How much do you study during 3rd year?

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M1 right now. Just curious to see more of what 3rd year is like. I know everyone is different but how many hours a day do you study after a shift? And how much time do you study over the weekend days?

are you studying constantly during the rotation or just ramp up more studying closer to the shelf exam?

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It depends on the rotation and generally people ramp up studying over the weeks leading up to the shelf. For instance, medicine and surgery are pretty busy so you have less time to study. But the plus side is that you're pretty much studying while you're in the hospital because you're actually doing as opposed to just reading. It's a different type of learning that takes some time to get used to. You're learning stuff that you don't even know you're learning just by being present and watching others/doing.

In lighter rotations, you'll have more time to do other stuff since you'll have weekends as well. So for those rotations, people generally study in the weekend before their shelf exam and then sporadically through the rest of the rotation. You still have time to do some research on the side if you want (don't do stuff that requires you to be physically somewhere at specified times).
 
Usually studied 1-2 hours each day, with 1 day off generally. My approach was making a strict plan at the beginning of the rotation, dividing anki cards/Qbank questions so that I would cover all the content about 7-10 days before the shelf to ramp down and leave time for review/practice tests. The best advice I'd give is to just make a plan beforehand, if you try to wing it you're much more likely to just jump around and be inconsistent when the hours start to wear you down
 
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M1 right now. Just curious to see more of what 3rd year is like. I know everyone is different but how many hours a day do you study after a shift? And how much time do you study over the weekend days?

are you studying constantly during the rotation or just ramp up more studying closer to the shelf exam?

You're familiar with M1 where you probably have monthly exams that make up your grades as well as a few other things. In M3, as you probably know, you are contributing to patient care as the lowest on totem pole of a medical team. You will rotate through all major specialties of medicine. Your duties will consist of assuming responsibility for 1-3 patients by knowing all the details about their health, taking their histories/examining them, documenting that, and then taking a stab at what should be done for the patient with guidance from residents and attendings. Based on your performance, you are given a subjective evaluation by the attendings +/- residents often quantified with likert scores. Then at the end of your rotation, you are given a "shelf exam" which is an NBME Subject exam for that field (Subject Examinations | NBME). There are practice ones available online and they loosely correlate to what you see in the USMLE World Step 2 CK Question Bank that you will have undoubtedly have bought at that point. Ultimately, your clinical grades in these specialties (Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail) is some combination of the evaluations, your shelf score, and perhaps anything else the clerkship director decides to account for. This will be outlined in the clerkship syllabus that you should be made aware at the beginning of the rotation.

Some attempt a pragmatic approach and dichotomize things by trying their hardest to appease residents/attendings during their clinical work and then spend their time outside of clinical rotations doing UWorld questions to prepare for NBME subject exams. Each student's approach is different depending on their goals, strengths, and it also heavily depends on the way the grading system is set up at each school. Often even within a school, different clerkships have different policies so how you honor OB/GYN may be different from how you honor IM.

In summary, students spend the time on the wards developing their clinical reasoning skills through doing clinical work. When they come home, they either dedicate more time to topics they learnt that day or prepare for the shelf by doing question banks. Some also read review books like "Case Files" which can provide an overview into various diseases and their management. The most stressful thing about it is that you don't have as much control over the process as you'd think. Clinical evaluations are ultimately subjective and your shelf scores are about how good of a test taker you are than how much you studied. At the same time I'm not encouraging a nihilistic approach as learning the clinical reasoning and disease management for the specialties is important to success and you can maybe increase your NBME scores a few points by familiarizing yourself with a few details. The NBMEs however rely on a series of fundamental knowledge that goes back to your Step 1 knowledge and what you learnt in your M1/2 didactics (pesky things like visual fields and Webber/Rinne for Neuro)

Here's a really good guide that hopefully you can look at when this becomes more of a focus for you: FindersFee5's guide to clinical rotations

To answer your question about time spent, I think most students at my place came home, did some UWorld, read a bit about their patients and called it a night so there's like no reason one should be staying up long hours. The only time sleep deprivation becomes an issue is when you're expected to be at work ready to go at 5:30 AM and you get home at 6 PM and you want to study for the shelf, read up on patients, and have other commitments (research) on top of that.
 
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You're familiar with M1 where you probably have monthly exams that make up your grades as well as a few other things. In M3, as you probably know, you are contributing to patient care as the lowest member on the totem pole of a medical team. You will rotate through all major specialties of medicine. Your duties will consist of assuming responsibility for 1-3 patients by knowing all the details about their health, taking their histories/examining them, documenting that, and then taking a stab at the management of said patients with final input from your upper levels. Based on your performance, you are given a subjective evaluation by the attendings +/- residents. Then at the end of your rotation, you are given a "shelf exam" which is an NBME Subject exam for that field (ex. Pediatrics, etc.). There are practice ones available online and they loosely correlate to what you see in the USMLE World Step 2 CK Question Bank that you will have undoubtedly have bought. Ultimately, your clinical grades in these specialties (Honors, High Pass, Pass, Fail) is some combo of the evaluations and your shelf score.

Some attempt a pragmatic approach and dichotomize things by trying their hardest to appease residents/attendings during their clinical work and then spend their time outside of clinical rotations doing UWorld questions. Each student's approach is different depending on their goals, strengths, and it also heavily depends on the way the grading system is set up at each school. Often within a school, different specialty rotations have different syllabi so honors is attainable without a high shelf score vice versa.

In summary, students spend the time on the wards developing their clinical reasoning skills through doing clinical work. When they come home, they either dedicate more time to topics they learnt that day or prepare for the shelf by doing question banks. Some also read review books like "Case Files" which can provide an overview into various diseases and their management. The most stressful thing about it is that you don't have as much control over the process as you'd think. Clinical evaluations are ultimately subjective and your shelf scores are about how good of a test taker you are than how much you studied. At the same time I'm not encouraging a nihilistic approach as learning the clinical reasoning and disease management for the specialties is important to success.

Here's a really good guide that hopefully you can look at when this becomes more of a focus for you: FindersFee5's guide to clinical rotations

This. Our shelf exam is worth 35% of our grade on surgery for example. If you spent all or most of your time studying for the shelf and didn’t focus on reading up on patients and putting in the time there, you wouldn’t do very well no matter how high you scored on the shelf.
 
Usually studied 1-2 hours each day, with 1 day off generally. My approach was making a strict plan at the beginning of the rotation, dividing anki cards/Qbank questions so that I would cover all the content about 7-10 days before the shelf to ramp down and leave time for review/practice tests. The best advice I'd give is to just make a plan beforehand, if you try to wing it you're much more likely to just jump around and be inconsistent when the hours start to wear you down
My study plan is basically this as well, but usually no days off because I hate having to catch up on Anki cards.
 
Eh, there are far less cards in Step 2 decks than Step 1 so it only takes me 30-40 minutes a day to do all reviews + 50 news.

Yeah doesn’t take too long. I do 50 news a day and the reviews, and it takes me about that.
 
Took me 57 mins to do my 50 new cards and my reviews, but I kept falling asleep lol
Does that include total time doing the cards or just the total time answering each card? Most days I'm within 40-60 cards the total amount but sometimes it takes me much minutes longer because of reading the notes within the cards, editing them, etc..
 
Does that include total time doing the cards or just the total time answering each card? Most days I'm within 40-60 cards the total amount but sometimes it takes me much minutes longer because of reading the notes within the cards, editing them, etc..

Just answering. But there aren’t a ton of notes in the m3 cheesy Dorian deck so reading the card is like 5-10 seconds tops. Usually 1-2.
 
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probably 3-4 hours a day, but I knock an hour to an hour and a half of that while in the hospital (ipad anki for the win) takes me about 2-2.5 hours to do my anki reviews, 10 min for my news (84 a day on IM right now, kill me) and then 1.5 hours to do Uworld questions and review

On the weekends I study all day, but that is typically with a 6 hour break to go on a hiking/caving/eat pizza rolls and cry session.

Keep in my mind I study a lot more than my classmates and therefore have less freetime, but that's because I'm kinda dumb, and have never figured out how to study smart, so I just try to study hard.

It's way better than M1-M2, but the onus is on you way more than in previous years. If you aren't proactive with you learning attendings will leave you high and dry, and honestly with how busy they are its your own damn fault.
 
M1 right now. Just curious to see more of what 3rd year is like. I know everyone is different but how many hours a day do you study after a shift? And how much time do you study over the weekend days?

are you studying constantly during the rotation or just ramp up more studying closer to the shelf exam?
2-3 hours on average with the amount increasing as shelves approached. Maybe 6-7 hours per day on weekends.
 
Does that include total time doing the cards or just the total time answering each card? Most days I'm within 40-60 cards the total amount but sometimes it takes me much minutes longer because of reading the notes within the cards, editing them, etc..

Also forgot to include the time it takes to do uworld. I do 10 questions a day, but that doesn’t take very long.
 
How much free time do y'all usually get (depending on the rotation) after you get the Anki and UW q's out of the way? Definitely excited for 3rd year in a couple months.
 
How much free time do y'all usually get (depending on the rotation) after you get the Anki and UW q's out of the way? Definitely excited for 3rd year in a couple months.
Because I did Anki, I had a ton of free time for semester when reviews were low. I could take whole weekends off with only an hour of studyin, it was great.

now it’s barely none tbh. Sunup to sundown I study.

IM ends next week though so hopefully the load will decrease
 
Because I did Anki, I had a ton of free time for semester when reviews were low. I could take whole weekends off with only an hour of studyin, it was great.

now it’s barely none tbh. Sunup to sundown I study.

IM ends next week though so hopefully the load will decrease
Oh wow, I hope your load goes down after IM. What does "studying" during 3rd year usually entail? Watching like BnB/OME videos and doing questions or is there like much more other busy work you gotta do?
 
How much free time do y'all usually get (depending on the rotation) after you get the Anki and UW q's out of the way? Definitely excited for 3rd year in a couple months.
Depends on the rotation like you said. When on a heavy inpatient month, some days I get home at 6 or 7 and then have to be back by 7 the next day. I am working a week straight right now. When on outpatient, it can be pretty chill. 9-5 or even 9-3 in some cases.
 
Oh wow, I hope your load goes down after IM. What does "studying" during 3rd year usually entail? Watching like BnB/OME videos and doing questions or is there like much more other busy work you gotta do?
Typically it was whatever cards were needed to finish the deck a week or so before the exam, then do questions for 10 days. much more streamlined than preclinical

I use OME only when I need a refresh on a topic. You’re step 1 knowledge is the foundation of 3rd year, and youd be surprised how much it comes into play and makes studying easier
 
Haha free time. I sometimes finish my anki during the work day, but tbh they treat me like an intern in clinic so I’m seeing as many patients as I want and doing all the notes for them. So I do the bulk of my anki and uworld at home and then just read through recall and some books on any down time. I am on surgery and have about 3 hours in the evening to hang out with family, eat and do anki. I got out super early at 4:30 one of the days and actually got to eat dinner with my family.

I have this weekend totally off though so I’m trying to hang out and then just spend a little time studying.
 
Usually studied 1-2 hours each day, with 1 day off generally. My approach was making a strict plan at the beginning of the rotation, dividing anki cards/Qbank questions so that I would cover all the content about 7-10 days before the shelf to ramp down and leave time for review/practice tests. The best advice I'd give is to just make a plan beforehand, if you try to wing it you're much more likely to just jump around and be inconsistent when the hours start to wear you down
You’re telling me (and the rest of SDN) that you would ONLY study 1-2 hours a day and would finish through UWORLD questions for a rotation AND the anki cards.
I am suspect.
 
You generally will find time to study when you can. Remember, you're learning just by being there and paying attention. Studying from the books is just to reinforce that and to address some stuff that you may not see.
 
Damn. I stopped doing Anki in M3.

I feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot. I just do uworld and comquest for like 30 min to an hour each day. Have usually gotten 100-108 on each. Meh.
 
You generally will find time to study when you can. Remember, you're learning just by being there and paying attention. Studying from the books is just to reinforce that and to address some stuff that you may not see.
I don’t know what kind of rotations you are doing but you’re sounding like you don’t need to spend that much time studying. There’s plenty that I don’t see or get exposure to. If I didn’t do hundreds of questions I’d surely fail my shelf exams.

And i dont know literally anyone who can pass a shelf, let alone honors with so heavily relying on things they learned throughout the clinic/hospital shift.!
 
Thank you. These people Im hearing 1-2 hours a day and taking multiple weekends off sound absurd to me.
It's not absurd. Everyone needs a different level of studying to accomplish their particular goals. I probably study 2-3 hours and it's enough.
 
I study 2-3 hours a day with Anki and UWorld but this isn't continuous studying, this is when I get time in the hospital. Usually when I get home, I mayyyybe have one more hour left of UWorld to finish. Psych was much less than this, Surgery was maybe more of this. IM was definitely more because there are so many UWorld questions (which I didn't finish, I just finished them during family medicine which worked out fine). As being essentially useless to the medical team (I know, you're not supposed to say this but its true), I have a lot of 10 minute spurts of down time where I try to get Anki out of the way and still be on top of what's going on with my patients. But like many other people said, if you honor clinically, even if you just pass your shelf, you will still likely honor the rotation. At my school, shelf exams are worth maximum 25%. I mostly study with anki so hard so I don't look like an idiot on rounds/in clinic. Also it's helpful for step 2
 
Studying on weekends during M3? What? WHAT?????

I've been getting by just fine not doing that. I've only honored 2 clerkships and gotten high pass for the rest, though, but I don't really care about COMATS that much.

Ultimately do what you need to meet your goals. I just feel it has to be stated whether the people doing 6 hours on a weekend are gunning for surgical subspecialty or what.
 
I study alot less during 3rd year for multiple reasons.1) you get more efficient with your time 2) I care less about honoring and okay with HP
 
Studying on weekends during M3? What? WHAT?????

I've been getting by just fine not doing that. I've only honored 2 clerkships and gotten high pass for the rest, though, but I don't really care about COMATS that much.

Ultimately do what you need to meet your goals. I just feel it has to be stated whether the people doing 6 hours on a weekend are gunning for surgical subspecialty or what.
I don't really study on the weekends other than doing my anki reviews and I've still honored 4 rotations...honoring is SO subjective and is 100% about the team that you're with so theres no use trying to study a million hours a week in order to honor, because thats not what gets you the H.

Like Osteosaur said, no need to study on the weekends just enjoy that you actually have time to do fun things in the day which at least for me, was a nice change from M1/M2
 
Studying on weekends during M3? What? WHAT?????

I've been getting by just fine not doing that. I've only honored 2 clerkships and gotten high pass for the rest, though, but I don't really care about COMATS that much.

Ultimately do what you need to meet your goals. I just feel it has to be stated whether the people doing 6 hours on a weekend are gunning for surgical subspecialty or what.

I do uworld on the weekends, but only like 20 questions each day. Takes me like 20-25 mins tops.
 
I don't really study on the weekends other than doing my anki reviews and I've still honored 4 rotations...honoring is SO subjective and is 100% about the team that you're with so theres no use trying to study a million hours a week in order to honor, because thats not what gets you the H.

Like Osteosaur said, no need to study on the weekends just enjoy that you actually have time to do fun things in the day which at least for me, was a nice change from M1/M2
Sometimes people study for more than just an Honors.... like ...to understand a person’s disease; not to hop on a golden soapbox; but I’m sure that sentiment was ingrained somewhere deep in your post hah
 
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