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shiftingmirage said:
Rosalind is a fine school. On a volunteering thing, I met an M1 and M3 from Ros, and they were cool and competent. I have no doubt about their abilities as future physicians, or the education they are receiving. If you like Ros, apply, and go there.

I think the reason people shun Ros is because it seems to take a back seat to the Chicago schools. People who apply to Chicago schools do so because they have some interest in being/living in the city. So if a person gets accepted to a school in Chicago, and Ros, they (i would assume) would be more likely pick a school in Chicago, because it is in Chicago. Therefore, it seems like people don't like Ros, but in realty, they just like Chicago. There was also a rumor ~2 yrs ago that Ros accreditation was on probation. It is my understanding that if a school loses its accreditation, it's degrees are meaningless. So people were concerned, if I go to Ros, and the problems aren't fixed, all my time, money, energy will be wasted. As usual, the rumor was false, and Ros accreditation is safe.

Go where you want.
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This is somewhat inaccurate. CMS was in fact put on probation in 2005, but it rectified the issues to the LCME's satisfaction and was taken off of probation the next year. As you said, the school remained fully accredited the entire time.

I generally agree with the rest of your post.
 
shiftingmirage said:
We've omitted the great state of Ohio, home to like 5 med schools.

The Cleveland Clinic (Case) is probably most prestigeous, and most important to future students, has gone tuition FREE. They also have a small class of ~30 students.

OSU is also a good school in that, it is so large (50k+) that it basically offers everything. Its hospital also made some best hospital list
http://health.yahoo.com/featured/25/america-s-best-hospitals-the-2009-10-honor-roll
OSU is a state school, idk if/how many OSS they admit.

I think Wright state has a medical school....there's gotta be some others that I'm forgetting...
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Case Western is not the same as Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine. CCLCM has the small class size and no tuition. Case's classes are more "average-sized" and to my knowledge, students still pay tuition.

Ohio also has University of Toledo, Wright St., and NEOUCOM, among others mentioned in this thread.
 
shiftingmirage said:
We've omitted the great state of Ohio, home to like 5 med schools.

The Cleveland Clinic (Case) is probably most prestigeous, and most important to future students, has gone tuition FREE. They also have a small class of ~30 students.

OSU is also a good school in that, it is so large (50k+) that it basically offers everything. Its hospital also made some best hospital list
http://health.yahoo.com/featured/25/america-s-best-hospitals-the-2009-10-honor-roll
OSU is a state school, idk if/how many OSS they admit.

I think Wright state has a medical school....there's gotta be some others that I'm forgetting...
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University of Cincinnati.
 
kappa09 said:
Case Western is not the same as Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine. CCLCM has the small class size and no tuition. Case's classes are more "average-sized" and to my knowledge, students still pay tuition.
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CCLCM is actually part of Case, so they aren't two different schools. Even though the Cleveland Clinic is jointly sponsoring our program, we are Case medical students, and Case awards our degrees. It's a little confusing, but the nutshell explanation is that Case has three programs: MSTP (the MD/PhD program), CCLCM (five year research MD program), and University Program (UP, the regular four year program). CCLCM has its own separate classes for the first two years of medical school, and then the research and clinical rotation requirements are done combined with the rest of Case. There are 32 students per class at CCLCM, and about 135 in the UP class (plus about 10 or so MSTP students). Both the CCLCM and MSTP programs are tuition-free, and the MSTP students also receive a stipend for living expenses. (A few CCLCM students do too, but they are on scholarship.) Unfortunately, the UP students do not get free tuition, although some of them get scholarships.

If anyone is interested in reading about the three Case programs, here is the website: http://casemed.case.edu/admissions/programs/index.cfm
 
shiftingmirage said:
We've omitted the great state of Ohio, home to like 5 med schools.

The Cleveland Clinic (Case) is probably most prestigeous, and most important to future students, has gone tuition FREE. They also have a small class of ~30 students.

OSU is also a good school in that, it is so large (50k+) that it basically offers everything. Its hospital also made some best hospital list
http://health.yahoo.com/featured/25/america-s-best-hospitals-the-2009-10-honor-roll
OSU is a state school, idk if/how many OSS they admit.

I think Wright state has a medical school....there's gotta be some others that I'm forgetting...
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how can people forget our great state of ohio!

however, as an ohioan, I have to tell you that Wright State is the most prestigious. They are the only loyal school to ohioans, i.e. 98% are instate. Case Western, OSU and Cincy are all sell outs. Some of them have stooped so low as to allow 50% OOSers in!!!

okay, i'm kidding. I have nothing against them, since i got accepted to Cincy and OSU, but they are still sell outs!!!!
 
My mom is an ER doctor, makes $250 grand a year, likes her job, and enjoys her life.


And she went to (stop reading, ye faint of heart)..................................................................Rosalind Franklin.

Woohoo.

**** like this cracks me up. Who gives a rat's ass. Your going to be an MD no matter where you go.
 
lol MD or DO for that matter....

and yeah based on the 2008 statistics from that spreadsheet thing...it seems as if the easiest schools in Chicago are University of Illinois at Chicago and Rush Medical College....Rosalind Franklin apparently selects smarter applicants ha
 
HOW did this get more than 2000 views?!!! That's crazy, I hate everyone that looked lol they are all my competition.....JK good LUCK everyone!!!!!!

May the best applicant win🙂
 
PreMedHopeful said:
HOW did this get more than 2000 views?!!! That's crazy, I hate everyone that looked lol they are all my competition.....JK good LUCK everyone!!!!!!

May the best applicant win🙂
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And that would be me. 😀
 
phospho said:
how can people forget our great state of ohio!

however, as an ohioan, I have to tell you that Wright State is the most prestigious. They are the only loyal school to ohioans, i.e. 98% are instate. Case Western, OSU and Cincy are all sell outs. Some of them have stooped so low as to allow 50% OOSers in!!!

okay, i'm kidding. I have nothing against them, since i got accepted to Cincy and OSU, but they are still sell outs!!!!
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You can't count Case because it's not a state school. There are way more than 50% OOSers here, including me. :laugh:
 
oh wow what other schools in MIDWEST/Chicago are OOS friendly besides Case, I have the MSAR book so I'll probably look into it soon
 
thanks DrYoda any more OOS friendly med schools near Chicago???

How about Minnesota, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan schools???
 
isnt there a school in Ohio or near midwest that is FREE or something?? like no tuition scholarships?? Also, what medical schools in midwest are easiest to get into, I know none are easy but relatively easy if you have a 3.6 gpa and 30 MCAT.....

Also, what schools in Midwest are most prestigious like Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, and Northwestern types.....
 
PreMedHopeful said:
thanks DrYoda any more OOS friendly med schools near Chicago???

How about Minnesota, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan schools???
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Umich lets in a decent amount of OSS, you'd probably need pretty big numbers though. MCW is also friendly to OSS. I don't know much about the other states.



PreMedHopeful said:
isnt there a school in Ohio or near midwest that is FREE or something?? like no tuition scholarships?? Also, what medical schools in midwest are easiest to get into, I know none are easy but relatively easy if you have a 3.6 gpa and 30 MCAT.....

Also, what schools in Midwest are most prestigious like Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, and Northwestern types.....
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The Cleveland Clinic Lerners program is the free one, you apply to it through Case Western. It's a 5 year program that includes a research year

The easiest schools will be your state schools.

Don't get to hung up on prestige, it really doesn't matter as much as SDN makes it seem. But other than the ones you listed UChicago, Mayo, UMich and WashU would be other really prestigious schools.
 
PreMedHopeful said:
isnt there a school in Ohio or near midwest that is FREE or something?? like no tuition scholarships?? Also, what medical schools in midwest are easiest to get into, I know none are easy but relatively easy if you have a 3.6 gpa and 30 MCAT.....

Also, what schools in Midwest are most prestigious like Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, and Northwestern types.....
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My school (CCLCM) is the school that is tuition-free. It's the research MD track at Case. Go to the Case Western entry in the MSAR, and you'll find it. You can also go to the CCLCM webpage.

PreMedHopeful said:
oh wow what other schools in MIDWEST/Chicago are OOS friendly besides Case, I have the MSAR book so I'll probably look into it soon
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Come on, man, why are you wasting people's time posting this question on SDN when you can easily find the answer in the MSAR? Seriously, just open your MSAR and read about the schools in the Midwest. It answers most of the questions you've already asked, and probably most of the other questions that you're going to ask in the future.
 
yeah sorry, I just ordered the book and haven't gotten it yet so I was curious....The book should arrive in the mail in about a week...good luck to all and wow you must have had great stats for such a great program....it seems awesome!
 
PreMedHopeful said:
yeah sorry, I just ordered the book and haven't gotten it yet so I was curious....The book should arrive in the mail in about a week...good luck to all and wow you must have had great stats for such a great program....it seems awesome!
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Aww, now you made me feel bad for ragging on you. :laugh:

General rule is that private schools don't favor residents of any state and public schools do, but there are exceptions. If you're from IL, you should apply to all the IL public schools to take advantage of their preference for state residents. The MSAR will give you the percent OOS students for each school so you can decide if it's worth applying as an IL resident.

Stats for CCLCM are the same as for Case. (I'm telling you this because when you look in the MSAR, you won't see separate stats for CCLCM, and that's because our stats are averaged in with the rest of Case.) But Case, and CCLCM in particular, cares a lot about fit. So even though your stats are kind of on the low side for Case, if you think you'd be a good fit, you shouldn't let that stop you from applying.

Good luck with your apps.
 
ha I have that special effect on people, i can make people easily feel sorry for me, and this works great with girls hahahaha no but seriously just give a girl that kinda sad frown look and they will do just about anything I'm learning in college especiallly😉
 
PreMedHopeful said:
ha I have that special effect on people, i can make people easily feel sorry for me, and this works great with girls hahahaha no but seriously just give a girl that kinda sad frown look and they will do just about anything I'm learning in college especiallly😉
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Haha, milk it while you can. Eventually the girls will wisen up and kick your sad sack out. 😉
 
PreMedHopeful said:
isnt there a school in Ohio or near midwest that is FREE or something?? like no tuition scholarships??
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I thought another school was giving out 1/2 tuition scholarships starting w/ class of 2012 and was hoping to go completely tuition free in the next few years. I want to say it's Mayo but could be wrong.
 
haha I thought girls are more fun in med school when you learn sex ed in detail haha
 
DrYoda said:
Well technically they don't charge tuition, they only charge fees. So the in-state tuition rate is in fact zero, but they pay thousands of dollars in fees.

http://www.medstudent.ucla.edu/current/fao/default.cfm?pgID=191
http://registrar.ucsd.edu/Fees/Fees.aspx?Term=SP09&Type=SOM
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Do you know why they do? I mean, a rose by any other name, it's still money going from one pocket to another pocket for educational reasons is still tuition even if they call it a fee.
 
shiftingmirage said:
Do you know why they do? I mean, a rose by any other name, it's still money going from one pocket to another pocket for educational reasons is still tuition even if they call it a fee.
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I'm not really sure. Maybe so they can say they have no tutition to the USnews and World Report:laugh:.
 
DrYoda said:
I'm not really sure. Maybe so they can say they have no tutition to the USnews and World Report:laugh:.
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I just think it's misleading at least, and complete crap at most. My school offers summer research grant of like 6k or something, but then turn around and charge you an $800 registration fee. So they give you money, only to take part of it back. Although it is the same amount either way, I would rather the grant be $800 less, than for them to give you the money and take it back.
 
so if I want to apply to California medical schools, theres no tuition but just fees like equipment and books, like that seems significantly cheaper???

Is that why its so competitive to go to med school in California???

Please let me know.
 
PreMedHopeful said:
so if I want to apply to California medical schools, theres no tuition but just fees like equipment and books, like that seems significantly cheaper???

Is that why its so competitive to go to med school in California???

Please let me know.
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The UCLA link (s)he posted said a Reg. fee (registration?) is 26k and there is an out of state fee of 12k, so for OOSers, there is 38k in fees, but hey, it's tuition free!

I think Cali is competitive because (1) it is the most populated state in the country (50-some odd electoral votes) and (2) it's cali. People like nice weather, beaches. It kind of has a reputation for being a cool place. Hollywood is there, lots of celebs call it home. It also home to lots of big cities, I'm an urban person myself, and wanted to be a large city, but don't like hot weather. If you are interested in plastics or derm, I would think Cali would be the best place to go.
 
Derm is cool, but I'm interested in Anesthesiology, Family medicine, Surgery, or Opthalomology---any specific med schools you recommend I apply to???

I love California by the way because it's awesome weather, beaches, awesome cities, I LOVE the Bay area, San Diego, and even northern Cali...it's a great state even if it has financial issues like no other...
 
Derm is cool, but I'm interested in Anesthesiology, Family medicine, Surgery, or Opthalomology---any specific med schools you recommend I apply to???

I love California by the way because it's awesome weather, beaches, awesome cities, I LOVE the Bay area, San Diego, and even northern Cali...it's a great state even if it has financial issues like no other...
 
shiftingmirage said:
The UCLA link (s)he posted said a Reg. fee (registration?) is 26k and there is an out of state fee of 12k, so for OOSers, there is 38k in fees, but hey, it's tuition free!

I think Cali is competitive because (1) it is the most populated state in the country (50-some odd electoral votes) and (2) it's cali. People like nice weather, beaches. It kind of has a reputation for being a cool place. Hollywood is there, lots of celebs call it home. It also home to lots of big cities, I'm an urban person myself, and wanted to be a large city, but don't like hot weather. If you are interested in plastics or derm, I would think Cali would be the best place to go.
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I want to add that perhaps the main reason the UC's are so competitive is that we have a large pre-med population (because we have a large population in the first place) but we haven't opened any new medical schools in forever. The demand for medical school has gone up among CA residents, but the supply of medical school seats has been pretty much constanst. So that makes for a tough time getting into the UC's. And it makes it that much tougher for those from outside of CA.

I forget the statistic, but I thought it might be almost 40% of CA pre-meds go out-of-state for medical school. New York seems to be the most populat destination...

The best CA schools to look at are the privates schools that have no residency preference (Stanford, USC, and Loma Linda if you're a Seventh Day Adventist or hold similar beliefs) and UCLA and UCSF. I'm not sure about UCSD, but UCI and UCD accept almost no out of state applicants. I don't know about the up-and-coming UC Riverside and Merced medical schools (or if they'll even open with our current budget problems...)

Of course, if you're a CA resident, then all is fair game 🙂. Unfortunately, us CA residents don't get anywhere near the amount of love from our state schools as those from every other state.
 
well Chicago residents have FIERCE competition as well with schools like Loyola, Northwestern, and UofChicago getting so many applications every year...I find med school applying is the stressful, most nerve=wracking experience of my life...everytime I want to have fun in college, I think oh no, I have to worry about this or that...This is why doctors deserve high salaries because they worked hard to get where they are...in my opinon, its the hardest profession to get and become successful at...
 
PreMedHopeful said:
well Chicago residents have FIERCE competition as well with schools like Loyola, Northwestern, and UofChicago getting so many applications every year...
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Yeah, it's annoying, especially with places like Texas that are so in-state friendly. It is frustrating to see that UIC, a state university, accepted some 90 OOS while not even offering me an interview, and I'm instate.

PreMedHopeful said:
...I find med school applying is the stressful, most nerve=wracking experience of my life...everytime I want to have fun in college, I think oh no, I have to worry about this or that...This is why doctors deserve high salaries because they worked hard to get where they are...in my opinon, its the hardest profession to get and become successful at. ...
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I disagree. Yes, the application process blows, but there are so many worse things out there. There are people out there who have lost one or both parents prematurely, lost a sibling to disease. In Chicago, we have a decent amount of gun violence. Imagine as a parent you kid is killed by a drive by. There was a kid recently who was in bed sleeping when a stray bullet hit him. Stuff like that makes applying to med school look real easy.

I also don't agree that it is the hardest profession. Think about all those in the military that are fighting a war, knowing that they may very well be killed, or severly injured in combat. They are away from their family for extended periods of time, and they can't just whip out the cell phone as they please.

~45% of the people that apply to medical school get it. Once you graduate, you are basically guarenteed a job. Being a doctor is not a kjob that can be outsourced. As the population grows, so will the need for physicians. Ask anyone who was laid off/lost their job with the current economy, I'm sure they'll agree that eternal employment sounds like a good deal.

Lastely-salary. I'm interested in EM, so as an attending I can work 3 12 hr shifts a week, and make ~250k. How nice is it to only have to report to work 3 days a week. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.
 
shiftingmirage said:
Yeah, it's annoying, especially with places like Texas that are so in-state friendly. It is frustrating to see that UIC, a state university, accepted some 90 OOS while not even offering me an interview, and I'm instate.



I disagree. Yes, the application process blows, but there are so many worse things out there. There are people out there who have lost one or both parents prematurely, lost a sibling to disease. In Chicago, we have a decent amount of gun violence. Imagine as a parent you kid is killed by a drive by. There was a kid recently who was in bed sleeping when a stray bullet hit him. Stuff like that makes applying to med school look real easy.

I also don't agree that it is the hardest profession. Think about all those in the military that are fighting a war, knowing that they may very well be killed, or severly injured in combat. They are away from their family for extended periods of time, and they can't just whip out the cell phone as they please.

~45% of the people that apply to medical school get it. Once you graduate, you are basically guarenteed a job. Being a doctor is not a kjob that can be outsourced. As the population grows, so will the need for physicians. Ask anyone who was laid off/lost their job with the current economy, I'm sure they'll agree that eternal employment sounds like a good deal.

Lastely-salary. I'm interested in EM, so as an attending I can work 3 12 hr shifts a week, and make ~250k. How nice is it to only have to report to work 3 days a week. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.
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That's a little deceiving. There are lots and lots of people that get weeded out even before applying.
 
shiftingmirage said:
I also don't agree that it is the hardest profession. Think about all those in the military that are fighting a war, knowing that they may very well be killed, or severly injured in combat. They are away from their family for extended periods of time, and they can't just whip out the cell phone as they please.
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Agreed 👍 But I think it may be equally hard just in a very different way.
 
I'm jealous of you because you are in med school in Chicago and you are done with applying nonsense and I hate you right now!😛
 
PreMedHopeful said:
I'm jealous of you because you are in med school in Chicago and you are done with applying nonsense and I hate you right now!😛
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Would it be bad for me to mention that when you apply for residency you get to go through another application process?
 
MN premed said:
Agreed 👍 But I think it may be equally hard just in a very different way.
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Very true. It also depends on the person. I could be moderately satisified being a tax preparer, but I bet most of my friends would rather shoot themselves in the foot.
 
Do MED SCHOOLS screen people based on SDN, facebook, and such?????
 
U of C- I didn't actually go to this interview, but I heard lots of praise for the admissions office being the nicest group of folks ever. It's in a nicer part of Chicago. Lots of scholarship money.[/QUOTE]


Having grown up in Chicago (and also not having a car and relying completely on public transpo) I'm going to have to completely disagree with you on this point. Hyde Park is an island of academia (and some prosperity) surrounded by miles of pretty rough neighborhood. While parts are nice, its definitely not the "nicer part of Chicago" and easily the the "least nice" area of all the Chi schools and the farthest from downtown (including Loyola which is not even in Chicago)
 
DaBears5 said:
U of C- I didn't actually go to this interview, but I heard lots of praise for the admissions office being the nicest group of folks ever. It's in a nicer part of Chicago. Lots of scholarship money.


Having grown up in Chicago (and also not having a car and relying completely on public transpo) I'm going to have to completely disagree with you on this point. Hyde Park is an island of academia (and some prosperity) surrounded by miles of pretty rough neighborhood. While parts are nice, its definitely not the "nicer part of Chicago" and easily the the "least nice" area of all the Chi schools and the farthest from downtown (including Loyola which is not even in Chicago)
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agreed, area outside of Hyde Park isn't the best and can be downright dangerous given the time of day and direction you stray, but the rest of the school absolutely blew me away and more than made up for it. Oh, and common sense helps. 🙄
 
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