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MD/PHD = L.O.O.S.E.R

  • lol MD/PHD has no personal skills what so ever

    Votes: 28 31.1%

  • not all MD/PHD are bad with treating patients

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seems people on this board regard MD/PHD as people without social skills and can't deal with patients. i feel this is not true haha, but then again lets pull the audiance
 
the pre-allo forum is not exactly going to give you the most unbiased results.

However, if you have a real interest in not talking to patients you don't need to go for the md/phd, their are fields more catered to you.

most of them will probably be fairly normal.
 
hahaha, but the point of the thread is not my interests and for people to discourage them (i get that plenty from anyone and everyone), but it is to see how angery SDNers preceive the people wanting to get MD/PHD
 
Of course we have social skills. It's just that some of us would like to be part of the movement that changes medicine, not the ones that just practice it out of the book and charts and tables. We want change and innovation. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
did you include a 'lol' in your voting questions? wow...i hate you.....i hate you szhao.


Although I am sure that is how the questions were stated on the election ballot in 04 for Ohio: "Lol..Bush...Lol I'm an idiot.'
 
akademiks1989 said:
Of course we have social skills. It's just that some of us would like to be part of the movement that changes medicine, not the ones that just practice it out of the book and charts and tables. We want change and innovation. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Just out of curiosity. How old are you? And what stage in the application process are you?
 
jessy_erin said:
Just out of curiosity. How old are you? And what stage in the application process are you?
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17. Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful 😍

If you are wondering (which I assume you are), yes, I do want to do research, and yes, I am serious at that. I've visited many labs and am currently waiting on an interviewer to contact me back (wish me luck (-: )

I am in stage "Freshman Winter 2007 Semester" 😎
 
akademiks1989 said:
17. Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful 😍
If you are wondering (which I assume you are), yes, I do want to do research, and yes, I am serious at that. I've visited many labs and am currently waiting on an interviewer to contact me back (wish me luck (-: )

I am in stage "Freshman Winter 2007 Semester" 😎
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:laugh: :laugh:
 
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visiting a lab != working in one.

As a freshman I doubt you even have the technical skills to do any legitamite lab work

I am NOT saying that as a knock to you, but just words of caution... work in a lab for a few years, then see if MD/PHD is what you want.

AND of course, you don't need a PhD to do bench research, nor do you need an MD to do research either.
 
jessy_erin said:
Just out of curiosity. How old are you? And what stage in the application process are you?
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Rofl, I thought about that, then thought there was no need to demean him, but then you did it :laugh:
The "we" part was a bit presumptuous though.
 
akademiks1989 said:
17. Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful 😍

If you are wondering (which I assume you are), yes, I do want to do research, and yes, I am serious at that. I've visited many labs and am currently waiting on an interviewer to contact me back (wish me luck (-: )

I am in stage "Freshman Winter 2007 Semester" 😎
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As a freshman, heck even as a sophomore, don't really expect to do much.
I don't want to dash your hopes or anything, but most people early on start out as the lab bitch (dishes, autoclaving, making solutions).
However, the longer you stay on and the more you learn there, the higher the chances you'll get your own project.
They take you more seriously if you have taken advanced courseloads, and i know it is the case particularly in chemistry where you're pretty much useless unless you understand what is going on.
Being a technician running experiments over and over again without understanding the what and why does not equal doing research.
 
MinnyGophers said:
As a freshman, heck even as a sophomore, don't really expect to do much.
I don't want to dash your hopes or anything, but most people early on start out as the lab bitch (dishes, autoclaving, making solutions).
However, the longer you stay on and the more you learn there, the higher the chances you'll get your own project.
They take you more seriously if you have taken advanced courseloads, and i know it is the case particularly in chemistry where you're pretty much useless unless you understand what is going on.
Being a technician running experiments over and over again without understanding the what and why does not equal doing research.
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Granted that whole post was a bit presumptuous, but guys, please don't dog one people for being young. I started in a lab (actually working in one) when I was 16. I worked 40 hours a week during the summers, and was published. Age doesn't matter, it's just the drive. Please don't assume things about people based on age. I am just saying this because I have had so many problems with this- people doubting me because I am young. I have walked out of PI's labs because they just wouldn't believe a 16 year old published, or a freshman could do the work. It came to a point where, to be taken seriously, I would have to lie about my age to my colleagues. Some of us are just more ambitious than others, some of us dream of this stuff since we are young and can't wait to get on it and just get head starts.

I will say that akademiks should definitely face the grueling and sometimes frustrating experience that is lab work. I love it, but I'll tell you it's very different from what you might 'see' when you go visit. And as some have said on this thread, it isn't necessary to get a PhD to do benchwork, I plan on continuing research in medical school (and yes I am going to school come fall, not just a wishful freshman), but I decided a PhD was not necessary. When I was your age (three years ago) I was all about the MD/PhD, but after three years of basic science research, I am ready to move on.


szhao is still a flamer. Just wanted to take to throw that out there LOL!
 
yeah, I lol'd when I saw that akademiks answered as a MD/PhD.

But to trend back on-topic, I work for 2 MD/PhD's and they're both incredibly nice guys and both great with their patient's (hilarious senses of humor too). The SDN stereotype appears to be wrong once again.
 
airshad8 said:
Granted that whole post was a bit presumptuous, but guys, please don't dog one people for being young. I started in a lab (actually working in one) when I was 16. I worked 40 hours a week during the summers, and was published. Age doesn't matter, it's just the drive. Please don't assume things about people based on age. I am just saying this because I have had so many problems with this- people doubting me because I am young. I have walked out of PI's labs because they just wouldn't believe a 16 year old published, or a freshman could do the work. It came to a point where, to be taken seriously, I would have to lie about my age to my colleagues. Some of us are just more ambitious than others, some of us dream of this stuff since we are young and can't wait to get on it and just get head starts.

I will say that akademiks should definitely face the grueling and sometimes frustrating experience that is lab work. I love it, but I'll tell you it's very different from what you might 'see' when you go visit. And as some have said on this thread, it isn't necessary to get a PhD to do benchwork, I plan on continuing research in medical school (and yes I am going to school come fall, not just a wishful freshman), but I decided a PhD was not necessary. When I was your age (three years ago) I was all about the MD/PhD, but after three years of basic science research, I am ready to move on.


szhao is still a flamer. Just wanted to take to throw that out there LOL!
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I agree, I was not trying to dog him with my post.

I also started doing real research as a 17 year old, but I had to prove myself to my PI to let me take on my own project at that age. She still had to hold my hand for a while because it was all stuff I have never learned and was just too overwhelming.

Reality is, everyone has to prove what they are worth to their PI. And you have to do that by sticking to the lab and work hard, especially if you are young ( well, you also have to judge whether your PI would make a great research mentor as well). Some PIs are okay with taking youngins under their wing, but most prefer to have them grow in their lab for a bit beforehand because it is just too much work and it takes too much time to hold someone's hand through their project.

So, you are right; drive is necessary. However, there is a lot of grunt work to do for most people before they can do real meaningful research.
You can be as talented and ambitious as you want, but unless you already know most of the stuff they are doing, they are still not going to take you seriously.

Some just sound like you just waltz in, do experiments, and get published, it's not like that for undergrads.
 
I guess I am driven, so sometimes I say things before they actually happen because I am excited.


LOL @ all the comments. You people are funny:laugh:
 
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szhao said:
seems people on this board regard MD/PHD as people without social skills and can't deal with patients. i feel this is not true haha, but then again lets pull the audiance
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Why do you care what people think??????????????? Do whatever makes you happy. A part of being an adult is being able to make your own decisions.
 
PEN15 said:
Why do you care what people think??????????????? Do whatever makes you happy. A part of being an adult is being able to make your own decisions.
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lol i know, but its just a study on preception. its one thing to not let others dictate your career choice, but it is another to be interested in what others think. that is why i make polls rather than free response
 
Unless there's a specific reason for it, doesn't MD/PhD = LOSER, not looser?
I originally wanted this as well, but have realized that a nice mix of research and patients can come from an MD only.
 
degoo_ said:
Unless there's a specific reason for it, doesn't MD/PhD = LOSER, not looser?
I originally wanted this as well, but have realized that a nice mix of research and patients can come from an MD only.
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Well in some cases they are looser... I happen to know a very skanky MD/PhD...

OP: Some people make polls for the sake of making polls. I haven't.... yet.
 
szhao said:
lol sorry hahaha bad spelling on my part
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You gotta type it like you pronounce it, init fobby!? LOLZ


Sorry, As certain hopes for a field in medicine look dim, I have taken a new profession: Szhao's Full-time Ball Buster.
 
airshad8 said:
You gotta type it like you pronounce it, init fobby!? LOLZ


Sorry, As certain hopes for a field in medicine look dim, I have taken a new profession: Szhao's Full-time Ball Buster.
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OMG i want to like take your head and bam it against the wall, wait until i come down to boston, i am going to steal your comp
 
IM Department Chair here is MD/PhD -- cardiologist. He's right at home with patients, in the lab, or in the board room. I don't expect we'll have him much longer. I see a Deanship in his near future.
 
I heard people who do MD/PhDs can no longer have babies. Is this true?
 
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Ok, I might be an uninformed idiot, but I thought MD/PhD programs were harder to get accepted into, and when completed lead to the best residencies...let's say it is your fantasy to be the top neurosurgeon of your generation. So, you get accepted into the MD/PhD program at Harvard, then you are set up for a spectacular residency wherever... no?

Why can't they have babies??
 
lindac said:
Ok, I might be an uninformed idiot, but I thought MD/PhD programs were harder to get accepted into, and when completed lead to the best residencies...let's say it is your fantasy to be the top neurosurgeon of your generation. So, you get accepted into the MD/PhD program at Harvard, then you are set up for a spectacular residency wherever... no?

Why can't they have babies??
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he means because we have small confidence, sigh ai your not love you fool

lol it was a joke, but no hahah best surgeons don't necessarily get MD/PHD, MD/PHD is for people interested in doing research (especially translational research, which involves bring basic science to medicine). of course u also have those people who just want to have a full ride, but those are rare. haha.
 
Haha, going into MD/PhD for the full ride is ******ed. You could easily make up the money saved in the extra years needed for the PhD...
 
Jacks Mannequin said:
Haha, going into MD/PhD for the full ride is ******ed. You could easily make up the money saved in the extra years needed for the PhD...
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haha that is what love for a field means, money is not the driving force behind MOST md/phd, but i mean some people just don't have the down payment and can't get lones.
 
MinnyGophers said:
As a freshman, heck even as a sophomore, don't really expect to do much.
I don't want to dash your hopes or anything, but most people early on start out as the lab bitch (dishes, autoclaving, making solutions).
However, the longer you stay on and the more you learn there, the higher the chances you'll get your own project.
They take you more seriously if you have taken advanced courseloads, and i know it is the case particularly in chemistry where you're pretty much useless unless you understand what is going on.
Being a technician running experiments over and over again without understanding the what and why does not equal doing research.
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You don't have to start out doing just bitchwork (although I think most people do). I guess I got lucky, but at the end of my freshman year (this past summer) I started work doing molecular physiology research. The PI I work for is great. While I was still the one who had to go autoclave stuff and wash dishes, I had my own project from the beginning and I go back on breaks to work on it... before I even started my sophomore year, I had solid results (expression patterns of a certain gene after the LH surge) and this summer will be figuring out what the gene's function in ovulation is. I hope to have preliminary results published in a (non-undergraduate) journal before I start applying to med schools next ('08) summer.

I got the job by sending a CV and letter by email to research department heads and asking them to forward it to their departments, got a few offers from PIs looking for undergrads, and picked the one that sounded most like it would let me do my own research.

So, just a beacon of hope there. Good luck to anyone looking for research positions.

BTW, I want to go MD and specialize in medical genetics.
 
lindac said:
Ok, I might be an uninformed idiot, but I thought MD/PhD programs were harder to get accepted into, and when completed lead to the best residencies...let's say it is your fantasy to be the top neurosurgeon of your generation. So, you get accepted into the MD/PhD program at Harvard, then you are set up for a spectacular residency wherever... no?

Why can't they have babies??
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This is something I initially thought as well- but turns out the PhD doesn't give MD/PhD an edge for residencies. Residencies are based mostly on grades, ranking (if school has this) USMLE scores, and LORs, and of course ECs, etc. The PhD part doesn't necessarly mean you are going to be a more competent neurosurgeon. I have friends who did MD/PhD and not get into neurosurger/derm, and friends who only did MD and get in. As szhao said (still a flamer), you get the PhD because you are interested in the field of that particular science, because you wish to pursue that science. It's not to get a full ride, or an edge on other people. If you want the edge- do internships, etc before residencies, not PhD.

Oh and about the babies, it's because when you matriculate for MD/PhD, you don't only have a white coat ceremony, you also have to get a vasectomy to seal the deal. How else do they know you will go through with the long haul?
 
airshad8 said:
This is something I initially thought as well- but turns out the PhD doesn't give MD/PhD an edge for residencies. Residencies are based mostly on grades, ranking (if school has this) USMLE scores, and LORs, and of course ECs, etc. The PhD part doesn't necessarly mean you are going to be a more competent neurosurgeon. I have friends who did MD/PhD and not get into neurosurger/derm, and friends who only did MD and get in. As szhao said (still a flamer), you get the PhD because you are interested in the field of that particular science, because you wish to pursue that science. It's not to get a full ride, or an edge on other people. If you want the edge- do internships, etc before residencies, not PhD.

Oh and about the babies, it's because when you matriculate for MD/PhD, you don't only have a white coat ceremony, you also have to get a vasectomy to seal the deal. How else do they know you will go through with the long haul?
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:laugh:
 
Shzao...

Do you realize that you post "lol" or "haha" in pretty much every one of your posts? Are you really that happy? Just an observation. Glad to see that you are a very happy person. Anyway, my opinion is that MD/PhD, are every bit as capable.

Nubs

This is not meant to be antagonistic in the least bit.
 
nubbey24 said:
Shzao...

Do you realize that you post "lol" or "haha" in pretty much every one of your posts? Are you really that happy? Just an observation. Glad to see that you are a very happy person. Anyway, my opinion is that MD/PhD, are every bit as capable.

Nubs

This is not meant to be antagonistic in the least bit.
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I've asked him this before. According to Mr. szhao, it is a substitution for punctuation. He finds punctuation too 'conventional'. LOOSER BAHAHA.
 
nubbey24 said:
Shzao...

Do you realize that you post "lol" or "haha" in pretty much every one of your posts? Are you really that happy? Just an observation. Glad to see that you are a very happy person. Anyway, my opinion is that MD/PhD, are every bit as capable.

Nubs

This is not meant to be antagonistic in the least bit.
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hahaha i don't mind, i know i say it too much, its just a habit. but what you spelled my name WRONG.


OMG AI, u shall feel my pain on AIM
 
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My bad...I promise not to do it again (lol)
 
Oh and about the babies, it's because when you matriculate for MD/PhD, you don't only have a white coat ceremony, you also have to get a vasectomy to seal the deal. How else do they know you will go through with the long haul?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up... I was worried it was some chemical they were exposed to in the lab : )
 
The only MD/Ph.D hopeful I know is pretty much the most compassionate male I've ever met. I'm sure he's going to be wonderful with patients.

Although now I'll have to pass on to him the lowdown on the vasectomies. 😉

~Silk and Steel
 
lol yes, our dirty secret is out, *cries* but apparently 30% of the female population feels we are not worthly, *runs into my secret room*
 
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