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To be perfectly fair, lots of NFPs send secondaries to everyone that applies.
i don't understand why i was rejected from RVUCOM
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To be perfectly fair, lots of NFPs send secondaries to everyone that applies.
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Uh, CUSOM does that too. They're not for profit, and they'll send secondaries to all applicants even if there's absolutely no chance of being accepted based on their primary.
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RVU did you a favor by rejecting you. That school is nothing but trouble.
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Interesting how much conjecture there is on this thread...
RVU, they only offer interviews to people they are certain they'd accept based off of paper. So, they accept about 75% of the people they interview. They brought their board score numbers WAY up from their first year in their 3rd class (2014 class) and everything they do is based on them getting board scores.
As for "nothing but trouble" you know this how?? Oh right, likely no first hand experience, just based on rumors, which are largely based on untruths...
People get over yourselves... LECOM sends secondaries to everyone, so does DMU, AZCOM, CCOM, SOMA, KCOM, PCOM, Western, PNWU, Touro, Nova, etc... The ONLY DO school I encountered, which is the vast majority who did NOT was KCUMB...
Let's not forget that LECOM takes a non-refundable 1500$ deposit within 30 days of acceptance, RVU asks for 250$...
RVU, they only offer interviews to people they are certain they'd accept based off of paper. So, they accept about 75% of the people they interview. They brought their board score numbers WAY up from their first year in their 3rd class (2014 class) and everything they do is based on them getting board scores.
As for "nothing but trouble" you know this how?? Oh right, likely no first hand experience, just based on rumors, which are largely based on untruths...
People get over yourselves... LECOM sends secondaries to everyone, so does DMU, AZCOM, CCOM, SOMA, KCOM, PCOM, Western, PNWU, Touro, Nova, etc... The ONLY DO school I encountered, which is the vast majority who did NOT was KCUMB...
Let's not forget that LECOM takes a non-refundable 1500$ deposit within 30 days of acceptance, RVU asks for 250$...
So what you're saying is that... RVU is more money-hungry than all the other DO schools right?
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75% acceptance rate is not a positive. It means they have to accept almost everyone they interview to fill a class.
Also their match list is atrocious. Perhaps it will get better but from the info we have now it would be better to Accept any other us school before going to rvu
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I think the fact of the matter is, you got interviews which are more than a lot of people do so regardless of where it is be happy.if you had your sights set on a certain school and got shut down that sucks, I'm sure many med students have felt your pain, but getting one yes is what is important in becomeming a physician. Hope your interviews go well! Best of luck!
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No. Hardly...
Match list? Whatever, for a first match they matched 11 into gas, had some into radiology, several in to Ortho, etc... The residencies you consider atrocious some people chose as their top choice because they were DO programs in places they wanted to live.
No, the choose to be very selective on who they interview. They don't pull that many people off their wait list, soooo since again, you have no facts and I do, you should stop throwing out the BS you do since you have nothing to back up what you say...
To those of you who have already made up your mind because they're a for profit school, there is pretty much nothing the school can do or say that will change your mind, even if they had the best match list of any DO school you'd still say it sucked....
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Don't be so paranoid. Some schools will love you, others wont give you a second look. It's how this process works. Keep your chin up and forget about RVU. GL! 👍
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I was going to say booth of those things. Glad you said it first.
Check your facts kgpremed. Unlike many other schools, RVUCOM DOES NOT send supplemental applications to everyone. Candidates must meet certain GPA and MCAT requirements to receive a supplemental and move foreward in the process.
RVUCOM is also very selective on who they invite in for an interview. They actually read each completed file and select only the candidates who they feel can be successful in their very rigorous program and who have the experience that will make them a good fit for RVUCOM.
The screening process is also done for the benefit of the candidates. RVUCOM doesn't believe in the "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" approach to admissions. Candidates spend a lot of time and expense on the medical school application process; RVUCOM will not invite in a candidate and ask them to spend their time and money unless the candidate looks great on paper.
It's unfortunate that there are still those individuals who bash RVUCOM only because of the school's tax status albeit the number of RVU bashers have been significantly declining as the school proves over and over again that it is an innovative and dynamic program producing great results and great D.O.s.
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Wow.
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Spoken like a true RVU administrator...
What RVU has proved is that it provides a mediocre education and that it is poorly received by program directors. Don't make me pull out the RVU match list and lay the smack down.
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You mean the 11 anesthesia matches? Yeah, smack down... 😛
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Thats nothing when compared to half the places. 11 anesthesia is prob middle of the pack and is quite good, but once you get past that there is really nothing impressive left. The drastic inconsistency once you move past 11 gas (5 or 6 of them being impressive) and an ENT (iirc) the other >100 matches are mediocre at best.
You can say they matched where they want til your blue in the face, how is it that people at RVU want to match low-competitive programs in small community locations at a rate higher than every other DO school when DO schools are famous for matching low-competitive programs in small community locations.
DocE and instate-
Take a look at pikeville's and PNWU's match list for 2012 before you make judgements. I think for a new school, RVU did just fine and actually better than expected, considering there were those that thought none of the students would match at all due to the tax status of the school. And most of the students, including that class of 2012, are local to Colorado or the mountain west and plan to stay in the area for lifestyle reasons. So yes, based on that there is self-selection for those community programs out here. But honestly, I'm guessing certain minds can't be changed at this point, no matter what the reasoning or evidence.
Take a look at pikeville's and PNWU's match list for 2012 before you make judgements. I think for a new school, RVU did just fine and actually better than expected, considering there were those that thought none of the students would match at all due to the tax status of the school. And most of the students, including that class of 2012, are local to Colorado or the mountain west and plan to stay in the area for lifestyle reasons. So yes, based on that there is self-selection for those community programs out here. But honestly, I'm guessing certain minds can't be changed at this point, no matter what the reasoning or evidence.
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So the match list is evidence that the school was not well received by program directors. It is all over the match list. This was unquestionably the worst match list ever posted on SDN. Let me tell you why:
1. There were very, very few allopathic matches. Almost no allopathic PDs wanted anything to do with RVU. The majority of DO students apply to the allopathic match and there are multiple allopathic options in the nearby viscinity. This speaks volumes.
2. There are few specialty matches.
While this could mean most people wanted primary care, it very often means people could not match into something better. When we look at the primary care matches, it seems obvious that most people not only couldn't get a good specialty match, they couldnt get a good primary care match.
3. The anesthesia match and EM matchest were mediocre. This is one of the specialty bastions that DOs tend to do very well. There are just a few decent matches in this group. Only one that could even be considered close to good.
4. Very few surgery and surgical subspecialties. Could be personal preference and you would expect more good peds/FM/IM matches. However we don't see these good matches.
5) The IM match is bad. There is no way to hide this one under the rug. There are basically no good specialty matches or surgery matches so you would assume the good candidates went to IM or peds. This is NOT the case.
- Almost all the IM matches are to community programs, most with 350 beds or less (Parkview, Plaza, Verde Valley, Bay Area Medical center and many, many more). Hell, Verde valley has fewer than 100 beds. So does Bay Area medical center. Many IM residencies have more residents than these places have beds. I'm not even sure you can call 72 beds a hospital. This match was pathetic
- Again very few IM allopathic matches
The sheer fact that there aren't many specialty matches and then the IM match is not good leads me to believe that program directors didn't look at RVU grads favorably. And, because these places are all over the west and midwest, it's not as if people wanted to stay near RVU and chose crappy programs to be near family.
6) The peds match isn't good. Again very similar reasons to medicine.
So in the end, you have few specialty matches, few university programs, a bunch of people who didn't match and thus far haven't been able to scramble and a lot of community programs. This is probably the worst match ever posted on SDN.
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Even if there was self selection, you would expect people to match to at least a few university programs. It leads me to believe these people did not get interviews. Look at Pikeville's match list. They matched to university centers all over the region and beyond. RVU did not.
As to the Pikeville match list- look at IM match alone . There were multiple Allopathic university programs (Tenn, Louisville, Kentucky, Wright State, ETSU, Indiana). RVU almost had none. As to the PNWU match list, i agree it does suck.
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Instate ,
Some of the points you make are all well and good but not unique to RVU, rather they are typical of new schools. Most are not at prestigious programs (prestige seems to be what gets you off), but the key is that they matched. They're all going to be physicians, and in extension your colleagues, whether you like it or not. For a first graduating class in an environment of tightening residency spots, I think this is an important point. You've bemoaning the existence of the school since its inception, making prediction after prediction, basically saying it would be the end of US medicine as we know it. 7 years later and there's a group of students from RVU that are going to be doctors.
Some of the points you make are all well and good but not unique to RVU, rather they are typical of new schools. Most are not at prestigious programs (prestige seems to be what gets you off), but the key is that they matched. They're all going to be physicians, and in extension your colleagues, whether you like it or not. For a first graduating class in an environment of tightening residency spots, I think this is an important point. You've bemoaning the existence of the school since its inception, making prediction after prediction, basically saying it would be the end of US medicine as we know it. 7 years later and there's a group of students from RVU that are going to be doctors.
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No. That's not the norm for new schools. You guys keep saying that, but new schools don't have issues getting acgme and university spots. Do places improve their match list with time? Yes. But its generally improvement in the number of times exceptional matches happen. Generally there is no glaring flaws in a new schools first match, there is only a general sense of "low frequency". Rvu has close to zero frequency in many aspects.
It will improve, I think, but it is decidedly a very poor match list.
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Not sure how much of the match angst is an RVU-for-profit thing and how much is an crush of applicants/proliferation of DO schools thing. I personally know of only 2 PD's who refuse to look at any RVU grad, regardless of NBOME score. Feels more like PD's are getting overwhelmed with record numbers of applicants and the DO's get lost in the LECOM/WCCOM/RVUCOM/etc., etc., alphabet soup. The ACGME merger may help things, if AOA residencies are able to pass the ACGME muster. That, is not a sure thing.
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The solid analysis is that there was moderate success with the DO match (and military). But why was the allopathic match especially poor? I just think its that acgme directors, whether they said it or not, were squeamish over taking a for profit school. Because the DO end wasn't as bad ad the allo end
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I can promise you tons of them do. I do AMA stuff and go to lots of meetings across the county and literally 1/3 of all the physicians I talked to asked me what my thoughts on rvu and its for profit status are. 1/3!
Think of how many probably were curious and didn't have the guts to ask me straight out
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My bro who is an MD for some odd reason knew that RVU is a nonprofit DO school. But he didnt say anything negative about that.
Heck he even told me to apply to the carib schools.
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First, matching at, say IM at Louisville or East Tennesee State University is not prestigious but the training is much stronger than Northeast Central Backporch Community Hospital in the desert of Nevada. It is less about how prestigious a program is than how strong the training is. That said, for the most part the training is stronger at the more prestigious programs. There is a reason they are prestigious.
For residency, small hospitals have multiple problems. First, they tend not to attract the strongest physicians to learn from. Furthermore, you don't have the volume of cases and you don't see rare cases. When you finally see something cool, it gets sent to the big boys who know how to take care of it. Any shmuck can take care of community acquired pneumonia (perhaps this is debatable, in the last week alone I have seen some Maryland community hospitals F this up). However, if you are not exposed to some of the cooler cases, you will never learn what it looks like and your clinical education will suffer. This is why it is important to go to a university program, especially a well known one. When people haven't been given a diagnosis despite being sick for 6 months, they don't go to Donkeylick Community Hospital in Pueblo, Texas. They however do go to a place like Louisville (pikeville match list).
My final point is that you say these people matched but the reality is that based on that match list posted, a large portion of the class went unmatched.
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Your brother received his medical education at a very different timeframe than the present.
And I assume you meant "for profit DO school".
I have to agree with Instate here, RVU is anything but a respected program.
Getting rejected from there is definitely not something you should be mad about, hell it's something you should celebrate. The truth is, they're match is laughable at best as Instate pointed out.
I intentionally didn't apply to RVU 2 years ago when I was in the cycle because I foresaw exactly this, MD programs as a whole are very resistant to for profit programs, and to make it worse a lot of program directors also believe DOs to be "inferior" (I obviously, don't feel this way, as you can see from my previous post) so you literally get 2 shots against you going there at some programs.
Honestly, if I were to have applied and the only program I got accepted to was RVU I would reapply next year.
Getting rejected from there is definitely not something you should be mad about, hell it's something you should celebrate. The truth is, they're match is laughable at best as Instate pointed out.
I intentionally didn't apply to RVU 2 years ago when I was in the cycle because I foresaw exactly this, MD programs as a whole are very resistant to for profit programs, and to make it worse a lot of program directors also believe DOs to be "inferior" (I obviously, don't feel this way, as you can see from my previous post) so you literally get 2 shots against you going there at some programs.
Honestly, if I were to have applied and the only program I got accepted to was RVU I would reapply next year.
