I am in Canada and why are family med docs making more than surgeons.

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Practicing evidence based medicine, its much easier when the patients don't complain about having to pay their $10 copay. As in the McDonalds scenario is prevented (i.e. going to doc, paying $xx, getting a Rx), which eventually leads to pressure on the physicians, bad reviews etc.
Why don't we ask VA doctors if they're immune from complaints

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Why don't we ask VA doctors if they're immune from complaints

That's fair,

Anecdotal though, I use the Canadian system, and haven't come across dissatisfaction from the primary care standpoint as frequently. Also, anecdotally, haven't had issues with seeing subspecialist (wait time wise). But this might be the grass being greener on the other side.
 
I live in a small Canadian city of about 45,000. Also, in my province, it is mandatory for all health professions to post their salaries online. And almost all the family med docs in my city are making between 300K - 600K. And the ones who own their own single practice are making more than a million. And the surgeons who are working in hospitals are only making 200,000 - 500,000. Why is this?
Because they deserve it darn it. It's high time someone in FP made some serious money.
 
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I always thought that primary care docs should be paid a fee to be considered someone's PCP since you do a lot of things in the background that are not reimbursed. I feel that we went into it to be altruistic but then society thinks you owe them something and demand things that are unfair (like knowing everything them, keep them healthy, prevent them from getting cancer, act like their friend, cure their acute issues, referrals, prior authorization, DMEs...) when they show up once a year in your office, not follow your advice, do bad things to their body...ugh...being a PCP is exhausting but deserves to be paid.

I'd like to at least charge $25-50/month per patient to be worth it even if the clinic only has a 500 pt panel. Pt doesn't have to pay, maybe the system that employs you or their insurance company.
 
The biggest advantage Canadian docs have is their billing and EMR. The EMR is simple without all the crap we have to put into it and the billing is basic. Their doctors are happy because they don't get burned out from insurance and documentation.
 
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I always thought that primary care docs should be paid a fee to be considered someone's PCP since you do a lot of things in the background that are not reimbursed. I feel that we went into it to be altruistic but then society thinks you owe them something and demand things that are unfair (like knowing everything them, keep them healthy, prevent them from getting cancer, act like their friend, cure their acute issues, referrals, prior authorization, DMEs...) when they show up once a year in your office, not follow your advice, do bad things to their body...ugh...being a PCP is exhausting but deserves to be paid.

I'd like to at least charge $25-50/month per patient to be worth it even if the clinic only has a 500 pt panel. Pt doesn't have to pay, maybe the system that employs you or their insurance company.
Its called Direct Primary Care.
 
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