How to deal with control freak directors?

[Sparda29]

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My DOP is one of the biggest control freaks. Every ****ing thing has to be micromanaged. The one issue I'm annoyed at with him is the damned ER Pyxis. We have narcotics in the ER pyxis (morphine, oxycodone, vicodin, etc). Last year, tramadol was changed to a controlled substance in NYS.

Now, we're still dispensing tramadol on a ****ing patient to patient basis. Verify the order, wait for the nurse to request it, take it out of the safe, nurse comes to pick it up, sign the paperwork, all for ONE ****ing pill.

I asked the DOP if I could load Tramadol into the ER Pyxis and he says no, he'll do it (months ago and we've been bugging him about it constantly). What do you guys think are possible consequences of me ignoring this and just taking the initiative to load it into the Pyxis? I've already put in my notice and am gonna transfer to the other hospital in a couple of weeks.

 

[sakigt]

"Hey Mr Bossypants I know youve got your plate full but we've had some trouble getting tramadol to the patient in an efficient way in the ER. Is it ok if I go ahead and add it to the Pyxis really quick? It wont be any trouble at all and I know the RNs would appreciate saving the walk to the Pharmacy. Oh yeah? Sweet! Whats the max that you think should be in there? Ok, sounds great. Ill send you an email when its done."

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Just throw a PAR level of 15 in a candy jar by the pharmacy window.

 

[BMBiology]

You will be transferring. Why care?

 

[Sparda29]

"Hey Mr Bossypants I know youve got your plate full but we've had some trouble getting tramadol to the patient in an efficient way in the ER. Is it ok if I go ahead and add it to the Pyxis really quick? It wont be any trouble at all and I know the RNs would appreciate saving the walk to the Pharmacy. Oh yeah? Sweet! Whats the max that you think should be in there? Ok, sounds great. Ill send you an email when its done."

As crazy at it sounds, many people have asked him about this. I volunteered and said I know how to do it since I do it all the time at the other hospital where I work "per diem", but no, I have to do it myself. Like the other day, he finally installs the new unit dosing software and only has the tech unit dose like 5 drugs when we have over a 100 that need to be unit dosed since we've been giving them out in amber vials and it's ****ing annoying to do that.

After he leaves I go and play around with the software, figure out how it works and how to add myself as a verifier. I call him and ask if it's okay if I have the tech unit-dose some stuff since I figured out how the machine works, and he goes off on a tirade "absolutely not, I don't want anyone touching that computer at all. did anyone say you can touch it? what made you think it was okay for you to do that? is it that slow that you're bored so you're messing around with the computer and the software, etc, I hope you guys have been putting returns away"

Now, while this kinda makes it seem ****ty as a hospital pharmacist, I don't mind it at all. He can say whatever the **** he wants, he can't do anything because we're in a union.

Why do I care though? It's still annoying to have to go to the vault every time the doctor in the ER orders tramadol. Another thing is that my new director is apparently friends with my current director (pharmacy school bffs apparently, thus I am hesitant in doing things because I'm afraid of my current director deciding to be a dick and calling up his buddy at the new job. Hell it's why I haven't been calling out sick like crazy in order to use up my sick time.)

 

[mustang sally]

Yeah, I would probably just ignore the tramadol situation and try to finish out your current job with smooth sailing if your current boss and new boss are bffs. You don't want a negative reputation preceding you, even if it's unwarranted.

Seriously, what kind of DOP has time to load meds into the Pyxis? That seems like poor time management right there. He should just let a tech go do it.

 

[Sparda29]

Yeah, I would probably just ignore the tramadol situation and try to finish out your current job with smooth sailing if your current boss and new boss are bffs. You don't want a negative reputation preceding you, even if it's unwarranted.

Seriously, what kind of DOP has time to load meds into the Pyxis? That seems like poor time management right there. He should just let a tech go do it.

He doesn't actually load the drugs into the Pyxis. There is no slot for tramadol in the Pyxis. I want to add that slot/program it in.

 

[PharmDstudent]

My DOP is one of the biggest control freaks. Every ******* thing has to be micromanaged. The one issue I'm annoyed at with him is the damned ER Pyxis. We have narcotics in the ER pyxis (morphine, oxycodone, vicodin, etc). Last year, tramadol was changed to a controlled substance in NYS.

Now, we're still dispensing tramadol on a ******* patient to patient basis. Verify the order, wait for the nurse to request it, take it out of the safe, nurse comes to pick it up, sign the paperwork, all for ONE ******* pill.

I asked the DOP if I could load Tramadol into the ER Pyxis and he says no, he'll do it (months ago and we've been bugging him about it constantly). What do you guys think are possible consequences of me ignoring this and just taking the initiative to load it into the Pyxis? I've already put in my notice and am gonna transfer to the other hospital in a couple of weeks.

It looks like you've got your hands full with a bean counting tyrant! You have two options: submit to him 100% or help his cause (the cause is usually squandering resources like money, doing more work so that the bean counter gets to get away with doing less work, giving stuff to the department on a charitable basis, buying coffee or coffee supplies, being perfect, being very reliable, etc.) I work with so many bean counting tyrants that you can trust me on this one! It helps if you keep things interesting and do a little of both - submitting and giving to their cause. I had to take some down yesterday, though, and it made me feel very guilty for hurting them.

Edited to add: You can also sexually distract them from their squandering obsessions. They're closet perverts!

 

[mustang sally]

He doesn't actually load the drugs into the Pyxis. There is no slot for tramadol in the Pyxis. I want to add that slot/program it in.

Still doesn't seem like something a DOP would do.

 

[Sparda29]

It looks like you've got your hands full with a bean counting tyrant! You have two options: submit to him 100% or help his cause (the cause is usually squandering resources like money, doing more work so that the bean counter gets to get away with doing less work, giving stuff to the department on a charitable basis, buying coffee or coffee supplies, being perfect, being very reliable, etc.) I work with so many bean counting tyrants that you can trust me on this one! It helps if you keep things interesting and do a little of both - submitting and giving to their cause. I had to take some down yesterday, though, and it made me feel very guilty for hurting them.

Edited to add: You can also sexually distract them from their squandering obsessions. They're closet perverts!

Bean counter, definitely. There have been times when my evening tech calls out that he doesn't bother replacing him with a per-diem or forcing a morning tech to work a double shift. Apparently he does it to save money and to make us hate the tech, which we won't. It's his right to call out if he wants, and it's the director's job to find coverage.

Still doesn't seem like something a DOP would do.

That's true. Except this is a small community hospital (200 beds) and the pharmacy hierachy is DOP --> Clinical Pharmacist --> Staff Pharmacists. No assistant director, no pharmacy manager, no shift supervisor, no lead pharmacist.

 

[zelman]

Email him a link to this thread

 

[Dred Pirate]

ya - sounds like your are ****ed - You learn when to fight your battles and when to just deal with it. I had same situation, with tramadol, I just went ahead and loaded it. Our director would never do the pyxis loads, but the "pyxis person" was very busy and it kept getting pushed to the side, so I just did it. No consequencs.

But it sounds like in your situation you would have consequences. But seriously, unless you are in a small hospital, why the hell would the director be in charge of loading things in the pyxis? Sounds like over control freak. Just suck it up till your transfer and let someone else deal with their ****.

 

[Sparda29]

Another example of the controlliness.

I want to use a vacation day for next Friday. So I call up the per diems and ask if any of them are available. 4 of them say yes. I tell him that I'm putting in a time off request and that those 4 per diems said they can work. He gets pissed that I called up the per diems and says that is his job.

The real reason why he's mad, he wants to be able to just deny the time off request without calling to see if anyone can cover it.

 

[Dred Pirate]

Another example of the controlliness.

I want to use a vacation day for next Friday. So I call up the per diems and ask if any of them are available. 4 of them say yes. I tell him that I'm putting in a time off request and that those 4 per diems said they can work. He gets pissed that I called up the per diems and says that is his job.

The real reason why he's mad, he wants to be able to just deny the time off request without calling to see if anyone can cover it.

ya - just leave before he drives you crazy. I had one boss in my 10 years that I could not stand, total POS - so I got a new job after 6 months and never looked back

 

[Sparda29]

ya - just leave before he drives you crazy. I had one boss in my 10 years that I could not stand, total POS - so I got a new job after 6 months and never looked back

Well that's it, I just wanna know when my last day here is. This guy only posts one pay period schedule at a time.

 

[PharmDstudent]

Well that's it, I just wanna know when my last day here is. This guy only posts one pay period schedule at a time.

Bean counting tyrants also like to play the complain game, so if you can commiserate on the same things, they will appreciate your input. Think something along the lines of system failures, poor quality, food failures, etc.

This type of person has a difficult time coping with change, so if you are sensitive to their need for keeping the status quo, you will also be appreciated.

Oh, and they want to be needed. Why else would a director be that controlling? He is afraid of losing control! They want everything to come through them first... so they will make it seem as if they are needed, and everyone else is helpless without them - for their own personal need for security.


Sparda, the fee for this consult is $100. 😉


Good luck Sparda!

 

[Dred Pirate]

You know - how many managers/directors do you know that have been fired? I know of two. One was my first manager who was blatanly stealing from the company in retail. The other was a director at a large university hospital that was also do things so obviously wrong that you could not look away.

How many staff members have you know who got fired?

The odds are in your favor to suck it up, swallow your pride, and move on to the next job and then bitch about your former managers when we all go to the bar and enjoy an after work drink.

 

[Sparda29]

How many people do I know who got fired from here? Other than some per diems who got fired because they went 90 days without picking up a shift, no one. It's a union job. There are some dead weights here who would have been fired a long time ago in a non-union hospital.

 

[PharmDstudent]

How many people do I know who got fired from here? Other than some per diems who got fired because they went 90 days without picking up a shift, no one. It's a union job. There are some dead weights here who would have been fired a long time ago in a non-union hospital.

You can come and work with me! 😉

 

[Dred Pirate]

How many people do I know who got fired from here? Other than some per diems who got fired because they went 90 days without picking up a shift, no one. It's a union job. There are some dead weights here who would have been fired a long time ago in a non-union hospital.

I meant more in society as a whole - directors/managers are a lot harder to get fired, people see the working bees are more disposable, a union obviously changes things, but my point is the same

 

[Sunshine98]

Oh, and they want to be needed. Why else would a director be that controlling? He is afraid of losing control! They want everything to come through them first... so they will make it seem as if they are needed, and everyone else is helpless without them - for their own personal need for security.

dealing with that now too. Person who is PIC at times treats me with disrespect. If I do something wrong points it out in front of everyone, etc. I even put a child's rx in waiting cause I wanted an updated weight and he just pushed it on through only to undermine my professional opinion. But he makes mistakes, and I no where treat him in such a way. I fix them. I know how this job is sometimes and can see why it happens. But I don't belittle him or undermind his professional opinion.

His ego/control is out of control and he just doesn't see it. Past 3 years all we have had is turnaround, ie people quitting. Some needed to go, some left because of the way he treated them too.

 

[PharmDstudent]

dealing with that now too. Person who is PIC at times treats me with disrespect. If I do something wrong points it out in front of everyone, etc. I even put a child's rx in waiting cause I wanted an updated weight and he just pushed it on through only to undermine my professional opinion. But he makes mistakes, and I no where treat him in such a way. I fix them. I know how this job is sometimes and can see why it happens. But I don't belittle him or undermind his professional opinion.

His ego/control is out of control and he just doesn't see it. Past 3 years all we have had is turnaround, ie people quitting. Some needed to go, some left because of the way he treated them too.

You just have to be resilient and modest at the same time in order to survive their wrath. Never come in late or flake out... never, ever, ever. You will irritate them if they think you're unstable.

 

[Sunshine98]

You just have to be resilient and modest at the same time in order to survive their wrath. Never come in late or flake out... never, ever, ever. You will irritate them if they think you're unstable.

Me being resilient is breaking down. Im to the point where I feel like I should be medicated due to it making me depressed. And when it comes to being on time. Im always on time and always have to stay late. He on the other hand, is the one who comes in late! 😡. I know my nerves are getting the best of me in trying to take so much on...ie dig myself out of the hole each day that they create. Im holding in so much anger all the time and I know that is not good either. But I get everything done. Even said that to the DM...if I am 1 person and can get everything done, why cant they do it? It fell on deaf ears! Cant wait for this years eval

 

[Sparda29]

You just have to be resilient and modest at the same time in order to survive their wrath. Never come in late or flake out... never, ever, ever. You will irritate them if they think you're unstable.

I'm usually 1-2 minutes late every day, but then I stay behind for 10-15 minutes extra every day too (albeit, unpaid). Flaking out, well the way I see it, I'm entitled to those 12 sick days. With the new rules about sick days, I don't get paid out for them if I don't use them, so I might as well use 1 every month or two as personal mental health days.

 

[PharmDstudent]

Me being resilient is breaking down. Im to the point where I feel like I should be medicated due to it making me depressed. And when it comes to being on time. Im always on time and always have to stay late. He on the other hand, is the one who comes in late! 😡. I know my nerves are getting the best of me in trying to take so much on...ie dig myself out of the hole each day that they create. Im holding in so much anger all the time and I know that is not good either. But I get everything done. Even said that to the DM...if I am 1 person and can get everything done, why cant they do it? It fell on deaf ears! Cant wait for this years eval

I'm really sorry that you're having to deal with that kind of a work environment. Have you tried conceding? Remember, they want you to need them, so if you don't need them, then they'll just dump more **** on you until... you guessed it... you need them. Crazy, huh?!

You could always try to look soft and appear as if they've hurt you. It's worth a try! People treat me like crap. I let them. Then they usually feel horrible about it, so I end up "winning" in the end, because they look like the ***hole and not me... but I look unusually feminine, so maybe that works in my favor as well. I don't know. Just try to get into their heads and see what makes them tick.

Good luck!

 

[PharmDstudent]

I'm usually 1-2 minutes late every day, but then I stay behind for 10-15 minutes extra every day too (albeit, unpaid). Flaking out, well the way I see it, I'm entitled to those 12 sick days. With the new rules about sick days, I don't get paid out for them if I don't use them, so I might as well use 1 every month or two as personal mental health days.

Really? From what I understand, you're entitled to nothing under a tyrant! 😉

 

[Sunshine98]

I'm really sorry that you're having to deal with that kind of a work environment. Have you tried conceding?

They have won. That's why I feel the way I do now. Ive never seen an atmosphere when you are the one who is doing all, taking on more...others take on less, and they can complain against you, and you get pulled aside and crapped on.

Remember, they want you to need them, so if you don't need them, then they'll just dump more **** on you until... you guessed it... you need them. Crazy, huh?!

I feel like Im in the Matrix and cant get out 😱

You could always try to look soft and appear as if they've hurt you. It's worth a try! People treat me like crap. I let them. Then they usually feel horrible about it, so I end up "winning" in the end, because they look like the ***hole and not me... but I look unusually feminine, so maybe that works in my favor as well. I don't know. Just try to get into their heads and see what makes them tick.

Good luck!

oh....he knows im not happy.... as a result of me talking to the DM ( or should I say venting?) we get to hire a new person. Thing is...day late and a dollar short. We needed this hire back in Oct when I said we needed it. And nothing happens. I stand by what I said again.. and POOF...we can hire. so what has changed in 5 months? He tried talking "nice" to me, but if he only knew I didn't care. Because of the relentless times he has treated me, there is no going back. Which is why if I can find an out, Im gonna take it! And he knows he will be screwed...and not 1 part of me is going to feel sad/remorse doing it.

 

[PharmDstudent]

They have won. That's why I feel the way I do now. Ive never seen an atmosphere when you are the one who is doing all, taking on more...others take on less, and they can complain against you, and you get pulled aside and crapped on.



I feel like Im in the Matrix and cant get out 😱



oh....he knows im not happy.... as a result of me talking to the DM ( or should I say venting?) we get to hire a new person. Thing is...day late and a dollar short. We needed this hire back in Oct when I said we needed it. And nothing happens. I stand by what I said again.. and POOF...we can hire. so what has changed in 5 months? He tried talking "nice" to me, but if he only knew I didn't care. Because of the relentless times he has treated me, there is no going back. Which is why if I can find an out, Im gonna take it! And he knows he will be screwed...and not 1 part of me is going to feel sad/remorse doing it.

Get this ****, I had a pharmacy manager who wanted my position! Like she really, really wanted it. Did I make it look too easy? Must have... I never let her have it, though, until I left to work at a hospital. After I left, she took my old position, and she only lasted 8 months! 😛 Vindi****ingcation!



Just hold on... and watch Drake's video Hold On, We're Going Home. It will make you feel better. Promise! 😉

 

[Sunshine98]

and she only lasted 8 months! 😛 Vindi****ingcation!

what's funny is I was PIC....and stepped down because well...lets just say some wanted their boys club and made it difficult on me.......and since then...we've had turn around, not able to keep a stable staff, and he really doesn't want the position....wants the title and money only. But no way I would take it back with such an unstable staff he has created! So slooooooowly I hope to get mine!

Just hold on... and watch Drake's video Hold On. It will make you feel better. Promise! 😉

TY!...its hard to hold on sometimes. I know I deserve better!

 

[PharmDstudent]

what's funny is I was PIC....and stepped down because well...lets just say some wanted their boys club and made it difficult on me.......and since then...we've had turn around, not able to keep a stable staff, and he really doesn't want the position....wants the title and money only. But no way I would take it back with such an unstable staff he has created! So slooooooowly I hope to get mine!

TY!...its hard to hold on sometimes. I know I deserve better!

Don't lose hope! You will get what you deserve! Just try to work hard and play nice if at all possible...

If you wanna laugh a little, though, you can also watch Drake - Started From The Bottom. They make fun of retail pharmacy, which is cool! LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[RealityRx]

TY!...its hard to hold on sometimes.

I've been there over the years, more times than I'd care to remember. I'm sure you hear every single day (from the people in the best position to know) how much better things run when you are there. And that the place would go to hell without you. And because you try so hard and give so much, you begin to believe its true.

But it doesn't go to hell after you go. They always survive. They always move along as if you had never been there. ****tier than ever, but it never matters. You know exactly what isn't getting done without you, and you marvel at the fact that the entire operation stumbles along regardless.

There is really only one opinion that should ever matter to you. (Well, I guess two if you are religious. I think God sees our suffering.) You know what you do. You know you deserve better. Secretly find your next job, and then quietly go, being careful not to burn that bridge. As awful as your job is, the way things currently are, you never know when you might need it back. Most importantly, remember to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of how strong you are. A lesser person would've quit a long time ago.

 

[xiphoid2010]

How to deal with control freak directors? Become a director.

Lol, look, being the dop is usually a thankless job. Someone is always gonna be unhappy with you for one reason or another. And Sparda, let's just say I won't be suprised there can be no pleasing you.

Why not just become a DOP and See for yourself? The pay is good.

 

[PharmDstudent]

How to deal with control freak directors? Become a director.

Lol, look, being the dop is usually a thankless job. Someone is always gonna be unhappy with you for one reason or another. And Sparda, let's just say I won't be suprised there can be no pleasing you.

Why not just become a DOP and See for yourself? The pay is good.

Thankless?! I'm sorry to be that person, but I LOVE my director. 😍 She's a bad***!

 

[xiphoid2010]

Thankless?! I'm sorry to be that person, but I LOVE my director. 😍 She's a bad***!

This is quite possible on an individual or small group level, but pretty much impossible as the numbers get bigger. Someone is always going to be the extremes of the bell curve and be unhappy with things that work for the majority. And you know the 80/20 rule. As a DOP, you catch flak from all sides, subordinates, superiors, other departments, patients....there is no pleasing everyone.

 

[PharmDstudent]

This is quite possible on an individual or small group level, but pretty much impossible as the numbers get bigger. Someone is always going to be the extremes of the bell curve and be unhappy with things that work for the majority. And you know the 80/20 rule. As a DOP, you catch flak from all sides, subordinates, superiors, other departments, patients....there is no pleasing everyone.

She's INTj, which is likely to be the best personality type for that position. She's very loyal to our department, while at the same time, she also can clearly discern what's "right", and it's hard to argue with what's "right".

I know the personality type rule... just sayin'... 😉

 

[xiphoid2010]

She's INTj, which is likely to be the best personality type for that position. She's very loyal to our department, while at the same time, she also can clearly discern what's "right", and it's hard to argue with what's "right".

I know the personality type rule... just sayin'... 😉

Lol, I'm INTJ myself. Im only very mildly IN, almost neutral. My strength/problem is that thevery strong tendency for TJ, strive for logic and truth at expense of emotions, and brook no excuses if people don't do their job.

 

[PharmDstudent]

Lol, I'm INTJ myself. Im only very mildly IN, almost neutral. My strength/problem is that thevery strong tendency for TJ, strive for logic and truth at expense of emotions, and brook no excuses if people don't do their job.

You're ISTj

 

[xiphoid2010]

You're ISTj

Maybe. Just took an myers-briggs that said I am INTJ, but since It says I'm only mildly IN, guess it depends on the day, kinda like I get more extraverted at the happy hours. Lol.

 

[PharmDstudent]

Maybe. Just took an myers-briggs that said I am INTJ, but since It says I'm only mildly IN, guess it depends on the day, kinda like I get more extraverted at the happy hours. Lol.

MBTI is inherently flawed... Socionics got the actual functions right for extroverts AND introverts... not just extroverts! MBTI twisted the functions of introverts to match their second, auxiliary function - which is what the outside world "sees".

For example, as an INFp (NiFeTiSe), my first function is introverted intuition (Ni). MBTI would say that my first function is introverted feelings (Fi), but that's wrong wrong wrong to the nth degree. While my primary function is introverted intuition (Ni), my auxiliary function is extroverted feelings (Fe)... which is what people "see" since it's extroverted and that's why MBTI has INFP tagged as (FiNeSiTe). Extroverts agree with MBTI, because MBTI is right for them. Go ****ing figure...

It took me years to be able to function and cope as an introverted intuitive (Ni), because the connections that I make are usually dismissed by others (especially those who have thinking and feeling functions as their primary functions), because I can't "back up" what I connect with extroverted feelings (Fe); almost always, I will have used introverted intuition (Ni) to figure something out, not extroverted feelings (Fe)... so I can't just... spit... it... out... because it's an introverted connection that I made to begin with! I actually use extroverted feelings (Fe) to judge good vs bad or innocence vs evil. I could also hash this out further and get into thinking and feeling vs sensing and intuition (basically j functions vs p functions) but that might go over your head or lose your interest completely.

So I've learned to cope by "backing up" what I say or suggest by utilizing data or physical "evidence" whenever it presents itself and then drawing connections or associations right then and there. I also have to utilize a resilient, relentless long-term memory in order to provide "evidence"... which is very, very tiring and horrible. I'm not allowed to forget!... or else I won't be able to succeed... alcohol helps me to forget...

As an ISTj, your functions are TiSeNiFe - so during happy hour, you probably manifest more as an extroverted sensor (Se)... just sayin'...

 

[type b pharmD]

MBTI is inherently flawed... Socionics got the actual functions right for extroverts AND introverts... not just extroverts! MBTI twisted the functions of introverts to match their second, auxiliary function - which is what the outside world "sees".

For example, as an INFp (NiFeTiSe), my first function is introverted intuition (Ni). MBTI would say that my first function is introverted feelings (Fi), but that's wrong wrong wrong to the nth degree. While my primary function is introverted intuition (Ni), my auxiliary function is extroverted feelings (Fe)... which is what people "see" since it's extroverted and that's why MBTI has INFP tagged as (FiNeSiTe). Extroverts agree with MBTI, because MBTI is right for them. Go ****ing figure...

It took me years to be able to function and cope as an introverted intuitive (Ni), because the connections that I make are usually dismissed by others (especially those who have thinking and feeling functions as their primary functions), because I can't "back up" what I connect with extroverted feelings (Fe); almost always, I will have used introverted intuition (Ni) to figure something out, not extroverted feelings (Fe)... so I can't just... spit... it... out... because it's an introverted connection that I made to begin with! I actually use extroverted feelings (Fe) to judge good vs bad or innocence vs evil. I could also hash this out further and get into thinking and feeling vs sensing and intuition (basically j functions vs p functions) but that might go over your head or lose your interest completely.

So I've learned to cope by "backing up" what I say or suggest by utilizing data or physical "evidence" whenever it presents itself and then drawing connections or associations right then and there. I also have to utilize a resilient, relentless long-term memory in order to provide "evidence"... which is very, very tiring and horrible. I'm not allowed to forget!... or else I won't be able to succeed... alcohol helps me to forget...

As an ISTj, your functions are TiSeNiFe - so during happy hour, you probably manifest more as an extroverted sensor (Se)... just sayin'...

Excellent analysis. I love.mbti but acknowledge its flaws . Socionics is win.

As an entp .. also a very rare type to find in pharmacy, I am frequently trying to figure out what makes my colleagues tick. Intj is my favorite to deal with on a professional level.

Having intuition as a dominant function kind of does suck when everyone wants rationale to the nth degree.. also I find that everyone is more detail oriented than I am and that brings some peoples skepticism of my abilities down on me.

Thankfully my director is very practical oriented.

 

[Sparda29]

I'm an ESTP.

 

[zelman]

I'm an ESTP.

...you can read minds?

/zoolander

 

[KARM12]

Don't burn the bridge...just suck it up for the next few weeks since you've already put in your notice.

 

[Sparda29]

Don't burn the bridge...just suck it up for the next few weeks since you've already put in your notice.

I'm transferring in mid-April apparently. I'm annoyed that he's not letting me use my vacation days during this time. I get payed out anyway but I'd rather use them and go somewhere during that weekend.

 

[KARM12]

Are you transferring within the same health system or moving to a totally different company?

 

[Sparda29]

Are you transferring within the same health system or moving to a totally different company?

Same health system. From a community hospital to the pediatric center.

 

[PharmDstudent]

Excellent analysis. I love.mbti but acknowledge its flaws . Socionics is win.

As an entp .. also a very rare type to find in pharmacy, I am frequently trying to figure out what makes my colleagues tick. Intj is my favorite to deal with on a professional level.

Having intuition as a dominant function kind of does suck when everyone wants rationale to the nth degree.. also I find that everyone is more detail oriented than I am and that brings some peoples skepticism of my abilities down on me.

Thankfully my director is very practical oriented.

Thank you. I'm glad that you liked the analysis. Since I've needed to communicate with people who think very differently than I do lately, it's forced me to do a lot of introspection and pick apart my own brain to come up with solutions that are unconventional yet necessary at such a dark point in my personal and family life. So I've analyzed and analyzed and analyzed...

INTjs are very professional.

This is funny, but my hard*** mother is INTj. She knocked the lack of being detail-oriented right out of me whenever I was a young teenager. She also thought that I was MBTI INFp (FiNeSiTe) until she discovered Socionics, so that created a lot of misunderstanding while I was growing up. Whenever I look back now, though, I'm like... what feelings was she talking about?! My extroverted feelings are directed outward, so it's like I don't even own them. 😛

If you really wanna pick their brains and find out what makes your colleagues tick, then you should read about hidden agenda and +/-. I think you'll find that crazy helpful!... but be careful not to get too obsessed; I've almost gotten to a point where I can spot a person's personality type on sight alone. (The hidden agenda is basically how a person's tertiary function manifests, and since it's only tertiary, it can take on an unconscious, subliminal-like role.) Hidden agenda and +/- can help you "tag" someone if nothing else. 😉
Oh, and Erotic Attitudes will knock your socks off or probably blow your mind!... yeah, so there's this ESTp materials manager at work who finds it amusing to hound me, and I wanna ****ing kill his ***!

ENTp?! COOL! You would be a great professor, too... I had an ENTp Biochem professor, and he was fabulous fabulous fabulous! Everyone loved him. 😍 Just for kicks... Angelina Jolie is ENTp.

(I would have come back to this thread sooner, but I was too shy to read the responses. >.<)

 

[PharmDstudent]

I'm an ESTP.

You're ISTp (SiTeFiNe)

I have several ISTps in my family, including my uncle, brother, first cousin, second cousin, and my brother's son. They're all male, too. Your type is very special to me... and very difficult for me to wrap my mind around. Introverted sensing (Si) is supposedly one of the least understood functions. So mysterious!

My brother is the one whom I'm worried sick about right now!

 

[xiphoid2010]

Holy cow that's a lot of psychoanalysis 1337 talk that just went right over my head.

 

[Sparda29]

You're ISTp (SiTeFiNe)

I have several ISTps in my family, including my uncle, brother, first cousin, second cousin, and my brother's son. They're all male, too. Your type is very special to me... and very difficult for me to wrap my mind around. Introverted sensing (Si) is supposedly one of the least understood functions. So mysterious!

My brother is the one whom I'm worried sick about right now!

I'm pretty sure I'm extroverted. It's why I have to always be out when I'm not at work. I get bored as **** when I'm at home doing nothing.