. So do our professors.
 
My lab partners and I were just trying to figure this out the other day, and we came up with after three semesters (out of 108 that started)-

5 have left of their own choice (didn't like it, realized vet med wasn't for them, wanted to pursue a masters or phd instead, etc)
1 either left or was asked to leave after violating the academic honesty policy (cheating)
11 got below a C in a course or took medical leave for a semester and were recycled back into the class of 2013

But, with students recycled back into our class from the class of 2011 and transfer students (mostly from the islands), we're at 111 people right now I think.

So not as many people actually leave the school completely, but it may take them 5 (or more) years to finish the program
 
Our class started with 102 and we are now at 99. We lost 4 who then repeated (or are repeating) a year, another 3-4 who completely failed out -- usually after dropping back from the year above -- and one who left to play professional sports. We then picked up several over the years from the year ahead of us.

The fourth year class has lost a fair number of people though, both because of academic failure and for personal reasons. I'm not sure why. The third year class is more like the fifth years.
 
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We lost 2 to med issues right at the beginning (both replaced), then 1 for homesickness. then a recycled student from previous class (pregnancy) dropped out of our class. 2 recycled to the next year due to grades, and 1 deferred mid year till next year due to death of spouse/SO (not sure which he was.) this isn't at all typical for our school, though. and I think everyone has had a fair shot and lots of support.
 
We started out with 81 and are down 7 students - mostly due to family emergencies or health issues. I think 4 are planning on re-doing with the next class.

Our class has been cursed, though - we're almost up to the record (9 in 4 years) after our first semester, we've had multiple family deaths, a few hospitalizations, a serious broken leg (hit by a car), and mono went through the class...
 
Our class has been cursed, though - we're almost up to the record (9 in 4 years) after our first semester, we've had multiple family deaths, a few hospitalizations, a serious broken leg (hit by a car), and mono went through the class...

It's a rough year here too. Same sorts of things; family deaths, a student wrecked a scooter and had to have surgery on both am, H1N1 went through all over first semester, leukemia, etc.
 
We lost 4 first semester 1st year. 3 second semester 1st year. Gained about 7 from SGU and 2 from the year before who failed out and recycled into our class. 1 SGU person left in the middle of 1st semester 2nd year for medical reasons.

Besides the 1 medical leave person, all the others have been fail-outs. 2 of those were already on their 2nd try and never made it past their first semester 1st year both tries (don't get me started on why they were allowed to come back in the first place).

After the first semester of 2nd year, no one failed out! Now in my second semester of 2nd year and so far so good!
 
We lost 4 first semester 1st year. 3 second semester 1st year. Gained about 7 from SGU and 2 from the year before who failed out and recycled into our class. 1 SGU person left in the middle of 1st semester 2nd year for medical reasons.

Besides the 1 medical leave person, all the others have been fail-outs. 2 of those were already on their 2nd try and never made it past their first semester 1st year both tries (don't get me started on why they were allowed to come back in the first place).

After the first semester of 2nd year, no one failed out! Now in my second semester of 2nd year and so far so good!


That actually doesn't tell us much unless we know what school you go to...


edit--thanks for adding sharing the school!
 
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It's a rough year here too. Same sorts of things; family deaths, a student wrecked a scooter and had to have surgery on both am, H1N1 went through all over first semester, leukemia, etc.

I think I'd better wear an N95 respirator for vet school. Joking, but I've had the flu twice in the last year -- 2008-9 regular, and H1N1, with secondary pneumonia from the first flu. :scared:
 
I think I'd better wear an N95 respirator for vet school. Joking, but I've had the flu twice in the last year -- 2008-9 regular, and H1N1, with secondary pneumonia from the first flu. :scared:

I normally don't get flu shots, but I certainly did this year!

I also think the economy is affecting students too; I think fewer parents can afford to help out as much, getting jobs that work with schedules in harder, etc. Even students not affected directly (my husband had his pay reduced + no bonus in a profit record breaking year) are feeling the general stress (fewer people going on service trips, etc.)
 
Do any of you current students have advice for us in the class of 2014 on how to not become one of the people who don't make it through? I'm sure some things can be inevitable (family issues, health problems, etc.), but how do you suggest avoiding being overwhelmed or falling behind? I feel like vet school is one of those things that you have to experience to understand, but I'd like to go in with some idea of what the tough parts will be like. Is there anything you wish you had known before beginning?
 
Like Willowhand, I'd also like to hear any advice you guys have for us 2014'ers. More specifically, I was wondering how you stay focused for the 8+ hours you are in school? I definitely start spacing out at the 2 hr mark so this will be a challenge.
 
get organized before hand. IE have binders, notebooks, pens, paper, etc and have your study area set up. Especially if orientation run straight into classes.

Prepare some meals that you can freeze, store, and reheat easily and have those ready before orientation. That can help a ton on the nights when you have nothing in the place to eat and you really don't have time to go out and get something or money to order in. I also keep stocks of convenience food around (minute rice in a cup, soup, microwavable frozen meals/veggies, etc.)

Sometimes it is the little things that can cause you to flounder; getting behind in bills because you have an insane week or two and just forget the date.

If you routinely need something like prescriptions, dry cleaning, delivery, photocopying, shipping, etc, track those places down before you start. Again, life's details can just create unnecessary frustration.

Accept that what worked for you in undergrad may not work for you in vet school, and be willing to adapt. Try to stay with the class; ask students from the previous class what is most important in which class; some the reading may be critical, others doing anything other than listening and taking notes in class is pointless, and in others, the powerpoints are essential.

Make sure you KNOW the academic policy. You don't want to come in front of a review because your school requires a C average and you have a C- average. Keep track of your grades. You might be able to track on the schools' computer system, or you may not, or it may be mixed. You don't want to be suprised by being a half point off of a passing grade.

Get help sooner than later if you have any question about how you are dealing with a class. There may be alternative strategies that you can try. I found a site about learning anatomy that said there tend to be 3 ways people learn it..and I realized I had tried 2 and had just gotten to the third before I felt comfortable.

Try to schedule some exercise/fitness activities in from the beginning, and try to keep some balance; it will help, even when it doesn't seem like it.

oh, and spend more time on the stuff htat is toughest for you...it is easy to focus on the stuff you like and let the other stuff get buried.

Something I do is I buy a large dry erase, year long calendar. At-A-Glance makes an academic year one (july-june) and I mark all exams, projects, events, etc on that at the beginning of the semester. It has saved me a number of times, because it is on my living room wall and it keeps me very aware of exams and such that are coming up, especially when a week is divided by two months...people will forget that Thursday and Friday will be on NEXT months' calendar!
 
I found a site about learning anatomy that said there tend to be 3 ways people learn it..and I realized I had tried 2 and had just gotten to the third before I felt comfortable.

Share the wealth!! If I get in and start this year I anticipate anatomy to be my biggest headache...
 
We've lost 1 so far (like after the 2nd test) Honestly she wasn't right for Vet school to begin with, was rude to her classmates, and struggled through everything, and made even her lab partners hate going to lab cause they had to work with her (well at least one of her lab partners I can quite speak for the other).

As for preparing - work hard, if you don't get something ask a classmate, be nice to your classmates, know your weaknesses and strength, know how you study well, how you don't study well and if its not getting through your head try something new. At least at Davis our professors are open to help you just about whenever. Vet school isn't impossible nothing is unpassable, it just demanding in the sense of time requirements

You can't cram for stuff, you WANT to retain all this, trust me going into winter quarter finals hasn't been bad since I put in the quality studying in my other classes that now kinda overlap what we are going through now.
 
Whoa SS, you've got it down to an art! Helpful as always. 🙂

GQ'd, I agree that we should retain the information we learn. I'm so used to "memory dumping" after a test though. :scared: I think (I hope) you revisit a lot of the same concepts in vet school, so hopefully that should solidify it in my brain.
 
Most of the people we lost had extenuating circumstances (family illnesses, personal illnesses, etc.) - we've just had a really unlucky class.

As for the things you CAN prevent - best piece of advice I can give is to hit the ground running, study more than you think you need to for your first exams, and then once you know where you're at with that level, BACK OFF. The worst issue has been burnout for people. It's seriously OK to not be a straight A student. Vet school is about so much more than just the classes, and while you need to do well in them, studying shouldn't be your entire life. Get to know classmates, have friends outside of school, and be sure to make time for doing what you need to do to make you happy and sane (whether that's riding, watching those TV shows, etc.)
 
I believe that we lost 8 in blocks 1 and 2, and we just finished up block 3 two weeks ago, in which we lost 3, so we've lost 11 total of the original 117. Unfortunately, most of the losses were due to grades, while there were a few very extenuating circumstances with illness, an honor code issue, and a pregnancy.

As for avoiding all of this, I agree with the advice above about hitting the ground running and being honest with yourself about your weaknesses. It's alright if you don't get something the first or the second time around. Reach out for help when you know you need it and I'm sure that you'll find that everyone, professors and classmates included, will help you in any way they can until you do understand it. Also, know your priorities. Don't let your school life depend on other people keeping you happy (with regard to lost students in my class, many cases of suffering grades stemmed from issues with spouses/loved ones/etc.), but also don't let school become your whole life. Know when to take a break and know when to hit things hard, and then actually do it. Keep your life organized. Set up reminders for bills and due dates to save precious brain space (it helps more than you might think). Just be aware of yourself and your needs with regard to both school and normal life, and attend to it. It's when that gets out of balance that issues arise. It'll take some trial and error and a bit more effort than you can give some days, but it's worth it in the end.
 
We started off with 120 people here at Illinois...we're down to 118. One will be returning next year and the other is joining the Peace Corps. We have 4 students who had joined us from last year (3 had failed, 1 took a medical leave). Overall it's normal for us to have a few people return each year. Hopefully no one else leaves our class, for whatever reason! We try to stick together. But those who came back from last year...they are one of us! There is NO shame in making mistakes...I thought there would be, but honestly it takes guts to pick yourself up and keep going after struggling in order to achieve your dream. 🙂

I think...like everyone said...it's important to get help early on. DO NOT stay in "summer/winter vacation" mode. Start studying right away, but don't get burnt out. Just don't fall behind. You will to a degree, because you just can't study everything. But at least don't cram the night before your exam. Try to not just go through your notes only once. Ask questions, go to review sessions, see your professor, and study with others! It is important to study by yourself, but every once in a while study with others to ask each other questions, etc. It WILL help.
 
Do any of you current students have advice for us in the class of 2014 on how to not become one of the people who don't make it through? I'm sure some things can be inevitable (family issues, health problems, etc.), but how do you suggest avoiding being overwhelmed or falling behind? I feel like vet school is one of those things that you have to experience to understand, but I'd like to go in with some idea of what the tough parts will be like. Is there anything you wish you had known before beginning?

ASK FOR HELP! Veterinary schools don't like losing people. If you are struggling, ask for help.

CSU offers a free personal tutor to anyone who fails an exam, usually it is an upperclassman. I don't know how many other schools do this but I suspect most schools have some type of academic assistance program set up.
 
We started with 110 and now we're down to 80 ...I'm in 4th year
 
Wow, that seems like a lot of people. Which vet school?
 
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We started with 63 and lost 2, both are coming back for c/o 2014 though. Hopefully we won't lose anymore after exams, it's hard when you have a really small class like ours, you get to know everyone fairly well.
 
We started with 70 first year and now at the end of third year we have 59. That includes people we have gained. So I am not totally sure of how many original classmates we have lost. I pray we don't lose anymore after this last set of exams. It is now the end of our book work (we are in class and clinics right now) and we have only clinics starting this summer.

There were various reasons for all of the people we lost. Some have come back and are now in the class of 2012 or 2013. Some are now in the Masters program. Overall, most are still in school around here somewhere.
 
UGA was very strict about failing students. There were 86 in our class and we only lost 3. 1 flunked out. I left. 1 dropped back a year because of health problems.
 
Georgia must have gotten much easier on students since my class in 1992 which went from 86 to 65 in 4 years. Made clinics hell as there was not enough slave labor available to do the overnight stints in the ICU and the large animal hospital.
 
UGA was very strict about failing students.

What exactly do you mean? Strict as in, "You fail, you're out" or strict as in "Keep them from failing, if at all possible?"
 
I had a classmate that I hung out with who failed a 2 credit hour course at the end of the sophomore year. Courses at that time ran for variable lengths of time like 4 weeks on some short topics to semester length and they were often tied to body system so you couldnt make up for low score on cardiology portion with higher grades in neurology portion of say small animal internal medicine as it was done earlier. Some of the short courses had only 1 or 2 tests total so if you failed the one exam, you were out, period. My classmate appealed and was able to audit and take the exam again the next year while going on with our class. Maybe it has changed from being a weed out system as you progress.
 
I just typed a long *awesome* response to the original question... annnddd I tried to spell check and accidentally deleted it. So, in short--- you know how to be a good student, do your best but take some time to have fun, remember why you're here, ask for help when you need it, and don't compare yourself to everyone else. Oh and join lots of clubs!

Sorry this lacks the awesomeness of its predecessor...


Good advice! I do plan to try my best and I'm not shy about asking for help!
 
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