how many students goto specialize in columbia and upenn

[x-linked]

how many 😕 😕 😕

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[Zurik5]

Who cares.....

 

[toony]

i don't know about the number of students getting accepted for the specialty program.. as for the u penn though, they say:

"Approximately 85% of those Penn Dental students who apply to a postdoctoral program are accepted each year."

 

[ItsGavinC]

i don't know about the number of students getting accepted for the specialty program.. as for the u penn though, they say:

"Approximately 85% of those Penn Dental students who apply to a postdoctoral program are accepted each year."

Which could mean that 100 apply and 85 get accepted or that 7 applied and 6 got accepted, or anywhere in between.

 

[Yah-E]

G-man is a math major in undergrad so believe the figures he puts out.

 

[Dr.SpongeBobDDS]

They include GPR and AEGD in that figure - very misleading.

 

[ItsGavinC]

They include GPR and AEGD in that figure - very misleading.

Good point. The only people who don't match with those are the ones who don't apply to enough programs. There really isn't any secret to matching to those if you want to (getting into a top choice program might prove difficult, though).

 

[x-linked]

They include GPR and AEGD in that figure - very misleading.

so can i say half of the class goto specialize? 50%? or less? who can provide accurate figure for this? 😕

 

[StarGirl]

so can i say half of the class goto specialize? 50%? or less? who can provide accurate figure for this? 😕

yup, plus people specialize after doing a gpr or aegd...

 

[Jone]

Last year, the number for ortho at Upenn was somewhere around 15 matching.

Call them up, they like to publish their numbers every year, to tout it as one of their drawing points for prospective students.

how many 😕 😕 😕

 

[drillerNfiller]

Almost everyone, like 99% at Columbia ends up going into a postgrad education program of some kind, many of whom who will do a GPR or AEGD. As for actually specializing, a lot apply but of course it always varies how many actually get in. In our 4th year class of around 80 we have 20+ applying to ortho, another ~15 applying to OMFS, a handful of endo people, and just a few of all the other specialties. As a generalization I was told roughly 1/3 of the class usually ends up specialzing right out of graduation, and roughly 50% will be specializing within 5 years of graduating.

 

[north2southOMFS]

That is great that everyone there wants to do postgraduate education, and it is great that everyone is good enough to match somewhere, but you have to remember that New York state (where columbia is) has a policy of if you do one year of post graduate education you are not required to take any form of dental licensing boards to get a license to practice in New york state. That is probably why so many people are doing post graduate education.

And for the record, I believe that every state should adopt that practice, becuause the licensure boards are a form of legalized extortion to dental students. If we come from an accredited dental school, and pass step I and II, then why should we have to take the practical exam. Sorry, I'm drifting a bit from the topic.....

 

[Dr.SpongeBobDDS]

A few days sepnt taking an arbitrary and unfair practical exam or a full year of indentured servitude. Personally, I'd rather take my chances with the licensing exam.

 

[scandalouslj]

Penn has something like 50% going into specialities. I think Penn and Columbia are pretty similar. Last year we had 15/17 get into ortho, 12/14 in OMS and 7 into pedo, IM not sure how many applied to pedo or the stats for other specialties. These are def impressive numbers as both Penn and Columbia are known for specializing, but dont discount other schools, becuase there are a number that do as well, but just with lower numbers such as 6/7 getting into ortho, etc.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Penn has something like 50% going into specialities. I think Penn and Columbia are pretty similar. Last year we had 15/17 get into ortho, 12/14 in OMS and 7 into pedo, IM not sure how many applied to pedo or the stats for other specialties. These are def impressive numbers as both Penn and Columbia are known for specializing, but dont discount other schools, becuase there are a number that do as well, but just with lower numbers such as 6/7 getting into ortho, etc.

15/17 in ortho.....12/14 in OMS at both Columbia and Penn?? HHAHAHA...yah sure buddy...show me some proof for such outrageous claims!

 

[Doggie]

Click HERE to see the post-doc placements for columbia grads over the past few years.

I'm not too positive, but i think last year, 5-7 or so students matched into ortho.

 

[x-linked]

Click HERE to see the post-doc placements for columbia grads over the past few years.

I'm not too positive, but i think last year, 5-7 or so students matched into ortho.

😕 😕 😕 someone please clarify this

 

[dort-ort]

Penn has something like 50% going into specialities. I think Penn and Columbia are pretty similar. Last year we had 15/17 get into ortho, 12/14 in OMS and 7 into pedo, IM not sure how many applied to pedo or the stats for other specialties. These are def impressive numbers as both Penn and Columbia are known for specializing, but dont discount other schools, becuase there are a number that do as well, but just with lower numbers such as 6/7 getting into ortho, etc.

Univ. of Pennsylvania students have an unfair advantage. I know this personally because I have many U-Penn specialist colleagues. It is the school's mantra that students obtain post-grad education. And this objective is put into place right from day one as the dean boasts and arrogantly announces their high acceptance rates into post-grad programs. Their unfair advantage comes from the fact that they have a large web of faculty alumni teaching at various programs. Therefore Penn students have good network and connections. And so they get in because of this. If a situation arises such that one candidate's marks are not overwhelmingly higher than a U-Penn grad, due to the connection (if they are applying to a program where there is a U-Penn grad on faculty) the U-Penn applicant is going to get the notch.

This sort of thing goes on and so if you're not privileged to have good connections due to your schools reputation and connection with alumni -- you better have top notch marks on your application. You can't stop these things its a way of life. I am sure there will be those that feel this is unfair but believe me having connections goes a long way. By the way I am not a U-Penn grad. Its just that I was in a program where there were a lot of U-Penn grads and I felt their credentials were relatively subpar. They were nice people don't get me wrong. But I sure did learn a lot from them and their school and the way they network.

 

[edkNARF]

"It is know what you know, but who you know."

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Click HERE to see the post-doc placements for columbia grads over the past few years.

I'm not too positive, but i think last year, 5-7 or so students matched into ortho.

Thats a great site, however it doesnt tell us how many people applied, only how many got accepted....how convenient!! 🙄

I remember reading from your fellow classmate, badaboom, that about 15-20 people from Columbia apply for ortho and according to that link you put up, in the last two years, 3-4 people got accepted.....

3/20 is much different than the 15/17 that was previously posted....why do you Ivy Leaguers lie so much about your speciality matchin rates? In my opinion, 3/20 not really an impressive stat!

Still waiting for those UPenn stats.....

 

[edkNARF]

Still waiting for those UPenn stats.....

The data you requested is available here:
http://www.dental.upenn.edu/about/messenger/04-03-Messenger.pdf

The graph is rather small, but it looks like these are the stats (this is my best interpretation:
OMFS: ~14 applied, ~13 accepted (90%)
Ortho: ~16 applied, ~15 accepted (76.4%)
Pedo: ~13 applied, ~6 accepted (66.6%)
GPR: ~30 applied, ~28 accepted (96%)

 

[edkNARF]

I would just like to add that I don't go to Penn or Columbia. I am still interviewing, and I am trying to keep an open mind to the orther important factors in dental schools: clinical exposure, having your own seat in clinic, quality of labs, age of equipment. I do consider matching rates important, but for god sakes they are not the only thing!

 

[JRogoff]

The data you requested is available here:
http://www.dental.upenn.edu/about/messenger/04-03-Messenger.pdf

The graph is rather small, but it looks like these are the stats (this is my best interpretation:
OMFS: ~14 applied, ~13 accepted (90%)
Ortho: ~16 applied, ~15 accepted (76.4%)
Pedo: ~13 applied, ~6 accepted (66.6%)
GPR: ~30 applied, ~28 accepted (96%)

For ortho, 16 applied and 15 accepted would be 93.7%, not 76.4%. At any rate, it looks like the 76.4 % is correct.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

The data you requested is available here:
http://www.dental.upenn.edu/about/messenger/04-03-Messenger.pdf

The graph is rather small, but it looks like these are the stats (this is my best interpretation:
OMFS: ~14 applied, ~13 accepted (90%)
Ortho: ~16 applied, ~15 accepted (76.4%)
Pedo: ~13 applied, ~6 accepted (66.6%)
GPR: ~30 applied, ~28 accepted (96%)

Thanks...thats all I was asking for....Ive always praised Penn on its outstanding matching rate for Oral Surgery...WOW! ANd their ortho rate is not bad as well.....kudos to Penn!

And their international externships are impressive as well...that is something that I am highly interested in, and Im planning to make my own international externship at Temple....so far, the faculty Ive talked to has given me great amounts of support, but its nice that Penn has an already established program. Once again, I'll give mad respect to Penn for actually being able to back up their claim of high specialization rates....

Its just too bad that Columbia cant share this praise

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

I would just like to add that I don't go to Penn or Columbia. I am still interviewing, and I am trying to keep an open mind to the orther important factors in dental schools: clinical exposure, having your own seat in clinic, quality of labs, age of equipment. I do consider matching rates important, but for god sakes they are not the only thing!

Good to see that you are making a real mature and informed decision...too bad other predents are not like yourself....

 

[KobeInnocent]

They include GPR and AEGD in that figure - very misleading.

I apologize for being a newbie predent. But what is GPR and AEGD? They are specialization that is very easy to match?

 

[dort-ort]

I apologize for being a newbie predent. But what is GPR and AEGD? They are specialization that is very easy to match?

GPR - general practice residency -- basically a general dentistry program of one yr. in which you are a dental resident at a dental school and/or hospital. You'll get to improve your dental skills and be exposed to dental trauma. You'll be on-call to cover dental emergencies and go on rotations in various disciplines. Some programs you'll get a lot of oral surgery exposure while others a lot of pedo. Depends.

AEGD - advanced education in general dentistry. more associated with dental school (others correct me if I'm wrong) and you'll be doing more complex general dentistry. I think some of these can be associated with hospitals also but I'm not sure if you are on calls and do rotations. Again I think it depends on the program.

 

[edkNARF]

I would like to also add the following:
GPR-2 years-usually get paid a small stipend.
AEGD-1 year-you have to pay.

 

[gryffindor]

I would like to also add the following:
GPR-2 years-usually get paid a small stipend.
AEGD-1 year-you have to pay.

Small correction:
GPR is a 1 year commitment with an optional second year. You get paid a salary that is just enough to live on.
AEGD is also a 1 year commitment. Some of them pay a stipend which is usually less than the GPR salary and some of them (like UPenn) require payment of tuition due to GME funding cutbacks last year.

 

[Doggie]

Thats a great site, however it doesnt tell us how many people applied, only how many got accepted....how convenient!! 🙄

I remember reading from your fellow classmate, badaboom, that about 15-20 people from Columbia apply for ortho and according to that link you put up, in the last two years, 3-4 people got accepted.....

3/20 is much different than the 15/17 that was previously posted....why do you Ivy Leaguers lie so much about your speciality matchin rates? In my opinion, 3/20 not really an impressive stat!

Still waiting for those UPenn stats.....

As for the 15-20 people applying to ortho, I am pretty sure he meant the students this year. I dont know how you got your math skill of combining last year's stats with this year's stats.

So if only 3 people apply to oms this year and 5 people got in last year, that means columbia got a 5/3 acceptance rate!!!!

And if you can remember correctly, the "15/17" that were accepted was not reported by someone who goes to columbia.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

As for the 15-20 people applying to ortho, I am pretty sure he meant the students this year. I dont know how you got your math skill of combining last year's stats with this year's stats.

So if only 3 people apply to oms this year and 5 people got in last year, that means columbia got a 5/3 acceptance rate!!!!

And if you can remember correctly, the "15/17" that were accepted was not reported by someone who goes to columbia.

Fair enough....but Im pretty sure that if 15 people applied this year to ortho, that means that it could be safe to assume that a high amount of people from Columbia apply to Ortho every year....I just cant see a big variation like you've stated....15 apply one year, 3 the next??? however to set the record straight, since you goto Columbia, why dont you get the actual stats of people who applied, because for some reason, Columbia forgot to post it on their website.....

 

[drillerNfiller]

why do you Ivy Leaguers lie so much about your speciality matchin rates?

who has lied about anything? The thread topic asked how many people go into specialties from columbia and penn, and information stating exactly that was posted. Sorry more complete statistics aren't readily available for you to continue your unwarranted columbia bashing. By the way whats the match rates like at your school considering mine sucks so bad?

 

[badabooom]

Fair enough....but Im pretty sure that if 15 people applied this year to ortho, that means that it could be safe to assume that a high amount of people from Columbia apply to Ortho every year....I just cant see a big variation like you've stated....15 apply one year, 3 the next??? however to set the record straight, since you goto Columbia, why dont you get the actual stats of people who applied, because for some reason, Columbia forgot to post it on their website.....

assume = ass u and me
safe to assume jack.

i count 20+ with a couple of my classmates looking at our roster, but i heard 15-18 from my dean. so who knows for sure, maybe some are doing non-PASS that my dean doesn't know about, and for sure some will apply after GPR.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

who has lied about anything? The thread topic asked how many people go into specialties from columbia and penn, and information stating exactly that was posted. Sorry more complete statistics aren't readily available for you to continue your unwarranted columbia bashing. By the way whats the match rates like at your school considering mine sucks so bad?

Lying was referring to the previous post that said that COlumbia had a high speciality match rate.....

Im not Columbia bashing, but I think its reasonable that if a school is gonna claim to be a school for specialization, to demand valid stats to backup that claim. Whats so wrong with asking that? Penn, UConn and Harvard also make the same claim to fame, however, as you can see, they can easily backup their claim with hardcore statistics....I just think that Columbia should do the same....sorry if that is considered bashing....

About my school, well it never advertises itself as a school for specialization, however, due to our incredible clinical experience, Temple offers above average matching rates into specialities....once my histo exam is done on Thursday, Ill get you some real statistics....

 

[StarGirl]

Lying was referring to the previous post that said that COlumbia had a high speciality match rate.....

Im not Columbia bashing, but I think its reasonable that if a school is gonna claim to be a school for specialization, to demand valid stats to backup that claim. Whats so wrong with asking that? Penn, UConn and Harvard also make the same claim to fame, however, as you can see, they can easily backup their claim with hardcore statistics....I just think that Columbia should do the same....sorry if that is considered bashing....

About my school, well it never advertises itself as a school for specialization, however, due to our incredible clinical experience, Temple offers above average matching rates into specialities....once my histo exam is done on Thursday, Ill get you some real statistics....

STOP BEING A DONKEY.

there's no 100% accuate stats that you're going to find cause there's a ton of Columbia students that specialize after GPR. I was talking to someone that graduate in 03 and he was telling me that a LOT of his classmates are now in their first yr speciality... not everyone knows what they want to do right out of dental school...and for example Endo which is very popular (at least to my classmates) USUALLY requires 1 yr of residency before they accept you.

But if someone picks Columbia, UPenn, COnn, Hav whatever just based on "specializing rates" alone is making a HUGE mistake.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

But if someone picks Columbia, UPenn, COnn, Hav whatever just based on "specializing rates" alone is making a HUGE mistake.

Glad we are in agreement on this....hopefully now people will realize the name of the school doesnt matter when it comes to specialization, because if Columbia grads goto a GPR first (which by the way will NOT be at Columbia), then specialize, they are put on the same playing field as anyone else coming from any other school who also does a GPR before matching so the Columbia "name" did nothing for them.....so if you decide to goto Columbia or any other "prestigous" school cause you think its gives you more opportunites or is an easy gateway to specializing, as StarGirl said, you'd be making a HUGE mistake.

By the way, whats with the donkey comment?? 😕

 

[StarGirl]

Glad we are in agreement on this....hopefully now people will realize the name of the school doesnt matter when it comes to specialization, because if Columbia grads goto a GPR first (which by the way will NOT be at Columbia), then specialize, they are put on the same playing field as anyone else coming from any other school who also does a GPR before matching so the Columbia "name" did nothing for them.....so if you decide to goto Columbia or any other "prestigous" school cause you think its gives you more opportunites or is an easy gateway to specializing, as StarGirl said, you'd be making a HUGE mistake.

By the way, whats with the donkey comment?? 😕

the point is some school does have a bigger percentage of people specializing....

also, there's some people that doesn't know what they want to do after 3 years of school (cause you apply b/n the summer of 3rd and 4th yr) and they opt to do residency first... there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[ItsGavinC]

because if Columbia grads goto a GPR first (which by the way will NOT be at Columbia), then specialize, they are put on the same playing field as anyone else coming from any other school who also does a GPR before matching so the Columbia "name" did nothing for them

Not true, because for some programs a GPR is MANDATORY, so everybody must have one.

 

[Doggie]

Glad we are in agreement on this....hopefully now people will realize the name of the school doesnt matter when it comes to specialization ........

You are correct. The Columbia name wont do jack for the applicant........ it's the Columbia education that gets your foot through the speciality door. Hope we are clear on this. 😀

You have to admit that there is a lot of variation in the materials taught at various dental schools. When I went on an externship this past summer, I met 4th year dental students like myself from various schools. Some were just pure geniouses while some were "stupid." With about 30% from each class being accepted into a speciality program (not counting GPR, AEGD), columbia dental school has to be doing something beyond what other schools dont. (whether or not the faculty shuns at the students who wants to do GP..........that's another story.... )

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

You are correct. The Columbia name wont do jack for the applicant........ it's the Columbia education that gets your foot through the speciality door. Hope we are clear on this. 😀

You have to admit that there is a lot of variation in the materials taught at various dental schools. When I went on an externship this past summer, I met 4th year dental students like myself from various schools. Some were just pure geniouses while some were "stupid." With about 30% from each class being accepted into a speciality program (not counting GPR, AEGD), columbia dental school has to be doing something beyond what other schools dont. (whether or not the faculty shuns at the students who wants to do GP..........that's another story.... )

Good honest post (from Doggie? Quite suprising)....and yes I will admit that Columbia's heavy didactic program will prepare a student well for the boards, but as is everything in life, its not a guarantee, nothing is. Going to Columbia is not gonna guarantee you 90+ on the boards.

The boards are just a standardized test like the DAT. Sure you could have went to an expensive undergrad well known for science and it would have prepared you well for the DAT, or you could have went to a way cheaper school, got a good science foundation, and just put in some extra effort when studying for the DAT and got an amazing score. Both students will get into dental school, but the guy who went to the cheaper state school is laughing to the bank.

Same thing applies for the boards. By the end of the second year when students are preparing for the boards, the ones who want to specialize will study their ass off to get the scores they need....they dont have to goto Columbia to score well.

I still stand by my argument which I repeat many times on this site. The best school to choose is a school heavy on the clinical side, and cheap. If Student A goes to a research/academic type school and then realizes, "hey wait a minute, endodontics is not what I thought it was when I was a clueless predent...I feel more comfortable being a GP now that Im more familiar with dental science", they wont have a strong clinical background to fallback on and will have to do a GPR to catch up to Student B who went to clinically intense schools who is either in (a) private practice already (b) using their time to learn new skills through CE courses (c) doing a GPR, but instead of doing the clinical stuff that they did in dental school, can focus on strengthening more profitable procedures...... However, if Student B wishes to specialize, they just have to study extra hard for the boards, get a good score, and all will be well!

Plus, why would you goto a school such as Columbia which is filled with wannabe specialists who are all gunning for the top grades? Wouldnt it be harder to stand out and have a higher class rank?

 

[Doggie]

Going to Columbia is not gonna guarantee you 90+ on the boards.

Plus, why would you goto a school such as Columbia which is filled with wannabe specialists who are all gunning for the top grades? Wouldnt it be harder to stand out and have a higher class rank?

Ahhhh.........but year after year, the avg board scores are around 89.5 +/- 1. Also, columbia does not rank their students...... 😀

Provided you have the board scores and you do your homework, students from columbia will match into a good program.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Ahhhh.........but year after year, the avg board scores are around 89.5 +/- 1. Also, columbia does not rank their students...... 😀

Thats bull....Sure Columbia is on a Pass/Fail system, but students still need to be ranked....

Provided you have the board scores and you do your homework, students from columbia will match into a good program.

Hate to break it to you, but if you have the board scores and you do your homework, students from ANY SCHOOL will match into a good program

 

[Jone]

actually it's not Bull. Columbia does not have class ranks.

Thats bull....Sure Columbia is on a Pass/Fail system, but students still need to be ranked....

 

[kato999]

what schools don't have class rank besides columbia? i know harvard doesn't as well... atleast that's what the admissions people told me.

 

[badabooom]

Thats bull....Sure Columbia is on a Pass/Fail system, but students still need to be ranked....



Hate to break it to you, but if you have the board scores and you do your homework, students from ANY SCHOOL will match into a good program

dr.badvibes,
i'm clipping my fingernails

 

[AirBizktFactory]

Yo, stop school bashing. I just gotta say that people go to Harvard for a reason. People use Prada for a reason. That's all I gotta say...Air Biscuit Out.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

So your telling me that out of your class of 75, the person with the worst grades in the class can get into ortho if they have a good board score? I just dont buy it....pass or fail......students still need to be graded....

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Yo, stop school bashing. I just gotta say that people go to Harvard for a reason. People use Prada for a reason. That's all I gotta say...Air Biscuit Out.

And those superficial people are pathetic and have issues that need to be dealt with

 

[StarGirl]

And those superficial people are pathetic and have issues that need to be dealt with

you just basically generalized that anyone that use "prada" or go to "harvard" are pathetic and superficial...
...get a bag from prada and you'll know why it's "quality"

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

you just basically generalized that anyone that use "prada" or go to "harvard" are pathetic and superficial...
...get a bag from prada and you'll know why it's "quality"

Im not denying that its quality, but you have to admit that 50% of the price of that bag goes to the name on the bag....that in my opinion is pathetic....

And i never generalized and said that people who goto harvard are pathetic...but if you goto Harvard just because its "Harvard" without knowing why else your choosing it....yes, thats pathetic.