How much are you willing to sacrifice for your med school dream?

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As a non-trad with a family, I just found out we have to sell our condo at a big loss - about 18% down from the purchase price 11 years ago. This is especially depressing because I was hoping to get some extra money for moving expense, etc. I was excited about going to med school and all but I guess this is the first reality check. Is this a petty price to pay for my med school dream? How much sacrifice are we going to make for the next few years?
 
What are your options? I know you got accepted to ccom and DMU. With ccom will you still need to sell the condo? And is it sell or don't go? I am willing to sacrifice almost anything, but it is the reason I applied to the schools I did. Some sacrifices I don't want to me. What kind of sacrifice are we talking for you? 18% is a big loss.
 
I am selling my house and giving up a 6 figure income in a profession that allows me to have a lot of free time. I'm also basically debt free right now. In the end I know it will be all worth it.
 
As a non-trad with a family, I just found out we have to sell our condo at a big loss - about 18% down from the purchase price 11 years ago. This is especially depressing because I was hoping to get some extra money for moving expense, etc. I was excited about going to med school and all but I guess this is the first reality check. Is this a petty price to pay for my med school dream? How much sacrifice are we going to make for the next few years?
Not to make lite of your situation, but 18% is not bad at all. We lost 50% of a 600K house in Florida. Go for your dream. And as far as your condo goes... price it slightly UNDER market. Trust me... depending on where you are prices are still going down... you are better off getting out from under your titantic condo. Had we taken that same advice the first time we tried to sell our house in Florida we would have only lost 75K.... but being stubborn fools we waited to long to cut the price and ended up taking at 300K bath.
 
As a non-trad with a family, I just found out we have to sell our condo at a big loss - about 18% down from the purchase price 11 years ago. This is especially depressing because I was hoping to get some extra money for moving expense, etc. I was excited about going to med school and all but I guess this is the first reality check. Is this a petty price to pay for my med school dream? How much sacrifice are we going to make for the next few years?
Best advice I can give you is don't look back - less you turn into a pillar of salt. This is the start of many sacrifices. There will be more in each transition through medical school, residency, and fellowship if you go that far. Congrats on your acceptance, good luck in medical school, and welcome to the club.
 
As a non-trad with a family, I just found out we have to sell our condo at a big loss - about 18% down from the purchase price 11 years ago. This is especially depressing because I was hoping to get some extra money for moving expense, etc. I was excited about going to med school and all but I guess this is the first reality check. Is this a petty price to pay for my med school dream? How much sacrifice are we going to make for the next few years?


Just to take my pre-reqs I quit a 6-figure job, cashed out my 401k, and sold a house for $130 that I paid $199K for. I did this without an acceptance.

If you now have one, only you can decide if it is worth it.
 
A lot of crazy folks around here but kudos to you all!
 
A lot of crazy folks around here but kudos to you all!

I wish there was a like button for this. Seriously, I have a lot respect for all those who have posted their sacrifices. :luck:👍
 
As a non-trad with a family, I just found out we have to sell our condo at a big loss - about 18% down from the purchase price 11 years ago. This is especially depressing because I was hoping to get some extra money for moving expense, etc. I was excited about going to med school and all but I guess this is the first reality check. Is this a petty price to pay for my med school dream? How much sacrifice are we going to make for the next few years?
Have you looked into renting the condo out, having a management company deal with the tenants etc. while you are in school? Something to consider if you are under water in the condo and you can get enough in rent to cover the payments.
 
we were going to retire military. 7 more years to go for that. i would be able to do my in home daycare for military kids at every post, the certification transfers with me. so we both had stable careers that would only grow further. we had it all planned....

now we are taking the honorable discharge November of 2012 instead of reup, my certification is under military children & youth services so i can't just open up a civilian daycare once we leave unless i do all of that work which i am not since i'll be focusing on mcats and getting accepted. we have no idea what job he will get. i am building us a financial safety net as big as possible for next november. i have managed our finances so that in 2-3 months we will be debt free.

We are not selling a home or anything like that, so that I cannot relate to. What scares me the most is we have been military for so long, it is a different lifestyle, it is like living in a gated community. Hell we usually do live in gated communities and it requires a military ID to get past the guards along with occasional car inspections lol. I joined the army in 2004, I already got my honorable discharge, but I am still in the military lifestyle obviously. He has been in for 13 years. We are so used to this that going civilian is exciting and scary especially with the current economy. When we leave on that plane, we are moving to a state where we know no one. Our household goods and car won't be their for 2-3 months so we'll live out of our suitcases and use public transportation. We just hope the place we move into is as nice as it looks online cause we will have to set it up online before we leave.

Sometimes I wonder....am I being selfish? I know he wants to get out of the army so it is not like this is 100% for me, but if I was not going med school I know he would end up reupping and sticking with the retirement idea. I have a strong gpa, deans list since I can remember and multiple honor societies...he looks at these things as great accomplishments and believes in me so strongly. I look at them as being just like every other premed student. He is so sure I will get into a great school, with all we are doing for my dream...if I dont get accepted to one of my schools I will feel like I failed my family. I act very confident and I am confident in myself, but I am also scared. What if he can't find a good job? Then what do we do?Our savings will eventually run out.

I think I went off on a little tangent....sorry about that. It is quiet time for my daycare right now, the kids are napping, the lights are out, curtains closed etc....I am thinking too much right now haha.
 
I wish there was a like button for this. Seriously, I have a lot respect for all those who have posted their sacrifices. :luck:👍

I have loads of respect for those that take risks wisely. Some of these sound like gambling with your family.
 
I have loads of respect for those that take risks wisely. Some of these sound like gambling with your family.
Everyone who enters medical school with a family is gambling with their family. There are many ways to mitigate the risks of problems, but it would be incredibly naive to think there is no chance that pursuing a MD/DO could negatively impact your relationships. There are many success stories of becoming a doctor with your relationships intact, and there are many others that died through the course of medical school and residency. It is impossible to pursue this without adding strain and risk to your relationship. Whether it is a risk worth taking is an individual choice to make, but pretending anyone can go through this without any risk is incredibly foolish.
 
Everyone who enters medical school with a family is gambling with their family. There are many ways to mitigate the risks of problems, but it would be incredibly naive to think there is no chance that pursuing a MD/DO could negatively impact your relationships. There are many success stories of becoming a doctor with your relationships intact, and there are many others that died through the course of medical school and residency. It is impossible to pursue this without adding strain and risk to your relationship. Whether it is a risk worth taking is an individual choice to make, but pretending anyone can go through this without any risk is incredibly foolish.

You're missing a key word in my response.
 
If you are trying to state that I am not being wise with our risks and I am gambling with my family then say it without beating around the bush. Since you typed this right after my post I am assuming you are.

I have sold things of my own worth $ to pile this safety net I spoke of even bigger.The amount of money that we will have can sustain us safely for 6 months if we are not spending it needlessly, although it could go longer than 6 months, but I like to plan for the unexpected. I am only looking at schools in the north east because my mother is in Ohio and worst case scenario she can be a back up plan to help with employment since the company she is involved with has operations heavily set up in the north east states. She has a position that does come with "perks" such as she could get us hired in one of the buildings. (not HER main building, god no I would not work for my mom)We do not WANT to work for them, but I don't do anything without a backup when it comes to my family. I would NOT do this if I thought for a second we served a chance of not being able to take care of our family. I always have backups and I always plan things.

I could go in detail about other aspects of this that I have calculated, a list of cities I have thus far picked as serious possibilities based upon employment statistics, cost of living etc, but I won't.

The point is....if your going to post something like that then maybe you should ask questions regarding planning strategies, backups etc etc....before you assume it is not wise or gambling my family. I would never gamble my family. Yes it is scary as hell with a lot of unknowns, but anyone in here that is a parent understands that you plan for those unknowns when kids are involved.

If this sounded snippy I don't care. You typed that right after me so I am responding. If it was not about me, then you should be a bit more clear about who you are indirectly insulting.
 
And the only one who can judge if a risk being taken is wise is one with a lot more information than is present in any anecdote posted in an anonymous internet forum.......

but I thought med students were all knowing? 🙄

hehe...I second what you said.
 
Sold my BMW and cashed out the savings account.

A boatload of opportunity costs...turned down two 45K+ jobs to give myself the necessary study time.

Left a secure job 2 years ago to start this process.

26 and not looking to get married anytime soon.

No regrets.
 
I have loads of respect for those that take risks wisely. Some of these sound like gambling with your family.

What you miss is a lack of understanding how a family works.

I didnt gamble, my family did. My wife and all of my kids ~6+ we involved in the decision. Tjey agreed to the sacrifice of eating out, and big Christmas and birthdays, and family vacations because they felt it was worth it.

My journey is not my own. It was made with a full understanding of the cost. That is not gambling.
 
It is gambling with your family. Medicine has broken many MANY families in the past. Like gambling though, you need to set yourself up with the best odds.

Everything we do in life is a gamble and we have no idea how this we really affect our kids. Just look at the news and you see that our children are one breakup or bully encounter away from suicide. We are all making a choice, working ridiculously hard to achieve our goals. We make sacrifices with out family. I have no clue how my kids are going to be treated because we can't buy the nicest things. I don't know what event I will miss because of a test and how important that event will be to my children. I don't know how the stress will make me act when my son punches my daughter and I come down way too hard. Having kids is a gamble and going to med school makes it worse.

So yes, you are gambling with your family, and so am I. My wife is ultra supportive, my kids way excited, but as a father, I can't help but think of the negatives that will potentially come up. And looking at it as gambling helps keep me on my toes and helps me understand the importance of making the right choice. I have everything planned so the sacrifice and the gamble is at a minimum.
 
I'm still reading responses that represent some unwise choices or risks. My wife and I decided years ago that we wouldn't take on ventures unless we could afford to. We consider going into debt to be unwise risk. We didn't always think that way, but for the last 15 years of a 20 year marriage we've had no debt. Our kids' college funds are fully vested and we found out how to do med school at no cost. People talk of using savings and going into further debt when med school is optional; no one is making you do this.

Do something when you can afford to; not before. I realize many will need student loans and if you can afford that in your future then go for it. But will your kids have to forgo you paying for their college or a wedding? What will you spouse have to give up? Sure, you risk a lot to become a doctor, but in the end some will make their families pay more than they should have.

Then again, this is the American way; mortgage your lives to the hilt. When you take these loans you're selling your future selves into slavery. To make your family bear that burden simply isn't good. I couldn't sleep at night with some of the decisions I've seen represented here on this site (not just this thread).
 
I'm still reading responses that represent some unwise choices or risks. My wife and I decided years ago that we wouldn't take on ventures unless we could afford to. We consider going into debt to be unwise risk. We didn't always think that way, but for the last 15 years of a 20 year marriage we've had no debt. Our kids' college funds are fully vested and we found out how to do med school at no cost. People talk of using savings and going into further debt when med school is optional; no one is making you do this.

Do something when you can afford to; not before. I realize many will need student loans and if you can afford that in your future then go for it. But will your kids have to forgo you paying for their college or a wedding? What will you spouse have to give up? Sure, you risk a lot to become a doctor, but in the end some will make their families pay more than they should have.

Then again, this is the American way; mortgage your lives to the hilt. When you take these loans you're selling your future selves into slavery. To make your family bear that burden simply isn't good. I couldn't sleep at night with some of the decisions I've seen represented here on this site (not just this thread).

I understand what you are saying, but this mentality is slightly radical. Most people cannot pay for med school and need loans. I think the "sell yourself into slavery" image is a little drastic. This is life. And you living your life like that doesn't mean the rest of us cannot manage loans, debt, and family happiness. I also don't require the savings to fuly fund my kids' college and my daughter's princess wedding.
 
I understand what you are saying, but this mentality is slightly radical. Most people cannot pay for med school and need loans. I think the "sell yourself into slavery" image is a little drastic. This is life. And you living your life like that doesn't mean the rest of us cannot manage loans, debt, and family happiness. I also don't require the savings to fuly fund my kids' college and my daughter's princess wedding.

Most people are fine with buying homes and cars they can't afford or buying a Big Mac with a credit card. Maybe our mentality is radical, but we have a great life and we sleep like babies at night.

Some of the things stated here truly seem unwise, but it's a great big world with all kinds of people. Your mileage may vary. Carry on.
 
I understand what you are saying, but this mentality is slightly radical. Most people cannot pay for med school and need loans. I think the "sell yourself into slavery" image is a little drastic. This is life. And you living your life like that doesn't mean the rest of us cannot manage loans, debt, and family happiness. I also don't require the savings to fuly fund my kids' college and my daughter's princess wedding.
....The idea that being unable to pay for your child's college and/or wedding is asking an undue sacrifice from them blows my mind. When did this country become so entitled to our parent's money even well into adulthood?
 
....The idea that being unable to pay for your child's college and/or wedding is asking an undue sacrifice from them blows my mind. When did this country become so entitled to our parent's money even well into adulthood?

Those are simply personal examples of things we want for our kids and things that we will absolutely do for them. Fill in you own blank.
 
....The idea that being unable to pay for your child's college and/or wedding is asking an undue sacrifice from them blows my mind. When did this country become so entitled to our parent's money even well into adulthood?

I was born in 1983.

My mom paid for my undergrad, I'll pay for my kids'. It's the way my family is. Ain't that grand?
 
I was born in 1983.

My mom paid for my undergrad, I'll pay for my kids'. It's the way my family is. Ain't that grand?
Which is a personal choice for you to make, and for which your children should be (and I am sure will be) grateful. My comment was responding to the idea that failing to pay for a child's college or wedding is requiring an undue sacrifice from them, hence the comment about an entitled attitude. I lived at home with my parents during undergrad (tuition paid for by scholarships) so I definitely benefited from my parents' generosity myself, but I do not for a minute feel entitled to their support.
 

Valiant attempt at some levity. Didn't get it the first time I read it, then remembered the title of the thread and I chuckled. 😀

For me, the bigger sacrifice would be to continue to slog on in a career I hated until I was debt free and didn't have to take out any loans for med school. I am not programmed to make that kind of sacrifice again. It would be more damaging to my relationship with my husband if I attempted to do that than the burden of repaying med school loans will ever be. That's just me. Others are programmed to do that because they see the value in it. But that doesn't make my choice any more or less wise than someone else's...just different.
 
....The idea that being unable to pay for your child's college and/or wedding is asking an undue sacrifice from them blows my mind. When did this country become so entitled to our parent's money even well into adulthood?

Which is a personal choice for you to make, and for which your children should be (and I am sure will be) grateful. My comment was responding to the idea that failing to pay for a child's college or wedding is requiring an undue sacrifice from them, hence the comment about an entitled attitude. I lived at home with my parents during undergrad (tuition paid for by scholarships) so I definitely benefited from my parents' generosity myself, but I do not for a minute feel entitled to their support.

Again, nothing to do with entitlement. Simply something WE didn't want to sacrifice. I hope this point is clear now.
 
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I left a nice job that afforded a houseboat among other luxuries at age 27. I've invested so much time into damage control of old gpa and new post bacc over the last two years while living on student loans. I don't care how unwise it sounds. $40k debt (plus lost income) is nothing compared to a lifelong burden of wondering why I never pulled the trigger on pursuing my dreams. I know I made the right choice. Those that don't take risks have nothing to gain.
 
I don't really get the discussion of how taking on debt for med school is unwise. Who pays for med school out of pocket? You should make enough post residency to repay your loans and still be able to put aside money for your kids, assuming you spend the rest of your income wisely. I know for my husband and I, we will most likely keep the townhouse we are in right now (that we can afford on his resident salary) until our debt is mostly paid down. If we do that we should be able to save plenty for the other things we care about in life, even with the loan payments.

My parents didn't pay for my AP tests, SAT, ACT, college applications, or any of my undergrad. I worked and paid for most things myself, outside of scholarships. I have no debt besides the mortgage, but my husband has his medical school loans. As long as I come out with less than him, we should be in good shape.

I'm not willing to sacrifice everything for this process. I don't want to come out with an unreasonable amount of debt. I did quit my well-paying and easy job for it and worked as a year for a CNA. But I also took courses at the local CC to save money, and I am willing to go DO in order to stay living in my house. Certainly my relationship will be put at risk but that's why I need to choose my school wisely, to make sure I won't be totally overwhelmed at every moment. School prestige is not important to me, I want to keep my life relatively intact as I go through this journey (at least until residency hits).
 
I'm still reading responses that represent some unwise choices or risks. My wife and I decided years ago that we wouldn't take on ventures unless we could afford to. We consider going into debt to be unwise risk.

Just in case any of these comments about 'unwise risks' and 'gambling' are directed at my post

1. The measure by which you judge others is the measure by which you will be judged

2. We did nothing 'unwise' we are very financially conservative and had a traditional 20% down 30 year loan on our home. How were we to know that we were buying literally the month of the year of the highest point in the bubble. And I might add from that horrible loss we learned. Now in our new home/city we bought aggressively and while everyone else is down we had instant equity that makes up for our Florida loss.

3. We didn't sell so I could go to medical school. We sold because the titanic house was still sinking. Then along came my husbands NEW employer who actually bought the house and gave us a nice big fat signing bonus so we were only out 150K instead of the full 300K. We jumped that sinking ship and it was the best decision we made.

4. You should not judge anyone on this forum. You have no idea all the complexities and nuances that go into their decision making.

I posted the comment about my house to the OP, because if he/she is in a sinking market sometimes it is better to cut your losses. I know this from experience. And to those who are thinking of quitting a job, selling a house, etc... to pursue the med school dream. I don't think you should listen to anyone but yourself. If you think it is a risk worth taking, then take it. You only live once. It's not like you are quitting your job to become a painter (which is far less profitable). You are quitting to become a medical servant, which is both extremely valuable and is pretty much a sure thing in terms of employment. If you don't get in? Try again... or go for another medical filed. You only lose if you don't try - that is my opinion.

I wanted to do this 15 years ago and chose not to because I worried about tuition, opportunity cost, etc. That was one the dumbest decisions I ever made. I wish I had taken the 'risk' and gone back then. But my oldest son is special needs, so I guess it wasn't really an option for me then. He is now 19 so I have more freedom.
 
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Points well put everyone. Some of you act like what I think matters. Relax.
 
Who pays for med school out of pocket?

This is the non-trad forum. More people pay out of pocket than you might expect. In my case, now that the traditional medical school loan rate is a tax deductible 6.8% I'm finding very little justification to take out a medical school loan at all. If I do decide to get a loan, I can certainly find access to capital an after-tax net interest rate better than that.

Getting back to previous issues, one poster seems to think that taking out loans is abhorrent. I think that is a short sighted view. Taking out a loan to purchase something that appreciates in value more than the principle + interest of the loan can be a wise decision.

A medical school education is an asset that can pay enormous dividends. Here in the non-trad forum we are quite conscious of the opportunity costs of going to medical school. But you also have to consider the opportunity costs of NOT going to medical school. The action of not taking out a loan now and not going to medical school now and not becoming a physician (with higher salary) sooner has an opportunity cost too, and it might be a large one.
 
I am aware that this is the non-trad forum, sheesh. Who has 6 figures plus saved up at any age (who is not independently wealthy)? If you are paying for med school out of pocket you are in the minority, even for non trads.
 
It was a rhetorical question. 1% of the population is a millionaire. So what. Most who apply cannot pay out of pocket and use loans, non-trad or otherwise, that was my original point and I stand by it.

(With the context being someone considered taking out loans for med school unwise, but most students do so it is not really considered a risk/sacrifice if it is just part of the package. And I am not going to look up statistics on how many students take out loans to fund med school to defend myself.)
 
It was a rhetorical question. 1% of the population is a millionaire. So what. Most who apply cannot pay out of pocket and use loans, non-trad or otherwise, that was my original point and I stand by it.

(With the context being someone considered taking out loans for med school unwise, but most students do so it is not really considered a risk/sacrifice if it is just part of the package. And I am not going to look up statistics on how many students take out loans to fund med school to defend myself.)

I don't believe taking out loans for med school is always unwise. I just think it's avoidable for many people and when those people don't explore that option then it's unwise. You'd be surprised at how many people are paying out of pocket (I was).

Best of luck to you. And everyone.
 
I'm just curious here, but excepting going to mayo or the military med school, and assuming I don't get a free ride anywhere (I'm not a Q) how do you suppose I would pay for med school out of pocket? Is it really worth cashing out my retirement and home equity on this?
 
I'm just curious here, but excepting going to mayo or the military med school, and assuming I don't get a free ride anywhere (I'm not a Q) how do you suppose I would pay for med school out of pocket? Is it really worth cashing out my retirement and home equity on this?

Good question.
 
Wisdom = a well-ordered financial life. I suppose in one sense. What does that make the Shams Tabrizi. A bum. Or the origin of Rumi's poetic explosion.

Risk. What of Abraham. With the knife to his son's throat. Admittedly a weird story.

The point is. How an individual comes to the seeking of something--an occupation in this case. Is not easily understood on the surface. And the perception of another on this has more to do with the observer than the observed.
 
I'm just curious here, but excepting going to mayo or the military med school, and assuming I don't get a free ride anywhere (I'm not a Q) how do you suppose I would pay for med school out of pocket? Is it really worth cashing out my retirement and home equity on this?

Wisdom = a well-ordered financial life. I suppose in one sense. What does that make the Shams Tabrizi. A bum. Or the origin of Rumi's poetic explosion.

Risk. What of Abraham. With the knife to his son's throat. Admittedly a weird story.

The point is. How an individual comes to the seeking of something--an occupation in this case. Is not easily understood on the surface. And the perception of another on this has more to do with the observer than the observed.

Fully agreed. Again, this is just my opinion. Some of you seem to care far too much about what I think.

PS - extra points for mentioning Rumi and Abraham in the same response. You'd fit right in here at Tulane. We have the most eclectic and fun bunch of people you can imagine.
 
Fully agreed. Again, this is just my opinion. Some of you seem to care far too much about what I think.

PS - extra points for mentioning Rumi and Abraham in the same response. You'd fit right in here at Tulane. We have the most eclectic and fun bunch of people you can imagine.

You all talk weird. Both you and nas. That's one more reason to not apply to Tulane. With any luck I'll be off to the land of Wisconsin in a couple years, where cheese and beer are staples, and jumping around is encouraged on Saturday evenings.
 
You all talk weird. Both you and nas. That's one more reason to not apply to Tulane. With any luck I'll be off to the land of Wisconsin in a couple years, where cheese and beer are staples, and jumping around is encouraged on Saturday evenings.

Good luck in Wisconsin! Never been, but I hear it's nice.
 
Happy cows come from WI. The spent grains from Miller Brewing Co are sold to farmers for their cows.
 
I hear your desire to remain debt free. That's an undervalued trait, and something I've worked to stay all all though undergrad and beyond.
You're argument goes awry when you mistake choosing a career for pursuit of the American dream. Yes, both take you into debt, and yes, debt is bad. But the two are not one and the same.

I'm 26. I have a bachelors degree and have had opportunites making between 32-45K a year. Best case scenario, after working full time and paying for school myself, I can save 10K a year. That's living simply, 12 year old car, paying for school, rent and eating. And sacrificing my evenings and weekends to be able to pull a full time job and 13 credits.
I hope I don't have to do the math to attempt and prove how *****ic it would be to wait and save for X amount of year to save what I need to finish medical school debt free.

If the issue of debt is the end all for you, than good choice, don't go this route. But it's not apples to apples; being a physician and the ability you have to do good, to enlarge your capabilities and care for your children, your mortgage, for other people. "Wisdom" come in many forms and may involve a larger picture than what it appears you cast it as.


I'm still reading responses that represent some unwise choices or risks. My wife and I decided years ago that we wouldn't take on ventures unless we could afford to. We consider going into debt to be unwise risk. We didn't always think that way, but for the last 15 years of a 20 year marriage we've had no debt. Our kids' college funds are fully vested and we found out how to do med school at no cost. People talk of using savings and going into further debt when med school is optional; no one is making you do this.

Do something when you can afford to; not before. I realize many will need student loans and if you can afford that in your future then go for it. But will your kids have to forgo you paying for their college or a wedding? What will you spouse have to give up? Sure, you risk a lot to become a doctor, but in the end some will make their families pay more than they should have.

Then again, this is the American way; mortgage your lives to the hilt. When you take these loans you're selling your future selves into slavery. To make your family bear that burden simply isn't good. I couldn't sleep at night with some of the decisions I've seen represented here on this site (not just this thread).
 
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I'm just curious here, but excepting going to mayo or the military med school, and assuming I don't get a free ride anywhere (I'm not a Q) how do you suppose I would pay for med school out of pocket? Is it really worth cashing out my retirement and home equity on this?
Many med students come from upper middle class backgrounds. There is a significant number of students whose families can afford to pay part or all of their tuition...or even their entire COA. Talk about having the right parents! When I was in my last year of med school, my neighbor, who was a second year, told me she was one of them. Her parents paid for everything, including a nice new car. I always asked if her parents would like to adopt me as her older sister. I was only half joking. 😛

I am a pretty debt averse person myself. I don't think I'd have gone to med school if I had to take out huge six figure loans for it, or if I had to make some of the financial sacrifices that many of you are making with your jobs, houses, retirement accounts, etc. But I'll be the first to say that I was happy enough in my previous career, and being a doctor wasn't as viscerally important to me as it is to many of you. I wanted to do it, but only on certain terms. It was not my lifelong dream, and I might have still walked away altogether had I gotten in somewhere but the cost of that school were too high. My state schools were cheap enough that I didn't expect it to be an issue, even before I knew that I'd have a full scholarship. But of course there are no guarantees, even for getting into state schools. I was applying for post docs even as I was filling out secondaries, and I would for sure not have made a second attempt to apply had the first attempt not worked out for whatever reason.

Here's what weighed so heavily on me: Med school costs enough that if you take out full loans and decide that doctoring isn't for you after all, it's almost certainly too late to change your mind. Your MD or DO is basically worthless unless you do a residency. Your residency will be miserable if you're doing something you hate because you can't afford to quit, and parts of it will be miserable regardless. All of us fantasize about quitting sometimes. I'm extremely fortunate to be in a position where I could afford to walk into my PD's office tomorrow and say thanks, but I'm outta here. Most people can't. So be mindful of the level of commitment you're taking on when you start down this road, because for most people, there ain't no turning back.

That's me, FWIW. And I kind of subscribe to the view that going to med school is not especially "wise" at any age, even more so for nontrads. But who ever said that wisdom trumps all other considerations in all cases? 🙂
 
Many med students come from upper middle class backgrounds. There is a significant number of students whose families can afford to pay part or all of their tuition...or even their entire COA. Talk about having the right parents! When I was in my last year of med school, my neighbor, who was a second year, told me she was one of them. Her parents paid for everything, including a nice new car. I always asked if her parents would like to adopt me as her older sister. I was only half joking. 😛

I am a pretty debt averse person myself. I don't think I'd have gone to med school if I had to take out huge six figure loans for it, or if I had to make some of the financial sacrifices that many of you are making with your jobs, houses, retirement accounts, etc. But I'll be the first to say that I was happy enough in my previous career, and being a doctor wasn't as viscerally important to me as it is to many of you. I wanted to do it, but only on certain terms. It was not my lifelong dream, and I might have still walked away altogether had I gotten in somewhere but the cost of that school were too high. My state schools were cheap enough that I didn't expect it to be an issue, even before I knew that I'd have a full scholarship. But of course there are no guarantees, even for getting into state schools. I was applying for post docs even as I was filling out secondaries, and I would for sure not have made a second attempt to apply had the first attempt not worked out for whatever reason.

Here's what weighed so heavily on me: Med school costs enough that if you take out full loans and decide that doctoring isn't for you after all, it's almost certainly too late to change your mind. Your MD or DO is basically worthless unless you do a residency. Your residency will be miserable if you're doing something you hate because you can't afford to quit, and parts of it will be miserable regardless. All of us fantasize about quitting sometimes. I'm extremely fortunate to be in a position where I could afford to walk into my PD's office tomorrow and say thanks, but I'm outta here. Most people can't. So be mindful of the level of commitment you're taking on when you start down this road, because for most people, there ain't no turning back.

That's me, FWIW. And I kind of subscribe to the view that going to med school is not especially "wise" at any age, even more so for nontrads. But who ever said that wisdom trumps all other considerations in all cases? 🙂

That was brilliantly stated. You've said much of what I had in mind but may have not communicated well.
 
Many med students come from upper middle class backgrounds. There is a significant number of students whose families can afford to pay part or all of their tuition...or even their entire COA. Talk about having the right parents! When I was in my last year of med school, my neighbor, who was a second year, told me she was one of them. Her parents paid for everything, including a nice new car. I always asked if her parents would like to adopt me as her older sister. I was only half joking. 😛

I am a pretty debt averse person myself. I don't think I'd have gone to med school if I had to take out huge six figure loans for it, or if I had to make some of the financial sacrifices that many of you are making with your jobs, houses, retirement accounts, etc. But I'll be the first to say that I was happy enough in my previous career, and being a doctor wasn't as viscerally important to me as it is to many of you. I wanted to do it, but only on certain terms. It was not my lifelong dream, and I might have still walked away altogether had I gotten in somewhere but the cost of that school were too high. My state schools were cheap enough that I didn't expect it to be an issue, even before I knew that I'd have a full scholarship. But of course there are no guarantees, even for getting into state schools. I was applying for post docs even as I was filling out secondaries, and I would for sure not have made a second attempt to apply had the first attempt not worked out for whatever reason.

Here's what weighed so heavily on me: Med school costs enough that if you take out full loans and decide that doctoring isn't for you after all, it's almost certainly too late to change your mind. Your MD or DO is basically worthless unless you do a residency. Your residency will be miserable if you're doing something you hate because you can't afford to quit, and parts of it will be miserable regardless. All of us fantasize about quitting sometimes. I'm extremely fortunate to be in a position where I could afford to walk into my PD's office tomorrow and say thanks, but I'm outta here. Most people can't. So be mindful of the level of commitment you're taking on when you start down this road, because for most people, there ain't no turning back.

That's me, FWIW. And I kind of subscribe to the view that going to med school is not especially "wise" at any age, even more so for nontrads. But who ever said that wisdom trumps all other considerations in all cases? 🙂

It definitely takes a level of commitment that many don't realize.

Is it worth it? Intrinsically speaking, it depends on how well you master and subsequently apply the material.
 
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