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I feel like lately I am getting tons of pages from patient families asking for daily "updates" from the doctor. For some reason hearing it from a case manager isn't good enough. This morning (7 am on a Sunday I'm not on call), nurse pages because a parent is mad she hasn't heard from me since Friday. I carry about 20 inpatients and 25 php plus 6 hours of clinic a day, how exactly are we supposed to call daily. Ok, rant over. I should have done addiction instead of child/adolescent.
 
Almost never. I place my phone in "do not disturb" when I'm not on call and only accept calls from friends/family when I'm not on call. I refuse to carry a pager or company cell, and said I'd quit if they make me. I don't respond to work texts when I'm not on call unless it's urgent, from another doctor, and I feel like it. I did a LOT of traditional call as a student and resident and fellow, and they don't pay me enough to live like that anymore. These kinds ofnonsense calls are a big reason I don't do inpatient.
 
Almost never. I place my phone in "do not disturb" when I'm not on call and only accept calls from friends/family when I'm not on call. I refuse to carry a pager or company cell, and said I'd quit if they make me. I don't respond to work texts when I'm not on call unless it's urgent, from another doctor, and I feel like it. I did a LOT of traditional call as a student and resident and fellow, and they don't pay me enough to live like that anymore. These kinds ofnonsense calls are a big reason I don't do inpatient.

At least with inpatient, though, there's a clear demarcation between who is on call and who isn't. Outpatient can be a little more open-ended. I agree with you, though, in resenting intrusions like this into my life. Huge upside of my community job -- I'm not on call ever and don't even have a phone number or pager number with them.

And yes, chicagochildpsych, you should have done addictions. 🙂 Super happy I didn't do either geriatrics or child because I'm not a fan of dealing with families.
 
You'll have to start educating them that the nurses and social workers are an extension of you. Gently remind them that you have many people wanting the same details and that it would be impossible to give that level of individualized attention to each person because you'd have no time to get any work done and help the number of people you do per day. Slowly, they'll make changes and that questions can be relayed through the staff and you'll do your best to meet everyone's needs.

I rarely get phone calls now and people are pleased with their level of care. Only time I do get phone calls, since I do quite a bit of Geri, is when family members with DLB or some other synucleopathy decompensates and needs to be hospitalized.
 
I feel like lately I am getting tons of pages from patient families asking for daily "updates" from the doctor. For some reason hearing it from a case manager isn't good enough. This morning (7 am on a Sunday I'm not on call), nurse pages because a parent is mad she hasn't heard from me since Friday. I carry about 20 inpatients and 25 php plus 6 hours of clinic a day, how exactly are we supposed to call daily. Ok, rant over. I should have done addiction instead of child/adolescent.

What is wrong with you? You don't have a team of doctors all working on ONE patient like in the show HOUSE?
 
Another interesting tidbit about my job, we are always on call for our inpatients, I tried to make a change, but the docs in this group want to constantly be called about their patients. I might need to find a new job.
 
Yeah, you have to watch out for burnout. Just because they've had this same arrangement and like to micromanage, doesn't mean you need to continue the same unhealthy relationships and work environment.
 
Another interesting tidbit about my job, we are always on call for our inpatients, I tried to make a change, but the docs in this group want to constantly be called about their patients. I might need to find a new job.

ugh. I'm assuming this is in the 'burbs. All the child inpatient work I've done in the city (both in residency and moonlighting at other hospitals) is a constant rotation of the same 30 or so DCFS kids.
 
I'd say 30% cross coverage pages I get during nights are nonsense. "Can you order something for agitation?" Me, "have you tried the PRN that's available?" "No"
 
Do the other docs really give daily updates to all their patients' parents? That does seem like a lot to me, since family discussions can drag on sometimes.
If the case manager is already having daily discussions with the parents, then I would try talking to the case manager about how to manage the parents' expectations.

I hope you are being VERY well compensated, because this does sound like a pretty intense job. Even though I do have a job where I am expected to respond to pages at any time Monday-Thursday, the nurses generally use good judgement about only paging if there is something that legitimately requires an urgent response from the doc and it really isn't that much of a burden.
 
A lot of pages are nonsense, but it the nurses/SWs are paging you regularly because of inappropriate requests from the family, I think that's more a problem with the nurse/SW's impression of when is an appropriate time to page you. Families will always call with questions, and if it's a recurrent thing with multiple families, it's not practical to explain the situation in detail to each family. Instead, the nurse/SW should be telling the family something like "Here is what I can tell you; the (nurse can tell you more about the clinical part) or (social worker can tell you more about the social part)." When they demand to speak with the doctor despite that, they should say something like "The doctor rounds at X o'clock, so if you want to ask questions, the patient will likely be seen by the doctor sometime in the couple of hours after that." They should also be able to triage situations to determine when the issue is significant enough to warrant a page to say "could you please call this family back at your convenience?" or urgent enough to say "the family is waiting on the line for you." And if they do promise the patient that they'll get a call back, they should say something like "I'm not sure if the doctor will be able to call you back today, but he/she will do it as soon as possible" or "the doctor won't be here tomorrow, so you probably won't ge ta call back until (some other day)."
 
"Yes, hello. I have a patient I would like you to see. We have a patient here high on meth with a history of bipolar disorder, we think he is manic. He probably needs psychiatric hospitalization. Can you please evaluate?"

"Hello, I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a 25M here with a history of schizophrenia who was found acting bizarre. He had a full bottle of pills on him so we would like you to evaluate for SI."

"Hello, yes its me again. I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a patient who came in with acute appendicitis and during the course of our interview, he threatened to kill me if I touched his belly again. Can you please evaluate for HI?"
 
"Yes, hello. I have a patient I would like you to see. We have a patient here high on meth with a history of bipolar disorder, we think he is manic. He probably needs psychiatric hospitalization. Can you please evaluate?"

"Hello, I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a 25M here with a history of schizophrenia who was found acting bizarre. He had a full bottle of pills on him so we would like you to evaluate for SI."

"Hello, yes its me again. I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a patient who came in with acute appendicitis and during the course of our interview, he threatened to kill me if I touched his belly again. Can you please evaluate for HI?"
This.
 
"Yes, hello. I have a patient I would like you to see. We have a patient here high on meth with a history of bipolar disorder, we think he is manic. He probably needs psychiatric hospitalization. Can you please evaluate?"

"Hello, I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a 25M here with a history of schizophrenia who was found acting bizarre. He had a full bottle of pills on him so we would like you to evaluate for SI."

"Hello, yes its me again. I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a patient who came in with acute appendicitis and during the course of our interview, he threatened to kill me if I touched his belly again. Can you please evaluate for HI?"

Something I always had to remind the junior residents when I was chief: Just because the ED doesn't know what question to ask, doesn't mean there isn't a question that needs to be asked. The first two in their own sh-tty way are both consults that probably (sadly) require your expertise.
 
"Yes, hello. I have a patient I would like you to see. We have a patient here high on meth with a history of bipolar disorder, we think he is manic. He probably needs psychiatric hospitalization. Can you please evaluate?"

"Hello, I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a 25M here with a history of schizophrenia who was found acting bizarre. He had a full bottle of pills on him so we would like you to evaluate for SI."

"Hello, yes its me again. I have a patient that I would like you to see. This is a patient who came in with acute appendicitis and during the course of our interview, he threatened to kill me if I touched his belly again. Can you please evaluate for HI?"

This probably isn't a great game to play... I'd hate for someone from medicine to make a list of dumb questions they've gotten from psych...
 
Am on a Neuro AI right now. Told them I was going into psych. I got the whole list without further prompting.

I recently had an attending make me call medicine because a psychotic patient kept saying we werent treating her diabetes... We had her on QID finger sticks and her POST meal sugars were never higher than 120. God bless medicine, they were kind as they honored me but she literally had no idea what to say...

Or the time I called because our congenital lung patient desat-Ed to the 70s. The first thing medicine asked me was what are the CPAP settings. All I could think of was "Is ON a setting...?"

In short when people ask questions (as long as it's not blatantly just trying to pass work) I try to educate and help cause God knows I'll be the one asking stupid questions for help soon enough 🙂
 
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I recently had an attending make me call medicine because a psychotic patient kept saying we werent treating her diabetes... We had her on QID finger sticks and her POST meal sugars were never higher than 120. God bless medicine, they were kind as they honored me but she literally had no idea what to say...

Or the time I called because our congenital lung patient desat-Ed to the 70s. The first thing medicine asked me was what are the CPAP settings. All I could think of was "Is ON a setting...?"

In short when people ask questions (as long as it's not blatantly just trying to pass work) I try to educate and help cause God knows I'll be the one asking stupid questions for help soon enough 🙂

my usual response to that when I was a resident when I had to call the other service:

"Hi, this is psych. I have a really stupid consult for you."
 
Am on a Neuro AI right now. Told them I was going into psych. I got the whole list without further prompting.
Well to be honest, I would get pissed too if someone kept consulting to "rule out sub clinical seizure" before committing to a psych dx...
 
Another interesting tidbit about my job, we are always on call for our inpatients,.

I am in a similar arrangement, but not 100% required to be available- in other words, If I am reachable I am supposed to handle things like AMA discharges on my patients, but I am not required to be available when not on call.
 
Or the time I called because our congenital lung patient desat-Ed to the 70s. The first thing medicine asked me was what are the CPAP settings. All I could think of was "Is ON a setting...?"
🙂

Last year I impressed a medicine consultant by discussing a patient's CPAP settings (including mask type- it makes a difference if a pt is on a nasal vs ful face mask) in detail; at that time he didn't know that I was also IM/sleep in addition to psych
 
I don't get pissed about dumb consults from docs, in general I completely understand everyone has hard jobs and wants be be sure they aren't missing something.

Psych nurses on the other hand drive me up the wall, first off many seem to think that a patient laying awake in bed is an urgent situation and they need to be continuously medicated until unconscious.

Second, they all seem to think an aysmptomatic BP of 160/90 in an irritated patient is a medical emergency (and will hammer page asking for clonidine trying to force you to turn it into an actual medical emergency).
 
I don't get pissed about dumb consults from docs, in general I completely understand everyone has hard jobs and wants be be sure they aren't missing something.

Plus, every once in a while you'll get a consult along the lines of "Hey, we have a 19 year old patient on the medical floor who we admitted after he ingested some shrooms. He's now running around the floors naked. Please help."

The entertainment value for those are usually worth getting up at 3AM to have to go deal with it.
 
I feel like lately I am getting tons of pages from patient families asking for daily "updates" from the doctor. For some reason hearing it from a case manager isn't good enough. This morning (7 am on a Sunday I'm not on call), nurse pages because a parent is mad she hasn't heard from me since Friday. I carry about 20 inpatients and 25 php plus 6 hours of clinic a day, how exactly are we supposed to call daily. Ok, rant over. I should have done addiction instead of child/adolescent.
Don't you have to call to get consent for any med changes anyway? I imagine if I did C/A I'd be trying to do all my med changes on the same day.

I also tell the parents/family to come in for a meeting so I can at least get 3-4 RVUs for all that time, but if you have 50+ patients a day there isn't even time for that.
 
This is all quite foreign to me. As an outpatient patient, I can't contact my doctor at all. She just does not do calls--not for emergencies, not for non-emergencies. She has not once returned a phone call to my psychologist who tried to work with her (over the course of years). According to him, that's not atypical for any psychiatrist he's ever tried working with. At my last appointment I explained to her how with my cardiologist I am able to successfully make medication changes because I can ask him about side effects and how to proceed between appointments (he does e-mail). If it weren't for that, I wouldn't be as successful at treating my autonomic issues as I am. I am less successful at making psychiatric medication changes because if I have an effect and am not sure if it something is safe to wait out or not, I have no idea what to do until my next appointment.

So, I came in with what I thought was a fair proposal: I will pay you whatever you want for either an e-mail or phone call between appointments. She said no because she wouldn't know how to work it out at a practical level—she didn't elaborate.

I came in with a video recording I made of the convulsions I started having since my last drop in Valium. I asked her if they were seizures. She said she they were either brain shocks or seizures and that she couldn't tell. I asked her if she could prescribe an ambulatory EEG. She told me to go see a neurologist.

So my visit resulted in nothing, which is how each visit is. A long drive, a co-pay, no results.

I know I'm venting at this point, but I'm sick of seeing a pissed off doctor. She's an unhappy person. The only thing she seems to enjoy talking about are the ways her daughters are so successful and yet put-upon (I know more about her daughters than she does about me) and money. The fact that she enjoys talking about money so much makes me think she's less than scrupulous when it comes to the only medicines which seem to interest her, which aren't even medicines at all, but are supplements. She's been trying to get me on Deplin for over a year claiming it will help with benzodiazepine withdrawal. It's a very, very expensive form of folic acid, a methylated form, which you can buy over the counter in the same form. In fact, the company that makes Deplin (a prescription) also makes an OTC version. Asking her how it works for benzo withdrawal is like asking a crocodile to give you a kiss. She will get pissy and spout some non-medical nonsense. But she actually claims that Deplin will work as well for preventing seizures during withdrawal as Neurontin. OK . . . So I got the MTHFR test which she said I needed--I can't remember why. One gene is completely normal. One gene is heterozygous. She claims I can process NO folic acid--as in none, and that I *need* Deplin (which remember is about $140 a month for FOLIC ACID). So I go home and research it. I see that being heterozygous means nothing clinically. I tell her this and she gets . . . pissy. So this last time I bring a print out from a medical journal which describes how even being homozygous at this gene in a mutated way means almost nothing and that being heterozygous means absolutely nothing. She tells me, "I've heard that bunk before, I don't need to see it. Everyone knows heterozygous is just as bad as homozygous. It's all over the Internet." That's my explanation: It's all over the Internet. She won't even look at the print-out. Since that appointment I have scoured the Internet and not even found an online nut who supports her position let alone an article. It's not that I want to prove her wrong. I actually care about this and am interested. And if she is so sure of this, why doesn't she recognize that I am a data-driven person who loves science and wants to be convinced? Every other doctor I have says things like, "Birchswing, I have this cool new test/device/computer program you're going to want to see." Not with this doctor. I did a $2,000 genetic test without being given a reason for the test, I wasn't even given the results (I had to ask for them), and she can't explain the results other than through her distorted viewpoint that I need Deplin (which was her claim before I took the test). If she honestly believes my MTHFR mutation is so serious she should have called my GP to have him test my homocysteine, as that would be the most meaningful implication of the MTHFR mutation (but again, for my heterozygous mutation, there's no evidence that I'm deficient compared to someone with two normal genes). My psychologist seems to think I should keep seeing her as he thinks the rest are even worse, or I should go to rehab to get off the benzos faster. I don't want to go faster because of the increased risk of prolonged PAWS and because it's a 12 step center that doesn't seem to know much about benzo withdrawal.

I know you all are wonderful doctors who would never addict a child to benzodiazepines, but I get so sick of it I need to vent. I try to be good when I see threads like this or the one about counter-transference. My psychiatrist does not suffer with counter-transference. I walk on eggshells around her and her temperament. I am the one who sits silently as she takes phone calls from her family and doesn't even apologize for it, which is kind of a big deal in a 15 minute appointment.

EDIT: I am not sure if my rant, which I've wanted to express somewhere on the forum but have withheld until now, will be sustained. But to try to generalize this so it could be discussed if anyone wished:

I've often thought I'm difficult but other people don't seem to think so. I've been extremely lucky with the doctors I've had. I would assume I'm a more difficult and/or annoying patient, but with my dentist, cardiologist, GP, etc., I feel like I have good working relationships, and I've been told my assistants and family members who have gone to appointments with me, that there is something about me that these doctors seem to like. I know there is something different about me--I need to understand things very clearly. There are things about myself that even I don't know, but I know I am different, and with other doctors they seem to get that and treat me in a certain way that seems very copasetic.. I have found consistently that this has never applied to my experiences with psychiatrists, whom you would expect to be more humanistic. My very first visit to a psychiatrist was rather a rough ride. I am always being asked to trust blindly with psychiatrists, which I think is what is so different from other doctors. I remember being told I had panic disorder and that I had to take Ativan. I didn't know what it was. I can't remember the moment well, but knowing me, I'm sure I had a million questions of the side effects, etc. I had thought I was going to get to talk about being gay. I was not expecting medication. I do remember what he said, "Do you tell the pilot how to fly the plane? I'm the pilot. I fly this plane." This was in a very thick, intimidating accent. And it's the same today. When I called the rehab center and ask how they do benzo withdrawals, I'm told that I can't know--I have to blindly trust, and I have to 12 step, even though I've never taken a single recreational drug or taken a single prescription other than it's been prescribed exactly. It's come full circle. I have to trust that the medication is safe. And now I have to trust that the unsafe medication's withdrawal is safe, again with no details, just promise of a 12 step program.
 
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This is all quite foreign to me. As an outpatient patient, I can't contact my doctor at all. She just does not do calls--not for emergencies, not for non-emergencies. She has not once returned a phone call to my psychologist who tried to work with her (over the course of years). According to him, that's not atypical for any psychiatrist he's ever tried working with. At my last appointment I explained to her how with my cardiologist I am able to successfully make medication changes because I can ask him about side effects and how to proceed between appointments (he does e-mail). If it weren't for that, I wouldn't be as successful at treating my autonomic issues as I am. I am less successful at making psychiatric medication changes because if I have an effect and am not sure if it something is safe to wait out or not, I have no idea what to do until my next appointment.

So, I came in with what I thought was a fair proposal: I will pay you whatever you want for either an e-mail or phone call between appointments. She said no because she wouldn't know how to work it out at a practical level—she didn't elaborate.

I came in with a video recording I made of the convulsions I started having since my last drop in Valium. I asked her if they were seizures. She said she they were either brain shocks or seizures and that she couldn't tell. I asked her if she could prescribe an ambulatory EEG. She told me to go see a neurologist.

So my visit resulted in nothing, which is how each visit is. A long drive, a co-pay, no results.

I know I'm venting at this point, but I'm sick of seeing a pissed off doctor. She's an unhappy person. The only thing she seems to enjoy talking about are the ways her daughters are so successful and yet put-upon (I know more about her daughters than she does about me) and money. The fact that she enjoys talking about money so much makes me think she's less than scrupulous when it comes to the only medicines which seem to interest her, which aren't even medicines at all, but are supplements. She's been trying to get me on Deplin for over a year claiming it will help with benzodiazepine withdrawal. It's a very, very expensive form of folic acid, a methylated form, which you can buy over the counter in the same form. In fact, the company that makes Deplin (a prescription) also makes an OTC version. Asking her how it works for benzo withdrawal is like asking a crocodile to give you a kiss. She will get pissy and spout some non-medical nonsense. But she actually claims that Deplin will work as well for preventing seizures during withdrawal as Neurontin. OK . . . So I got the MTHFR test which she said I needed--I can't remember why. One gene is completely normal. One gene is heterozygous. She claims I can process NO folic acid--as in none, and that I *need* Deplin (which remember is about $140 a month for FOLIC ACID). So I go home and research it. I see that being heterozygous means nothing clinically. I tell her this and she gets . . . pissy. So this last time I bring a print out from a medical journal which describes how even being homozygous at this gene in a mutated way means almost nothing and that being heterozygous means absolutely nothing. She tells me, "I've heard that bunk before, I don't need to see it. Everyone knows heterozygous is just as bad as homozygous. It's all over the Internet." That's my explanation: It's all over the Internet. She won't even look at the print-out. Since that appointment I have scoured the Internet and not even found an online nut who supports her position let alone an article. It's not that I want to prove her wrong. I actually care about this and am interested. And if she is so sure of this, why doesn't she recognize that I am a data-driven person who loves science and wants to be convinced? Every other doctor I have says things like, "Birchswing, I have this cool new test/device/computer program you're going to want to see." Not with this doctor. I did a $2,000 genetic test without being given a reason for the test, I wasn't even given the results (I had to ask for them), and she can't explain the results other than through her distorted viewpoint that I need Deplin (which was her claim before I took the test). If she honestly believes my MTHFR mutation is so serious she should have called my GP to have him test my homocysteine, as that would be the most meaningful implication of the MTHFR mutation (but again, for my heterozygous mutation, there's no evidence that I'm deficient compared to someone with two normal genes). My psychologist seems to think I should keep seeing her as he thinks the rest are even worse, or I should go to rehab to get off the benzos faster. I don't want to go faster because of the increased risk of prolonged PAWS and because it's a 12 step center that doesn't seem to know much about benzo withdrawal.

I know you all are wonderful doctors who would never addict a child to benzodiazepines, but I get so sick of it I need to vent. I try to be good when I see threads like this or the one about counter-transference. My psychiatrist does not suffer with counter-transference. I walk on eggshells around her and her temperament. I am the one who sits silently as she takes phone calls from her family and doesn't even apologize for it, which is kind of a big deal in a 15 minute appointment.

Her behaviour is complete bullsh#t and you shouldn't have to put up with shoddy treatment like that. You seriously need to find a new Psychiatrist, surely there has to be at least one in your area that is half way competent? I know Psychiatrists have to put with a lot of BS sometimes, but there is no way any Psychiatrist should be behaving like this with a patient.
 
Her behaviour is complete bullsh#t and you shouldn't have to put up with shoddy treatment like that. You seriously need to find a new Psychiatrist, surely there has to be at least one in your area that is half way competent? I know Psychiatrists have to put with a lot of BS sometimes, but there is no way any Psychiatrist should be behaving like this with a patient.
Well I have an appointment with a neurologist now. I'm going to try to position my issues as neurologically oriented (as I do have OCD and Tourette's, as well) and managing benzos is a neurological endeavor in a way and see if he'll be willing to take over. It's a long-shot, but I thought it doesn't hurt to try.

As far as other psychiatrists, most are not willing to do step down benzo treatment. I had seen quite a few before this one and they didn't want to prescribe Valium which is the only one I've been able to step down on. They would say things like Ativan is "cleaner" (which I guess it is in a sense). It's just too hard to cut a half milligram of Ativan at a time, which is the smallest you can get it. Even cutting a .5 mg tablet is too much for me. There really are not that many psychiatrists to go around:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20141015/just-try-getting-an-appointment-with-a-psychiatrist

The one good thing about the psychiatrist I see now is that she is the first who has been willing to let me taper this way. The problem, which was the first one I mentioned, is that I need a lot more reassurance even doing it this way.

BTW, thank you for responding. I was actually coming back to delete my rant, but it's nice to know someone read it, so thank you.
 
This is all quite foreign to me. As an outpatient patient, I can't contact my doctor at all. She just does not do calls--not for emergencies, not for non-emergencies. She has not once returned a phone call to my psychologist who tried to work with her (over the course of years). According to him, that's not atypical for any psychiatrist he's ever tried working with. At my last appointment I explained to her how with my cardiologist I am able to successfully make medication changes because I can ask him about side effects and how to proceed between appointments (he does e-mail). If it weren't for that, I wouldn't be as successful at treating my autonomic issues as I am. I am less successful at making psychiatric medication changes because if I have an effect and am not sure if it something is safe to wait out or not, I have no idea what to do until my next appointment.

So, I came in with what I thought was a fair proposal: I will pay you whatever you want for either an e-mail or phone call between appointments. She said no because she wouldn't know how to work it out at a practical level—she didn't elaborate.

I came in with a video recording I made of the convulsions I started having since my last drop in Valium. I asked her if they were seizures. She said she they were either brain shocks or seizures and that she couldn't tell. I asked her if she could prescribe an ambulatory EEG. She told me to go see a neurologist.

So my visit resulted in nothing, which is how each visit is. A long drive, a co-pay, no results.

I know I'm venting at this point, but I'm sick of seeing a pissed off doctor. She's an unhappy person. The only thing she seems to enjoy talking about are the ways her daughters are so successful and yet put-upon (I know more about her daughters than she does about me) and money. The fact that she enjoys talking about money so much makes me think she's less than scrupulous when it comes to the only medicines which seem to interest her, which aren't even medicines at all, but are supplements. She's been trying to get me on Deplin for over a year claiming it will help with benzodiazepine withdrawal. It's a very, very expensive form of folic acid, a methylated form, which you can buy over the counter in the same form. In fact, the company that makes Deplin (a prescription) also makes an OTC version. Asking her how it works for benzo withdrawal is like asking a crocodile to give you a kiss. She will get pissy and spout some non-medical nonsense. But she actually claims that Deplin will work as well for preventing seizures during withdrawal as Neurontin. OK . . . So I got the MTHFR test which she said I needed--I can't remember why. One gene is completely normal. One gene is heterozygous. She claims I can process NO folic acid--as in none, and that I *need* Deplin (which remember is about $140 a month for FOLIC ACID). So I go home and research it. I see that being heterozygous means nothing clinically. I tell her this and she gets . . . pissy. So this last time I bring a print out from a medical journal which describes how even being homozygous at this gene in a mutated way means almost nothing and that being heterozygous means absolutely nothing. She tells me, "I've heard that bunk before, I don't need to see it. Everyone knows heterozygous is just as bad as homozygous. It's all over the Internet." That's my explanation: It's all over the Internet. She won't even look at the print-out. Since that appointment I have scoured the Internet and not even found an online nut who supports her position let alone an article. It's not that I want to prove her wrong. I actually care about this and am interested. And if she is so sure of this, why doesn't she recognize that I am a data-driven person who loves science and wants to be convinced? Every other doctor I have says things like, "Birchswing, I have this cool new test/device/computer program you're going to want to see." Not with this doctor. I did a $2,000 genetic test without being given a reason for the test, I wasn't even given the results (I had to ask for them), and she can't explain the results other than through her distorted viewpoint that I need Deplin (which was her claim before I took the test). If she honestly believes my MTHFR mutation is so serious she should have called my GP to have him test my homocysteine, as that would be the most meaningful implication of the MTHFR mutation (but again, for my heterozygous mutation, there's no evidence that I'm deficient compared to someone with two normal genes). My psychologist seems to think I should keep seeing her as he thinks the rest are even worse, or I should go to rehab to get off the benzos faster. I don't want to go faster because of the increased risk of prolonged PAWS and because it's a 12 step center that doesn't seem to know much about benzo withdrawal.

I know you all are wonderful doctors who would never addict a child to benzodiazepines, but I get so sick of it I need to vent. I try to be good when I see threads like this or the one about counter-transference. My psychiatrist does not suffer with counter-transference. I walk on eggshells around her and her temperament. I am the one who sits silently as she takes phone calls from her family and doesn't even apologize for it, which is kind of a big deal in a 15 minute appointment.

EDIT: I am not sure if my rant, which I've wanted to express somewhere on the forum but have withheld until now, will be sustained. But to try to generalize this so it could be discussed if anyone wished:

I've often thought I'm difficult but other people don't seem to think so. I've been extremely lucky with the doctors I've had. I would assume I'm a more difficult and/or annoying patient, but with my dentist, cardiologist, GP, etc., I feel like I have good working relationships, and I've been told my assistants and family members who have gone to appointments with me, that there is something about me that these doctors seem to like. I know there is something different about me--I need to understand things very clearly. There are things about myself that even I don't know, but I know I am different, and with other doctors they seem to get that and treat me in a certain way that seems very copasetic.. I have found consistently that this has never applied to my experiences with psychiatrists, whom you would expect to be more humanistic. My very first visit to a psychiatrist was rather a rough ride. I am always being asked to trust blindly with psychiatrists, which I think is what is so different from other doctors. I remember being told I had panic disorder and that I had to take Ativan. I didn't know what it was. I can't remember the moment well, but knowing me, I'm sure I had a million questions of the side effects, etc. I had thought I was going to get to talk about being gay. I was not expecting medication. I do remember what he said, "Do you tell the pilot how to fly the plane? I'm the pilot. I fly this plane." This was in a very thick, intimidating accent. And it's the same today. When I called the rehab center and ask how they do benzo withdrawals, I'm told that I can't know--I have to blindly trust, and I have to 12 step, even though I've never taken a single recreational drug or taken a single prescription other than it's been prescribed exactly. It's come full circle. I have to trust that the medication is safe. And now I have to trust that the unsafe medication's withdrawal is safe, again with no details, just promise of a 12 step program.


Get a new psychiatrist, ASAP.
 
Well I have an appointment with a neurologist now. I'm going to try to position my issues as neurologically oriented (as I do have OCD and Tourette's, as well) and managing benzos is a neurological endeavor in a way and see if he'll be willing to take over. It's a long-shot, but I thought it doesn't hurt to try.

As far as other psychiatrists, most are not willing to do step down benzo treatment. I had seen quite a few before this one and they didn't want to prescribe Valium which is the only one I've been able to step down on. They would say things like Ativan is "cleaner" (which I guess it is in a sense). It's just too hard to cut a half milligram of Ativan at a time, which is the smallest you can get it. Even cutting a .5 mg tablet is too much for me. There really are not that many psychiatrists to go around:

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20141015/just-try-getting-an-appointment-with-a-psychiatrist

The one good thing about the psychiatrist I see now is that she is the first who has been willing to let me taper this way. The problem, which was the first one I mentioned, is that I need a lot more reassurance even doing it this way.

BTW, thank you for responding. I was actually coming back to delete my rant, but it's nice to know someone read it, so thank you.

It seems to me like you want to control exactly how your taper is done and how your medications are prescribed. I get that it's coming from a place of anxiety, but I also see how this might make it hard to have a positive working relationship with a psychiatrist. So you get a provider who is unavailable and seemingly disinterested and yet also willing to prescribe the way you want.
 
EDIT: I am not sure if my rant, which I've wanted to express somewhere on the forum but have withheld until now, will be sustained.
Huh? You have posted on this many times before, so I don't know how you feel this rant has been "withheld until now."
 
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