How terrible is IM residency really

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I was reviewing the FREIDA average residency work hours, and it lists IM at 63.7 per week with 1.2 days off per week and 3.4 weeks off per year.

I'm interested in some IM fellowships (cards for example) but I'm afraid that the residency might quite literally break my spirit if it is upwards of 80 hours. 63.7 hours per week doesn't seem awful if this is accurate.

For any med students interested in pursuing IM fellowships, do you feel similarly?

I would imagine that some IM residencies are cushier than others, but are these generally less "prestigious" programs?

Also, I'm sure intern year sucks really bad but what about PGY-2 and 3?

Any residents, if you could please share your experiences that would be great. Thanks

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I can go into more detail when I have time, but it's not just the residency... if you want to do cards you will train more than ENT or urology to do something that's technically less procedurally proficient. It's such a long road and you're going to be in your third year doing bs rotations in ID when you just want to be a cardiologist. It's easy to get burned out doing that ****.

I mean what if you want to do structural cards? That's 8 years of training. More than a neurosurgeon lmao. The system is stupid.

Was just throwing out cards as an example, you bring up good points. To go into interventional cards isn't that 3 IM + 2-3 cardiology + 2-3 interventional? That's a looong time
 
I mean I'm already crazy so after 9 years of an MD/PhD working like a dog, I figure I'll make it through 6 more years of clinical training (IM + Hem/Onc). I do wish Hem/Onc would just be it's own thing like rad onc lol.
 
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If you aren't dead set on the IM path, like you know for sure you want to do GI, or for sure cards, and if you think you might be just as happy with something else, do it. Believe me, I'm staring down the barrel of 3rd year and I just feel like **** this. I mean I cannot wait to do GI... it was between GI and a different field, and I'm left thinking **** maybe I should've done derm or something lol.

I remember discussions that were had when we were both med students, bro, and you were deciding between GI and that other field. Keep on keepin' on. Remember the reasons you didn't wanna do that other field! One more year and you'll get to do butt stuff all day.

On topic - I wouldn't recommend an IM residency to people who could see themselves doing things other than competitive IM sub-specialties (primarily Cards and GI)
 
I mean I'm already crazy so after 9 years of an MD/PhD working like a dog, I figure I'll make it through 6 more years of clinical training (IM + Hem/Onc). I do wish Hem/Onc would just be it's own thing like rad onc lol.

Nah, Med-Onc can be very useful as the defacto hospitalist for any/most oncology patients, you guys need that experience with general medicine to be primary on these folks.
 
If you aren't dead set on the IM path, like you know for sure you want to do GI, or for sure cards, and if you think you might be just as happy with something else, do it. Believe me, I'm staring down the barrel of 3rd year and I just feel like **** this. I mean I cannot wait to do GI... it was between GI and a different field, and I'm left thinking **** maybe I should've done derm or something lol.

I want to aim for derm but it's so competitive I don't know if I have what it takes to get those step scores. I also don't want to take a research year as I'm a non trad and already "behind"
 
I was reviewing the FREIDA average residency work hours, and it lists IM at 63.7 per week with 1.2 days off per week and 3.4 weeks off per year.

I'm interested in some IM fellowships (cards for example) but I'm afraid that the residency might quite literally break my spirit if it is upwards of 80 hours. 63.7 hours per week doesn't seem awful if this is accurate.

For any med students interested in pursuing IM fellowships, do you feel similarly?

I would imagine that some IM residencies are cushier than others, but are these generally less "prestigious" programs?

Also, I'm sure intern year sucks really bad but what about PGY-2 and 3?

Any residents, if you could please share your experiences that would be great. Thanks

Just to comment on the hours- it's pretty similar across all specialties, especially intern year. You will have some blocks where you really are working 80hrs a week with 2 days off a month and other blocks where you'll be working 40 hrs a week and have nights and weekends off.


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Bro if you want to aim for derm, I don't know why the hell you would do IM lmao. Pick something else that's lifestyle friendly. Do ophtho, doesn't have the residency rigor like the other surgical subspecialties and good mix between clinic/surgery. Radiology?

The fact that you would do derm if you could means that you should seriously consider other fields. If at the end of that you keep coming back to GI or cards, then do it, but only that. You say you're non-trad, but think if you took 3 years off for derm research, you'll finish in about the same time as GI or cards lmao. You will thank me one day. I can already tell you will be happier not doing IM (serious, but don't find and hurt me if it doesn't work out that way)

I actually really wanted to do ophtho but I have been looking in that forum, and the salaries are in the trash. I will have almost 300k in student loans and a starting ophtho makes around 150 apparently. An academic position at Georgetown was posted at 85k salary. I am definitely considering IR. I think the work is really Interesting, salary is high, and field outlook seems to be going up

Edit- I really could see myself in anesthesia but the CRNA takeover makes me feel very worried about the field in 10 years
 
Just to comment on the hours- it's pretty similar across all specialties, especially intern year. You will have some blocks where you really are working 80hrs a week with 2 days off a month and other blocks where you'll be working 40 hrs a week and have nights and weekends off.


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Would that be like ICU rotation versus outpatient medicine in an IM residency?
 
Just to comment on the hours- it's pretty similar across all specialties, especially intern year. You will have some blocks where you really are working 80hrs a week with 2 days off a month and other blocks where you'll be working 40 hrs a week and have nights and weekends off.


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Just reminding the poster that (as any OMNI reader of the 1980's would know) 1/2 the months in a year is 100% greater than 1/4 of the months ... but obviously (or not so) you have progressed "the thread"....
 
... sorry, as citing a magazine title, I believe that should have been italicized ..
OMNI
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(also.. please feel free to question the semantics of that description)
 
Just reminding the poster that (as any OMNI reader of the 1980's would know) 1/2 the months in a year is 100% greater than 1/4 of the months ... but obviously (or not so) you have progressed "the thread"....

Can you please elaborate on this a bit more? Are you referring to the breakdown of how many months will be 80 hours versus how many will be less than 60?
 
IM is cool. It's fun to think about the broad differential diagnoses. However the reality is that I found I was spending 95% of my time in front of a computer screen during my IM rotation. There is just so much documentation that needs to be done that at the end of the day it was kind of painful.
 
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IM is cool. It's fun to think about the broad differential diagnoses. However the reality is that I found I was spending 95% of my time in front of a computer screen during my IM rotation. There is just so much documentation that needs to be done that at the end of the day it was kind of painful.

That's interesting. My guess was you guys are running around rounding all day 🙂
 
That's interesting. My guess was you guys are running around rounding all day 🙂

You show up, pre-round, then round with your team. Rounds can last anywhere from an hour to four hours depending on how efficient your team is, how much the attending wants to teach, and how many people are on your service. The rest of the day is spent checking in on patients and writing notes, calling consults, etc... I could see why some people like it but I just found the enormous amount of documentation unbearable.
 
Just to comment on the hours- it's pretty similar across all specialties, especially intern year. You will have some blocks where you really are working 80hrs a week with 2 days off a month and other blocks where you'll be working 40 hrs a week and have nights and weekends off.


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Surgery interns almost never work 40 hrs/week or have more than one day off in 7. This is probably what makes surgery much harder than medicine: we have no "easy" elective months or pure clinic. The closest thing is endoscopy, and that's one month out of 60 general surgery months.
 
I actually really wanted to do ophtho but I have been looking in that forum, and the salaries are in the trash. I will have almost 300k in student loans and a starting ophtho makes around 150 apparently. An academic position at Georgetown was posted at 85k salary. I am definitely considering IR. I think the work is really Interesting, salary is high, and field outlook seems to be going up

Edit- I really could see myself in anesthesia but the CRNA takeover makes me feel very worried about the field in 10 years

People have been saying that for 20 years and yet anesthesia doctors still make good money and find good jobs. It's not the same job it used to be, and you'll be supervising AAs and CRNAs. But anesthesia is the king of the airway, lines, regional pain control (epidurals and blocks) and is a great resource to the hospital.
 
I actually really wanted to do ophtho but I have been looking in that forum, and the salaries are in the trash. I will have almost 300k in student loans and a starting ophtho makes around 150 apparently. An academic position at Georgetown was posted at 85k salary. I am definitely considering IR. I think the work is really Interesting, salary is high, and field outlook seems to be going up

Edit- I really could see myself in anesthesia but the CRNA takeover makes me feel very worried about the field in 10 years
You are talking about an ophthalmologist, not an optometrist right? I was considering ophthalmology too, but I'm pretty sure the compensation in that field (and other surgical specialties) is more than that...
 
Haha I know man, you were the smart one and did rad-onc.

I totally agree on that last statement. It's like when people tell you if you envision yourself doing something that doesn't involve the OR, don't be a surgeon. For your own sanity, if you can be happy doing something not cards or GI, don't do IM. I tell my med students that (and I'm not malignant or a downer/dingus in any way, just helping kids out lol)
What do I do then?

Please Help me choose a field

I'm so lost on what I want in life. The documentation and rounding scare me a ton. I don't mind working hard in residency but I feel like I am dumb for basically using medicine as a default option.
 
I mean I'm already crazy so after 9 years of an MD/PhD working like a dog, I figure I'll make it through 6 more years of clinical training (IM + Hem/Onc). I do wish Hem/Onc would just be it's own thing like rad onc lol.
For the real masochist, I mean physician-scientist, there's also the research pathway! 🙂
 
I can go into more detail when I have time, but it's not just the residency... if you want to do cards you will train more than ENT or urology to do something that's technically less procedurally proficient. It's such a long road and you're going to be in your third year doing bs rotations in ID when you just want to be a cardiologist. It's easy to get burned out doing that ****.

I mean what if you want to do structural cards? That's 8 years of training. More than a neurosurgeon lmao. The system is stupid.
I mean I'm already crazy so after 9 years of an MD/PhD working like a dog, I figure I'll make it through 6 more years of clinical training (IM + Hem/Onc). I do wish Hem/Onc would just be it's own thing like rad onc lol.

I kinda want cards, GI and heme/onc to be their own residencies. The 3-year IM residency sounds like a pain honestly. It looks like a 3-year extension of med school.
 
I actually really wanted to do ophtho but I have been looking in that forum, and the salaries are in the trash. I will have almost 300k in student loans and a starting ophtho makes around 150 apparently. An academic position at Georgetown was posted at 85k salary. I am definitely considering IR. I think the work is really Interesting, salary is high, and field outlook seems to be going up

Edit- I really could see myself in anesthesia but the CRNA takeover makes me feel very worried about the field in 10 years

My thoughts
1) IM isn't nearly as bad as SDN makes it out to be. Anecdotally most IM residents I know like what they do and have a "relatively good" lifestyle (although everyone says intern year sucks hour wise). On the other hand, personally I'd never do IM, mostly because I just don't enjoy the day to day work of IM and the paperwork. It really just doesn't seem like something I'd feel fulfilled with each day. However there are a lot of great subspecialties that I could see enjoying, but yeah toughing through 3 years of something you hate to get to something you enjoy would be living hell for me, and is for lots of people who do it for Cards/GI/etc. Not advocating for IM, just saying that it's not as utterly horrific as SDN will have you believe.
2). Ophto salaries are not trash. Average salaries are usually 300-375 depending on the resource, but I've heard there is high variation with very low pay in certain places and lucrative PP options in other areas. I've never heard of Optho starting at 150k or 85k.
3). FYI Direct IR is the most competitive residency out there right now, so just be aware if that's what you want to do. You could try to backdoor IR from DR, but there's no guarantee there and you'd have to be happy with DR as a back up.
 
My thoughts
1) IM isn't nearly as bad as SDN makes it out to be. Anecdotally most IM residents I know like what they do and have a "relatively good" lifestyle (although everyone says intern year sucks hour wise). On the other hand, personally I'd never do IM, mostly because I just don't enjoy the day to day work of IM and the paperwork. It really just doesn't seem like something I'd feel fulfilled with each day. However there are a lot of great subspecialties that I could see enjoying, but yeah toughing through 3 years of something you hate to get to something you enjoy would be living hell for me, and is for lots of people who do it for Cards/GI/etc. Not advocating for IM, just saying that it's not as utterly horrific as SDN will have you believe.
2). Ophto salaries are not trash. Average salaries are usually 300-375 depending on the resource, but I've heard there is high variation with very low pay in certain places and lucrative PP options in other areas. I've never heard of Optho starting at 150k or 85k.
3). FYI Direct IR is the most competitive residency out there right now, so just be aware if that's what you want to do. You could try to backdoor IR from DR, but there's no guarantee there and you'd have to be happy with DR as a back up.

Thanks for all the info. Regarding your last point I think in 2020 the IR residency is going to drastically change with many more programs becoming available
 
You are talking about an ophthalmologist, not an optometrist right? I was considering ophthalmology too, but I'm pretty sure the compensation in that field (and other surgical specialties) is more than that...

Yes an eye surgeon, ophthalmologist. This is information I got directly from the ophtho forum on SDN recently. If the pay is a guaranteed 300k+ that would be great as the hours seem reasonable and it's a mix of clinic and OR time.

Edit- just did more searching and starting salaries are in fact around 140k. I'll pass on ophtho
 
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People have been saying that for 20 years and yet anesthesia doctors still make good money and find good jobs. It's not the same job it used to be, and you'll be supervising AAs and CRNAs. But anesthesia is the king of the airway, lines, regional pain control (epidurals and blocks) and is a great resource to the hospital.

I wouldn't mind supervising CRNAs and AAs but there is concern that as CRNAs and DNPs are getting independent practice rights in some states that the job market for MD/DO anesthesiologists will get way worse. I will always keep anesthesia on my radar as a field of interest
 
Edit- just did more searching and starting salaries are in fact around 140k. I'll pass on ophtho

Can you link me to where you found that? Is this anecdotal or actual data? When you look at medscape, MGMA, WUSTL, they are so much higher than that. Where are you seeing those numbers? If those were at all accurate you would see a step score of 225 for optho and no one doing it. they would be the lowest paid doctors by over $50,000.
 
I can go into more detail when I have time, but it's not just the residency... if you want to do cards you will train more than ENT or urology to do something that's technically less procedurally proficient. It's such a long road and you're going to be in your third year doing bs rotations in ID when you just want to be a cardiologist. It's easy to get burned out doing that ****.

I mean what if you want to do structural cards? That's 8 years of training. More than a neurosurgeon lmao. The system is stupid.

What the F is STRUCTURAL cardiology. Neurosurgery is 7 years and involves many much more critical structures.
 
I wouldn't even remotely use Frieda for an idea of the hours. Do they include the hours of charting when I get home? Because even if my day ends by 6, which it usually doesn't so far, I still have to finish random notes.

I think most programs low ball their hourd
 
What the F is STRUCTURAL cardiology. Neurosurgery is 7 years and involves many much more critical structures.

It's a 1-year fellowship that follows gen cards and interventional. It focuses on structural disease interventions like valve replacements and left atrial appendage stuff.
 
Can you link me to where you found that? Is this anecdotal or actual data? When you look at medscape, MGMA, WUSTL, they are so much higher than that. Where are you seeing those numbers? If those were at all accurate you would see a step score of 225 for optho and no one doing it. they would be the lowest paid doctors by over $50,000.

It is anecdotal from seeing posts on SDN and Reddit. But tons of people are all saying the same thing. Recently on SDN someone who works as a recruiter said that the starting package for a new ophthalmologist out of residency is 150. I can link if you wish, im just posting from my phone.

It seems in ophtho you have to establish your own practice and be very business minded to make a good living. I would rather have a job like anesthesia or rads where there is less/no pressure to market yourself, you just show up for work and get paid essentially.
 
I wouldn't even remotely use Frieda for an idea of the hours. Do they include the hours of charting when I get home? Because even if my day ends by 6, which it usually doesn't so far, I still have to finish random notes.

I think most programs low ball their hourd

What specialty are you in?
 
Haha I know man, you were the smart one and did rad-onc.

I totally agree on that last statement. It's like when people tell you if you envision yourself doing something that doesn't involve the OR, don't be a surgeon. For your own sanity, if you can be happy doing something not cards or GI, don't do IM. I tell my med students that (and I'm not malignant or a downer/dingus in any way, just helping kids out lol)

Not sure I follow this logic. It might be good advice for surgeons, because if they realize they can't handle a surgical residency/surgical lifestyle, they really have no other options, but you act as if GI/Cards are the only way to practice in IM. If you can be happy doing something not cards or GI, then you can still do IM and just 1) not specialize or 2) pick any one of a dozen-ish other specialties that branch off IM.
 
Not sure I follow this logic. It might be good advice for surgeons, because if they realize they can't handle a surgical residency/surgical lifestyle, they really have no other options, but you act as if GI/Cards are the only way to practice in IM. If you can be happy doing something not cards or GI, then you can still do IM and just 1) not specialize or 2) pick any one of a dozen-ish other specialties that branch off IM.

I would think he meant that if a student's only interest in IM is either Cards or GI (with no interest in standard IM or other, less competitive specialties), although I would add Hem-Onc to that list as well, then you shouldn't go into IM assuming you're going to be able to get to do Cards or GI.

Obviously if you want to be a hospitalist or an outpatient internist IM is certainly the field for you. He means if the only pathways in IM that you would enjoy are Cards or GI, versus pathways in non-IM residencies, then go for those non-IM residency pathways.
 
Back to the original post, can any IM residents chime in?
 
Im on IM wards right now. IM residency is like working at a shoe store, restaurant, or any job. Its work. Plain and simple. I've had like 10+ jobs/side jobs in my life in my teens and college. Tutor, movie theaters, grocery stores, donation centers, valet, caddy. Its like any job. Work hard, get your stuff done, and you will make it through. And enjoy the ride. Its not bad. Honestly it can be very chill if you come early, write notes on your patient before rounding. Then the rest of the day is just labs, orders, f/u, waiting for admissions. Which can all take 30 mins to 2 hours. Sometimes I will be in the afternoon cruising on Facebook and chatting with my colleagues making jokes cause all my work is done by 1:30. You will have fun at times I promise you. Any job has the same ingredients for success. Work hard, follow directions, make sure your work is done, and look good doing it. And you will succeed in every job. Whether its a CEO or stripper. Same stuff.
 
Im on IM wards right now. IM residency is like working at a shoe store, restaurant, or any job. Its work. Plain and simple. I've had like 10+ jobs/side jobs in my life in my teens and college. Tutor, movie theaters, grocery stores, donation centers, valet, caddy. Its like any job. Work hard, get your stuff done, and you will make it through. And enjoy the ride. Its not bad. Honestly it can be very chill if you come early, write notes on your patient before rounding. Then the rest of the day is just labs, orders, f/u, waiting for admissions. Which can all take 30 mins to 2 hours. Sometimes I will be in the afternoon cruising on Facebook and chatting with my colleagues making jokes cause all my work is done by 1:30. You will have fun at times I promise you. Any job has the same ingredients for success. Work hard, follow directions, make sure your work is done, and look good doing it. And you will succeed in every job. Whether its a CEO or stripper. Same stuff.

Thank you! Can I ask, without being too specific, are you at a big academic program, or a community program?
 
Would that be like ICU rotation versus outpatient medicine in an IM residency?

Yes but all depends highly on the program. Our program gives us 2 days off during the entire ICU block. Wards is 4 days off per block. Both of which are basically 80 hour weeks. You might have a random community medicine or something month where it's more outpatient and life is wonderful. I'm FM, but this is fairly similar to our IM program. The differences are in the number of ICU blocks and the number of months on wards, etc.


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I'm an IM resident. To answer your question, IM residency isn't bad at all. It's no where close to 80 hrs/wk on average unless on a ICU month but even that is still not bad. Most of the time it will be closer to 60 hours. Elective months even less.

I'll make the case for IM and provide a different perspective. A lot of residencies are unnecessarily long because we are cheap subsidized labor (there are some on SDN who will argue otherwise but if hospitals were actually losing money on trainees no way in hell they would be increasing spots and lengthening training--revenue drives behavior at the corporate level). A lot of the fields also have terrible job markets--including anesthesiology, radiology, pathology, rad onc, etc--so you have to keep that in mind also. In fact for many of these fields you have to do multiple fellowships just to get a job (just look at their forums) so it's not the case that you'll get your desired job straight out of residency in some specialities. It's a total scam by the leaders of our fields.

If you love interventional cards (3 + 3 + 1) it is nearly equivalent to what it'll take to be for example an interventional radiologist (5 + 1). IR don't have their own patient referall base so cardiologists are at an advantage and one of the reasons cards was able to steal caths away from IR because IM likes to refer within their own medical specialties if given the option. And like many surgical or procudure based fields, remember IR bread and butter is not sexy--it's draining abscesses, biopsies, doing paracentesis or LPs for services that were too lazy to do it themselves. My point is every field has it's negatives, you really have to find which "bread and butter" you can tolerate the most.

As a cardiologist, you'll have job security, great pay, prestige, patients actually get better because of your intervention. Within cardiology alone, there are procedure heavy options both peripherally and coronaries, critical care, imaging, preventive cards, transplant, electrophysiology, and even cardio-oncology. On top of all that it is one of the most research heavy and evidence based speciality. Can do mostly inpatient or mostly outpatient or a mix of both. Of course there are negatives to cards also (getting called for a chest pain rule out by ER at 3 AM in a 30+ yo with a negative troponin x2).

But IM in general has so much inherent flexibility that is not available in some of the fields mentioned in this thread that you'll always have options available to you and you technically can open shop without having to be tied down to a hospital unlike some other specialities. No real geographic limitations. If you want to do inpatient can become a hospitalist for 7 days on 7 days off for 250K after just 3 years of training (which makes it one of the shortest residencies with pretty decent pay) or can do outpatient work. No other speciality has this flexibility in scope of your work and geographic location, job security and good pay all while actually applying what you learned in medical school and feeling like an actual doctor.
 
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I'm an IM resident. To answer your question, IM residency isn't bad at all. It's no where close to 80 hrs/wk on average unless on a ICU month but it's still not bad. Most of the time it will be 60-70 hours. Elective months even less.

I'll make the case for IM and provide a different perspective. A lot of residencies are unnecessarily long because we are cheap subsidized labor (there are some on SDN who will argue otherwise but if hospitals were actually losing money on trainees no way in hell they would be increasing spots and lengthening training--revenue drives behavior at the corporate level). A lot of the fields also have terrible job markets--including anesthesiology, radiology, pathology, rad onc, etc--so you have to keep that in mind also. In fact for many of these fields you have to do multiple fellowships just to get a job (just look at their forums) so it's not the case that you'll get a job straight out of residency in some specialities. It's a total scam by the leaders of our fields.

If you love interventional cards (3 + 3 + 1) it is nearly equivalent to what it'll take to be for example an interventional radiologist (5 + 1). IR don't have their own patient referall base so cardiologists are at an advantage and one of the reasons cards was able to steal caths away from IR because IM likes to refer within their own medical specialties if given the option. And like many surgical or procudure based fields, remember IR bread and butter is not sexy--it's draining abscesses, biopsies, doing paracentesis or LPs for services that were too lazy to do it themselves. My point is every field has it's negatives, you really have to find what you enjoy.

As a cardiologist, you'll have job security, great pay, prestige, patients actually get better because of your intervention. Within cardiology alone, there are procedure heavy options both peripherally and coronaries, critical care, imaging, preventive, extensive research, transplant, and even cardio-oncology. Can do mostly inpatient or mostly outpatient or both. Of course there are negatives to cards also (getting called for a chest pain rule out by ER at 3 AM in a 30 yo with a negative troponin x2).

But IM in general has so much inherent flexibility that is not available in some of the fields mentioned in this thread that you'll always have options available to you and you technically can open shop without having to be tied down to a hospital unlike some other specialities. No real geographic limitations. If you want to do inpatient can become a hospitalist for 7 days on 7 days off for 240K after just 3 years of training (which makes it one of the shortest residencies) or can do outpatient work. No other speciality has this flexibility in scope of your work and geographic location, job security and good pay while actually applying what you learned in medical school and feeling like an actual doctor.
Please dont mislead the innocent medical student into believing that the workload on IM is similar to Gen Surg. Did you guys already forget what made you do IM?
Those 3am prerounds and retracting till 8pm???

I wouldn't do any surgical specialty specifically for this reason
 
It is anecdotal from seeing posts on SDN and Reddit. But tons of people are all saying the same thing. Recently on SDN someone who works as a recruiter said that the starting package for a new ophthalmologist out of residency is 150. I can link if you wish, im just posting from my phone.

It seems in ophtho you have to establish your own practice and be very business minded to make a good living. I would rather have a job like anesthesia or rads where there is less/no pressure to market yourself, you just show up for work and get paid essentially.

FYI those numbers you're referencing are mostly starting salaries from private practices. Depending on the subspecialty, location and organization structure, starting salaries can be anywhere from 150-300's, with a ramp up after that. Employers like Kaiser will start you on the higher end, and you have to worry less about business details, but your salary potential is lower than in private practice or hybrid models. Also keep in mind that the ophthalmologists making good money out there are much less likely to volunteer this information publicly.
 
How much IM residency sucks is going to depend on which program you match. My program condenses the pain into intern year, where we actually do work surgeon's hours. But then our lives get way better during pgy2-3. I have a friend whose program has a lighter intern year but they get killed during pgy2. You'll have to take your licks sometime. I'd personally prefer to do that while I'm an intern rather than as s resident or, worse yet, an attending.

And I'm not sure I agree with the idea that if you're doing IM for a subspecialty you should jump ship. I'm doing IM with the goal of going hem/onc. Even if I was to not match, IM had so much inherent variability in jobs that I'm pretty sure I can find something I like.


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def program dependent for every speciality. Even psych ranges from easy-->insane hours. Depends on if the program is resident dependent and probably the population of people, at least in terms of psych.
 
That hospitalist life is the way to go.

Start making $250-300K after 3 years. 26 weeks off a year.

Do locums and pick up extra shifts if you have no wife or kids.

Stack that paper mayne. Yadigggg?

Who the hell needs 14 days off a week? Ridiculous.
 
The only people who ever say stuff like this are premeds and med students who've never actually seen or worked a hospitalist schedule

Isn't hospitalist schedule 7 on 7 off or something similar? Comparable to EM shift work?
 
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