I don't want to be a doctor anymore

[orange peel]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a lot of money was appealing but Ive heard you sometimes dont make that much and may even end up in debt? (Not really too informed on this)
From how things are looking, Im just not skilled enough and/or passionate enough and will most likely not do well on the MCAT.
Im very scared about graduation because I don't know what to do since my other options seem scary and will most likely make me look like a failure to others: Im scared I wont find anything in my area and end up as a retail store worker, getting some job in my area but not that interested in it, and I dont know about grad school because that will only lead to researcher or teacher which aren't hugely interesting for me.
I enjoy youtube video making and computer science since I think they are possible big money banks for me and they seem fairly interesting but I haven't had much success yet and Im very inexperienced. It's probably too late to switch my major. Plus, comp sci is prob also a lot of gruesome boring work that I cant avoid.
Ive heard stories of people who finish college and end up working as a bartender until they die. 🙁

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[Trinityaas12]

You need to do some self exploration and find out what you like to do. What can you see yourself doing as a career?

 

[TangoDown]

If you aren't the one pushing you down this path, then this is the path you should not take.

I know there maybe a lot of pre-meds on here who are going to spew the whole "GO SHADOW AND GET INTERESTED RAH RAH BEING A DOCTOR IS AWESOME" but in all honesty, whatever you choose to do in life should be based on what you find intrinsically motivating. If that is not science or medicine, then so be it.

Your post also seems to put across that you're suffering from some self-esteem issues because you've already exclaimed that you aren't smart or driven enough to become a doctor. As it stands, it takes a level of introspectiveness required to contemplate your future through a lens that is not blinded by optimism and irrational fantasies, and that requires some intelligence as is. So don't be so hard on yourself.

There is no reason why you can't do other things. You are still very early in the process and this decision is going to determine the course of the rest of your life. There are other clinical careers that you can pursue with your BS. PT/PA/AA/CRNA/Nursing (via accelerated BSN), etc. There are also a variety of careers that pay well and are completely different and yet reward you for having a degree. Police, Firefighting, and the like. And there's also the military. You can get a commission with a degree and be an officer.

All these careers are just things to push around in your head.

Keep your mind open. I wish you the best of luck, man.

 

[Didierdrogba]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a lot of money was appealing but Ive heard you sometimes dont make that much and may even end up in debt? (Not really too informed on this)
From how things are looking, Im just not skilled enough and/or passionate enough and will most likely not do well on the MCAT.
🙁

not to hurt your feelings, but if you keep getting B's or C's you don't need to worry about whether medicine is the right career for you, because you won't get in

 

[Rikkarikka]

Have you done any shadowing or seen what doctors actually do? Because they don't just read slides upon slides of lecture material.

Are you planning to take a gap year after you graduate or are you applying this year to med schools?

It looks like you're going to have to look around and do some soul searching. There are tons and tons of jobs out there. I'm not sure what you want out of a job (action? movement? working with people?) but I'm sure you can find something for you.

It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work.

But really. I think the majority of jobs are going to have boring parts...

 

[moocow47]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a

Interesting...

 

[Digitalangel]

Interesting...

not really, not having the intrinsic motivation to get A's in classes you have no interest in isnt that surprising, it doesnt mean hes not smart enough to do it, he could possibly just not care enough to study it because hes simply not interested. i dont think good grades are always positively correlated with being smart, there are many other factors that come into play.

 

[Tommyguns89]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a lot of money was appealing but Ive heard you sometimes dont make that much and may even end up in debt? (Not really too informed on this)
From how things are looking, Im just not skilled enough and/or passionate enough and will most likely not do well on the MCAT.
Im very scared about graduation because I don't know what to do since my other options seem scary and will most likely make me look like a failure to others: Im scared I wont find anything in my area and end up as a retail store worker, getting some job in my area but not that interested in it, and I dont know about grad school because that will only lead to researcher or teacher which aren't hugely interesting for me.
I enjoy youtube video making and computer science since I think they are possible big money banks for me and they seem fairly interesting but I haven't had much success yet and Im very inexperienced. It's probably too late to switch my major. Plus, comp sci is prob also a lot of gruesome boring work that I cant avoid.
Ive heard stories of people who finish college and end up working as a bartender until they die. 🙁

I was in your exact position last summer, except it was with law school instead of med school. I was accepted into a law school with a good local reputation with a full tuition scholarship. However what I truly wanted to do was a post-bacc so I could apply to med school. My parents pushed me into law school because it was a quicker path and I guess they didnt want to wait 10 years until they could brag about their son.

Long Story short, I am starting pre med classes this fall. You have to find out what you want to do.

 

[solitarius]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a lot of money was appealing but Ive heard you sometimes dont make that much and may even end up in debt? (Not really too informed on this)
From how things are looking, Im just not skilled enough and/or passionate enough and will most likely not do well on the MCAT.
Im very scared about graduation because I don't know what to do since my other options seem scary and will most likely make me look like a failure to others: Im scared I wont find anything in my area and end up as a retail store worker, getting some job in my area but not that interested in it, and I dont know about grad school because that will only lead to researcher or teacher which aren't hugely interesting for me.
I enjoy youtube video making and computer science since I think they are possible big money banks for me and they seem fairly interesting but I haven't had much success yet and Im very inexperienced. It's probably too late to switch my major. Plus, comp sci is prob also a lot of gruesome boring work that I cant avoid.

Medicine in the midst of a massive transformation. No one knows what the end result will be.
Meanwhile, the requirements to get into medical school keep getting more onerous. The soft (or hard) requirement of genetics and biochemistry, and the 2015 MCAT is just the latest example of this.


Personally, I think the tangible benefit of medicine is declining while the tangible cost is rising. I think the process may respond to market forces when enough people decide that going to medical school is no longer worth it. But this response is likely to be delayed given the prestige/security of medicine and the idealism of too many premed students.

At the same time, you need an attitude adjustment of sorts. Medicine is no good. Neither is some low wage job like retail. And neither is some high wage job like C.S. Hate to tell you this, but a job is difficult by definition. That's why they pay you.

 

[TheWeeIceMan]

I stuggled with this too. There is no shame in deciding a certain career is not for you. Take some time to explore what is out their for you and go after it. Good luck.

 

[Lucky Louie]

they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough

I say you need to spend serious time thinking about what you want and what it takes to do well in any field, even if it's medicine.


PS, why did you write that?

 

[VictorAlpha]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a lot of money was appealing but Ive heard you sometimes dont make that much and may even end up in debt? (Not really too informed on this)
From how things are looking, Im just not skilled enough and/or passionate enough and will most likely not do well on the MCAT.
Im very scared about graduation because I don't know what to do since my other options seem scary and will most likely make me look like a failure to others: Im scared I wont find anything in my area and end up as a retail store worker, getting some job in my area but not that interested in it, and I dont know about grad school because that will only lead to researcher or teacher which aren't hugely interesting for me.
I enjoy youtube video making and computer science since I think they are possible big money banks for me and they seem fairly interesting but I haven't had much success yet and Im very inexperienced. It's probably too late to switch my major. Plus, comp sci is prob also a lot of gruesome boring work that I cant avoid.
Ive heard stories of people who finish college and end up working as a bartender until they die. 🙁

i say try and figure out what makes you excited and try and go after that...it might take some time but try a bunch of things.

About the BOLDED...graduate school generally opens more possibilities..not closes them off. You don't have to research or teach only ...there are other things; talk with your career advisor.

About the UNDERLINED... anything worth doing is going to mean work. You do what you have to now to do what you want to later.

 

[scarlett14]

it may seem hard to deviate from a path that youve been planning for/expecting to go down for a really long time and youll feel relaly directionless and lost for a while but its definitely worth it bc pushing yourself to do something/go somewhere that you dont want to go will just get harder and harder. and the longer you push yourself and wait the harder itll be to stop. do you really want to waste time doing that? 😕

youre better off taking a step back from everything and considering your interests/options, etc. not everything will be fun but there has to be something that doesnt make you miserable...

 

[red7]

Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work.

Honestly, maybe it would help you to get a broader perspective on the effort/reward ratio in most jobs. Medicine is pretty much guaranteed return on investment (outside of some freak occurrence like failing out) - a lot of other professions are very insecure. You mention computer science and YouTube as two options. I think it goes without saying that the likelihood of your channel going viral and making you anywhere close to a physician's income for any extended period is ridiculously low.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but whenever I felt sick of all the work I felt like I was doing, I just reminded myself that everyone who wants to do well in life has to work hard, and medicine is one of the most secure pathways to ensure that your hard work pays off (unless your daddy has set up a trust fund for you haha). If medicine isn't for you, then maybe you should have a talk with your family about that, but don't fool yourself into thinking that the level of financial security that physicians enjoy is any easier to achieve in another field.

 

[John Johnson]

not to hurt your feelings, but if you keep getting B's or C's you don't need to worry about whether medicine is the right career for you, because you won't get in

Wow you are an idiot. I work at a Teaching Hospital and know plenty of the Medical Students and The Residents. Many of them say they received C's and B's. Stop trying to make people feel bad because you believe you are intelligent and somehow above others because you are in medical school.

Let me put you back on Earth. I'm 23 and I wanted to go to Medical School. I instead used my brain and calculated that financially it made no sense and that I wouldn't be earning real money until I was 36 (I wanted to do Plastic Surgery). So instead, I ended up learning my hospital's EHR software, Meditech. I am now the Director over Clinical Education and documentation; and I'm 23. I drive a nicer car then almost all of the Physician's and they have to listen to me.

Hopefully you get a job at my hospital. That way, I can make your life a living hell while I taunt you for boasting $300,000 (which is compounding and will take you your entire life to pay off) in debt while making $48,000 a year as a resident and working 80 hours a week while I work 50 hours a week, have $0 in debt and I make $180,000 a year; and I'm 23.

Get a life you egotistical infantile.

 

[SunsFun]

Wow you are an idiot. I work at a Teaching Hospital and know plenty of the Medical Students and The Residents. Many of them say they received C's and B's. Stop trying to make people feel bad because you believe you are intelligent and somehow above others because you are in medical school.

Let me put you back on Earth. I'm 23 and I wanted to go to Medical School. I instead used my brain and calculated that financially it made no sense and that I wouldn't be earning real money until I was 36 (I wanted to do Plastic Surgery). So instead, I ended up learning my hospital's EHR software, Meditech. I am now the Director over Clinical Education and documentation; and I'm 23. I drive a nicer car then almost all of the Physician's and they have to listen to me.

Hopefully you get a job at my hospital. That way, I can make your life a living hell while I taunt you for boasting $300,000 (which is compounding and will take you your entire life to pay off) in debt while making $48,000 a year as a resident and working 80 hours a week while I work 50 hours a week, have $0 in debt and I make $180,000 a year; and I'm 23.

Get a life you egotistical infantile.

Solid bump brah.

 

[masaraksh]

Coming from an asian background and asian friends, I was kinda pushed along this path in many ways in which I wont elaborate on. Im finishing my junior year in College as a Gen Bio major and I don't think this is what I want anymore. When everyone talks to me about it, they always ask these piercing questions to see how passionate I am about being a doctor; Im not sure if they're inherently jealous they aren't smart enough so they're trying to take me down but the end result is that I end up telling the truth and how Im impartial to it and how Im not really so interested in this. My grades are Cs and Bs in big biology/mammology classes now. It is too hard, I feel the competition is too tough, and I end up trying to put in the work and just not knowing how to study. Sometimes it's just down to me not wanting to spend the entire day reviewing the hundreds of pages of lecture slides anymore. It's nothing but hard gruesome boring work. Honestly, the possibility of making a lot of money was appealing but Ive heard you sometimes dont make that much and may even end up in debt? (Not really too informed on this)
From how things are looking, Im just not skilled enough and/or passionate enough and will most likely not do well on the MCAT.
Im very scared about graduation because I don't know what to do since my other options seem scary and will most likely make me look like a failure to others: Im scared I wont find anything in my area and end up as a retail store worker, getting some job in my area but not that interested in it, and I dont know about grad school because that will only lead to researcher or teacher which aren't hugely interesting for me.
I enjoy youtube video making and computer science since I think they are possible big money banks for me and they seem fairly interesting but I haven't had much success yet and Im very inexperienced. It's probably too late to switch my major. Plus, comp sci is prob also a lot of gruesome boring work that I cant avoid.
Ive heard stories of people who finish college and end up working as a bartender until they die. 🙁

You seem to completely overlook the HUGE amount of work opportunities that are NOT: academia, teaching, lab tech, bartender, barista, etc...... How about jobs in COMPANIES. Plus, there are tons of AMAZING opportunities available that provide less debt, decent compensation, good work-life balance, and interesting work.

For example. A girl I know did a Bio major. Then she did a masters in Biochem/Cell Bio (or something) in 2 years. She spent most of her time doing some kind of biochemical assays. Now, she's got a job with a Biotech company in Cambridge MA. The company makes some special enzymes or substrate concoctions that are important for biochemistry assays. Her role is to travel, teach others how to use the companies product, and provide support. Salary of ~65-100k I'd guess and room for growth within the company.

 

[solitarius]

I think who comes from your background should take a step (or few) from medicine to truly explore their genuine interests.

 

[Pacna]

Do what you love. If you don't love medicine, don't do it. There are loads of people who make a living on youtube.

 

[LabratABQ]

Dont do it if you dont want to, you gonna regret and hate it with a passion....

 

[deleted407021]

The OP hasn't been online since September. I think they probably have made up their mind.

 

[DokterMom]

The last thing you want to do is eliminate medical school as an option because of poor grades and indecision.

Suggest you take some time off to come up with a new plan.

Can you make it through the rest of the semester with good grades? (3.0 at least?) Is it too late to withdraw entirely?

A 'plain vanilla bio' degree isn't the most marketable credential, but biological sciences are a good background for many other fields. Might make more sense to get some more perspective before graduating --

 

[deleted357625]

not to hurt your feelings, but if you keep getting B's or C's you don't need to worry about whether medicine is the right career for you, because you won't get in

Out of all people - a response to a post like this from someone who pursued the D.O route knowing they give people chances. Absurd.

 

[Pacna]

Out of all people - a response to a post like this from someone who pursued the D.O route knowing they give people chances. Absurd.

It's the truth, though. Straight B's and C's = find something else to shoot for.

 

[John Johnson]

It's the truth, though. Straight B's and C's = find something else to shoot for.

STRAIGHT C's and B's, maybe. But the OP didn't say his entire grade-book consisted of B's and C's.

For the amount of time it takes to become a physician, the debt they incur, the opportunity cost they incur (the money lost from salaries they could of had instead of being in school), the malpractice they pay and last but not least the evidential lowering of the reimbursements makes trying your hardest to get into medical school, well, dumb. If you care nothing about time and don't care about money and having debt, than I guess go for it. It was always my dream; not anymore.

 

[Pacna]

STRAIGHT C's and B's, maybe. But the OP didn't say his entire grade-book consisted of B's and C's.

For the amount of time it takes to become a physician, the debt they incur, the opportunity cost they incur (the money lost from salaries they could of had instead of being in school), the malpractice they pay and last but not least the evidential lowering of the reimbursements makes trying your hardest to get into medical school, well, dumb. If you care nothing about time and don't care about money and having debt, than I guess go for it. It was always my dream; not anymore.

I'm glad that you came to that realization as a pre-med! That's really fantastic! Many people find out too late. Good for you; I mean it.

If you don't mind me asking, what have you chosen to pursue instead? 🙂

 

[SunsFun]

STRAIGHT C's and B's, maybe. But the OP didn't say his entire grade-book consisted of B's and C's.

For the amount of time it takes to become a physician, the debt they incur, the opportunity cost they incur (the money lost from salaries they could of had instead of being in school), the malpractice they pay and last but not least the evidential lowering of the reimbursements makes trying your hardest to get into medical school, well, dumb. If you care nothing about time and don't care about money and having debt, than I guess go for it. It was always my dream; not anymore.

Well it's good thing you're not ever going to experience any of it. You dodged a bullet brah. Enjoy your 6k salary at 23. The rest of us are just going to manage the horror that it is.

 

[John Johnson]

I'm glad that you came to that realization as a pre-med! That's really fantastic! Many people find out too late. Good for you; I mean it.

If you don't mind me asking, what have you chosen to pursue instead? 🙂

Thanks. Actually, it was one of the hardest decision's I have ever had to make. As for my current pursuits, I started working at a hospital to gain experience for medical school. The job I started at was assisting physician's with the Electronic Health Record Software; we use Meditech. I became very proficient at the software, and now I'm heavily involved with the hospital meeting meaningful use stages for Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements. I oversee our Clinical Help Desk and Documentation. I'm only 23 so this has been huge; honestly way better than if I want to Medical School. I'm going to get my MBA with a concentration in Hospital Administration in hopes of being a CEO one day.

Administration is where the money is at; in terms of healthcare (at least it's moving that direction).

 

[baconshrimps]

not to hurt your feelings, but if you keep getting B's or C's you don't need to worry about whether medicine is the right career for you, because you won't get in

Someone with grades like this likely still has a shot at Osteopathic medical schools, but certainly not competitive enough for allopathic programs.

 

[deleted407021]

Thanks. Actually, it was one of the hardest decision's I have ever had to make. As for my current pursuits, I started working at a hospital to gain experience for medical school. The job I started at was assisting physician's with the Electronic Health Record Software; we use Meditech. I became very proficient at the software, and now I'm heavily involved with the hospital meeting meaningful use stages for Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements. I oversee our Clinical Help Desk and Documentation. I'm only 23 so this has been huge; honestly way better than if I want to Medical School. I'm going to get my MBA with a concentration in Hospital Administration in hopes of being a CEO one day.

Administration is where the money is at; in terms of healthcare (at least it's moving that direction).

That's really cool. I'm happy that you found success in your new career interests. Godspeed!

 

[John Johnson]

Well it's good thing you're not ever going to experience any of it. You dodged a bullet brah. Enjoy your 6k salary at 23. The rest of us are just going to manage the horror that it is.

Are you being sarcastic or not, I can't tell haha. I'm just being completely honest. I was going to apply in June but since working at the hospital and not only hearing from the Students and Residents how hard it is, the horrid about of debt they are in, and from the horses mouth that "If you're doing it for the money, don't go"; I decided that it wasn't for me. But the money wasn't the main problem anyway, I work with every single specialty (besides ER) in a 350 acute-bed facility. The general consensus I receive from physician's is that they wouldn't choose medicine again and that government is making it horrible to practice medicine.

There were way too many warning signs. I had no choice but to not go.

 

[baconshrimps]

Thanks. Actually, it was one of the hardest decision's I have ever had to make. As for my current pursuits, I started working at a hospital to gain experience for medical school. The job I started at was assisting physician's with the Electronic Health Record Software; we use Meditech. I became very proficient at the software, and now I'm heavily involved with the hospital meeting meaningful use stages for Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements. I oversee our Clinical Help Desk and Documentation. I'm only 23 so this has been huge; honestly way better than if I want to Medical School. I'm going to get my MBA with a concentration in Hospital Administration in hopes of being a CEO one day.

Administration is where the money is at; in terms of healthcare (at least it's moving that direction).

CEO of what? A hospital?

 

[ichor]

not really, not having the intrinsic motivation to get A's in classes you have no interest in isnt that surprising, it doesnt mean hes not smart enough to do it, he could possibly just not care enough to study it because hes simply not interested. i dont think good grades are always positively correlated with being smart, there are many other factors that come into play.

I'm sorry but that's like the biggest pile of BS I consistently read on the internet:

"I know I'm smart, but I'm just too lazy/not motivated enough to accomplish/achieve anything!"

I honestly believe that 95% of people could make 4.0's if they worked hard enough at it. Yeah, I agree that getting good grades is just about working hard. But I think being smart is realizing that to get what you want, you might need to get certain grades and scores.

 

[NightWindDriftr]

Let me put you back on Earth. I'm 23 and I wanted to go to Medical School. I instead used my brain and calculated that financially it made no sense and that I wouldn't be earning real money until I was 36 (I wanted to do Plastic Surgery).

Going to medical school is not about "financial sense", especially in the short term. And let's be honest, physicians aren't struggling to feed their families after residency. Clearly, your mention of age here (and later), combined with your figures below and your prior interest in plastics, reveals what your real motivations are: you want money and you want it while you're young. No hate for that, but stacking yourself up against a resident, who at worst is accepting delayed gratification and at best is less interested in either, approaches an apples-to-oranges comparison. Not quite the same Earths we're talking about.

Hopefully you get a job at my hospital. That way, I can make your life a living hell while I taunt you for boasting $300,000 (which is compounding and will take you your entire life to pay off) in debt while making $48,000 a year as a resident and working 80 hours a week while I work 50 hours a week, have $0 in debt and I make $180,000 a year; and I'm 23.

Make his life a living hell how? By holding out the tricks of the trade in using your hospital's EHR and feeling all high and mighty over it because you're only 23?

Get a life you egotistical infantile.

Okay, Mr. "Director of Clinical Education and Documentation" and driver-of-cars-nicer-than-physicians.

 

[solitarius]

I honestly believe that 95% of people could make 4.0's if they hard enough at it. Yeah, I agree that getting good grades is just about working hard.

The existence of curves in the pre-reqs contradicts your statement.

 

[Pacna]

Thanks. Actually, it was one of the hardest decision's I have ever had to make. As for my current pursuits, I started working at a hospital to gain experience for medical school. The job I started at was assisting physician's with the Electronic Health Record Software; we use Meditech. I became very proficient at the software, and now I'm heavily involved with the hospital meeting meaningful use stages for Medicaid/Medicare reimbursements. I oversee our Clinical Help Desk and Documentation. I'm only 23 so this has been huge; honestly way better than if I want to Medical School. I'm going to get my MBA with a concentration in Hospital Administration in hopes of being a CEO one day.

Administration is where the money is at; in terms of healthcare (at least it's moving that direction).

That's so great. I'm happy for you.

 

[masaraksh]

I am completely not buying the 23 year old with a bachelors making 180k in hospital administration/EHR stuff.

 

[solitarius]

Hopefully you get a job at my hospital. That way, I can make your life a living hell while I taunt you for boasting $300,000 (which is compounding and will take you your entire life to pay off) in debt while making $48,000 a year as a resident and working 80 hours a week while I work 50 hours a week, have $0 in debt and I make $180,000 a year; and I'm 23.

C'mon man. You make some valid points, but nobody here believes this. Time to deflate the e-peen.

 

[crimsonkid85]

For the love of all that is holy, if you don't want to do medicine please don't do it. This is exactly what the world doesn't need...another mediocre Asian doctor. For the record, I'm Asian.

 

[TheRobin]

Why is that a large number of pre-meds feel as if they must choose biology as their major? There's nothing wrong with being a bio. major, but it's not like you can't take genetics, biochemistry, etc. if you major in something else.

 

[aspiring20]

C'mon man. You make some valid points, but nobody here believes this. Time to deflate the e-peen.

i dont think he is saying that he makes 180k right now. i think he's bringing up a possible scenario in the future where he is working as a hospital administrator making 180k and making fun of residents making 45k while working 80 hrs/wk and having 300k+ loans.

 

[aspiring20]

Going to medical school is not about "financial sense", especially in the short term. And let's be honest, physicians aren't struggling to feed their families after residency. Clearly, your mention of age here (and later), combined with your figures below and your prior interest in plastics, reveals what your real motivations are: you want money and you want it while you're young. No hate for that, but stacking yourself up against a resident, who at worst is accepting delayed gratification and at best is less interested in either, approaches an apples-to-oranges comparison. Not quite the same Earths we're talking about.



Make his life a living hell how? By holding out the tricks of the trade in using your hospital's EHR and feeling all high and mighty over it because you're only 23?



Okay, Mr. "Director of Clinical Education and Documentation" and driver-of-cars-nicer-than-physicians.

 

[aspiring20]

actually, having read his posts, i take my words back

 

[aspiring20]

Wow you are an idiot. I work at a Teaching Hospital and know plenty of the Medical Students and The Residents. Many of them say they received C's and B's. Stop trying to make people feel bad because you believe you are intelligent and somehow above others because you are in medical school.

Let me put you back on Earth. I'm 23 and I wanted to go to Medical School. I instead used my brain and calculated that financially it made no sense and that I wouldn't be earning real money until I was 36 (I wanted to do Plastic Surgery). So instead, I ended up learning my hospital's EHR software, Meditech. I am now the Director over Clinical Education and documentation; and I'm 23. I drive a nicer car then almost all of the Physician's and they have to listen to me.

Hopefully you get a job at my hospital. That way, I can make your life a living hell while I taunt you for boasting $300,000 (which is compounding and will take you your entire life to pay off) in debt while making $48,000 a year as a resident and working 80 hours a week while I work 50 hours a week, have $0 in debt and I make $180,000 a year; and I'm 23.

Get a life you egotistical infantile.

what car are you driving?

 

[TheWeeIceMan]

I am completely not buying the 23 year old with a bachelors making 180k in hospital administration/EHR stuff.

Nah, it's possible. A couple of my friends worked a few years at a large EMR company in town and then took jobs as consultants at various hospitals and consulting firms. I don't know if they are all making 180k, but I'm pretty sure they are all in the six figures. Not my thing, but it's a pretty decent living.

 

[John Johnson]

Nah, it's possible. A couple of my friends worked a few years at a large EMR company in town and then took jobs as consultants at various hospitals and consulting firms. I don't know if they are all making 180k, but I'm pretty sure they are all in the six figures. Not my thing, but it's a pretty decent living.

Thank you for the input. I hold a degree in business with an emphasis in both finance and pre-medicine. I do make $150,000 each year, with additions in per diem rates (if I'm visiting branch hospitals) and bonuses; last year I made close to $180k.

It is very possibly, but I do travel some. I'm also pursing my MBA so I can become involved with hospital administration and not have to travel. But yes, it is very possible. Our particular hospital use's Meditech; which I'm not particularly fond of. But we just signed a $10million contract with them last year so there isn't really a choice.

 

[John Johnson]

what car are you driving?

I drive a 2013 Cadillac CTS Coupe AWD. It's a very nice car. Not a Bentley, but still extremely nice, and a heck of a lot nicer than any of the Residents/Med Students.

Also, I'll repost my response:

Thank you for the input. I hold a degree in business with an emphasis in both finance and pre-medicine. I do make $150,000 each year, with additions in per diem rates (if I'm visiting branch hospitals) and bonuses; last year I made close to $180k.

It is very possibly, but I do travel some. I'm also pursing my MBA so I can become involved with hospital administration and not have to travel. But yes, it is very possible. Our particular hospital use's Meditech; which I'm not particularly fond of. But we just signed a $10million contract with them last year so there isn't really a choice.

 

[John Johnson]

C'mon man. You make some valid points, but nobody here believes this. Time to deflate the e-peen.

You don't believe it because you have no idea what a person in my position makes. Please refer to "TheWeelceMan"'s post.

I can see why you think I'm lying, because it's an amazing amount of money; and that is exactly why I didn't go to Medical School. I started at the hospital at 21 in a low level position. I hold a degree in business with an emphasis in both finance and pre-medicine. I do make $150,000 each year, with additions in per diem rates (if I'm visiting branch hospitals) and bonuses; last year I made close to $180k.

It is very possibly, but I do travel some. I'm also pursing my MBA so I can become involved with hospital administration and not have to travel. But yes, it is very possible. Our particular hospital use's Meditech; which I'm not particularly fond of. But we just signed a $10million contract with them last year so there isn't really a choice.

I also owned two of my own businesses (nothing huge, but one was nationally known) throughout College. I have extensive experience and they also needed someone that knew computers well. Being a person in our generation, I'm extremely savvy with computers.

Please don't hate on me just because you're jealous of what I make. Money is why most kids go to Medical School, I started in the fire and researched what was actually happening in the Medicine and found out that attending Medical School was a death trap.

 

[aspiring20]

I drive a 2013 Cadillac CTS Coupe AWD. It's a very nice car. Not a Bentley, but still extremely nice, and a heck of a lot nicer than any of the Residents/Med Students.

Also, I'll repost my response:

Thank you for the input. I hold a degree in business with an emphasis in both finance and pre-medicine. I do make $150,000 each year, with additions in per diem rates (if I'm visiting branch hospitals) and bonuses; last year I made close to $180k.

It is very possibly, but I do travel some. I'm also pursing my MBA so I can become involved with hospital administration and not have to travel. But yes, it is very possible. Our particular hospital use's Meditech; which I'm not particularly fond of. But we just signed a $10million contract with them last year so there isn't really a choice.

good for you!

i got to be straight with you, it is ****ing impressive making close to 200k with only a bachelors and only 23! are jobs like that hard to come by?

and speaking of cadillacs, it bewilders me that the CTS costs more than the XTS, considering that the XTS is bigger and currently serving as the interim flagship of the entire brand. but the CTS is an awesome car. didn't it win 2013 motortrend's car of the year award?

 

[John Johnson]

CEO of what? A hospital?

Yes, didn't you the MBA with a concentration in "Hospital Administration". I work with our CEO and really think I'd like what he does. He does work a ton and is involved heavily with the community. But he earns, I believe, $350k-$450K annually.