How many of the 50k applicants a year are just flat-out delusional?

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I am not anger so much as I am frustrated by certain mentalities that come here at SDN at times. It's nothing against you. It's just silly crap that lends to that whole god complex thing that patients and people get annoyed with from physicians at times. I have seen so much of this quick to shoot someone's perspective down b/c "How dare you give me a treatise or your knowledge is so terribly limited--when in fact, no one really knows and neither can fully assess my experience and knowledge. God you give a perspective that differs from someone else's here, next thing you know they are nicely telling you to shut up b/c you are a know nothing idiot. Their "authority," position, and notoriety somehow makes it OK for them to assault w/ the equivalent of ad hominem attacks. But as I said, I can't change the world and everyone in it. Let people give their perspectives; b/c they are just that--their perspectives. There indeed may be something worthy of consideration. The world doesn't always function by way of stringent absolutes.
So know skooper, I didn't mean to direct anything to you. It's just an idiotic mentality that pops up here and by virtue of clout and some sense of authority, people bulldoze others over w/o really giving fair consideration to the other person/s' point/s of view.
All I am saying. It's an ignorant way for educated people to function. It's also a lazy way to make an argument.

You do realize that medical training is a hierarchy, right? Deference to authority is the only option most of the time.

is a problem is most professions. but wedo what we can prevent the stereotypes. which includes telling Ace when he's being an ass for no reason advancing a very reasonable point

 

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@jl lin don't think you have enough quotes in ur sig yet

 

[jl lin]

You do realize that medical training is a hierarchy, right? Deference to authority is the only option most of the time.

Yes, but it's lame, and sometimes it's just freakishly weird how insecure people become. I can't go back and give everyone an awesome childhood with very loving, involved, and wise parents. If we could do that, we'd be a lot closer to world peace IMHO.

Ultimately I take the deference to authority w/ a grain of salt, and pay homage to it as I must in order to move forward in my care or in life in general. On a discussion board though it gets to be idiotic, but whatever.

Happy Father's Day to any dads out there, and I hope people are enjoying their weekend. I planning on doing so w/ mine. 😉

 

[jl lin]

@jl lin don't think you have enough quotes in ur sig yet

skoop, I'll try to work on that when I feel like it. Nice day here, the pool is in great shape, so. . .

 

[GonnaBeADocOneDay]

Why did this thread turn into an argument over how to keep patients compliant? I like the original question!

So how many applicants are flat out delsuional about their app??

 

[mathnerd88]

Why did this thread turn into an argument over how to keep patients compliant? I like the original question!

So how many applicants are flat out delsuional about their app??

Pretty much every member on SDN here. Literally speaking. Neuroticism runs high with everyone on here.

 

[Narmerguy]

This is a reminder to keep things professional. Disagreeing is fine--attacking and demeaning other users to make a point is not. This is the only warning that will be given.

 

[Cotterpin]

Pretty much every member on SDN here. Literally speaking. Neuroticism runs high with everyone on here.

While that's probably true, I think the original question is more about what percentage of applicants don't realize they have no chance of success.

I knew a guy in undergrad who was actually a postbac. He was always talking about going to Columbia or Yale for medical school, all the while making grades in the C to B- range on his prereqs. He decided to apply only to schools that don't require orgo lab because he thought the class would just be impossibly hard for him. On top of everything, I'm fairly certain he has a personality disorder. Finally, when his advisor basically laughed in his face for thinking he could get into a top school, he switched gears and applied to a school in Europe where he'll be attending in the fall.

 

[skooper]

Pretty much every member on SDN here. Literally speaking. Neuroticism runs high with everyone on here.

nope, not me. I am not neurotic. Good try, honey

 

[mathnerd88]

nope, not me. I am not neurotic. Good try, honey

Congrats for being the 1% of the 1%ers!

 

[NeuResurgens]

We're all pretty neurotic and can suffer from occasional delusions. My delusion is that I'm going to JHU for medical school. While I'm prepared to accept it if I can't get in there, using it to keep me motivated during this terrible mire of MCAT studying has been beneficial, and having it as a goal will at least help me get into medical school!

 

[Dreamstoo]

Even with legacy, most MD schools don't cut slack with the MCAT. I met a person with multiple legacies and had a mid 20 score. They wanted a high 20 score and then they would most likely consider him.

 

[Syns]

While that's probably true, I think the original question is more about what percentage of applicants don't realize they have no chance of success.

I knew a guy in undergrad who was actually a postbac. He was always talking about going to Columbia or Yale for medical school, all the while making grades in the C to B- range on his prereqs. He decided to apply only to schools that don't require orgo lab because he thought the class would just be impossibly hard for him. On top of everything, I'm fairly certain he has a personality disorder. Finally, when his advisor basically laughed in his face for thinking he could get into a top school, he switched gears and applied to a school in Europe where he'll be attending in the fall.

@Cotterpin Please be careful. Intelligence is a fluid attribute and there are other significant factors that play a role in student performance. I'm going to acknowledge that my sensitivity is skewed by experience but I would be conservative when casting judgement on someone's intelligence. I could have read into your statements incorrectly and if so, please accept my apologies.

 

[Cotterpin]

@Cotterpin Please be careful. Intelligence is a fluid attribute and there are other significant factors that play a role in student performance. I'm going to acknowledge that my sensitivity is skewed by experience but I would be conservative when casting judgement on someone's intelligence. I could have read into your statements incorrectly and if so, please accept my apologies.

This thread is supposed to be about delusional applicants, so I'm not sure what's so particularly wrong with my post.

 

[Syns]

A "delusional" applicant today could be the source of a bidding war between the top 10 a few years from now. Like-wise, who your friend is today is not who they will be tomorrow. They may become a truly amazing physician who changes the world, you never know. I suppose my biggest grievance is the sense of permanency that felt to underpin your remarks.

 

[Cotterpin]

I don't know. The guy is about 40 years old and if he does have a personality disorder (I think it's something in cluster B, probably narcissistic,) then that is basically permanent. I knew him and worked with him for a couple of years, so I'm pretty confident when I say he's not going to be in a "bidding war between the top 10" ever. He's going to medical school in Europe and he doesn't want to come back.

 

[skooper]

@Cotterpin Please be careful. Intelligence is a fluid attribute and there are other significant factors that play a role in student performance. I'm going to acknowledge that my sensitivity is skewed by experience but I would be conservative when casting judgement on someone's intelligence. I could have read into your statements incorrectly and if so, please accept my apologies.

honey, calm down. This is a thread devoted to laughing at people, basically. Don't play the high throne card as if you've never done this sooooo

 

[Syns]

honey, calm down. This is a thread devoted to laughing at people, basically. Don't play the high throne card as if you've never done this sooooo

There is a big difference between laughing at someone's mistakes and laughing at SOMEONE.

Bully status 6/10.

 

[skooper]

There is a big difference between laughing at someone's mistakes and laughing at SOMEONE.

Bully status 6/10.

ok 🙄

 

[Dr. Retractor]

I would say maybe 25%, depending on how you define 'delusional'.