How much does pedigree matter for top residencies?

[gyngyn]

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Btw, in terms of NYC, NYU has the advantage of being in an excellent neighborhood with a famous county hospital (Bellevue) just a few blocks away.

It's easy to forget that entitlement also extends to patients. Not all of them realize that it is an honor to be part of the learning process, particularly in private hospitals.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

It's easy to forget that entitlement also extends to patients. Not all of them realize that it is an honor to be part of the learning process, particularly in private hospitals.

Are you referring to the "I don't want med students and residents around" attitude?

 

[gyngyn]

Are you referring to the "I don't want med students and residents around" attitude?

You might be surprised how common it is. Even fellows are thrown out by strangely entitled patients who don't seem to realize that they may have more training than their private physician.

 

[Essee]

Are you kidding me?!! Cleveland is a jewel!
Also, Hopkins, Penn, and Columbia are not in the most desirable areas.
I really don't know what this ratio is. It was nice to get some examples though.

Obligatory Cleveland video:




edit: when I visited Case, I actually didn't think Cleveland was *that* bad 😛

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

You might be surprised how common it is. Even fellows are thrown out by strangely entitled patients who don't seem to realize that they may have more training than their private physician.

I live in Manhattan. The entitlement here is analogous to the skyline...
Although, the bolded part of your comment is even shocking to me.

 

[gyngyn]

I live in Manhattan. The entitlement here is analogous to the skyline...
Although, the bolded part of your comment is even shocking to me.

Believe it.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

Obligatory Cleveland video:




edit: when I visited Case, I actually didn't think Cleveland was *that* bad 😛

I was waiting for someone to post this. Maybe @TotalDomination saw Cleveland on a good day- when it was frozen over.

 

[masaraksh]

Someone forgot MGH/Harvard/Brigham/BIDMC

Also, UVA is pretty high up and is in a really nice college town.

 

[masaraksh]

Cleveland Clinic is SOOOOOO nice though! And it seems like the neighborhood near it is nice (and somewhat cheap too)

 

[fahimaz7]

This seems to be the consensus (at least among premeds) on SDN. And yet, when I look at the list of current residents on some of these prestigious residency programs' websites, I see very very few students not from top 20 med schools. So I would tend to think pedigree matters more than people want to admit. It's much easier to gloss over a red flag or two when you're interviewing a Harvard student...

I ranked Stanford 6th. Mass General Hospital 9th. Beth Isreal Dec. 10th. Vanderbilt 15th. I turned down Emory and UCSF.

There are plenty of personal reasons that drive residency selection. The same people who like living in Boston will likely be the same ones who apply to MGH/BID/BMC and rank it high on their list. For me, I had little interest in paying 3k/month for rent while in residency.

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

I chose a full ride to "the worst" top 20 over my top 5 choices. Responses to my questions/concerns can be found at:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...ram-from-a-non-top-25-medical-school.1073026/

Thanks for sharing this. I know nothing about matching into IM programs, although I've met quite a few ppl from Sinai over the years (med students, residents, fellows, attendings, researchers etc) and the feedback about the school/hospital has been overwhelmingly positive. You'll be happy with your choice.

 

[xavier.jr]

New York Examples:
NYU and NYU-HJD-very desirable locations
Cornell/HSS/MSK- very desirable location
Sinai- right on Central Park, although the overall area is not as nice as the above 2

California:
UCLA- Westwood is nice
UCSD- resort
Stanford- breathtaking
(Don't know much about the areas around UCSF and UC-Davis)

Midwest:
Northwestern is supposed to be in a really nice area.
Wash U- in a nicer part of St. Louis (Central West End)

South:
Baylor and the TMC seem to be in a nice enough area.
Vanderbilt: sadly, I've never been to Nashville, but heard it's a beautiful campus/area

Can you provide more than 7 examples that support your argument?

UCSF - varies because it's spread out across the city. But overall - breathtaking/very desirable.
Baylor/TMC is in a nice part of Houston.
UTSW - within walking distance of prostitution district in Dallas. (slight sarcasm, but seriously).
Columbia Presbyterian - I was scared.

 

[NickNaylor]

UCSF - varies because it's spread out across the city. But overall - breathtaking/very desirable.
Baylor/TMC is in a nice part of Houston.
UTSW - within walking distance of prostitution district in Dallas. (slight sarcasm, but seriously).
Columbia Presbyterian - I was scared.

Gotta defend UTSW since I spent every summer in college working there: the surrounding area is certainly not the greatest, but it's also very close (<5 mins) to a ton of excellent restaurants as well as <10 mins away from some really great places in Dallas. Harry Hines definitely isn't, uh, the best, but compared to larger urban centers (e.g., Chicago, NYC) it's a cake walk. Having now lived on the south side of Chicago for three years, Harry Hines is a breeze.

 

[xavier.jr]

Gotta defend UTSW since I spent every summer in college working there: the surrounding area is certainly not the greatest, but it's also very close (<5 mins) to a ton of excellent restaurants as well as <10 mins away from some really great places in Dallas. Harry Hines definitely isn't, uh, the best, but compared to larger urban centers (e.g., Chicago, NYC) it's a cake walk. Having now lived on the south side of Chicago for three years, Harry Hines is a breeze.

Completely agree with you; not as bad as some other places. Spent 10 years working there! 🙂 The zoning is definitely patchy. There are excellent places within 10 min driving distance, but the walking radius...it's no south side, but could fit "desirable" status if it were in the Highland/University Park area or uptown.

 

[Greenberg702]

Thanks for sharing this. I know nothing about matching into IM programs, although I've met quite a few ppl from Sinai over the years (med students, residents, fellows, attendings, researchers etc) and the feedback about the school/hospital has been overwhelmingly positive. You'll be happy with your choice.

Thanks for the info. Their IM matches look pretty good this year so hopefully I'll be OK on that front:
Pitt, MGH (x2), Brigham, UCLA, UT Southwestern, Duke, NYU (x2), Yale, Baylor, Penn, Einstein, Sinai (x10) w/ 2 research tracks

 

[DocConk]

Iowa's Carver College of Medicine has a beautiful location, relative to the Midwestern schools mentioned on this thread. I don't know why I'm mentioning this either.