I am.... a traitor.

[stoic]

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I am a traitor. I applied to one MD school and the rest DO schools this year. The MD school is my state school and they just accepted me for early decision.

Here's the deal: I really want to go to a DO school. I like the people, the atmosphere, and the philosphy... BUT, the cost difference between my state school and a DO school is about 20K a year 😱 ! As such, I'm 95% sure I'm going to go to KU med instead of a DO school.

Should I cancel my interviews with DO schools? The thing is that if the cost were similar, I would go to a DO school over MD. But they're not and I can't really see the extra 20K a year to do basically the same job in the end.

Thoughts?

 

[Sense]

I am a traitor. I applied to one MD school and the rest DO schools this year. The MD school is my state school and they just accepted me for early decision.

Here's the deal: I really want to go to a DO school. I like the people, the atmosphere, and the philosphy... BUT, the cost difference between my state school and a DO school is about 20K a year 😱 ! As such, I'm 95% sure I'm going to go to KU med instead of a DO school.

Should I cancel my interviews with DO schools? The thing is that if the cost were similar, I would go to a DO school over MD. But they're not and I can't really see the extra 20K a year to do basically the same job in the end.

Thoughts?

It's an easy decision. Go to the state school simply because it's a lot cheaper. Think of it like a scholarship. It will save you a lot of heartache in the end. This is a decision irrespective of MD or DO, but of common sense.

 

[uclabruin2003]

It's an easy decision. Go to the state school simply because it's a lot cheaper. Think of it like a scholarship. It will save you a lot of heartache in the end. This is a decision irrespective of MD or DO, but of common sense.

i'll second that...if you really want to use OMM...then go to DO otherwise...have fun at KU. congrats.

 

[cooldreams]

the state school is looking pretty good now. but if you are really that much more into some of the other schools, then interview at them as well and see what they offer you. i have heard of very nice scholarship packages given out that might makeup for the difference in cost you are looking at, or at least close enough to mean something to you. either way, looks like you are gonna be a doc... congrats!

also, geez, dont think yourself as a traitor... we are all trying to become docs... 😉

 

[DrMom]

I'm all about osteopathic medicine, but I think it would be smarter to go to the state school (which you say you like) and save the big $$.

 

[ockhamsRzr]

Congrats on the EDP Stoic!

Now relax and enjoy the next ten months...

Ock

 

[jonb12997]

Save the money, you can always get extra training later in OMM... congrates though!

 

[docbill]

First congradulations.

Cheaper the better. You can learn OMM after you finish your medical degree (If you choose to). We have an Osteopathic school in Canada (Toronto/Montreal) that teaches health care professions only to get a diploma in OMM.

-Go to state school.. remember the osteopathic believes and apply them in the future. And if you meet a DO you will be more welcoming and set an example for others.

BEST OF LUCK

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I have never heard of a private DO school offering scholarships .. big ones.. so if you have more info please share which school.

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

I am a traitor. I applied to one MD school and the rest DO schools this year. The MD school is my state school and they just accepted me for early decision.

Here's the deal: I really want to go to a DO school. I like the people, the atmosphere, and the philosphy... BUT, the cost difference between my state school and a DO school is about 20K a year 😱 ! As such, I'm 95% sure I'm going to go to KU med instead of a DO school.

Should I cancel my interviews with DO schools? The thing is that if the cost were similar, I would go to a DO school over MD. But they're not and I can't really see the extra 20K a year to do basically the same job in the end.

Thoughts?

Hey Benedict Arnold,

Get off the osteopathic boards immediately...your are no longer welcome!

If you are not willing to shell out an additional 20K/year for the right to be called Stoic, DO then I question your commitment to this fine field of medicine and I want nothing to do with you.







🙄 Now come on...stop sulking and go get a beer...you are in and you'll have more finiancial freedom in the end.

The only thing I would recommend at this point is to interview at that one other geographically convenient DO school down the street and tell them straigft up that you prefer their school, but you cannot turn your back on the great finiancial divide...I bet that they would do all they could to match the cost with some scholarship $$$. DO schools pride themselves on having students that prefer their philosophy over the mainstream allopathic one.

I think you have some bargaining leverage here, because you are in a very good position. You win either way.

 

[Chronotropic]

Save your money and go to the state school. I know that KU/the state of kansas in particular gives out nice finaid packages to instate students (especially those wanting to do primary care in rural areas). So the difference could very well be more than just the 20K in published tuition differences. Don't forget that KU is primary care "oriented." And if it helps I was talking to a representitive from the KU fp residency program at hospial day recently. She told me that they are incorperating OMT into it and that they are trying to get it dual accredited. They're working with KCOM or KCUMB to get it done. I forget which, I was pretty much in the grab as much free stuff from the booths as I could mode so alot of stuff didn't sink in.

BTW aren't obligated to go to a school that takes you EDP?

 

[EvoDevo]

Way to go, Stoic!!

And do what JMC said. Otherwise, time to kick back!!

 

[stoic]

Save your money and go to the state school. I know that KU/the state of kansas in particular gives out nice finaid packages to instate students (especially those wanting to do primary care in rural areas). So the difference could very well be more than just the 20K in published tuition differences. Don't forget that KU is primary care "oriented." And if it helps I was talking to a representitive from the KU fp residency program at hospial day recently. She told me that they are incorperating OMT into it and that they are trying to get it dual accredited. They're working with KCOM or KCUMB to get it done. I forget which, I was pretty much in the grab as much free stuff from the booths as I could mode so alot of stuff didn't sink in.

BTW aren't obligated to go to a school that takes you EDP?

That's pretty cool about the KU FP residency trying to get dual accrediation.

I'm obligated to go only attend KU through AMCAS. I'm free to decline their offer and matriculate at a non-amcas school (at least this is what my premed advisor told me)

 

[i61164]

Part of your Early Decision contract is that you have committed to go there if they accept you. I assume you can get away with interviewing at DO schools because they don't use AMCAS. However, if a DO school offers you a scholarship, they will effectively be stealing a student that has already made a commitment to another school. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems a little shady.


edit: looks like somebody beat me to it.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

I agree with JMC (share it with the DO school of choice and see if they'll budge... and also CONGRATS man! I just got my first acceptance to a DO school as well. 👍

 

[taylor92107]

Stoic........are you kidding? Go to the state school, save your $$$$.
Congrats 👍 👍

 

[stoic]

Well, ethics questions be damned. I'm gonna go to the state school. It's just such a good deal financially. But I'll always pour one out for my DO hommies.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

Well, ethics questions be damned. I'm gonna go to the state school. It's just such a good deal financially. But I'll always pour one out for my DO hommies.

Good luck with your decision future colleague!! I will pour one out for the ethical MD.

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

Well, ethics questions be damned. I'm gonna go to the state school. It's just such a good deal financially. But I'll always pour one out for my DO hommies.

Dude...you know you'll be at the country club with your elitist buddies scoffing at the lowly old back-woods DO docs who "settled" for family practice rather than gunned for top seat at those ENT and derm residencies.

In a couple years you'll be telling pre-meds to seriously reconsider their decision of becoming DOs...resist the power of the Dark Side Luke.

Yea, you'll pour out some Natural Light or Pabst Blue Ribbon for your homies, but will we get any of your Moet or Courvoisier love? Doubt it. You're all alike....damn elitist swines

Can you tell that I am really putting off studying for my OMM practical this coming Monday? Engage the barrier, increase vascularity...alright, alright I'll get back to work.

 

[EvoDevo]

Dude...you know you'll be at the country club with your elitist buddies scoffing at the lowly old back-woods DO docs who "settled" for family practice rather than gunned for top seat at those ENT and derm residencies.

In a couple years you'll be telling pre-meds to seriously reconsider their decision of becoming DOs...resist the power of the Dark Side Luke.

Yea, you'll pour out some Natural Light or Pabst Blue Ribbon for your homies, but will we get any of your Moet or Courvoisier love? Doubt it. You're all alike....damn elitist swines

Can you tell that I am really putting off studying for my OMM practical this coming Monday? Engage the barrier, increase vascularity...alright, alright I'll get back to work.

One of the funniest posts I've read in a while. 👍

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

One of the funniest posts I've read in a while. 👍

Thanks Evo - do I call 'em like I see 'em or what?

 

[EvoDevo]

Thanks Evo - do I call 'em like I see 'em or what?

True.







Except that my Possibly-to-be DO ass is gunning for surgery.

 

[boysetsfire]

if i had to do it all over again, i would not go to a DO school. I Guess its personal, but I'm getting frustrated now worrying about what fields are DO Friendly, and what states are DO populated. Also, worrying about being licensed in the 5 states and having to do an osteopathic internship is a little disheartening. But, I never got accepted to MD school, and I am happy with the things I have learned, but I would definitely go MD if I had to do it again.

 

[JMC_MarineCorps]

if i had to do it all over again, i would not go to a DO school. I Guess its personal, but I'm getting frustrated now worrying about what fields are DO Friendly, and what states are DO populated. Also, worrying about being licensed in the 5 states and having to do an osteopathic internship is a little disheartening. But, I never got accepted to MD school, and I am happy with the things I have learned, but I would definitely go MD if I had to do it again.

Just play the game man...hang in there and keep your head up. Don't think short term, i.e. internship and DO friendly states...I know its hard in this pop-culture, instant gratification, MTV subculture of today's youth...but in the long-term my friend...you will be a PAID-IN-FULL bona fide doc in all fiddy (that's 50) states -- or wait is that 49? I think Louisiana has beef, but freakin-A, who wants to live in/serve that community? Not I (but this applies to the entire Deep South as far as I am concerned).

Now, I don't know where you are from or what year you are in...but as long as you remeber that sometimes you have to dance for the Man and play the game you'll be a better man and more at ease with the opportunities that you'll have in the future. Granted, there might be some inherent limitations to opportunities that you'll have in the future...for the most part, the rate-limiting-step will be you...that is, if you score low to mediocre on your boards and have average clinical rotation evaluations then this limits your opportunities no matter what you feel driven to specialize in or where you intend to practice.

Just as there have been no hand-outs in getting as far as you have come, there are no forseeable hand-outs in the future...the struggle will not be brought on by oppression against the underqualified and intellectually inferior DOs, but instead it will (or will not) be manifested on the basis of your performance and professionalism.

99.9% of the bottom line rests on how well we do and what defines our personal and professional character...you take care of that and the sky is the limit....anyone who tells you different is insecure and trying to psych you out. Period, the end!

Let me just state for the record, however, that I understand the thought process of your personal feelings and I am in no way some fanatical, die-hard osteopathic student...I've just been around the block and I understand human behavior.

When you are good, you are good...no matter what color or flavor you are. And if you are a sh*tbird...well you are a sh*tbird no matter what coat/uniform you put on.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

You mentioned in another thread that you want to do general surgery. You'll be fine 👍

 

[medic170]

if i had to do it all over again, i would not go to a DO school. I Guess its personal, but I'm getting frustrated now worrying about what fields are DO Friendly, and what states are DO populated. Also, worrying about being licensed in the 5 states and having to do an osteopathic internship is a little disheartening. But, I never got accepted to MD school, and I am happy with the things I have learned, but I would definitely go MD if I had to do it again.

1. All 50 states give DO's full practice rights, the same as MD's. No worry there.

2. You don't HAVE to do an osteopathic internship and residency. You can do an allopathic one, many many DO's do.

3. Most all fields are DO friendly. Check out the matchlists from DO schools, there are many DO's in ALL of the specialties.

 

[Doctor Peloncito]

Well, ethics questions be damned. I'm gonna go to the state school. It's just such a good deal financially. But I'll always pour one out for my DO hommies.

You can always come party with us DO homies at the plaza or westport. Congrats on the EDP at KU. You should come for an interview at Kcumb if invited, it's kindof fun going to an interview when you know it doesn't matter how you do 😉

 

[docbill]

I would love to do that.. go in to interviews you know you don't care about.. (and have money to spare.. to travel there) and do the complete opposite. George did it and it worked for him.

I would not dress up.. talk about legalizing drugs... and instead of answering there questions I would responce with a question for them. Than I would cut it short and say sorry, I have to go smoke a dubyyy with some MS2 girls I met in your school.

 

[Doctor Peloncito]

I would love to do that.. go in to interviews you know you don't care about.. (and have money to spare.. to travel there) and do the complete opposite. George did it and it worked for him.

I would not dress up.. talk about legalizing drugs... and instead of answering there questions I would responce with a question for them. Than I would cut it short and say sorry, I have to go smoke a dubyyy with some MS2 girls I met in your school.

I'll take your sarcasm for what it is, but I'm serious about interviewing when you know you are going to go to med school somewhere. My interview at KCUMB was so stress free. As for the money, the dude is local, so it's like ten bucks to have his suit pressed and a buck in gas to drive across town and get a free lunch.

 

[docbill]

I'll take your sarcasm for what it is, but I'm serious about interviewing when you know you are going to go to med school somewhere. My interview at KCUMB was so stress free. As for the money, the dude is local, so it's like ten bucks to have his suit pressed and a buck in gas to drive across town and get a free lunch.

I know it is kind of silly. You can tell I was bored. But really, I am happy for him getting in so soon and not having to worry about waiting and more interviews 👍

 

[OrthoFixation]

OP, congrats on the acceptance. I also will look at the financial side very closely. An additional $60K - $80K debt is serious and should be considered accordingly.

Great going. I'm applying to KU as an out-of-stater.

 

[sophiejane]

Ortho, you should consider very seriously your decision to apply out of state (aren't you from Tejas?)....it's just not worth the money. That is some really scary debt, unless you go military or national service corps.

Going state is a no-brainer. Congrats to you, Stoic. I hope you spread some DO love at your school and we'll see you on the wards...

 

[OrthoFixation]

Ortho, you should consider very seriously your decision to apply out of state (aren't you from Tejas?)....it's just not worth the money. That is some really scary debt, unless you go military or national service corps.

Hey sophiejane, I hear what you are saying. Believe me, I want to minimize the debt, just as stoic is wise for taking the in-state option. Paying $30K+ per year and being a physician is better than not being a doc. In the end, $30K / yr is still a bargain for the long term. I'm applying many places, IS and OOS.