I have no idea how research works

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Hi everyone,

To put the main question up front and save you all time, if someone could go through the entire process how doing beginng research as a medical student works, I would be eternally grateful, because I know exactly nothing about the process. That is my main question, and there are further, more specific scenarios/questions below if you care to read them.

I am a first year medical student (not MD/PhD, just straight up MD), currently looking to do research during this summer, and I have very little research experience in undergrad, so maybe that is why I feel like an idiot, but I was hoping you guys could help me out.

Here is my situation. I am interested in doing either neurology or neurosurgery as a specialty. I thus want to get involved in research in these areas. I have emailed a few researchers at my school who are doing research that looks interesting to me. Nobody has agreed to meet with me yet, but I don't want to look like an idiot at my first meeting with them, so my first question is this:

what do I ask when I do meet with them? I have zero experience in neurology and know next to nothing about the subject. Should I even be doing research in this field since I know nothing about it (though I really don't know a whole lot about anything, my undergrad major was biochem).

Is the expectation that I make my own research project and design it myself? This is what it seems like is expected, but again, I would have no idea where to start. If possible, I would rather just jump on a project they are already doing and basically be a lab tech if it could get my name on a paper (or is this frowned upon?) Do I say I would be interested in this during the first meeting with a possible mentor?

What is the deal with funding? I keep on getting emails from my schools research director about different fellowships for various things, but for many of these things it seems like you already need a mentor and a research design. Is there other ways to get funding? What is the point of funding, too? Is it just to get a living stipend? Because I could live without that.

tl;dr I am really confused about how research works, and anything to help me understand the process would be greatly appreciated. I am sorry for being stupid about this, but nothing makes sense to me, and whenever someone at my school talks about it it sounds like they are speaking a foreign language. If someone could just go through the standard way research works for a med student I would be eternally grateful.
 
First, you are doing the right thing by emailing people. I would be sure to be upfront with them that you are exploring opportunities but that you are interested in exploring potential research opportunities. Granted you don't know what you want to do for sure but if you are even considering neurosurgery you are right to try and start now.

1. be sure to tell them this is not just a summer thing. that you are committed to seeing the project to completion and won't bail. This is probably the most important thing. likely you can't expect something to get done in the 2.5 months you have for summer. And these people have likely worked with numerous people who have bailed before.

2. You could work on designing your own project... however as a M1 you don't really have the knowledge from a practical standpoint to develop a decent hypothesis.

3. I would suggest jumping on projects they have on-going and seeing them through to the end. You'll be able to gain valuable experience this way. Try to get involved with all aspects from design (if it isn't already done) to data collection to writing and publication. Let the principle investigator worry about funding (if the project is on-going it won't be a problem). Once you get some experience I think it would be good to try and work with your research investigator to develop a good question.

4. I have read advice from others that often times people who work with students and residents do so essentially out of the goodness of their heart, meaning projects they do don't advance the principle investigator's career.

5. To find a project you could contact the program coordinator of the neuro or neurosurg residency program (not the director) and see if he/she knows any people who like working with students/residents. You could contact the program director if you want but they may not reply as it is a busy time for them now. Also, you could contact the clerkship director for your 3rd year neuro and/or surgery rotation to see if they know anyone in the field you are interested in.


When you email just be sure to say you don't have experience, are looking to help in any way possible with on-going projects right now but in time would be interested in developing further projects, can start in the summer but will be committed to the project's completion no matter how long it takes, and are available to meet at any time. Be short and sweet with your email and generally open to meet on their schedule since they are all pretty busy. Be honest when you meet them and do no bail on the project when school starts back up (that is likely their main concern). When the time comes to write the paper/manuscript be sure to have some role in it so you can get your name as an author of some sort on the project (authorship will follow you around forever).

Personally I'd also suggest try to see some surgeries or get to clinic with the guy you work with as well. Also, find a person you mesh well with because you'll be working together for a while and if you do not like the guy then it will suck for you big time.

I'm sure you'll find someone. Hope that helps.
 
An addition to the above post: read some of the papers in the labs your exploring and be sure you are able to explain why you are intrested in their work or a particular project.

Also although getting funding can be tricky I find most PIs are more willing to take students who have their own funding since its free labour for them.

N.B. not currently a med student but a researcher
 
Find a potential mentor through your school's website whose research sounds interesting to you. Search their name on pubmed.com and read their work. Tell them you are looking to get involved in a long term research project and mention something specific about their work (tell them you read paper "xyz" and it was interesting, i.e. flatter them and it shows you aren't lazy). Hope that they email you back.

You should also be able to email "general" people such as a research coordinator in the department you want or perhaps the neurology clerkship director at your school and say something like "...do you know of any research opportunities for medical students in the neurology department?"
 
I find most PIs are more willing to take students who have their own funding since its free labour for them.

lol yeah forgot to say that as well. Definitely my experience and have been told straight up that is a big reason why they like med students.

So OP it shouldn't be that hard to find someone. Just make you you meet them ahead of time to be certain there are no glaring issues that would prevent you from working with this individual as your boss/mentor. I met a research investigator once and he just came off as a huge douche, sounded like he wanted me to work until I died, downplayed anything I said, etc. Ended up not working with him at all because there is no way I could stand that. Don't settle. There are plenty of nice people (and I am cautioning you because you may do research in neurosurgery - a very hardcore field with type A personalities).
 
Thank you all so much for your help! This really helped to clear things up for me!!
 
lol yeah forgot to say that as well. Definitely my experience and have been told straight up that is a big reason why they like med students.

So OP it shouldn't be that hard to find someone. Just make you you meet them ahead of time to be certain there are no glaring issues that would prevent you from working with this individual as your boss/mentor. I met a research investigator once and he just came off as a huge douche, sounded like he wanted me to work until I died, downplayed anything I said, etc. Ended up not working with him at all because there is no way I could stand that. Don't settle. There are plenty of nice people (and I am cautioning you because you may do research in neurosurgery - a very hardcore field with type A personalities).
I would agree make sure you get along with your mentor/PI, and that this who you want for a mentor.

When I look for PIs I disscuss how I like to do research/work and make sure our styles mesh
 
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