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So I applied late, have 6 interviews so far. I feel very grateful for that.

But I wonder, and I hope someone who has been through the application process before can answer, at what point do I stop hoping more invites come in?

Is it common to get more interviews during October or November? There are still a few places I'd like to hear from...
 

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I hope somebody could answer that question because in my case, I have not received any interviews yet. So, I was wondering if this is still considered normal taking into consideration that I'm a IMG with previous clinical experience (2 years in general surgery) in a prestigious program.
 

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I got invites last year as late as late October/early November so you still have time




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I got invites last year as late as late October/early November so you still have time




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Thanks for the reply. I had been getting one or two per day since submitting. Yesterday was the first day I didn't get anything. Got a few again today to some good programs.

Follow up question: What's the general wisdom in how many programs to rank for Family Medicine
 
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Keep in mind many applicants will be canceling their interviews come January so an invite that late is not out of the question.
 

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SLC where are you hoping to go? I have read many of your advice posts as a premed and am hoping for the best for you! I am just starting out at Miller in Miami, but I am thinking already FM is the way I will be going.
 

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SLC where are you hoping to go? I have read many of your advice posts as a premed and am hoping for the best for you! I am just starting out at Miller in Miami, but I am thinking already FM is the way I will be going.

I've got apps all over the west, and a few in the midwest.

My goal would be to stay in Utah or Oregon.
 

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Rank all of the programs you would be happy to train at, and only those. If that sounds to 20, pick 20; if 5, pick 5.

This is unless there are red flags in your app, or you feel you didn't interview well anywhere.
 

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Rank all of the programs you would be happy to train at, and only those. If that sounds to 20, pick 20; if 5, pick 5.

This is unless there are red flags in your app, or you feel you didn't interview well anywhere.

Good advice I'm sure. But do you have any input on how many program ranks are generally advised to best ensure a match?
 

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Good advice I'm sure. But do you have any input on how many program ranks are generally advised to best ensure a match?

Take a look at Charting outcomes in the match 2014, specifically page 86 of the document (or 91 of pdf) : http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf

As AMG:

Rank 3 programs and you have a 90% chance of matching
Rank 10 programs and you have about 98% chance of matching
Rank 15 programs > 99% chance of matching
etc.

In general just rank as many as you go on unless you hate it so much you'd rather take your chances in the SOAP/not match, the more you rank the better your chances of matching
 

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Take a look at Charting outcomes in the match 2014, specifically page 86 of the document (or 91 of pdf) : http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf

As AMG:

Rank 3 programs and you have a 90% chance of matching
Rank 10 programs and you have about 98% chance of matching
Rank 15 programs > 99% chance of matching
etc.

In general just rank as many as you go on unless you hate it so much you'd rather take your chances in the SOAP/not match, the more you rank the better your chances of matching

Thanks, I appreciate your reminding me of that info. I seemed to have forgotten charting outcomes had just what I was looking for.

One final (and related) question. A lot of my interviews are at places that seem to offer a lot of invites. Should I still follow the guidelines that beyond 10 ranks is a virtual guarantee of matching?
 

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Thanks, I appreciate your reminding me of that info. I seemed to have forgotten charting outcomes had just what I was looking for.

One final (and related) question. A lot of my interviews are at places that seem to offer a lot of invites. Should I still follow the guidelines that beyond 10 ranks is a virtual guarantee of matching?

No problem.

That's tough to say, I'm a 4th year also so I wish I had the answer to that too but I don't think anyone can tell us because everyone's case will be different depending on your application and where you are applying. Pure speculation, but I imagine many programs interview a lot of applicants because they often need to go deep down their rank list to fill, so if you show your interest and rank that program first you probably stand a good chance of getting in.

Bottom line, the numbers should be reassuring that we will match somewhere with 10+ ranks, but if you want to play it even safer, then rank more and make sure not all of your ranks are the super competitive (relatively because this is still FM) programs.
 
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No problem.

That's tough to say, I'm a 4th year also so I wish I had the answer to that too but I don't think anyone can tell us because everyone's case will be different depending on your application and where you are applying. Pure speculation, but I imagine many programs interview a lot of applicants because they often need to go deep down their rank list to fill, so if you show your interest and rank that program first you probably stand a good chance of getting in.

Bottom line, the numbers should be reassuring that we will match somewhere with 10+ ranks, but if you want to play it even safer, then rank more and make sure not all of your ranks are the super competitive (relatively because this is still FM) programs.

Fair enough. I have 8 invites so far, I'll hope for a few more. I feel relatively confident about one though.
 
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Should I be concerned that I haven't heard from a couple of my top programs in my home state yet? Or is it common for programs to send out invites all the way through October. I ask because I have heard from a lot of programs out of my state.
 

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Should I be concerned that I haven't heard from a couple of my top programs in my home state yet? Or is it common for programs to send out invites all the way through October. I ask because I have heard from a lot of programs out of my state.

I have only heard from half my instate programs, and one of them I did a sub-I. The two I have yet to hear from are probably the two most selective with respect to DO applicants.
 
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I have only heard from half my instate programs, and one of them I did a sub-I. The two I have yet to hear from are probably the two most selective with respect to DO applicants.

I see. The programs I haven't heard from don't seem particularly selective about taking DOs. Should I contact them?
 

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I see. The programs I haven't heard from don't seem particularly selective about taking DOs. Should I contact them?

Not sure, I wish I knew for sure. I'm rotating in one of the hospitals I still havent heard from (in a non-FM field), and I'm trying to decide if I should just stop by the residency office and introduce myself; or if that would be too forward.
 
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So far it's been 3 working days since the dean's letters (MSPE) were released. If I were a program director at a good program I'd wait to send an interview invite until after I had time to review that letter.

Meanwhile it's my understanding that on an away rotation you're supposed to try to get your interview to happen while you're onsite. At least introduce yourself to the program director as an applicant who is rotating this month and gosh is there any chance you could interview me while I'm here?

Best of luck y'all.
 

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So far it's been 3 working days since the dean's letters (MSPE) were released. If I were a program director at a good program I'd wait to send an interview invite until after I had time to review that letter.

Meanwhile it's my understanding that on an away rotation you're supposed to try to get your interview to happen while you're onsite. At least introduce yourself to the program director as an applicant who is rotating this month and gosh is there any chance you could interview me while I'm here?

Best of luck y'all.

Yeah, I'm afraid of that. Somehow despite getting high pass and honors virtually across the board, I slipped into the bottom half to bottom quarter of my class during 3rd year.

I was generally about 0.3 points or so from honors pretty consistently; and seeing that our school doesn't share what qualifies as honors with the preceptors, mine wouldn't have known what to do to make honors other than give me perfect marks across the board. We are graded on a scale of 1-5 on a variety of criteria and the average of the scores determines our grade. It's also geared heavily toward the evaluation. To the point where I could miss honors on the eval by 0.001 point, and honor the shelf with a score 2-3 SD above the mean and I'd still get a High-Pass.

On my most recent eval, from my FM sub-I, the faculty member complained about our evaluation forms saying the criteria didn't represent what they use to critique students, and that he didn't feel like it was a good tool. Then he asked me what qualified as honors and when I tried to explain that it was based on an average of the scores on the eval he just said "can I just write that you honored according to our criteria in the comments?" I told him to go ahead; result: high-pass by numbers, with the comment that I honored according to their standards.

This process is turning into a real drag...
 

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I'm pretty nervous here.

I have only gotten two interviews so far. I did my first interview today and it felt like it went really well.

I only applied to 11 programs (9 FM, 2 IM) due to geographic considerations. I haven't gotten any rejections yet though.

I'm a US allopathic medical student. I have a big red flag of having to repeat a basic science year due to failing grades. I've done well since then, and passed Steps first time... But only two interviews so far is pretty unsettling. Only one of the programs I'm applying to is a big name university (and surprisingly is one that I got an interview for). The others are smaller programs that take many IMGs.
 

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So is it standard to get a rejection letter if a program isn't going to offer an interview? Should I be expecting either interview offers or rejections, or can it be that you just never hear anything back?
 

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So is it standard to get a rejection letter if a program isn't going to offer an interview? Should I be expecting either interview offers or rejections, or can it be that you just never hear anything back?

Pretty common to not hear anything back from a program. Programs keep a lot of applicants on the backburner for when interview cancellations start rolling in December/January.
 

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So is it standard to get a rejection letter if a program isn't going to offer an interview? Should I be expecting either interview offers or rejections, or can it be that you just never hear anything back?
I never received any rejections but hadn't heard back from about 1/4th of programs by January when I began canceling interviews and withdrawing apps.
 

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So is it standard to get a rejection letter if a program isn't going to offer an interview? Should I be expecting either interview offers or rejections, or can it be that you just never hear anything back?

I've got two rejections so far, from different tracks of the same residency. I'm sure I'll end up never hearing from a few others. All told, I have 14 invites so far though; I'm not sure I'll go on them all.
 
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I still haven't heard from a couple of programs that I really want to interview at. When, if at all, should I consider contacting them about interviewing?
 

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Is it too late to get an interview at this point because MSPE has been released for almost 3 weeks now? When do the interview invites stop?

I have not received any love from out of state residencies? I made the mistake of applying to somewhat-competitive unopposed programs.
 

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Is it too late to get an interview at this point because MSPE has been released for almost 3 weeks now? When do the interview invites stop?

I have not received any love from out of state residencies? I made the mistake of applying to somewhat-competitive unopposed programs.

I got an interview invite a week and a half ago and another one today. I was surprised to continue receiving invites. I would be very surprised to hear back from any others though, unfortunately.
 

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I got an interview invite a week and a half ago and another one today. I was surprised to continue receiving invites. I would be very surprised to hear back from any others though, unfortunately.

I've been getting rejections and "on hold" notices. No invites in about 3 weeks.

Why even send rejections? I kinda figured that if I haven't heard by now they weren't interested.
 
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