How much of an effect does being URM do for an application?

[Iamthep]

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To your other points, racism (like race itself) is a completely socially constructed, historically dependent phenomenon. Let's dissect what that means:

It's socially constructed because there is no biological basis to race. Ask a scientist. Across all major differing characteristics, major studies have shown that there is more individual-individual variation within a group than group-group variation (with respect to groups of race and nationality, for example).

Otherwise known as Lewontin's Fallacy. Race is genetic. If it wasn't then you couldn't reliably predict race from genetic information. But you can. Easily.

If you know enough math you may understand this link.. But I doubt you do, or you wouldn't have fallen for the fallacy.

Of course it doesn't say anything about the intelligence of races, but we still shouldn't be spreading obviously false information.

 

[HoltMD]

Otherwise known as Lewontin's Fallacy. Race is genetic. If it wasn't then you couldn't reliably predict race from genetic information. But you can. Easily.

If you know enough math you may understand this link.. But I doubt you do, or you wouldn't have fallen for the fallacy.

Of course it doesn't say anything about the intelligence of races, but we still shouldn't be spreading obviously false information.

 

[Dires]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=888650

This is for general URM status (It was my opinion to make 50% = competitive):

If you are AA: [3.5, 22.5], [3.4, 23], [3.3, 23.5], [3.2, 24], [3.11, 25] = 50%

If you are Hispanic/Latino: [3.5, 24.5], [3.4, 26], [3.3, 27.5], [3.2, 28], [3.11, 29]= 50%

White: [3.5, 29.5], [3.2, 36] = 50%

Asian: [3.5, 31], [3.2, 36] = 50%

In terms of GPA and MCAT you will still be competitive if you have lower numbers. But, then again I defined competitive to be 50%...

 

[Arbor Vitae]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=888650

This is for general URM status (It was my opinion to make 50% = competitive):

If you are AA: [3.5, 22.5], [3.4, 23], [3.3, 23.5], [3.2, 24], [3.11, 25] = 50%

If you are Hispanic/Latino: [3.5, 24.5], [3.4, 26], [3.3, 27.5], [3.2, 28], [3.11, 29]= 50%

White: [3.5, 29.5], [3.2, 36] = 50%

Asian: [3.5, 31], [3.2, 36] = 50%

In terms of GPA and MCAT you will still be competitive if you have lower numbers. But, then again I defined competitive to be 50%...

 

[plumazul]

LOL, what's the expression:

"There are lies, damn lies and then there's statistics"

 

[jhamaican]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=888650

This is for general URM status (It was my opinion to make 50% = competitive):



If you are AA: [3.5, 22.5], [3.4, 23], [3.3, 23.5], [3.2, 24], [3.11, 25] = 50%

If you are Hispanic/Latino: [3.5, 24.5], [3.4, 26], [3.3, 27.5], [3.2, 28], [3.11, 29]= 50%

White: [3.5, 29.5], [3.2, 36] = 50%

Asian: [3.5, 31], [3.2, 36] = 50%

In terms of GPA and MCAT you will still be competitive if you have lower numbers. But, then again I defined competitive to be 50%...

I really hope I am reading this wrong...
So basically being born black/hispanic gives you +5-8 points on your MCAT simply based on skin color? What a joke... But wait they have more cultural awareness and will enhance your educational experience says lizzy!

I didn't know it was this bad.

 

[HoltMD]

I really hope I am reading this wrong...
So basically being born black/hispanic gives you +5-8 points on your MCAT simply based on skin color? What a joke... But wait they have more cultural awareness and will enhance your educational experience says lizzy!

I didn't know it was this bad.

History shows that white guys tend to shoot people.

 

[plumazul]

I really hope I am reading this wrong...
So basically being born black/hispanic gives you +5-8 points on your MCAT simply based on skin color? What a joke... But wait they have more cultural awareness and will enhance your educational experience says lizzy!

I didn't know it was this bad.

Judging from the rest of your comment, you almost certainly are "reading this wrong".🙁

Being born a URM means that your chances of becoming a doctor are very very low, WRT what current demographics would have projected. That's what URM means!

BTW, would you include a link to the comment you are saying lizzy made. I can't seem to find it.

 

[jhamaican]

History shows that white guys tend to shoot people.

How is this relevant in the slightest to URM advantage?

There are shootings all over the nation by people of all colors. If it was news every time some black shoots their own in west Baltimore it would be all you saw on TV.

 

[TipToad]

Being born a URM means that your chances of becoming a doctor are very very low, WRT what current demographics would have projected. That's what URM means!

This.

 

[jhamaican]

Judging from the rest of your comment, you almost certainly are "reading this wrong".🙁

Being born a URM means that your chances of becoming a doctor are very very low, WRT what current demographics would have projected. That's what URM means!

BTW, would you include a link to the comment you are saying lizzy made. I can't seem to find it.

See, this is where people get confused. All URM means is that your ethnicity/skin color is underrepresented in the current M.D. and medical student population. I know plenty of URM whose parents are well off. Guess what? they are still considered URM. I feel for those Indian and Asian first generation Americans who are held to higher standards simply because of race.

Race should not play a factor in admissions period. However, I could understand if socioeconomic status was included as a selection factor.

edit: Lizzys comment was somewhere in the early pages of this thread. Honestly, all I hear in medical school is:
1. Diversity is enhancing your education. If you don't believe this you are 100% a racist and have 0 cultural competence..They shove this down our throats daily.
2. You are evil if you ever want to make anything above minimum wage practicing medicine. You are a public slave! Don't ever try to make any money practicing medicine - and people wonder why medicine is getting raped by government. Lawyers and Bankers would never let this happen to their profession

edit2: Just to be clear, I am a white male on scholarship at a top 20 medical school, so I don't think I am completely ignorant of how the system works. I guess the biggest issue I have is that they (admissions) try to sugar coat things. I wouldn't mind if they just straight up said here is how we are going to numerically allocate our class racially but they don't. Instead they force it upon you that you are LUCKY to have the privilege to sit next to a URM and that diversity is making your life 2x more fulfilling. Oh and by the way, URMs at my institution get extra tutoring free of charge and take classes ahead of time during summer, for which they get paid.

Getting paid to get tutored and take classes before the rest of the student body? Backwards much? must be nice...

 

[wolfie77]

Otherwise known as Lewontin's Fallacy. Race is genetic. If it wasn't then you couldn't reliably predict race from genetic information. But you can. Easily.

If you know enough math you may understand this link.. But I doubt you do, or you wouldn't have fallen for the fallacy.

Of course it doesn't say anything about the intelligence of races, but we still shouldn't be spreading obviously false information.

LOL. I was GOING to read it but then I realized I wasn't smart enough so I didn't.

So race is genetic? How do you explain the one-drop rule then? Or the racialization of "Mexican" and "Muslim?" Or the fact that someone like Jason Kidd considers himself black?

 

[wolfie77]

See, this is where people get confused. All URM means is that your ethnicity/skin color is underrepresented in the current M.D. and medical student population. I know plenty of URM whose parents are well off. Guess what? they are still considered URM. I feel for those Indian and Asian first generation Americans who are held to higher standards simply because of race.

Race should not play a factor in admissions period. However, I could understand if socioeconomic status was included as a selection factor.

edit: Lizzys comment was somewhere in the early pages of this thread. Honestly, all I hear in medical school is:
1. Diversity is enhancing your education. If you don't believe this you are 100% a racist and have 0 cultural competence..They shove this down our throats daily.
2. You are evil if you ever want to make anything above minimum wage practicing medicine. You are a public slave! Don't ever try to make any money practicing medicine - and people wonder why medicine is getting raped by government. Lawyers and Bankers would never let this happen to their profession

edit2: Just to be clear, I am a white male on scholarship at a top 20 medical school, so I don't think I am completely ignorant of how the system works. I guess the biggest issue I have is that they (admissions) try to sugar coat things. I wouldn't mind if they just straight up said here is how we are going to numerically allocate our class racially but they don't. Instead they force it upon you that you are LUCKY to have the privilege to sit next to a URM and that diversity is making your life 2x more fulfilling. Oh and by the way, URMs at my institution get extra tutoring free of charge and take classes ahead of time during summer, for which they get paid.

Getting paid to get tutored and take classes before the rest of the student body? Backwards much? must be nice...

I can tell that you, on the other hand, are going to be an absolute pleasure to sit next to. So

 

[jhamaican]

I can tell that you, on the other hand, are going to be an absolute pleasure to sit next to. So

Wolfie77, worry about getting in first 🙂

No need for personal attacks

 

[wolfie77]

Child, worry about getting in first 🙂

No need for personal attacks

I'll be okay. My numbers are good for any demographic and I'm proud of my EC's. So I'm not too worried.

I should have been less indirect. My bad. What I was trying to get at is the fact that you're going to contribute to a hostile environment for URM students. I mean, as much as you can attempt to hide your feelings, I'm sure that if you feel as strongly against (some) of their presences on your campus, it will shine through. That kind of attitude on your part breeds resentment in URMs, and for good reason. No matter what they achieve, they will always be questioned and second-guessed because some will think they don't deserve what they earned in life.

 

[jhamaican]

I'll be okay. My numbers are good for any demographic and I'm proud of my EC's. So I'm not too worried.

I should have been less indirect. My bad. What I was trying to get at is the fact that you're going to contribute to a hostile environment for URM students. I mean, as much as you can attempt to hide your feelings, I'm sure that if you feel as strongly against (some) of their presences on your campus, it will shine through. That kind of attitude on your part breeds resentment in URMs, and for good reason. No matter what they achieve, they will always be questioned and second-guessed because some will think they don't deserve what they earned in life.

I agree with you 100%. I have no direct dislike for URM individuals. It is the system that I despise. If I was a URM myself, I would definitely check that box! However, I can't help it if I resent those around me who are getting special treatment when everyone is working so hard. I have never once said something in real life but if probably bleeds through subconsciously like you suggest, and I know for a fact that I am not alone.

I do think it is too bad, but I think these steps would have alleviate some of the URM hate that radiates among pre-meds and medical students.

1. Make it socioeconomic
2. Be more upfront with racial quotas in classes. This whole URM thing is like the elephant in the room.
3. make everyone on a level playing ground once medical school starts.

 

[wolfie77]

I am pretty sure you meant to say "for no good reason"

I agree with you 100%. I have no direct dislike for URM individuals. It is the system that I despise. If I was a URM myself, I would definitely check that box! However, I can't help it if I resent those around me who are getting special treatment when everyone is working so hard. I have never once said something in real life but if probably bleeds through subconsciously like you suggest, and I know for a fact that I am not alone.

I do think it is too bad, but I think these steps would have alleviate some of the URM hate that radiates among pre-meds and medical students.

1. Make it socioeconomic
2. Be more upfront with racial quotas in classes. This whole URM thing is like the elephant in the room.
3. make everyone on a level playing ground once medical school starts.

1. No. The disparities are RACIAL, not income-based. Racial solutions to racial problems.
2. I agree. I truly like quotas. They are honest and they would help truly reflect the patient population. However, the supreme court doesn't like these.
3. How do you mean, specifically?

 

[jhamaican]

1. No. The disparities are RACIAL, not income-based. Racial solutions to racial problems.
2. I agree. I truly like quotas. They are honest and they would help truly reflect the patient population. However, the supreme court doesn't like these.
3. How do you mean, specifically?

1. Race and income may be more tightly intertwined than you think. But there are exceptions and this URM thing punishes those exceptions. I will just tell you from personal experience, if you keep the quotas racial, there will always be resentment. Just the way it is. Maybe less resentment if admissions are willing to be more straightforward but it will still be present.

3. URMs at my institution get paid to take classes ahead of the rest of the student body the summer before school starts. In addition, they get free tutoring not offered to the rest of the student body. I think it is pretty self-evident how this creates a lot of animosity towards these URMs.

You are never going to change these racial problems by gifting admissions to those with sub-par stats. The issue is a cultural one and needs to be fixed at the root of the problem. You may have more black doctors, but there will still be resentment because everyone knows the playing field was not level.

 

[Parklife]

Honestly,

the answer to all this URM business is to conduct a scholarly study. Let's see if these URM that just get in because they're black or hispanic prove to be equal, better, or worse physicians compared to the white or asian physician. Measure malpractice, board scores, and attrition rates. Control for socioeconomic background and age while you're at it.

Then we'll finally have our answer. Is URM fair? No, but this is America.

 

[wolfie77]

1. Race and income may be more tightly intertwined than you think. But there are exceptions and this URM thing punishes those exceptions. I will just tell you from personal experience, if you keep the quotas racial, there will always be resentment. Just the way it is. Maybe less resentment if admissions are willing to be more straightforward but it will still be present.

3. URMs at my institution get paid to take classes ahead of the rest of the student body the summer before school starts. In addition, they get free tutoring not offered to the rest of the student body. I think it is pretty self-evident how this creates a lot of animosity towards these URMs.

You are never going to change these racial problems by gifting admissions to those with sub-par stats. The issue is a cultural one and needs to be fixed at the root of the problem. You may have more black doctors, but there will still be resentment because everyone knows the playing field was not level.

3. It would astound me if you asked to be a part of these programs at the school and were denied. All it would take is some comfort with the diversity office on ur part.

What do u mean by " the issue is cultural?"

- typing from my phone

 

[Arbor Vitae]

See, this is where people get confused. All URM means is that your ethnicity/skin color is underrepresented in the current M.D. and medical student population. I know plenty of URM whose parents are well off. Guess what? they are still considered URM. I feel for those Indian and Asian first generation Americans who are held to higher standards simply because of race.

Race should not play a factor in admissions period. However, I could understand if socioeconomic status was included as a selection factor.

edit: Lizzys comment was somewhere in the early pages of this thread. Honestly, all I hear in medical school is:
1. Diversity is enhancing your education. If you don't believe this you are 100% a racist and have 0 cultural competence..They shove this down our throats daily.
2. You are evil if you ever want to make anything above minimum wage practicing medicine. You are a public slave! Don't ever try to make any money practicing medicine - and people wonder why medicine is getting raped by government. Lawyers and Bankers would never let this happen to their profession

edit2: Just to be clear, I am a white male on scholarship at a top 20 medical school, so I don't think I am completely ignorant of how the system works. I guess the biggest issue I have is that they (admissions) try to sugar coat things. I wouldn't mind if they just straight up said here is how we are going to numerically allocate our class racially but they don't. Instead they force it upon you that you are LUCKY to have the privilege to sit next to a URM and that diversity is making your life 2x more fulfilling. Oh and by the way, URMs at my institution get extra tutoring free of charge and take classes ahead of time during summer, for which they get paid.

Getting paid to get tutored and take classes before the rest of the student body? Backwards much? must be nice...

Don't just jump into an argument without reading what was said before. It's not about economic status at all. It's about having doctors of Black, Hispanic, and Native American origin to serve their communities. You don't see Whites or Asians rushing to serve these people.

 

[sibitrum]

Don't just jump into an argument without reading what was said before. It's not about economic status at all. It's about having doctors of Black, Hispanic, and Native American origin to serve their communities. You don't see Whites or Asians rushing to serve these people.

This is not a very strong argument. The people who face the greatest barriers to access to healthcare (and especially specialists) are those who live in very rural areas, not people of a specific race. If you are living in an urban area in the US, then you will be within a bus/train ride of whatever medical services you need. Now, if you don't have insurance, that will obviously hinder access wherever you live. However, that is not something to be addressed via affirmative action.

 

[LizzyM]

Who among you would like to wake up tomorrow and discover that overnight your skin had turned black, your hair had turned kinky and your nose was twice its previous width? A check of your bank balance would find that nothing has changed there, you still had the same level of education and the same wealth you had the night before but now you presented yourself to the world as a black person. How would this change in outward appearance change the way the world would treat you? What effect might you have on police officers who see you driving down a suburban street? What happens when you walk into a high end clothing store or an electronics store or, dare I say, a casual restaurant known for round-the-clock breakfasts?

Do you ever wish you could be black for one day so that you could enjoy all the wonderful perks of being a black person in America?

 

[wolfie77]

Who among you would like to wake up tomorrow and discover that overnight your skin had turned black, your hair had turned kinky and your nose was twice its previous width? A check of your bank balance would find that nothing has changed there, you still had the same level of education and the same wealth you had the night before but now you presented yourself to the world as a black person. How would this change in outward appearance change the way the world would treat you? What effect might you have on police officers who see you driving down a suburban street? What happens when you walk into a high end clothing store or an electronics store or, dare I say, a casual restaurant known for round-the-clock breakfasts?

Do you ever wish you could be black for one day so that you could enjoy all the wonderful perks of being a black person in America?

I know what you're getting at Lizzy and I'm with you. However, the anti-URM crowd is going to find a way to rationalize their hate for a system that at least strives to undo injustice.

 

[tn4596]

Who among you would like to wake up tomorrow and discover that overnight your skin had turned black, your hair had turned kinky and your nose was twice its previous width? A check of your bank balance would find that nothing has changed there, you still had the same level of education and the same wealth you had the night before but now you presented yourself to the world as a black person. How would this change in outward appearance change the way the world would treat you? What effect might you have on police officers who see you driving down a suburban street? What happens when you walk into a high end clothing store or an electronics store or, dare I say, a casual restaurant known for round-the-clock breakfasts?

Do you ever wish you could be black for one day so that you could enjoy all the wonderful perks of being a black person in America?

If everything else is the same, yea sometimes i wish i was black. I would be pretty darn close to 100% guaranteed a spot in med school and i would be picked over other people whenever at basketball games. I have never seen a clean-shaven, decently dressed black man being treated any differently.

 

[Syfte3]

I always thought that to be URM you had to be Black, Mexican American, mainland Puerto Rican, or Native American. Then I ran into this thread,

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=670994&highlight=hispanic+-urm.

That says that that's outdated and it's up to each school to what they consider to be URM. I was wondering if being Cuban would make me URM and if that would affect my application this cycle? I thought it wouldn't but now I'm not so sure. 😕

 

[wolfie77]

If everything else is the same, yea sometimes i wish i was black. I would be pretty darn close to 100% guaranteed a spot in med school and i would be picked over other people whenever at basketball games. I have never seen a clean-shaven, decently dressed black man being treated any differently.

Implicit in this statement is the idea that black people bring discrimination on themselves. That if they would just dress like "we" want them to dress and act like "we" want them to act, "they" wouldn't have any issues.

Come on now....

 

[kpcrew]

I don't know what it's like for other people, but I'm unhappy with being judged to a higher standard for arbitrary reasons that have to do with circumstances completely unrelated to me. It's true that I've never been black. But I've also never been a part of the system that is apparently holding black people down either. The only story I'm familiar with is of Asian immigrants coming to America with nothing but the clothes on their back, working hard to provide a better life for their children.

 

[LizzyM]

I always thought that to be URM you had to be Black, Mexican American, mainland Puerto Rican, or Native American. Then I ran into this thread,

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=670994&highlight=hispanic+-urm.

That says that that's outdated and it's up to each school to what they consider to be URM. I was wondering if being Cuban would make me URM and if that would affect my application this cycle? I thought it wouldn't but now I'm not so sure. 😕

It is up to each school. If they feel that there is a shortage of Cuban physicians to meet the needs of Cuban patients in the area served by the school's alumni (which could be "the entire country") then they might view you as bringing a rare characteristic to the table. If Cuban med students are a dime a dozen in your area and there are numerous Cuban and Cuban-American physicians, then not so much.

 

[tn4596]

Implicit in this statement is the idea that black people bring discrimination on themselves. That if they would just dress like "we" want them to dress and act like "we" want them to act, "they" wouldn't have any issues.

Come on now....

"Some" black people does reinforced "stereotypes" on themselves. Discrimination is unheard of. All I am saying is, if everything is the same, and my skin turns black, and I am presenting myself to the world in the same manner, noone is going to treat me differently.

 

[wolfie77]

I don't know what it's like for other people, but I'm unhappy with being judged to a higher standard for arbitrary reasons that have to do with circumstances completely unrelated to me. It's true that I've never been black. But I've also never been a part of the system that is apparently holding black people down either. The only story I'm familiar with is of Asian immigrants coming to America with nothing but the clothes on their back, working hard to provide a better life for their children.

When you come to a society, you have to deal with its history and its bulls*it as much as you get to take advantage of its opportunities. For better or worse, American society has wronged certain segments of its population, and (unlike many other countries) it's doing it's best to undo past wrongs.

We can't wipe our hands of responsibility just because we are recent immigrants. We are ALL part of the same society.

 

[Syfte3]

It is up to each school. If they feel that there is a shortage of Cuban physicians to meet the needs of Cuban patients in the area served by the school's alumni (which could be "the entire country") then they might view you as bringing a rare characteristic to the table. If Cuban med students are a dime a dozen in your area and there are numerous Cuban and Cuban-American physicians, then not so much.

Thanks for the info!

 

[altamont850]

"Some" black people does reinforced "stereotypes" on themselves. Discrimination is unheard of. All I am saying is, if everything is the same, and my skin turns black, and I am presenting myself to the world in the same manner, noone is going to treat me differently.

Your joking, right?

Even if you carry yourself in a certain manner, there are still people who will treat and think of you differently merely because you have black skin.

 

[kpcrew]

Bad things have happened to many people. Those with power always oppress those without. Should Irish students get a bump for the discrimination they faced in the 19th century? Where is the advantage for Chinese applicants because of the exploitation of their labor effected by the railroad and mining industries?

 

[tn4596]

Your joking, right?

Even if you carry yourself in a certain manner, there are still people who will treat and think of you differently merely because you have black skin.

A minority of people who
1) are afraid to speak out/act on it because they will be flamed in real life by the majority of other people
2) kept their thoughts to themselves - I cant possibly carry on my life worrying about what EVERYONE think about me
3) actually act on it and this is the result: -more fun for me
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RUxfcPzoJY[/YOUTUBE]

also, do you think there is no asian and white stereotypes?

 

[altamont850]

Bad things have happened to many people. Those with power always oppress those without. Should Irish students get a bump for the discrimination they faced in the 19th century? Where is the advantage for Chinese applicants because of the exploitation of their labor effected by the railroad and mining industries?

I understand your argument but it is not without flaw. If you objectively examine the geopolitical stage, the African continent has been perceptually raped and pillaged while its inhabitants have been subject to bondage.

Although the groups you've mentioned (Chinese, Irish) have been subjected to injustices, there representative homelands have, for the most part, thrived in recent history. African Americans were forcibly removed from their motherland while it was ravaged to the point of near destruction.

African Americans (and Africans) have just recently become autonomous to the point where they can effectively establish institutions which benefit their interests.

 

[tonguetalker]

If everything else is the same, yea sometimes i wish i was black. I would be pretty darn close to 100% guaranteed a spot in med school and i would be picked over other people whenever at basketball games. I have never seen a clean-shaven, decently dressed black man being treated any differently.

This is not true... Im a tutor and I work inside the homes of my clients. The police was once called on me because someone saw a black man enter into a white persons home... Let me also tell you it was my birthday and I was quite well dressed.

 

[altamont850]

A minority of people who
1) are afraid to speak out/act on it because they will be flamed in real life by the majority of other people
2) kept their thoughts to themselves - I cant possibly carry on my life worrying about what EVERYONE think about me
3) actually act on it and this is the result: -more fun for me
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RUxfcPzoJY[/YOUTUBE]

also, do you think there is no asian and white stereotypes?

Most of the stereotypes against AA's are upheld by Caucasians and these stereotypes often draw on the assumption that AA's are somehow subhuman. I think many people will agree with me when I say that the stereotypes against whites/Asians are mostly benign.

 

[tonguetalker]

A minority of people who
1) are afraid to speak out/act on it because they will be flamed in real life by the majority of other people
2) kept their thoughts to themselves - I cant possibly carry on my life worrying about what EVERYONE think about me
3) actually act on it and this is the result: -more fun for me
[YOUTUBE]8RUxfcPzoJY[/YOUTUBE]

also, do you think there is no asian and white stereotypes?

I feel like unless you've ever been black, you really do not know. People WILL treat you differently just for no other reason that they want to be ignorant. Police will follow you and ask you questions out of the blue. You can be walking down the street and people will throw racial slurs for no reason. It's just the world we live in. Just because you dont see it does not mean that it does not exist.

 

[tn4596]

This is not true... Im a tutor and I work inside the homes of my clients. The police was once called on me because someone saw a black man enter into a white persons home... Let me also tell you it was my birthday and I was quite well dressed.

You are not telling the whole story. If someone saw you entering a house and then call the police. They must have seen you openning the door yourself and know that you do not live there. If I saw something like that, I would call the police regardless of the person's races. I have a hard time believing that someone saw the resident openning the door for you, then still call the police. That doesnt add up.

 

[altamont850]

Many people on this forum are intelligent but some things require knowledge. You can hone intelligence with study, but knowledge is born from experience. It is impossible to truly know the black experience unless you've lived as a black person.

 

[tonguetalker]

You are not telling the whole story. If someone saw you entering a house and then call the police. They must have seen you openning the door yourself and know that you do not live there. If I saw something like that, I would call the police regardless of the person's races. I have a hard time believing that someone saw the resident openning the door for you, then still call the police. That doesnt add up.

No. I rang the door bell like any ordinary person would and waited to be let in.

And see that's the thing, in someone's mind, a black person going into the house of a white person doesnt add up period and that is all they see. What surprised me is that the police actually came.

 

[LizzyM]

You are not telling the whole story. If someone saw you entering a house and then call the police. They must have seen you openning the door yourself and know that you do not live there. If I saw something like that, I would call the police regardless of the person's races. I have a hard time believing that someone saw the resident openning the door for you, then still call the police. That doesnt add up.

At one time, maybe 15 years ago, my husband had male employees who worked within people's homes. If he had a black employee working in some affluent neighborhoods, he would notify the police station that he had a black employee who would be driving through that neighborhood and who would be working at x address. This is north of the Mason Dixon line in a "blue state".

Have you ever heard of getting pulled over for DWB?

 

[wolfie77]

Bad things have happened to many people. Those with power always oppress those without. Should Irish students get a bump for the discrimination they faced in the 19th century? Where is the advantage for Chinese applicants because of the exploitation of their labor effected by the railroad and mining industries?

I don't see the Irish or the Chinese face close to the same level of active racial hate and job discrimination that black Americans face today. The Irish became part of white America over the years, while the Chinese were not here in very large numbers when they faced horrible discrimination and oppression. Most of today's Chinese are not the descendants of those that worked on the railroad and therefore do not come from the kind of oppression that America's blacks have felt. However, today's black population is descended from people once considered property.

Did you know that the American Medical Association did not allow black members up until the 60's? And that they actively discouraged their membership well into the 80s?

 

[tn4596]

No. I rang the door bell like any ordinary person would and waited to be let in.

And see that's the thing, in someone's mind, a black person going into the house of a white person doesn't add up period and that is all they see. What surprised me is that the police actually came.

Sorry to hear that tonguetalker, it sounds like you got a raw deal.
Lizzy, I am quite familiar with DWB. I also feel that it is generally used as an excuse because it is easier to blame it on the color of your skin than to admit that you violated the laws. I won't go further to dispute that AA encountered absolutely no hardships in America. I know some unfortunate events do happen, but not without consequences. For example, Rodney King (RIP) get mistreated and discriminated and he ended up with substantial reparations. The fact is that blacks are not being discriminated and mistreated left and right everywhere I go. Discrimination is happening so infrequently that I am not even aware of it in today's society. You posed a hypothetical situation: maybe a genie pops out from a lamp and gives me the option to change my skin to black. As a premed, I would be foolish not to take the deal.

 

[altamont850]

Sorry to hear that tonguetalker, it sounds like you got a raw deal.
Lizzy, I am quite familiar with DWB. I also feel that it is generally used as an excuse because it is easier to blame it on the color of your skin than to admit that you violated the laws. I won't go further to dispute that AA encountered absolutely no hardships in America. I know some unfortunate events do happen, but not without consequences. For example, Rodney King (RIP) get mistreated and discriminated and he ended up with substantial reparations. The fact is that blacks are not being discriminated and mistreated left and right everywhere I go. Discrimination is happening so infrequently that I am not even aware of it in today's society. You posed a hypothetical situation: maybe a genie pops out from a lamp and gives me the option to change my skin to black. As a premed, I would be foolish not to take the deal.

You do realize that the world is not limited to what you see and experience(i.e. you subjective viewpoint)?

I been in situations where someone is stopped for DWB and let me assure you that these incidents are unwarranted.

 

[tn4596]

You do realize that the world is not limited to what you see and experience(i.e. you subjective viewpoint)?

Let's say you are right. Where you live, black people get discriminated like in the 50s, and where I live, there is little to no discrimination. My choice would still be the same because then I would be accepted to my local med school.

You cant seriously think you are being "discriminated" and "mistreated" based on your skin color everywhere you go. Idk where you live but that is hardly believable. If that is true, you should probably relocate.

 

[altamont850]

Let's say you are right. Where you live, black people get discriminated like in the 50s, and where I live, there is little to no discrimination. My choice would still be the same because then I would be accepted to my local med school.

You don't get out much, do you?

 

[Yonko Shanks]

True Story: I went fishing with a white friend of mine and my girlfriends father. Now they are both white skin fellow, while I am a bit darker (half cuban, half african). So we stopped at this country club to ask for directions because we had no clue where we were. I went up to this white guy and asked him Where I could find a nice decent restaurant to eat some fish. His response was: Well boy, there is a restaurant up that way but I doubt you could afford that. He then continued by pointing me to the nearest taco bell. I was dumfounded by his remark, so I went back to my car told my white friend to go out there and ask the same person the same question. He offered to show my friend where the place was... Being darker makes things difficult..

 

[tn4596]

True Story: I went fishing with a white friend of mine and my girlfriends father. Now they are both white skin fellow, while I am a bit darker (half cuban, half african). So we stopped at this country club to ask for directions because we had no clue where we were. I went up to this white guy and asked him Where I could find a nice decent restaurant to eat some fish. His response was: Well boy, there is a restaurant up that way but I doubt you could afford that. He then continued by pointing me to the nearest taco bell. I was dumfounded by his remark, so I went back to my car told my white friend to go out there and ask the same person the same question. He offered to show my friend where the place was... Being darker makes things difficult..

Not sure if serious.

You don't get out much, do you?

non sequitur. I dont go out much because I want to save money and also want to go to a great school locally?