how many students goto specialize in columbia and upenn

[Yah-E]

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It seems to me that this question pop up every year! Year after year, those Ivy League name schools produce dental graduates into specialties. Obviously the dental grads from those schools all have the qualifications and having the Ivy League school name doesn't hurt either.

If you want to specialize, by going to one of these four schools (Harvard, UConn, Penn, and Columbia), you'll definitely have one leg up on everyone (I never used to want to believe that, but sadly it's true). It is also true that doesn't matter what dental school you go to and you want to specialize, as long as you are top of your class and do wonders on Part 1, then you'll will most likely match. But year after year, these four schools continuously match a good chunk of their graduates versus, for example, only 5 or 6 graduates from Nova matching into specialties, it shows that those four schools are doing something right or have something going for them.

It makes you wonder, "Does specialty program director give preference to Ivy League dental graduates when it comes to picking and choosing?"

Statistics are there, no doubt that these four dental schools continously match their graduates!

[U Conn is not Ivy League, but still doing something right over there!]

As dental students not from these 4 schools, you can only do your best with what you have and line your eggs up against these 4 school graduates when you apply and hope to stand out and match one spot/seat for yourself in the specialty of your choice!

One negative assumption that I would make about these 4 schools is that there is got to be some crazy intraclass competition and animosity when you have all those people wanting to specialize in the same field. For example, I have one other classmate of mine that is gun-ho about OMFS and maybe two or three other slackers that think they may want to do OMFS, not so much competition. I can't imagine having 15 or 16 other classmates all wanting to do OMFS and all of us having great numbers! There's gotta be competition, right? Perhaps Doggie can enlighten us on this. Competition? Or friendly atmosphere?

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

It seems to me that this question pop up every year! Year after year, those Ivy League name schools produce dental graduates into specialties. Obviously the dental grads from those schools all have the qualifications and having the Ivy League school name doesn't hurt either.

If you want to specialize, by going to one of these four schools (Harvard, UConn, Penn, and Columbia), you'll definitely have one leg up on everyone (I never used to want to believe that, but sadly it's true). It is also true that doesn't matter what dental school you go to and you want to specialize, as long as you are top of your class and do wonders on Part 1, then you'll will most likely match. But year after year, these four schools continuously match a good chunk of their graduates versus, for example, only 5 or 6 graduates from Nova matching into specialties, it shows that those four schools are doing something right or have something going for them.

It makes you wonder, "Does specialty program director give preference to Ivy League dental graduates when it comes to picking and choosing?"

Statistics are there, no doubt that these four dental schools continously match their graduates!

[U Conn is not Ivy League, but still doing something right over there!]

As dental students not from these 4 schools, you can only do your best with what you have and line your eggs up against these 4 school graduates when you apply and hope to stand out and match one spot/seat for yourself in the specialty of your choice!

One negative assumption that I would make about these 4 schools is that there is got to be some crazy intraclass competition and animosity when you have all those people wanting to specialize in the same field. For example, I have one other classmate of mine that is gun-ho about OMFS and maybe two or three other slackers that think they may want to do OMFS, not so much competition. I can't imagine having 15 or 16 other classmates all wanting to do OMFS and all of us having great numbers! There's gotta be competition, right? Perhaps Doggie can enlighten us on this. Competition? Or friendly atmosphere?

Sorry Yah-E, but Columbia's post-doc stats on its website is nothing to brag about.....4 people in Oral Surgery, 5 in ortho?? Whats the big deal about that?

 

[Yah-E]

Sure, those numbers are lower in comparison to Harvard, UConn, and UPenn, but it's higher than most US dental schools. Don't know about Temple's stats (perhaps you can find out and share), but at Nova, last year we had 2 OMFS and 2 Ortho matched!

3 applied to OMFS
7 applied to Ortho

Not saying that those 4 schools are da ****, but stats don't lie when it comes to comparing in number of graduates match into specialties to other US dental school.

 

[Zurik5]

Love me some Prada...

 

[NC2PA]

One negative assumption that I would make about these 4 schools is that there is got to be some crazy intraclass competition and animosity when you have all those people wanting to specialize in the same field.

Honestly, after 1 year of school, I haven't noticed any type of animosity within my class. I'm sure there are people who are bitter about one thing or another, but it doesn't show publicly. If someone has old notes or a handy tip for an upcoming practical, word spreads extremely quickly...and there's no problem with sharing the info. As far as specialties...you're competing with the entire applicant pool as a whole, not with your classmates. so it's pretty much the same as at another school.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of the students at Penn are bright and work extremely hard. I don't normally post b/c i don't see the point of spending my time splitting hairs over every little detail of dentistry as a profession, but snders like numbers. The incoming class alone had an overall gpa of 3.59 and a science gpa of 3.54. (www.dental.upenn.edu) Those kind of numbers take a lot of hard work in undergrad...and those study habits don't just die when you get to dental school just b/c you don't want to get pinned as a "gunner."

so yeah, the match numbers are pretty good at Penn, and as far as class rank goes...Only the TOP 10 are ranked. Last year, the 1st and 10th ranked students were only separated by a matter of several 100ths of a point. Obviously, there were more matches than class rankings.

It's just rude for someone who's never spent a day in the life of a student at another school to assume that b/c someone is paying more for a school....for whatever reason....they're being "handed" an opportunity.

Maybe i'm just annoyed because i just got home from an 18 hour day of lectures and preparing for a dentures practical....but i would probably have to show some sort of documented proof that Penn students actually have to work hard.

 

[drillerNfiller]

One negative assumption that I would make about these 4 schools is that there is got to be some crazy intraclass competition and animosity when you have all those people wanting to specialize in the same field. For example, I have one other classmate of mine that is gun-ho about OMFS and maybe two or three other slackers that think they may want to do OMFS, not so much competition. I can't imagine having 15 or 16 other classmates all wanting to do OMFS and all of us having great numbers! There's gotta be competition, right? Perhaps Doggie can enlighten us on this. Competition? Or friendly atmosphere?

i agree there is some pretty serious competition at columbia. crazy kids like to lie about what there applying to, what their grades and scores are, hide and steal old exams, and the like. Even the faculty joins in by what it seems like is giving out BS awards to people who dont deserve them to help build up their CVs for post grad applications......but I just assumed it was like that at every school. 😕

 

[captaintripps]

i agree there is some pretty serious competition at columbia. crazy kids like to lie about what there applying to, what their grades and scores are, hide and steal old exams, and the like. Even the faculty joins in by what it seems like is giving out BS awards to people who dont deserve them to help build up their CVs for post grad applications......but I just assumed it was like that at every school. 😕

UConn has a pass/fail system, which is intended to eliminate competition. Far as I can tell it works. Also the administration works to select students for admission that are both capable and fair-minded. But immaturity is manifested in many annoying ways - 2 years of rigorous medical science courses and exams tends to resolve this issue.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

I dont understand this P/F system...how are they not ranked?

I just dont understand how the top student in the class has no advantage over the guy at the bottom...

Im skeptical about this claim....

 

[Wah]

I dont understand this P/F system...how are they not ranked?

I just dont understand how the top student in the class has no advantage over the guy at the bottom...

Im skeptical about this claim....

Just thought I'd clear some things up... I graduated from Columbia. We don't have GPAs or "official" class ranks (its a University policy from 1968 to protest unfair military drafting policies... you can look it up on google). We do, however, have different levels of Dean's recommendations. This is based on your dental school letter grade average. So if you graduated with the best grades, you get "the highest recommendation", next would be "highly recommended", then "recommended"... etc. So in a way, they do keep track of your grades and they do explain the system in the Dean's letters.

About the statistics on the columbia website... those stats show how the class did for their senior year. Many students apply for programs after 1 year of GPR/AEGD. I can tell you that in my class of 75 students, 10 of the 11 that applied both senior year and 1 year after for orthodontics got in (2 did not apply the second time around so 10/13 total). Everyone who applied to OMFS and Pedo got in their on their first try. Everyone who applied to Perio and Prostho also got in on the first try (some applied for the first time after GPR). And most of the people who got into endo did so a year after GPR (I think we had 6 total).

You seem to have a really bad opinion of Columbia... I think if you knew all the facts you'd see that we do very well. Just because they don't publish the most up-to-date stats, it doesn't mean we don't have a high match rate. 😉

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Just thought I'd clear some things up... I graduated from Columbia. We don't have GPAs or "official" class ranks (its a University policy from 1968 to protest unfair military drafting policies... you can look it up on google). We do, however, have different levels of Dean's recommendations. This is based on your dental school letter grade average. So if you graduated with the best grades, you get "the highest recommendation", next would be "highly recommended", then "recommended"... etc. So in a way, they do keep track of your grades and they do explain the system in the Dean's letters.

About the statistics on the columbia website... those stats show how the class did for their senior year. Many students apply for programs after 1 year of GPR/AEGD. I can tell you that in my class of 75 students, 10 of the 11 that applied both senior year and 1 year after for orthodontics got in (2 did not apply the second time around so 10/13 total). Everyone who applied to OMFS and Pedo got in their on their first try. Everyone who applied to Perio and Prostho also got in on the first try (some applied for the first time after GPR). And most of the people who got into endo did so a year after GPR (I think we had 6 total).

You seem to have a really bad opinion of Columbia... I think if you knew all the facts you'd see that we do very well. Just because they don't publish the most up-to-date stats, it doesn't mean we don't have a high match rate. 😉

Ok...so...umm....Columbia is ranked then....its not a number ranked, but students are ranked nonetheless....which means that students are still gonna wanna get high grades and be cutthroat to do so....

And about the speciliazation statistics, all I said was that Columbia's stats were not much better than normal dental schools, whereas at UConn, UPO, Penn and Harvard you can obviously see a discrepancy.

And the fact that people apply and get in after doing a first year GPR, still doesnt show me how going to Columbia puts you at any advantage over others applying who also do a GPR if they dont get in their first time.....eg griffin04, graduate from SUNY Buffalo who I believe is doing a 1 year GPR in New York and applying again to Ortho because she didnt get in last year. Its a common theme from EVERY dental school.

 

[Wah]

Ok...so...umm....Columbia is ranked then....its not a number ranked, but students are ranked nonetheless....which means that students are still gonna wanna get high grades and be cutthroat to do so....

Sort of... there is no way to tell the difference between #1 and #5, but you know who is in the top 10%, top 20%, top 50%, etc. It gives you a general idea. I don't think Columbia was anymore cutthroat than other schools. I've heard of fights breaking out in other schools because of "cutthroating". We never went that far... But honestly, its a problem in all schools.

And about the speciliazation statistics, all I said was that Columbia's stats were not much better than normal dental schools, whereas at UConn, UPO, Penn and Harvard you can obviously see a discrepancy.

I think we do better than most schools. I have no numbers to back up my claim, but 10 ortho residents, 100% for OMFS, Pedo, Prostho, Perio is pretty good in my book.

And the fact that people apply and get in after doing a first year GPR, still doesnt show me how going to Columbia puts you at any advantage over others applying who also do a GPR if they dont get in their first time.....eg griffin04, graduate from SUNY Buffalo who I believe is doing a 1 year GPR in New York and applying again to Ortho because she didnt get in last year. Its a common theme from EVERY dental school.

I think to see the advantage of columbia over some other schools, you have to know the applicants. Everyone says you have to be in the top 10% to get into ortho. Well if you have that many ortho, endo and OMFS residents (roughly 20+ of 75 students)... it is obvious that you don't have to be in the top 10% to get in. I think that is the advantage we have over some other schools.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

I think we do better than most schools. I have no numbers to back up my claim, but 10 ortho residents, 100% for OMFS, Pedo, Prostho, Perio is pretty good in my book.

Where are u getting these stats from? According to Columbia's own website, only 4 people went into ortho last year straight from graduation....similar to most any other school....I'd try and get the numbers right before posting my friend....

I think to see the advantage of columbia over some other schools, you have to know the applicants. Everyone says you have to be in the top 10% to get into ortho. Well if you have that many ortho, endo and OMFS residents (roughly 20+ of 75 students)... it is obvious that you don't have to be in the top 10% to get in. I think that is the advantage we have over some other schools.

I think the top 10% refers to getting in RIGHT AFTER GRADUATION....thats the only stat that matters.....after you graduate, you're on your own.....if you go into a GPR, who gives a $hit what school you went to....you'll be doing a GPR with students from all different schools.....

Im sorry, but I still dont see this advantage....lets face it...Columbia attracts students who want to specialize, right? And these students will do anything it takes to specialize...even if it takes 5 years after they graduate.....is the fact that most Columbia students eventually specialize after doing GPRs, etc. reflective of something special the school is giving them or solely the drive of the student?

On the other hand...schools like Harvard, UOP have abnormally high matching rates right out of graduation....meaning that this school must be doing something to produce those stats.....

I think if students from ANY dental school are as driven to specialize as most Columbia students are, they will get in eventually, even if it takes them 5 years. It has nothing to do with the school.....So I still dont see how Columbia has the advantage over other dental schools?

The fact that most Columbia students specialize after 5 years is not really a stat to be proud of....the question I would ask to that is....If Columbia was so almighty, why did it take them 5 years to eventually get accepted?

 

[Brutus0725]

Well, I am a student at UPENN. Most people here do want to go into a Post-doc program. My class is not competive. Eveyone is nice to me. Some are more anal about there work than others but it is a good balance. I plan on going into a OMFS program when I graduate. I picked this school because they do train students to become specialist, I think that is a good thing. I spent 2 1/2 years at another dental school getting my masters before coming here and the schools and students mindset are totally different. Some schools programs are set up to graduate general dentist, while others are set up to allow you to explore other aspects of dentistry. You have a choice. I would say that PENN puts out so many specialist because of the students. The students here have a total diffent mentality than they did in TX and I like it.

And for the post about networking..... Let me tell you, I worked before I came to dental school and got my MS and if you are not willing to meet people in your field, or in any field for that matter, you won't get to far. People make choices based on what they know. If they know that a school puts out good graduates for there programs that have worked out well in the past, why wouldn't they look at that school the next time around. Its like hiring someone you know well or someone you know well sends someone to you for a job. You trust what you know! That is why all schools, even undergrad and job applications ask for references!?! PENN puts out good specialist, particulary OMFS (our former dean is an OMFS). Our new dean is a Periodontist (She is also the Cheif editor of JADA, her name and our school is on every copy you get and every other dentist or dental student in the ADA/ASDA). Don't you think a letter from her would mean a lot to any specialty program?

Pick the school that is suited for your goals! I did.............

UPENN
Class of 2007

 

[Wah]

Where are u getting these stats from? According to Columbia's own website, only 4 people went into ortho last year straight from graduation....similar to most any other school....I'd try and get the numbers right before posting my friend....?

These numbers are correct. They are from my class. Like I said before... these numbers are from grad and 1 year after, not 5 years like you keep implying... nobody keeps track of 5 year numbers, so you really don't know. Also, the numbers on the site do not mean anything unless you know how many people applied. So 6 OMFS residents doesn't say anything, but 6 out of the 6 that wanted to go into OMFS says a lot to me. Anyways, I'm not here to say that Columbia is the best school out there because it's not. I'm just saying that you are reading too much into the numbers.

I think the top 10% refers to getting in RIGHT AFTER GRADUATION....thats the only stat that matters.....after you graduate, you're on your own...

This is just silly...

The fact that most Columbia students specialize after 5 years is not really a stat to be proud of....the question I would ask to that is....If Columbia was so almighty, why did it take them 5 years to eventually get accepted?

Where are you getting this 5 year number from??? I don't know any Columbia grads from 5 years ago starting a PG program... do you???

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

These numbers are correct. They are from my class. Like I said before... these numbers are from grad and 1 year after, not 5 years like you keep implying... nobody keeps track of 5 year numbers, so you really don't know. Also, the numbers on the site do not mean anything unless you know how many people applied. So 6 OMFS residents doesn't say anything, but 6 out of the 6 that wanted to go into OMFS says a lot to me. Anyways, I'm not here to say that Columbia is the best school out there because it's not. I'm just saying that you are reading too much into the numbers.

I agree with you....it all depends on how many people applied to make those stats more valid, and thats why I was posting before that Columbia should post those stats like Penn and the other schools do....

According to badaboom, and DrillerNFiller, 4th year Columbia students, 20+ people from their class are applying ortho....20 people!!!!!! Thats a lot....so you can safely assume that a lot of people also applied last year as well....and only 4 got in???? How is this impressive?

And for the record, Im not here saying Columbia is a bad school....it just isnt the amazing school that its put out to be....

This is just silly...

Please elaborate on why that was silly?

Where are you getting this 5 year number from??? I don't know any Columbia grads from 5 years ago starting a PG program... do you???

I got the 5 year stat from DrillerNFiller, a 4th year Columbia student who posted this on the first page of this thread:

As for actually specializing, a lot apply but of course it always varies how many actually get in. In our 4th year class of around 80 we have 20+ applying to ortho, another ~15 applying to OMFS, a handful of endo people, and just a few of all the other specialties. As a generalization I was told roughly 1/3 of the class usually ends up specialzing right out of graduation, and roughly 50% will be specializing within 5 years of graduating.

So thats where I got that 5 year number from. So if these numbers are true, 4/20 into ortho, 6/15 into OMFS, only 1/3 of the class specializing right out of graduation?????.....dude, hate to break it to you, but you'll find those type of stats at ANY DENTAL SCHOOL!

 

[watanka]

i agree there is some pretty serious competition at columbia. crazy kids like to lie about what there applying to, what their grades and scores are, hide and steal old exams, and the like. Even the faculty joins in by what it seems like is giving out BS awards to people who dont deserve them to help build up their CVs for post grad applications......but I just assumed it was like that at every school. 😕

so sick and tired of BS awards people get...

it's hard to be a guy in dental school...

 

[StarGirl]

I agree with you....it all depends on how many people applied to make those stats more valid, and thats why I was posting before that Columbia should post those stats like Penn and the other schools do....

According to badaboom, and DrillerNFiller, 4th year Columbia students, 20+ people from their class are applying ortho....20 people!!!!!! Thats a lot....so you can safely assume that a lot of people also applied last year as well....and only 4 got in???? How is this impressive?

And for the record, Im not here saying Columbia is a bad school....it just isnt the amazing school that its put out to be....



Please elaborate on why that was silly?



I got the 5 year stat from DrillerNFiller, a 4th year Columbia student who posted this on the first page of this thread:

As for actually specializing, a lot apply but of course it always varies how many actually get in. In our 4th year class of around 80 we have 20+ applying to ortho, another ~15 applying to OMFS, a handful of endo people, and just a few of all the other specialties. As a generalization I was told roughly 1/3 of the class usually ends up specialzing right out of graduation, and roughly 50% will be specializing within 5 years of graduating.

So thats where I got that 5 year number from. So if these numbers are true, 4/20 into ortho, 6/15 into OMFS, only 1/3 of the class specializing right out of graduation?????.....dude, hate to break it to you, but you'll find those type of stats at ANY DENTAL SCHOOL!

nah last yr's class and this yr's 4th yr class have completely different personality... last yr not nearly as many people were interested in specializing...
every yr has it's own personalities...i definately think the 05 class is the most competitive out of all the ones i've seen here.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

nah last yr's class and this yr's 4th yr class have completely different personality... last yr not nearly as many people were interested in specializing...
every yr has it's own personalities...i definately think the 05 class is the most competitive out of all the ones i've seen here.

Yes this is true, so 20+ applying for ortho is very high, but do you really think last year, there was a huge discrepancy? I would find it hard to believe that 20+ applied this year, but only 5-7 applied last year....

If you could get the exact numbers, now that would settle this once and for all, right?

 

[Doggie]

So thats where I got that 5 year number from. So if these numbers are true, 4/20 into ortho, 6/15 into OMFS, only 1/3 of the class specializing right out of graduation?????.....dude, hate to break it to you, but you'll find those type of stats at ANY DENTAL SCHOOL!

Please re-read my post again, Avin....... I like how you keep on arbitrarily applying stats from different years to make it seem like columbia has the worst stats.

So if only 3 people apply to oms this year and 5 people got in last year, that means columbia got a 5/3 acceptance rate!!!!

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Please re-read my post again, Avin....... I like how you keep on arbitrarily applying stats from different years to make it seem like columbia has the worst stats.

[/b]

Wow....Im suprised you remembered my name.....but about those stats....I though I could safely assume that 20 people are applying this year, a similar number applied last year....maybe not as much, but it cant be way lower....especially since Columbia attracts specialization junkies....

 

[Doggie]

Wow....Im suprised you remembered my name.....but about those stats....I though I could safely assume that 20 people are applying this year, a similar number applied last year....maybe not as much, but it cant be way lower....especially since Columbia attracts specialization junkies....

2 people in my class applied to prosthodontics this year. Both have already been accepted to programs for next year. Wow.........2 out of 2 people who apply for prostho from columbia will get in. Wow.......that's 100% match rate!!!

3 people in 2003 got into prosthodontic residency. So.............3 out of 2 people who apply for prostho from columbia will get in. Wow........that's 150% match rate!!!

6 people in 1999 got into prosthodontic residency. So..............6 out of 2 people who apply for prostho from columbia will get in. Wow......that's 300% match rate!!!!!

I think it's safe to assume that columbia is the place to be if people want to specialize in prostho.......makes perfect sense to you and me rite?

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

2 people in my class applied to prosthodontics this year. Both have already been accepted to programs for next year.

3 people in 2003 got into prosthodontic residency. So.............3 out of 2 people who apply for prostho from columbia will get in. Wow........that's 150% match rate!!! I think it's safe to assume that columbia is the place to be if people want to specialize in prostho.......makes perfect sense to you and me rite?

Cmon Doggie....you can come up with better material than that!!!

And plus, who the hell wants to go into prostho these days??

 

[Doggie]

Cmon Doggie....you can come up with better material than that!!!

And plus, who the hell wants to go into prostho these days??

I''m just following your same assumption.

And plus, who the hell wants to go into MPH these days?? I'm sure people find prostho necessary just like they find mph necessary.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Are u being serious Doggie or just joking, because you've obviously missed the point Im making....

Anyways, why you up so late...studying? I got Dental ANatomy on Tuesday

 

[ItsGavinC]

And plus, who the hell wants to go into prostho these days??

Hmmm.

 

[Doggie]

So if these numbers are true, 4/20 into ortho, 6/15 into OMFS, only 1/3 of the class specializing right out of graduation?????.....dude, hate to break it to you, but you'll find those type of stats at ANY DENTAL SCHOOL!

You seem like a guy who will believe heavily in statistics......I like to see where you obtained this information regarding ANY dental school having 1/3 of their students specializing right out if graduation. You're right........I've obviously missed the point that you were trying to make becuase you constantly confuse me with made up statistics.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

You seem like a guy who will believe heavily in statistics......I like to see where you obtained this information regarding ANY dental school having 1/3 of their students specializing right out if graduation. You're right........I've obviously missed the point that you were trying to make becuase you constantly confuse me with made up statistics.

What I was getting at is that if you rank top 1/3 of your class at ANY dental school, you have a good chance to specialize...Columbia or not.

Its just that at Columbia, everyone wants to specialize, so the top 1/3 go in. Whereas at my school, although students may be in the top 1/3, they opt to not specialize because they just want to do general dentistry.

The point Im trying to make? Columbia gives you nothing special when it comes to specializing and their stats show that....thus if you rank high at any dental school, you can specialize.....end of argument....

 

[lnn2]

...Eveyone is nice to me....

I bet that you have a sizzling hot sister 😀

 

[Doggie]

What I was getting at is that if you rank top 1/3 of your class at ANY dental school, you have a good chance to specialize...Columbia or not.

Its just that at Columbia, everyone wants to specialize, so the top 1/3 go in. Whereas at my school, although students may be in the top 1/3, they opt to not specialize because they just want to do general dentistry.

The point Im trying to make? Columbia gives you nothing special when it comes to specializing and their stats show that....thus if you rank high at any dental school, you can specialize.....end of argument....

I think u've missed my point where Columbia differs from some other schools. Students at Columbia are technically not ranked as I have previously stated. How does this not give columbia an edge? There's no #1 or #80......everyone has an equal chance at PG residency programs*




*some restrictions may apply......ie: boards, recommendation letters, experience.

 

[badabooom]

columbia does pretty well on national part 1 board exam, there's no argument. columbia students consistently do well on this exam year after year.

part 1 score is a big determinant in postgrad residency matching.

therefore it's "safe to assume " that there's something in columbia education that give its students the knowledge for this exam.
columbia=higher board score=higher chance in specialty matching
end of discussion



oh did i mention that our class was the first to get 2 weeks off to study for part 1, only to come back right after the exam and take 7 more class final exams the following week? oh the stress thinking about the final exams while taking the part 1 exam.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

I think u've missed my point where Columbia differs from some other schools. Students at Columbia are technically not ranked as I have previously stated. How does this not give columbia an edge? There's no #1 or #80......everyone has an equal chance at PG residency programs*




*some restrictions may apply......ie: boards, recommendation letters, experience.

Kinda reminds me of those radio ads you always hear that make their product sound so safe and reliable, but then at the end of the ad, there is like 10 seconds of some guys talking really fast about the restrictions, exceptions, etc.

Or that episode of the Simpsons where Homer was accused of sexual harassment and went on Rock Bottom, and the host was pretending that Homer was attacking him, and then quickly at the end, they say really fast, "dramatization may not have happened"

 

[Doggie]

Kinda reminds me of those radio ads you always hear that make their product sound so safe and reliable, but then at the end of the ad, there is like 10 seconds of some guys talking really fast about the restrictions, exceptions, etc.

Or that episode of the Simpsons where Homer was accused of sexual harassment and went on Rock Bottom, and the host was pretending that Homer was attacking him, and then quickly at the end, they say really fast, "dramatization may not have happened"

Are we pretending to be oblivious??? 😕

I'm tired of responding to your posts. You really dont make sense half the times with your contradicting statements. Just to make you feel better. I'm gonna give you a gold star and say that you won this arguement so that you can feel better.

 

[badabooom]

doctor.badvibes
you get a sticker from me
and i'm gonna draw you a smiley face too

 

[eggowoman393]

here are some stats I found from a friend. . .



Class of 2008 stats for UCLA

about 2000-3000 applications received for 88 spots

avg. science 3.58 ish
avg. GPA 3.60
avg. PAT = 19
avg. Overall DAT = 22

last year 13/14 people got into ortho. 5/5 got into OMS
avg. board scores was a 91 last year and 92 this year. UCLA is #2 behind UConn this year with a 92 on NBDE I.



Compare those stats to Penns, UCSF's and Columbia's stats and you will see that UCLA is at the top behind Harvard probably.

Penn: http://www.dental.upenn.edu/academic/DMDprogram/dmd-facts.html
Columbia:

Columbia:
http://dental.columbia.edu/education/faqs.htm

What undergraduate GPA do you require for admission?
There is no minimum GPA requirement, however 3.0 and above is desirable. The average GPA of the 2003-2004 enrollees is 3.4.


What is the minimum DAT score of an incoming student at SDOS?
We have no minimum or cut-off scores. The mean DAT score of the class entering in 2004 is 21, (the national average is roughly 17), however the range varies from year to year.


How many applications does the school receive? How difficult is it to get in?
The School of Dental and Oral Surgery received 1360 applications for the DDS program in 2003-2004. Nearly one in five AADSAS applications filed nationally was sent to Columbia. Of that number approximately two hundred fifty-six were interviewed and 75 were enrolled


UCSF:
http://dentistry.ucsf.edu/admissions/admiss_program1-stats.html

doctor.badvibes
you get a sticker from me
and i'm gonna draw you a smiley face too

 

[StarGirl]

Cmon Doggie....you can come up with better material than that!!!

And plus, who the hell wants to go into prostho these days??

*raises hand* Key word being wants...but not neccessarily will....

and in response to how different each class is at columbia... there's 10 (out of about 80...that's 1/8th just to keep your stats-craze in order) in my class in the Prosthodontics Area of Concentration 😀 and only 6 [yes you read right, six] in Ortho...

 

[StarGirl]

UCLA

yay go ucla! 😍