I have been told that podiatry students sit for USMLE

[drno31]

I want to thank everyone involved in this thread for the hilarious tangents that an obvious troll sent you on:
-Do pre-med GPA and MCAT correlate with USMLE score?
-Is the MCAT a measure of intelligence?
-Should foot be a medical residency?
-Isn't foot already a medical residency?
-Are ANY medical subspecialties worth going into if this is "medical" school?

Well done, guys.

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[PatchAdamsFan]

Fun to read regardless.

 

[level]

I'm loath to post in this forum, but the individual who started this thread isn't looking for answers. He's a longtime forum troll (banned repeatedly) who runs a forum exclusively dedicated to badmouthing podiatry and posting insanity. Below are two of his recent posts in our forum. The posts he has made in this forum are posted word for word on his other forum. Thanks.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13651870&postcount=31
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13653477&postcount=37

This is an amusing thread.

However this is a disturbing post from a future "Dr" a particularly cruel comment attacking the OP. If this a "longtime troll" your post suggests some knowledge we are not privy to. "He runs a forum," sounds like you are someone personally invested.

 

[craptivator]

This is an amusing thread.

However this is a disturbing post from a future "Dr" a particularly cruel comment attacking the OP. If this a "longtime troll" your post suggests some knowledge we are not privy to. "He runs a forum," sounds like you are someone personally invested.

Pod students could easily do well on the USMLE. It is the same basic sciences plus the training is in some of the colleges exactly the same as the DO schools.

 

[craptivator]

As for our boards, podiatry students take the APMLE steps 1, 2 and 3, the tests themselves are somewhat different than the USMLE. As where the USMLE is case vignettes the APMLE is more just questions based on facts, for example what nerve innervates this muscle, or what medication has its action on X. Many students use first aid to study, because First Aid covers everything that we are tested on for the APMLE (biochem, pharm, lower extremity anatomy, general anatomy, micor, phys, and path). Podiatry school is almost identical to a traditional MD or DO school for the first year or two depending on the podiatry school you attend. At Des Moines University, we attend almost all the same classes as the DO students and are graded on the same scale. The only exception the first year is that we as podiatry students take intro to podiatric medicine and the DO students take history of medicine and OMM. Our second year consists of systems courses just as the DO program, but we take lower limb anatomy (after having taken general anatomy), and more podiatry specific courses. Our third and fourth year is spent on rotations just like our DO counterparts, we rotate through private practice and internal medicine, but our other rotations are more geared towards podiatry. After 4 years of podiatry school we perform a three year residency, which depending on the residency you place into grants you training in forefoot, rearfoot, and ankle treatment qualification. Podiatrists have full privileges to admit and operate at most if not all hospitals.

Exactly. This proves my point.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Pod students could easily do well on the USMLE. It is the same basic sciences plus the training is in some of the colleges exactly the same as the DO schools.

Given that the MCAT correlates to the step 1 scores I doubt they'd do that great on it, on average. Would they pass? Maybe. Do well? Doubt it.

 

[craptivator]

Given that the MCAT correlates to the step 1 scores I doubt they'd do that great on it, on average. Would they pass? Maybe. Do well? Doubt it.

We are talking basic sciences here not MCAT. Many Podiatric medical schools do not require the MCAT.

 

[feet2017]

We are talking basic sciences here not MCAT. Many Podiatric medical schools do not require the MCAT.

I have no idea why you would bump this thread....anyways idk about "many" only temple really takes DAT besides the MCAT, nycpm is attempting to phase out and become only MCAT. so basically 7/9 schools require an MCAT..I smell a troll just saying..

 

[craptivator]

I have no idea why you would bump this thread....anyways idk about "many" only temple really takes DAT besides the MCAT, nycpm is attempting to phase out and become only MCAT. so basically 7/9 schools require an MCAT..I smell a troll just saying..

I bumped this thread because I had a heated discussion on this topic and I feel that it is high time to set the record straight that Podiatric medical school basic science is no different than DO or MD basic science training. We do get the same DEA registration. I think that this is something to make clear with the changes ahead and Podiatric Medicine's part in delivery of healthcare and that Podiatric physicians should play a more active role in the shortage of primary care doctors..

 

[feet2017]

I bumped this thread because I had a heated discussion on this topic and I feel that it is high time to set the record straight that Podiatric medical school basic science is no different than DO or MD basic science training. We do get the same DEA registration. I think that this is something to make clear with the changes ahead and Podiatric Medicine's part in delivery of healthcare and that Podiatric physicians should play a more active role in the shortage of primary care doctors..

If you want to take a piece of the pie, expect to start a war. 👍

No offense we are foot and ankle specialist. We are like any other specialty in MD/DO school. We practice within our scope. If you want to do primary care become a PCP

 

[tiedyeddog]

I bumped this thread because I had a heated discussion on this topic and I feel that it is high time to set the record straight that Podiatric medical school basic science is no different than DO or MD basic science training. We do get the same DEA registration. I think that this is something to make clear with the changes ahead and Podiatric Medicine's part in delivery of healthcare and that Podiatric physicians should play a more active role in the shortage of primary care doctors..

Whoa, whoa. No. You guys should not take a part in the primary care shortage. You are not pcps. The first two years of basic sciences does not a primary care physician make.

 

[craptivator]

Whoa, whoa. No. You guys should not take a part in the primary care shortage. You are not pcps. The first two years of basic sciences does not a primary care physician make.

Disagree. NP, PA minimal training add training to Podiatric curriculum. How long do the extenders train to be available to pick up slack?

 

[tiedyeddog]

Disagree. NP, PA minimal training add training to Podiatric curriculum. How long do the extenders train to be available to pick up slack?

What training in primary care do pods have at all?

 

[Ferocity]

I bumped this thread because I had a heated discussion on this topic and I feel that it is high time to set the record straight that Podiatric medical school basic science is no different than DO or MD basic science training. We do get the same DEA registration. I think that this is something to make clear with the changes ahead and Podiatric Medicine's part in delivery of healthcare and that Podiatric physicians should play a more active role in the shortage of primary care doctors..

There is no "we". You failed out of podiatry school and now you're quite bitter.

 

[craptivator]

If you want to take a piece of the pie, expect to start a war.

Already us, see DNP, NP, PA, DPT.
No offense we are foot and ankle specialist. We are like any other specialty in MD/DO school. We practice within our scope. If you want to do primary care become a PCP

Not the same training for all. Maybe you have different training. Not all Podiatric physicians are trained the same.

Many PCPs docs do not see new patients. Shotage requires someone pick up slack. Podiatric Physicians are better trained, have DEA, and can be retrained to pick up where the physician extenders fall short. Podiatric physicians are already trained just add to it enough so they can work with other docs as peers.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Not the same training for all. Maybe you have different training. Not all Podiatric physicians are trained the same.

Many PCPs docs do not see new patients. Shotage requires someone pick up slack. Podiatric Physicians are better trained, have DEA, and can be retrained to pick up where the physician extenders fall short. Podiatric physicians are already trained just add to it enough so they can work with other docs as peers.

Lol, so what do you want to be, I am kind of confused:

1. An np or pa
2. A physician

You guys aren't pcps. If you wanted to be that you should have gone to medical school.

 

[craptivator]

What training in primary care do pods have at all?

Whatever they do not have can be added.

Additional training would not be too difficult because most are already well trained in surgical skill and many have capacity beyond extenders to work cooperatively in a overburdened system.

There are more Americans with many more medical problems that are already seen by podiatrists. Many Podiatric physicians are routinely treating chronic disease local manifestations. Advance training to augment care, ie, HTN, DM, CHF med evaluation and stabilize and work in tandem with IM or FP. Whole patient care and a well rounded working relationship with busy IM FP docs will free up resources and provide more care to more patients by ALREADY efficient trained and proven trainable physician level providers.

Podiatric physicians function in this parading somewhere between extender and provider.

Many times the Podiatric physician is the first contact in the system for a foot issue. I am suggesting retooling what already is to expand affordable care under one roof.

 

[yehhhboiii]

Not the same training for all. Maybe you have different training. Not all Podiatric physicians are trained the same.

Many PCPs docs do not see new patients. Shotage requires someone pick up slack. Podiatric Physicians are better trained, have DEA, and can be retrained to pick up where the physician extenders fall short. Podiatric physicians are already trained just add to it enough so they can work with other docs as peers.

Huh

 

[tiedyeddog]

Sure, tack on a few years to your residency time. FP is three or four years. You guys normally do three? So, do a six year residency and you can be the primary care foot specialist your mom always wanted you to be. 😉

 

[craptivator]

There is no "we". You failed out of podiatry school and now you're quite bitter.

Mr. Ferocious I do not know you and you do not know me, can you focus on the content instead of speculating?

I have reported your bellicose post to the moderator. Try to control yourself. Impulse control is a good thing to manage as you approach a time when you will take on the responsibilities of patient care,

 

[arez10]

2 points:

1) We simply don't have the training to both specialize in the foot and ankle AND manage systemic diseases. You can't have it both ways without adding more time to the training.

2) You're probably the only one who WANTS this. Why in the world would someone go into a specialized field from day one only to want to also treat the whole body? That's what medical school and an FP residency is for. A podiatrist's office isn't a one-stop shop, sorry.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Go to medical school and become a PCP.

Or become a NP/PA and work for a PCP if you want to be in a PCP-like setting without medical school.

 

[craptivator]

Go to medical school and become a PCP.

Or become a NP/PA and work for a PCP if you want to be in a PCP-like setting without medical school.

Podiatric Medical school and three year residency is sufficient training for performing history and physical examinations on our patients today. The Podiatric Physician is often the first encounter many patients have in the health care system. This has been in place for decades. Reimbursement for complex evaluation should be part of ordinary course of lower extremity management. DEA registration is for schedule 2 and below. Podiatric Physicians already have complete autonomy to diagnose and treat. Modification to augment stressed system would not be commensurate with your condescending tone.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Podiatric Medical school and three year residency is sufficient training for performing history and physical examinations on our patients today. The Podiatric Physician is often the first encounter many patients have in the health care system. This has been in place for decades. Reimbursement for complex evaluation should be part of ordinary course of lower extremity management. DEA registration is for schedule 2 and below. Podiatric Physicians already have complete autonomy to diagnose and treat. Modification to augment stressed system would not be commensurate with your condescending tone.

If you guys can pass Step 1, 2, and 3, and get accepted into a PCP residency, then maybe you deserve to become a PCP. Everyone wants a short cut.

My problem with anyone besides a MD/DO trying to pass themselves off as primary care providers with full autonomy is that they don't go through the steps we are required to show our expertise both in basic and clinical science topics.

Also - "Modification to augment stressed system would not be commensurate with your condescending tone"?

Are you just looking up SAT words and using them without understanding their definitions?

Keep trolling, I won't respond further.

 

[craptivator]

Evaluating a patient at an initial encounter requires considering the complete medical, social, and to the greatest extent, genetic background, as well as present, past, and projected medications. Often a gal on OCs may have that Factor V Leiden, but generally the initial encounter should give a good read on the overall health of the pt. their overall appearance, sensorium, and pain threshold. The interview can be a wealth of information, sclera, CNs, grip strength, gait, all come into play when considering a lump or bump. How does the presenting complaint manifest in time, recurrence, remedies, self-care? Dietary nuance can be extracted through ordinary chat, and a sense of the adrenal, hypothalamic pituitary axis sized up via verbal, and physical challenges. Many things beyond the brief notations, especially vascularity, hyper, hyporeflexias, and mood disorders merely by a brief exam of a foot. What was that about SATs?

 

[craptivator]

Evaluating a patient at an initial encounter requires considering the complete medical, social, and to the greatest extent, genetic background, as well as present, past, and projected medications. Often a gal on OCs may have that Factor V Leiden, but generally the initial encounter should give a good read on the overall health of the pt. their overall appearance, sensorium, and pain threshold. The interview can be a wealth of information, sclera, CNs, grip strength, gait, all come into play when considering a lump or bump. How does the presenting complaint manifest in time, recurrence, remedies, self-care? Dietary nuance can be extracted through ordinary chat, and a sense of the adrenal, hypothalamic pituitary axis sized up via verbal, and physical challenges. Many things beyond the brief notations, especially vascularity, hyper, hyporeflexias, and mood disorders merely by a brief exam of a foot. What was that about SATs?

You don't want a patient tumbling down after an injection for some localized enthesopathy, so never draw up a syringe in front of your patient, and always have your nurse in the exam room. Syncope can be a real mess--litigation wise, don't want a head lac. On second thought you can run through all the data with a notebook, but without hands-on patient contact, it'll be real hard to get a sense of patient one on one care-there remains a lot to be said for: Laying of the hands. You can now dismiss my pedantic rambling and proceed with assuming this is merely a troll post. Cheers.

 

[dyk343]

Just so everyone knows... Craptivator is the same poster who started this thread. His intentions are to stir everyone up. He has about 20 handles on SDN. He will soon be logging in as another name and commenting here. Pay no attention to him. He has been trolling for years. It's quite sad really.

 

[craptivator]

Just so everyone knows... Craptivator is the same poster who started this thread. His intentions are to stir everyone up. He has about 20 handles on SDN. He will soon be logging in as another name and commenting here. Pay no attention to him. He has been trolling for years. It's quite sad really.

Is that so? How is it that this wisdom is bestowed upon you? Perhaps you have some extraordinary prescience, hmmm-the content is of no merit yet a fascination, insinuation, innuendo, and calumny rears itself from deep within. Is this to humanely warn others of this ogre, or share your grand wisdom whose derivation is at best feeble.

How is it that a student can come upon such wisdom? Share with us what formula you've derived . . .

 

[Wordead]

Just so everyone knows... Craptivator is the same poster who started this thread. His intentions are to stir everyone up. He has about 20 handles on SDN. He will soon be logging in as another name and commenting here. Pay no attention to him. He has been trolling for years. It's quite sad really.

I think it's pretty amusing. The stream of consciousness spiel trying to seem medically competent was excellent.

 

[craptivator]

I think it's pretty amusing. The stream of consciousness spiel trying to seem medically competent was excellent.

It's truly delightful to access primary process thinking. I'm glad you find it amusing, it serves me well.

 

[sector9]

Closing old, bumped thread