How much do MS degrees help?

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Chances are that I will not get any interviews this cycle. Im planning on re-taking the DAT and re-applying next cycle (early). Im starting a MS in biology this Spring and will complete the program by matriculation (assuming I get in). Is anyone is a similiar situation? Does getting a MS degree help your chances much? I have a 3.21 undergrad GPA and figure by getting a Masters it will help me be more competitive. Anyone?
 
Hey There,

I can contribute to this question but there is NO definate answer. You will get a bunch of opinions just like mine. I was looking into the exact same thing due to my first year marks (quite low, 14 courses, was told first year marks don't matter, didn't know I'd be applying to American schools, the list continues). I have spoken to members of a few admissions committees, but I was re-assured applications will not be overlooked due to GPA. Although they say this, NOVA for example, has made cuts based on GPA and not look for the rest or wait for new DAT scores (at least this cycle due to competition). They don't have time to go through 4000 applications for 100 spots and that is understandable. Now what should we do?

This is what I have decided. A Masters of Science will take out 2 years of my life. Not only that, it would increase my debts into a research-intensive program I would not have my heart into every single day. I would basically be filling in time waiting for my dental school application. Not only that, the quality of my work would be poor due to my lack of motivation in the research I would be doing. Dental schools will inevitably still look back at your undergraduate GPA and look for the prereq courses and how you performed. Also they will look at your upper level courses relevant to the dental curriculum.
For schools that are research intensive, it could only HELP you. But to tell you the truth, its not worth 2 years of your life doing something that you don't enjoy (I'm assuming you are passionate about dentistry) and just to compensate for your sub-par GPA. Schools also know that masters programs tend to give out higher marks and the courses taken are not reflective of the dental curriculum as are courses like biochem, physiology, anatomy and such.

What else to do?

Take upper level bios that are relevent to the dental curriculum, get all 4.0's and get a 3.3 GPA (Assuming it won't jump up much due to the amount of courses you already taken) and re-apply. You have the rest of this semester, and next semester to get 4.0 and re-apply, do not waste your time doing a masters. Now, I spoke to many schools I am interested in and they told me that this is the best way to go to improve my application and at the same time better prepare myself for the dental curriculum. To me, this is a better way to prove to an admissions committee you are ready for the dental curriculum.

Along with the improved GPA, you can also score well on the DATs, like atleast 20's and you will be able to get some interviews.

I forgot to mention. I am doing a thesis relevant to dentistry already and it counts for only 8 semester hours (a 2 semester-long course) even tho I spend about 15 hours in the lab on average a week and 5 hours outside of lab as well as 2 hours in lecture. I couldn't double or even triple this amount by pursuing a masters degree especially with my supervisor.

Chances are that I will not get any interviews this cycle. Im planning on re-taking the DAT and re-applying next cycle (early). Im starting a MS in biology this Spring and will complete the program by matriculation (assuming I get in). Is anyone is a similiar situation? Does getting a MS degree help your chances much? I have a 3.21 undergrad GPA and figure by getting a Masters it will help me be more competitive. Anyone?
 
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Thank you for your advice.... Anyone else?
 
In my opinion, it's not the degree itself which is helpful, it's the GPA you get doing the Masters. Take it and get a 4.0, and it shows d-schools you are capable of A-level work. Take it and get less than a 3.6, and you've wasted your time, in my opinion..
 
Unless a lot of growing up has taken place in a relatively short period of time it hard to imagine going from an average undergraduate performance to a 4.0 for an M.S..
 
Just get into a phd program and drop out after you get enough for the MS. Phd programs hate this, but you don't have to pay for the MS this way.

I have no idea if this looks bad tho (prob does), since MS's are usually viewed as Phd dropouts.
 
I plan on doing well..... hopefully
 
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Like I said, everyone will have their own opinions. Maybe graduate studies are different at your school, I am speaking of graduate studies at University of Toronto. Majority of the TA's suck, because they are masters students, don't wanna be there, only doing it to make their med school application better, etc. In engineering, its all about how many papers you produce in the shortest amount of time, which is the MASc that I am familiar with (2 years, both thesis AND courses). Even with the 1 year option, M.Eng, I wouldn't do because its ALL coursework but it prepares you for the workforce, which is pointless for where I wanna be (dental school) and costs a crapload of money.

If you can tell me that you are happy doing your masters, when your passion is to be in dental school, so be it. Thats you 🙂 Profs would love to have you pursue further research studies and do a PhD here at my school, and as such you should consider applying to IBBME at my school. I would love having a TA in my courses with such an attitude. However, I have ruled out that its definately not for me.

Who says you can't do both research and prerequisite courses? I'm doing both and I'm loving it. I'm doing a 3-semester, non-thesis program. Research is getting me some sweet funding, although not as much as if I were doing a thesis, and I feel like I am making a positive contribution to my school, which has put a lot of faith in me in spite of a low undergrad GPA. I will hopefully have a publication at the end of the program, which is the goal that my research professors and I share. In the meantime, I've squeezed in some undergrad courses to help me get into dental school, and I've picked graduate courses that would be relevant to dentistry. Some of the pre-dental classes I've been able to apply the credit toward my graduate degree, although not all. Grad school has also instilled a work ethic in me that I didn't have as an undergrad--after all, I would be ashamed to get a B in a class if undergraduates are getting A's! I'm incredibly busy every day and I'm even working in the lab on some weekends, but I find that I walk around on campus with a big dorky grin on my face because I enjoy grad school so-darn-much. 😀
 
Thank you for your advice.... Anyone else?

I was a year out of undergrad when I decided on dentistry. My undergrad gpa wasn't competitive so I opted to do a M.S. program to boost my gpa. I took graduate classes in biochem, physio, neuro, cell bio, and histo in addition to research for my degree. I was told by both schools that interviewed me this year that my strong performance in these classes was very influential in landing me the interviews, but not the only factor. Also, both schools were very impressed that my program required a thesis (I guess other M.S. programs don't??)

My advice: schedule a meeting with the dean of admissions at your school of choice and get them to review your academic history with you. See if they think a M.S. program would help make you more competitive. Good luck! 😀
 
Chances are that I will not get any interviews this cycle. Im planning on re-taking the DAT and re-applying next cycle (early). Im starting a MS in biology this Spring and will complete the program by matriculation (assuming I get in). Is anyone is a similiar situation? Does getting a MS degree help your chances much? I have a 3.21 undergrad GPA and figure by getting a Masters it will help me be more competitive. Anyone?
i am in the same exact situation!!:scared:
i have a below 3 gpa, and my dat is 4 days away. i was thinking if i score super high i will apply this year. but im very doubtful that this will happen. so as an alternative i am considering a really short and easy MS degree in biology to boost up my gpa or applying for an oral biology ms degree. does the major in your graduate studies make a difference? i mean its obvious that oral biology is superior to biology when applying to D-schools, but how about bio chem vs biology?
 
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