How would you have handled this?

[Solaire]

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Frankly, I am stunned and disappointed this thread has turned into a bloodbath. I am also disturbed by the misuse of the notion of freedom of speech. The issue here is cyberbullying which is a major social problem now. Posting a hate message targeting a group of people is cyberbullying and the perpetrator must be sanctioned. Just because you get accepted doesn't grant you the right to be abusive to others. The person who reported the adcoms of this did the right thing. We don't want these people in medicine where they can harm those who truly seek help

I'd like to point out that most of the abrasive responses came from those speaking against Patassa and Knv2u. But beyond that, I do think a rather interesting take on these issues were presented.

Then why waste everyone's time and post this thread? It really serves no purpose then.

And the comment about the chip is because of the tone of your prose as directed towards me and the others. And there is no "hyperbolic bs" in my post. I think perhaps you should look up the word "hyperbolic." There is nothing in my post making something sound worse or more extreme than what it really is. The problem with this thread (and this isn't targeted at you specifically) is that everyone is making knee jerk, emotional reactions and failing to appreciate the logical consequences of what has been suggested.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread.

Indeed, this is definitely what I was seeing. The general opinion on this thread falls into that category, which is a problem. A lot of you are focusing on smaller aspects here (bullying, the actual remarks, etc).

Patassa and Knv2u are simply urging us to look at the bigger picture (how we interpret and act on what we deem as an issue) whilst setting our subjectivity aside momentarily. I don't see anything wrong with that. And if you see this as tolerating or supporting the guy who made the racist remarks, you're missing the the point.

 

[knv2u]

Frankly, I am stunned and disappointed this thread has turned into a bloodbath. I am also disturbed by the misuse of the notion of freedom of speech. The issue here is cyberbullying which is a major social problem now. Posting a hate message targeting a group of people is cyberbullying and the perpetrator must be sanctioned. Just because you get accepted doesn't grant you the right to be abusive to others. The person who reported the adcoms of this did the right thing. We don't want these people in medicine where they can harm those who truly seek help

Cyber bullying would occur if the student went on a group page of a minority group (e.g. NAACP if it has a Facebook page) or a specific individual minority member's page and posted harassing, and perhaps even racist comments. These comments were made within the confounds of his individual personal page. This is NOT akin to cyber bullying. Not every instance of being a jerk and posting vile things qualifies.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "misuse of the notion of freedom of speech." If freedom of speech only means that you can say what the majority wants you to say, then there is no such thing as free speech and we should stop pretending that such a right exists; however, I think it should be abundantly clear that free speech includes speech that we don't like. (I encourage all of you to read Brandenburg v. Ohio). To be sure there are limitations, and indeed the case law will show them to be quite limited and will actually support the position I have articulated (and no I'm not going to post 30 pages of text here to prove my point). And I even recognized limitations myself - to be sure if a physician made these comments to patients or neglected/treated a patient differently because of his or her race, then yes, that crosses the line and is sanctionable. Posting comments on a private site, not so much.

Edited: The Brandenburg decision specifically addresses the KKK, which arguably is far more extreme and actually has a record of committing acts of violence. If the First Amendment protects some of their behavior per Brandenburg, there is no logical way to distinguish that here in my opinion.

 

[Mr Interesting]

Many here have made clear their utter disdain for racists in many different ways. Most seem to agree that they deserve some type of harsh punishment for racist comments.

Oh my God those poor racist people… It’s so inhumane for them to be held accountable for their actions and to punished for spreading their words of hate and a creating an uneasy learning environment.The horror, the madness, the injustice!!

1. Confronting a person when they are doing/saying something wrong is not always the best approach. That can quickly backfire on you. Ever wonder why there’s a human resources in the work place, anonymous tip lines, a report button on every website you can leave your opinion on including this one and facebook?

2. I don’t know how people don’t see how problematic it is for a med student to be spreading messages of hate of a particular group of people who may make up a significant portion of that med schools patient population. Sounds like a disaster to me…

3. Racist people are not victims, though I feel sad they believe what they believe, they often are the victimizers. Please stop pretending they are victims and that it’s so immoral to report them when reporting them is often the best course of action.

Hate and disrespect will not be tolerated. Perhaps you may turn a blind eye to abuse, racism, and bullying but I will not. If you make a comment that makes my female classmates feel extremely uneasy and unsafe around you I will report you. If you make comments that make my minority classmates feel bullied and unsafe I will report you. If you make comments about my classmates who are gay that make them feel outcast I will report you. There are consequences for actions whether its on your personal page or not. It's not like people hacked his account and uncovered all his hate. He added people to his page therefore he should be more responsible about what he puts on there.

 

[knv2u]

Oh my God those poor racist people… It’s so inhumane for them to be held accountable for their actions and to punished for spreading their words of hate and a creating an uneasy learning environment.The horror, the madness, the injustice!!

1. Confronting a person when they are doing/saying something wrong is not always the best approach. That can quickly backfire on you. Ever wonder why there’s a human resources in the work place, anonymous tip lines, a report button on every website you can leave your opinion on including this one and facebook?

2. I don’t know how people don’t see how problematic it is for a med student to be spreading messages of hate of a particular group of people who may make up a significant portion of that med schools patient population. Sounds like a disaster to me…

3. Racist people are not victims, though I feel sad they believe what they believe, they often are the victimizers. Please stop pretending they are victims and that it’s so immoral to report them when reporting them is often the best course of action.

Hate and disrespect will not be tolerated. Perhaps you may turn a blind eye to abuse, racism, and bullying but I will not. If you make a comment that makes my female classmates feel extremely uneasy and unsafe around you I will report you. If you make comments that make my minority classmates feel bullied and unsafe I will report you. If you make comments about my classmates who are gay that make them feel like outcast I will report you. There are consequences for actions whether its on your personal page or not. It's not like people hacked his account and uncovered all his hate. He added people to his page therefore he should be more responsible about what he puts on there.

What evidence do you have that the student articulated these views in a disruptive manner in an academic forum? Unless there were threats of violence or imminent lawless action, I don't understand this idea of creating an "uneasy learning environment." I think hypocrisy (i.e. condemning intolerance and yet being intolerant) creates for an uneasy learning environment; I guess that means that 90% of the posters to this thread should be dismissed from medical school.

 

[Corvid]

Frankly, I am stunned and disappointed this thread has turned into a bloodbath. I am also disturbed by the misuse of the notion of freedom of speech. The issue here is cyberbullying which is a major social problem now. Posting a hate message targeting a group of people is cyberbullying and the perpetrator must be sanctioned. Just because you get accepted doesn't grant you the right to be abusive to others. The person who reported the adcoms of this did the right thing. We don't want these people in medicine where they can harm those who truly seek help

I agree with you, mostly. I regret that this has turned into an internet flame war (with personal attacks and mean attitudes being thrown left and right). I don't really think the freedom of speech debate was the right avenue to take this conversation down. Lofty ideas about what is right/wrong and how everything is subjective shouldn't be the main focus here. Bottom line: As a physician you are expected to behave with a certain degree of professionalism, spouting racist nonsense (regardless of its nature - malicious or ignorant) is unacceptable.

However, I do believe that we need to know the facts and approach this issue with some tact. Rushing to conclusions helps no one and is a sloppy way of going about things. We don't know what the guy in question was saying exactly. According to OP it seemed to be offensive beliefs about certain groups of people (without using any racial epithets). I have no doubt that these comments were inflammatory and offensive (I mean we are now about to hit 6 pages discussing the whole affair). OP did the right thing by calling the guy out and letting him know that his comments were offensive and unacceptable. Conflicts like these are a perfect instances to use thoughtful discourse to change someones point of view. However, I don't think the administration needed to be involved right away, unless the situation escalated. People deserve a chance to change their ways before their entire career is ended.

Running off to the administration behind someone's back like that, without really giving an good effort to try and settle things on a personal level, just doesn't sit right with me. According to OP, the guy was kind of defensive about his comments, even though he took them down. That is to be expected when you call someone out. Give him some time to reflect. If he continues to behave in that poor manner (especially when you start school in the fall), then things have escalated and maybe the administration should be involved. Instead it seems like his classmates rushed to conclusions and decided to punish this fellow, deservedly or not, to fullest extent - or as @Patassa said, to "crucify" him.

Then again, as @Mr Interesting mentioned above, people shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable in a learning environment because of some jerk's comments. I guess I'm just concerned that this guy will get nuked (punished past the weight of the crime) by the administration. I guess I'm optimistic in thinking that people can be reasoned with. A med school class is supposed to be comprised of intellectual people who can have meaningful discourse. To say that confronting the guy in question (with tact and restraint) could backfire should not be a legitimate reason for bypassing the conversation and running to the administration right away.

I went back and read because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but instead I see a long post about faux racism as if adcom or a reasonable person can't differentiate. I don't know if you've been around *****s all your life which makes you think you're insightful, but the truth is that this profession is full of smarter people than you who would have thought that point through and would act fairly.

Minus the much unneeded attack on Patassa, you actually bring up a good point. The administrators, no doubt, know better than any of us on these issues and would probably know how to handle the situation. I still think that OP and his classmates should have tried to first resolve things amongst themselves. After all, they're going to be in the trenches together for the next few years... maybe this could have been a picturesque learning moment for everyone...

Naturally, I agree with @Solaire's comments.

 

[Mr Interesting]

What evidence do you have that the student articulated these views in a disruptive manner in an academic forum? Unless there were threats of violence or imminent lawless action, I don't understand this idea of creating an "uneasy learning environment." I think hypocrisy (i.e. condemning intolerance and yet being intolerant) creates for an uneasy learning environment; I guess that means that 90% of the posters to this thread should be dismissed from medical school.

Just stop. What evidence do you have that it wasn't? It's not our job to assess the evidence anyways it's the school's. If the school does something about it I guess that should be evidence enough. People have a right to freedom of speech but people also have a right to report things that make them feel uncomfortable, uneasy, and unsafe too. Whether you like it or not it's not hypocrisy at all. I'm also willing to bet, had the school actually seen what that student had on their page they would not have been accepted.

 

[KnuxNole]

The moral of the story is that SDN is full of backstabbing little b****es and never give out your real name or other identifying information.

Guy probably killed himself.

SDN wasn't the one who did it though. Karma is one female dog :O

 

[KnuxNole]

Besides, everyone can agree that racist or homophobic comments are usually stuff uneducated middle school people say anyway. Noone here would use this behavior, unless they have newfound puberty 😛

 

[487806]

Cyber bullying would occur if the student went on a group page of a minority group (e.g. NAACP if it has a Facebook page) or a specific individual minority member's page and posted harassing, and perhaps even racist comments. These comments were made within the confounds of his individual personal page. This is NOT akin to cyber bullying. Not every instance of being a jerk and posting vile things qualifies.

I'm ignoring any topic pertaining to 1st amendment. It's off-topic. It doesn't matter where the comments were posted: the perpetrator said them voluntarily on a public social networking site, so he should be reprimanded.

 

[knv2u]

Just stop. What evidence do you have that it wasn't? It's not our job to assess the evidence anyways it's the school's. If the school does something about it I guess that should be evidence enough. People have a right to freedom of speech but people also have a right to report things that make them feel uncomfortable, uneasy, and unsafe too. Whether you like it or not it's not hypocrisy at all. I'm also willing to bet, had the school actually seen what that student had on their page they would not have been accepted.

That's my point. You cannot make assumptions to justify vilification of someone you don't like. Unless there is evidence of this, then your comments are completely unfounded.

And "it's not our job to assess the evidence[?]" Then why are so many here trying to judge and determine an adequate sanction if they don't even know the evidence against the accused or even what the student allegedly said. Is the hate so rabid that were are hell bent on destroying those with differing view points regardless of evidence of actual harm done? And there is very much hypocrisy in this thread - every single person who criticizes the OP's classmate for being a racist **** (i.e. intolerant) has also shown great intolerance to that student. That is de facto hypocrisy.

I'm ignoring any topic pertaining to 1st amendment. It's off-topic. It doesn't matter where the comments were posted: the perpetrator said them voluntarily on a public social networking site, so he should be reprimanded.

Ignore it if you like if it makes you feel better about it, but people who adopt your position are setting up a very slippery slope that could easily comeback to bite him or her in the butt one day. This goes well beyond racism and even despicable things.

 

[NontradCA]

That's my point. You cannot make assumptions to justify vilification of someone you don't like. Unless there is evidence of this, then your comments are completely unfounded.

And "it's not our job to assess the evidence[?]" Then why are so many here trying to judge and determine an adequate sanction if they don't even know the evidence against the accused or even what the student allegedly said. Is the hate so rabid that were are hell bent on destroying those with differing view points regardless of evidence of actual harm done? And there is very much hypocrisy in this thread - every single person who criticizes the OP's classmate for being a racist **** (i.e. intolerant) has also shown great intolerance to that student. That is de facto hypocrisy.



Ignore it if you like if it makes you feel better about it, but people who adopt your position are setting up a very slippery slope that could easily comeback to bite him or her in the butt one day. This goes well beyond racism and even despicable things.

No one's going to take you seriously when you say that not tolerating racism is hypocrisy.

 

[487806]

Ignore it if you like if it makes you feel better about it, but people who adopt your position are setting up a very slippery slope that could easily comeback to bite him or her in the butt one day. This goes well beyond racism and even despicable things.

😕 I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore.

 

[NontradCA]

Besides, everyone can agree that racist or homophobic comments are usually stuff uneducated middle school people say anyway. Noone here would use this behavior, unless they have newfound puberty 😛

What the F KnuxNole!? How can you jump to such conclusions without evidence of their education. People who readily brand those as uneducated without presenting evidence to their education and without knowing the person should not be in medicine? What are you going to do when you have a Christian patient who opposes gay marriage? What if they were a high school drop out? How the hell are you ever going to treat middle schoolers? DAMNIT, WONT YOU PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?

 

[Mr Interesting]

That's my point. You cannot make assumptions to justify vilification of someone you don't like. Unless there is evidence of this, then your comments are completely unfounded.

And "it's not our job to assess the evidence[?]" Then why are so many here trying to judge and determine an adequate sanction if they don't even know the evidence against the accused or even what the student allegedly said. Is the hate so rabid that were are hell bent on destroying those with differing view points regardless of evidence of actual harm done? And there is very much hypocrisy in this thread - every single person who criticizes the OP's classmate for being a racist **** (i.e. intolerant) has also shown great intolerance to that student. That is de facto hypocrisy.

I cannot speak for everyone else. I am not making assumptions here, I am stating that if people from a class had any reason to feel uncomfortable and felt the need to report it, they were in their rights to do so. That's what you are suppose to do. As children we are taught when someone does or says something wrong to us we should tell someone. We are not encouraged to solve it ourselves as this can backfire. If I see someone kicking a puppy around or beating a woman I am not going to go over there and make a citizens arrest. I am going to call the people I am instructed to call in said situations. It's not intolerance or anything else. There will be people in med school and practically every professional setting to handle these types of situations and we have a right to utilize their services.

 

[Corvid]

I cannot speak for everyone else. I am not making assumptions here, I am stating that if people from a class had any reason to feel uncomfortable and felt the need to report it, they were in their rights to do so. That's what you are suppose to do. As children we are taught when someone does or says something wrong to us we should tell someone. We are not encouraged to solve it ourselves as this can backfire. If I see someone kicking a puppy around or beating a woman I am not going to go over there and make a citizens arrest. I am going to call the people I am instructed to call in said situations. It's not intolerance or anything else. There will be people in med school and practically every professional setting to handle these types of situations and we have a right to utilize their services.

Children don't know much about conflict resolution. The someone that they are supposed to tell is a responsible adult. A medical school class is supposed to be filled with responsible and intelligent adults (I mean think how hard it is to get into medical school). I don't think it's wrong to try and solve the situation ourselves. Of course, the administration can be brought in to maybe help mediate things if respectful discourse backfires.

 

[Mr Interesting]

Children don't know much about conflict resolution. The someone that are supposed to tell is a responsible adult. A medical school class is supposed to be filled with responsible adults. I don't think it's wrong to try and solve the situation ourselves. Of course, the administration can be brought in to maybe help mediate things if things back fire.

True Corvid. Medical school is suppose to be filled with responsible adults... but then again if that was true we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I don't mind taking that approach but in most cases it does nothing but escalate to a back and forth pointless argument. It's childish and unprofessional on both sides and ends up being a waste of time. Report it and let the school do what it's suppose to do. If nothing wrong was done no punishment will occur. If something wrong did happen then punishments will follow.

 

[Mr Interesting]

Last time, I checked you are not forced to be friends with anyone on Facebook. If you post horrific things about a particular group on your page then add people to your page from that group or people who may be married to people from the group you are asking for it.

 

[Corvid]

True Corvid. Medical school is suppose to be filled with responsible adults... but then again if that was true we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I don't mind taking that approach but in most cases it does nothing but escalate to a back and forth pointless argument. It's childish and unprofessional on both sides and ends up being a waste of time. Report it and let the school do what it's suppose to do. If nothing wrong was done no punishment will occur. If something wrong did happen then punishments will follow.

This is a reasonable viewpoint. Don't you wish it didn't have to get there? Alas...

 

[Mr Interesting]

This is a reasonable viewpoint. Don't you wish it didn't have to get there? Alas...

Yes, absolutely. I wish everyone was responsible enough not to do things that would offend others and get them reported/punished.

 

[knv2u]

Last time, I checked you are not forced to be friends with anyone on Facebook.

Exactly! And if you think he is a jerk then unfriend him or use the block feature of Facebook! Problem solved.

I cannot speak for everyone else. I am not making assumptions here, I am stating that if people from a class had any reason to feel uncomfortable and felt the need to report it, they were in their rights to do so. That's what you are suppose to do. As children we are taught when someone does or says something wrong to us we should tell someone. We are not encouraged to solve it ourselves as this can backfire. If I see someone kicking a puppy around or beating a woman I am not going to go over there and make a citizens arrest. I am going to call the people I am instructed to call in said situations. It's not intolerance or anything else. There will be people in med school and practically every professional setting to handle these types of situations and we have a right to utilize their services.

And there lies the problem. Apparently you learned from your childhood that tattling is always acceptable. I understand this thread much better now. I would argue that tattling is reserved for extreme situations such as abuse and violence (the examples that you fixate on), but more importantly, assuming that we accept your childhood anecdote as valid, we are not children by the point we go to medical school. So rather than going to administration, we handle our own dirty work. You think his class mate is a jerk; so do I. Call him out on it (if you feel compelled to do so), but don't go tattle like a five year old.

 

[Member10billion]

Haha. I'm sure you did. And congrats for making it through. (Btw, my mom was Panamanian.)

So we agree. But I think the issue is the freedom of prejudiced speech. Sure you have the freedom of speech but should it come with consequences? Should I have the right to make a racist comment to a 5 year old?

IMO, It is absolutely morally reprehensible for someone to make racist comments to a child. But is it illegal? No. Unless the person is harming the child physically or emotionally (not just making the child uncomfortable), our government puts our right to free speech over most other rights. Legally, there may be not much we can do.

 

[knv2u]

No one's going to take you seriously when you say that not tolerating racism is hypocrisy.

Just because I think a clarification is warranted, I have no problem with all of you being annoyed or upset with the student. I am/would be as well. But there is a difference between personally abhorring something and going to the lengths that people in this thread would go to (i.e. to intentionally destroy the student); that is the difference. Moreover, you indicated that the student took down the posts in response to the concern expressed, so why would administration need to punish him (assuming arguendo that such actions are ever appropriate)? Has he posted more statements?

 

[Mr Interesting]

Exactly! And if you think he is a jerk then unfriend him or use the block feature of Facebook! Problem solved.

No he allowed others to view contents of his page knowing it would be considered offensive he should be held accountable for it.

And there lies the problem. Apparently you learned from your childhood that tattling is always acceptable. I understand this thread much better now. I would argue that tattling is reserved for extreme situations such as abuse and violence (the examples that you fixate on), but more importantly, assuming that we accept your childhood anecdote as valid, we are not children by the point we go to medical school. So rather than going to administration, we handle our own dirty work. You think his class mate is a jerk; so do I. Call him out on it, but don't go tattle like a five year old.

That was incredibly immature. Not wanting to escalate a situation and waste time arguing with people doesn't make anyone a five year old tattle tell. We have 6 pages on this thread and yet no resolution. My point was handling it ourselves doesn't always work and can back fire. Though we are not children we are expected to do the right thing and act like adults. Calling someone out which can likely lead to arguing back and forth isn't adult like, it's childish.

 

[knv2u]

No he allowed others to view contents of his page knowing it would be considered offensive he should be held accountable for it.


That was incredibly immature. Not wanting to escalate a situation and waste time arguing with people doesn't make anyone a five year old tattle tell. We have 6 pages on this thread and yet no resolution. My point was handling it ourselves doesn't always work and can back fire. Though we are not children we are expected to do the right thing and act like adults. Calling someone out which can likely lead to arguing back and forth isn't adult like, it's childish.

No more childish than running to administration because you don't like someone else's opinion. And regardless of how it came off, it was sincerely not my intent to personally attack you. Nevertheless, I still think the points are valid. The students could just ignore him; now if he brings it into the classroom, I could understand your perspective a bit more.

 

[Mr Interesting]

No more childish than running to administration because you don't like someone else's opinion. And regardless of how it came off, it was sincerely not my intent to personally attack you. Nevertheless, I still think the points are valid. The students could just ignore him; now if he brings it into the classroom, I could understand your perspective a bit more.

He brought into the classroom by adding his classmates to his page which was his choice. If you add your local police department to your facebook profile then post about crimes you commit and got away with, you will be held accountable when they show up to your door. I wouldn't say it's childish, I would say it's foolish not to think there would not be any consequences. How many people have been fired or suffered some form of punishment for things they post online? Too many. This is nothing new. Be smart about what you post.

 

[knv2u]

He brought into the classroom by adding his classmates to his page which was his choice. If you add your local police department to your facebook profile then post about crimes you commit and got away with, you will be held accountable when they show up to your door. I wouldn't say it's childish, I would say it's foolish not to think there would not be any consequences.

But both are distinguishable. It was an outside forum, and they (the students) can easily restrict contact and exposure to him in a non-academic forum. I think most of them are blowing things out of proportion. Blocking him would work and I think this is a logical implication of one of your posts. It's what I would do. With regards to the crime part, being a racist jerk isn't a crime although I agree it isn't desirable.

 

[NontradCA]

If you're saying that racist remarks should be tolerated I don't agree with you. If you're saying that he shouldn't be witch hunted and should be confronted then yes I agree. I already said that I like to handle things at the lowest level possible. I doubt anything will come of it because there's no proof of it (I don't think) and it's just drama. Just thinking of the drama makes me sick haha. I'm guessing there'll be some sort of social media conduct from the administration etc. If that's the case then I think it's a good thing because person will take some deep reflection.

I'm not one to say what's morally right or wrong. I do have a personal issue with people putting down others or people who undermine others (just look at my post history). Now that I think about it more, I wouldn't want to see the person kicked out.

 

[NontradCA]

But both are distinguishable. It was an outside forum, and they (the students) can easily restrict contact and exposure to him in a non-academic forum. I think most of them are blowing things out of proportion. Blocking him would work and I think this is a logical implication of one of your posts. It's what I would do. With regards to the crime part, being a racist jerk isn't a crime although I agree it isn't desirable.

I take issue with seeing someone put down others (which is what this person was doing), and then being affiliated with me in someway. I couldn't ignore what I saw. This wouldn't be an issue if the person wasn't an idiot and didn't have all their privacy settings on public or at least clean up their fb page when you're accepted to med school. Use some common sense. K I'm done with thread

 

[Patassa]

Oh my God those poor racist people… It’s so inhumane for them to be held accountable for their actions and to punished for spreading their words of hate and a creating an uneasy learning environment.The horror, the madness, the injustice!!

1. Confronting a person when they are doing/saying something wrong is not always the best approach. That can quickly backfire on you. Ever wonder why there’s a human resources in the work place, anonymous tip lines, a report button on every website you can leave your opinion on including this one and facebook?

2. I don’t know how people don’t see how problematic it is for a med student to be spreading messages of hate of a particular group of people who may make up a significant portion of that med schools patient population. Sounds like a disaster to me…

3. Racist people are not victims, though I feel sad they believe what they believe, they often are the victimizers. Please stop pretending they are victims and that it’s so immoral to report them when reporting them is often the best course of action.

Hate and disrespect will not be tolerated. Perhaps you may turn a blind eye to abuse, racism, and bullying but I will not. If you make a comment that makes my female classmates feel extremely uneasy and unsafe around you I will report you. If you make comments that make my minority classmates feel bullied and unsafe I will report you. If you make comments about my classmates who are gay that make them feel outcast I will report you. There are consequences for actions whether its on your personal page or not. It's not like people hacked his account and uncovered all his hate. He added people to his page therefore he should be more responsible about what he puts on there.

I stated two facts from observation and then asked a question based on those facts.
You ignored the question in this quote and in doing so, purposely took my statements out of context. Then you built up a straw man and burned him down.
This is not how to have a honest and productive debate about larger social issues.

What's been interesting to me is this short sighted self righteousness being put forth that feels like they should report anyone for anything they deem to be any subjective descriptor they can imagine. It's as if some of you were born with a perfect PC worldview and vocabulary.

Again, maybe one day it will be your views that are seen as "offensive" and you'll have contributed to a culture of backstabbing and reporting to the highest possible authorities that gives you little time/chance/opportunity to change your views.

 

[aspirantmed]

It's a little sad for SDN to hate so hard on whistle-blowers ... This is why medical errors and unethical conduct in medicine are so under-reported. This is absolutely something that OP handled well; physicians and prospective physicians have the responsibility to look out for unprofessional conduct among their peers.

 

[Mr Interesting]

I stated two facts from observation and then asked a question based on those facts.
You ignored the question in this quote and in doing so, purposely took my statements out of context. Then you built up a straw man and burned him down.
This is not how to have a honest and productive debate about larger social issues.

What's been interesting to me is this short sighted self righteousness being put forth that feels like they should report anyone for anything they deem to be any subjective descriptor they can imagine. It's as if some of you were born with a perfect PC worldview and vocabulary.

Again, maybe one day it will be your views that are seen as "offensive" and you'll have contributed to a culture of backstabbing and reporting to the highest possible authorities that gives you little time/chance/opportunity to change your views.

No I didn’t. Everything is a straw man argument and a red herring to you. It’s actually quite comical.

I stated many times already IF a student felt unsafe and uncomfortable by another student’s words or actions they should be reported. I’ve pointed out a difference from typical yet pathetic racist humor and typical but dangerous and unsettling racist view points. If someone makes you feel unsafe, what makes you think talking to them one on one is the best approach?

I am not contributing to a culture of backstabbing, I am contributing to a better culture where no one feels like an outcast among their peers for being different. Ignoring problems and turning a blind eye to them leads to disasters that could have been prevented if someone just spoke up. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

If there ever is a day my views will be seen as offensive, I will claim full responsibility and welcome the opportunity to better myself if I am indeed guilty. However, this is unlikely to happen because I know I am not invincible and I must use common sense and be responsible about the things that I say and things that I do. It's really not that hard.

 

[sourdoughllama]

It's a little sad for SDN to hate so hard on whistle-blowers ... This is why medical errors and unethical conduct in medicine are so under-reported. This is absolutely something that OP handled well; physicians and prospective physicians have the responsibility to look out for unprofessional conduct among their peers.

Those are two completely different things. Reporting a personal opinion (read: legal) on a non-organizational platform/function vs. reporting medical error or unethical conduct in medicine is not even close to being the same thing. You can be sure that everyone here arguing against reporting him would report a medical error or unethical conduct because it is following pre-set rules and law. Don't be pulling exaggerated examples here brah

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

It's a little sad for SDN to hate so hard on whistle-blowers ... This is why medical errors and unethical conduct in medicine are so under-reported. This is absolutely something that OP handled well; physicians and prospective physicians have the responsibility to look out for unprofessional conduct among their peers.

The worst part is people are overlooking the fact that this is professional school where people's lives are on the line. Then they wonder why some minorities prefer minority doctors and bitch about URM getting into their schools. It's simply not acceptable in a profession where literally people's lives are on the line to gamble on a racist.