I heard some docs smoke weed, Do they get fired?

[roseglass6370]

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You should ask Jean Valjean

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[armorshell]

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With a Rachel Barry avatar, I'd expect at least that much. Didn't she do "On my own" in one episode?

 

[LiveUninhibited]

But that is not the point of the OP's post and it's a red herring.

Plus one is illegal, the other is not...

It's not a red herring, it's an argument against the legal status of marijuana. If you want to restrict the discussion to whether or not you can get fired for doing something illegal, there's not much of a discussion to have. Regarding medical marijuana, federal law still trumps state law.

Doing something illegal isn't morally or ethically wrong?

Not at all. In some situations doing something illegal may be ethically right. The trite example is during slavery. Helping slaves to escape would have been illegal, but it was morally and ethically heroic. I'm not going to call using marijuana heroic, but going after people who use marijuana and are still responsible and productive citizens is an example of the law being immoral, just as the law was immoral with slavery.

If disobeying the law is not immoral or unethical per se, what is the moral or ethical imperative for acting lawfully?

Morality is logically derived and necessary for an advanced, interdependent society. It is a waste to enforce laws against things that do not harm others.

Laws derive from common morality.

Ad populum fallacy. What the majority of people think does not determine what is factual or moral.

As long as people agreed that unborn babies should not be vacuumed out of the mother's uterus for trivial reasons, abortion was illegal. When the Supreme Court overruled that law and a generation was raised with the idea that unborn babies were simply "tissue", the abortion culture was born, and now a fair percentage of people do not agree with the morality of protecting unborn life. So since it's no longer a common morality, it's no longer law.

I think you should learn more about the history of abortion. Abortion until quickening in various forms was common practice throughout many societies for most of human history and pre-history. For America, allopaths of the AMA launched a crusade against abortion about a hundred years before RvW because it was a primary source of income for those they viewed as quacks, and threats to their own dominance.

Does that mean it's morally acceptable to tear your unborn child to pieces, just because it is legal?

The answer to that question is quite obviously independent from the law, regardless of whether you're pro-choice or pro-life... so didn't you just contradict yourself?

When we make laws, the point of the laws is this: We agree that this basic minimum standard of morality must be enforced. To live together (as someone else so inelegantly put it) as primates in a society, we all consent to live by at least the basic minimum rules of social decency, which we call laws. Unless the laws are so corrupt that they mandate explicitly immoral things -- such as Nazis hunting down Jews -- we are ethically and morally bound to uphold the law. Breaking the law is, by definition, antisocial and unethical.

The only thing breaking the law is by definition is imprudent to the extent that the laws have teeth and you're likely to get caught. Laws ought to be logical and moral, and those laws ought to be respected for their own sake. But immoral laws ought only to be respected in the same way you would a dangerous beast that tries to kill you unless you erect a 12-foot fence around your property. You respect the fact that it can hurt you, and you'll build the fence for now, but you'll take both it and the beast down as soon as you can. Such is the way that immoral laws ought to be treated.

 

[JoshUNCW]

Who are you? Why should doctors not be allowed to drink socially? Thats an absurd remark to make. I think MANY physicians would disagree. As a previous poster said - maybe they shouldn't be allowed to eat fast food? Being a physician Doesn't mean you can't do things unhealthy on your FREE time. As long as it's not on the job and doesn't afffect your performance do what you want.

He's obviously a troll or a very very simple minded person. Either way I wouldn't waste too much time trying to change his mind. People like that aren't going to listen to reason.

 

[runawayclock]

Two points...

1) I second the people who said that firing a doc who smokes marijuana off the job is equivalent to firing one who puts back a couple beers on a night off. I am by no means advocating marijuana, I'm just sayin'.

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As long as the doc isn't showing up stoned, and as long as it does not interfere with their ability to do their job well, I fail to see why smoking up once in a while (or knocking back a few) should count as an offense.

inb4 BUT IT'S ILLEGAL ZOMG arguments.

 

[runawayclock]

Mormons, and several other Christian off-shoots, some Buddhist and Hindu sects, etc.



Drinking is a huge part of my religion, pretty much any holiday/ritual has alcohol attached to it. Not just a sip but a shot. Temples even give out bottles of alcohol on New Years, gallons of it are poured on the ground before building, traditional weddings crack open barrels, etc.

How do i join your glorious organization?