I need a job in NYC

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I didn't graduate too long ago and I definitely can't flaunt my age or experience. And it's been around 9 months since I last worked as a dentist. I did nothing ever since and was fully content with that....until I received a letter from my loan holder. I NEED to start working within the next two weeks to prepare for the end of my grace period and enter loan repayment, which totals $4000/month. ( my private loans have an interest of 9% ! I used up all of my deferment/forbearance limits too. I have to start making the payments no matter what)

I've been emailing and faxing my resumes in response to online and newspaper ads looking for dentists. I'm not getting any replies that lead to an employment. If I keep up this pace of mass sending resumes, I'm worried that I would easily exhaust all the sources of dental employment in the city.

Leaving NYC is not an option. I don't have a driver's license and I have family issues.

Given recent changes in the law, I can't declare bankruptcy on my loans. Also, I don't fit the criteria for receiving unemployment claims or welfare.

Am I pretty screwed? Any advice?
 
I didn't graduate too long ago and I definitely can't flaunt my age or experience. And it's been around 9 months since I last worked as a dentist. I did nothing ever since and was fully content with that....until I received a letter from my loan holder. I NEED to start working within the next two weeks to prepare for the end of my grace period and enter loan repayment, which totals $4000/month. ( my private loans have an interest of 9% ! I used up all of my deferment/forbearance limits too. I have to start making the payments no matter what)

Did you go to dental school just for fun? Why no work for 9 months?
 
Get in line behind everyone from wall street.
 
I didn't graduate too long ago and I definitely can't flaunt my age or experience. And it's been around 9 months since I last worked as a dentist. I did nothing ever since and was fully content with that....until I received a letter from my loan holder. I NEED to start working within the next two weeks to prepare for the end of my grace period and enter loan repayment, which totals $4000/month. ( my private loans have an interest of 9% ! I used up all of my deferment/forbearance limits too. I have to start making the payments no matter what)

I've been emailing and faxing my resumes in response to online and newspaper ads looking for dentists. I'm not getting any replies that lead to an employment. If I keep up this pace of mass sending resumes, I'm worried that I would easily exhaust all the sources of dental employment in the city.

Leaving NYC is not an option. I don't have a driver's license and I have family issues.

Given recent changes in the law, I can't declare bankruptcy on my loans. Also, I don't fit the criteria for receiving unemployment claims or welfare.

Am I pretty screwed? Any advice?

I'm assuming you did your GPR locally. and that didn't lead to any networking for you?

forgive me for being rude but you might want to consider going back to the school you graduated from (columbia or nyu) and completing mock interviews and asking for lead assistance. you may be "coming off" the wrong way. And I most certainly would not mention any "family issues" or other such "distractions" when you say you want to stay in the city.


You sound like you're restricting what you're willing to do too much. You dont have a drivers license? Tough. get one. you may be a "doctor" but right now, you're just like any other unemployed person. there are PLENTY of places you can work without a drivers license too. Mass transit can easily take you to jersey, upstate ny, connecticut, etc on a daily basis. You're really in no position to be choosy. and LOADS of people make that commute daily.

as for being fully content with doing nothing previously? well really what in the world did you expect to happen? I'm in NYC too. I can name a handful of practices off the top of my head that are desperate for dentists. They sure as hell aren't on park ave. you will most likely end up in a medicaid based practice or an hmo staff model...but thats the situation you've put yourself in. and frankly, it sounds like the experience of all the difficult cases is exactly what you need.

You dont really sound all that interested in improving your skills or I'd suggest applying for more advanced education to push back your repayment schedule and strengthen your resume.

and did you not consolidate your loans? I know how much it costs to go to nyu and columbia and I realize its really expensive....if you have family issues that restrict you from going out of the city and area recent grad, I would assume you went to one of the two. There's no reason that even with NYU prices, you should be paying back 48,000 a year. consolidate, drop your interest, put yourself on a 30 yr loan. 4 yrs at NYU + 1 yr GPR + interest still puts you in at under 500k even if you lived in manhattan the whole time...paying 4k a month on a standard 10 yr schedule basically means you were living it up and managed to put yourself under a lot more than necessary. First thing to do is call the lender and renogiate your terms.

there really is no reason for you to be paying 9% unless you just didnt make any effort to change that. specially these days. I've seen people drop from 16% foreign/international student private loans to 4% and under with basic consolidation and a little negotiating.

Meanwhile, if you're not living for free with said family in a home you all own, then you need to consider moving out to queens. if you cant afford manhattan, then you cant afford it, period.

and when you say the responses you get dont lead to employment, have you explicity asked why? did you attend any working trials? were you found lacking in skills for a certain procedure? did the staff or patients just not like you? or are your expectations for the kind of place you should be working at right now just too high?

definitely a situation you need to go speak to your graduating dental school about AND your GPR director. even nyu, the most money hungry blood sucking school I can imagine, would make an effort to help you out.
 
i hope you joking... if you're not, I'm going to make this short and sweet.

Pull you head out of your butt and do what you gotta do to make it happen. Move to where you can get employed and take whatever family problems you have with you. Get a freaking license and don't use that as an excuse. Get out of NYC as this is the most saturated place for dentists in the country. Hell, go work in alaska and live next to where you work so you don't have to get a license if you can't bring yourself to do it. If you've got the brains to get through school than you should at least have the sense to figure out the bare minimum of what you need to do and do it now! If you're looking for a cheerleader to route you on, sorry. I think it's pathetic that you seem so clueless and you shouldn't have gone to dental school nor should anyone have loaned you 300K to be so irresponsible.

Good luck, go make it happen!
 
May I ask why you don't fit the criteria for receiving welfare?

If you have no job and no car and no home, then make a baby and you will get welfare and section 8.
 
I appreciate everyone's feedback.

But please hear me out before making a final judgement.

As one of the other posters stated, I am fully aware of some NYC-based clinics that are actively seeking dentists. I've previously worked in some of these already and I'd rather work as an assistant or hygienist rather than treat patients in a shady, inner-city DMO office. I worked in a few of these before.

I know I can't afford to be picky at the moment but I was always worried of getting sued by DMO patients who nitpick on each dollar and cents of a procedure and start screaming at me for procedures I picked up from former associates. I've always had personal enemies and bullies but I was coming to the point where I hated some of my patients even more. Hell, I've met all the standards of care for treatment so what else do you expect from a filling where I'm making 33% of $9 and a molar endo where I'm making 33% of $150 while being under financial pressure from my boss and using substandard equipment? One gentleman, whom I remember very vividly, started yelling at me in front of all the patients and threatened to report me to Medicaid if his new complete dentures "ever fall out" and this happened BEFORE I even took his preliminary impressions. On top of that, I was always afraid that I would write in the wrong billing codes by mistakes and get audited by the FBI for Medicaid fraud. Yes, I personally knew of nearby clinics that were tagged by the FBI or NYPD and their dentists are no longer there.

What I wrote above is a mere understatement to say the very least. There's so much more that happened. I could even write a book on it in the whole ordeal.

The very final week I worked, I grew very apprehensive and nervous of my patients and started catering to them like a servant does to his masters. I privately told my bosses about my reasons for leaving and they flat out told me that I'm a loser. Most of these DMO clinics are in the worst regions of NYC ( is it any surprise they have a shortage of dentists? ) and I experienced similar issues in various offices, not just in one place. Eventually, I didn't want to be a dentist anymore and stopped looking for employment.

I don't know what to do now. I wish....I just wish.....that I never enrolled in dental school.
 
I didn't graduate too long ago and I definitely can't flaunt my age or experience. And it's been around 9 months since I last worked as a dentist. I did nothing ever since and was fully content with that....until I received a letter from my loan holder. I NEED to start working within the next two weeks to prepare for the end of my grace period and enter loan repayment, which totals $4000/month. ( my private loans have an interest of 9% ! I used up all of my deferment/forbearance limits too. I have to start making the payments no matter what)

I've been emailing and faxing my resumes in response to online and newspaper ads looking for dentists. I'm not getting any replies that lead to an employment. If I keep up this pace of mass sending resumes, I'm worried that I would easily exhaust all the sources of dental employment in the city.

Leaving NYC is not an option. I don't have a driver's license and I have family issues.

Given recent changes in the law, I can't declare bankruptcy on my loans. Also, I don't fit the criteria for receiving unemployment claims or welfare.

Am I pretty screwed? Any advice?


You're a freakin Dr. there is no reason you should be considering welfare or filing for bankruptcy. Seriously you did well on your DATs and 3 boards, I'm sure a driving test won't be the exam that finally breaks you. I don't know that area very well, maybe you can efficiently get by on public transit. Also in terms of getting sued, that's just part of the business. Just do your best and if some disgruntled patient decides to sue you than there is nothing you can do. Remember in the court of law a patient saying "he messed up my grill" isn't quite enough to get you into serious trouble, however if you do an implant on a chemo/rad patient and they get osteonecrosis than thats a different story. And if you are having trouble with remembering code numbers just make a few postits and put the codes on there with a short description. I peronally can't believe you regret going in to this profession, so many people try and fail just to reach your position. My school get 3000+ applications every year for just 80 seats.

Also have you considered dentistry in the military? They will give you around $80,000 just for signing up and they do loan repayment. Also something else you may like about that is you never have to worry about malpractice insurance or the FBI going after you for entering the wrong code.
 
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Why don't you try the ARMY Dental Corps or the Reserves? They have top notch facilities, no worries of malpractice, ok compensation, and heck, all your patients would be soldiers and not low-income medicaider's who you seem to be so afraid of.

You would have to relocate, but it seems either way you don't have many options.
 
Time to call up the dental school and see if they need any instructors for pre-clinic. At Pacific brand new, 4 day a week full timers get something like 70k/year salaries with benefits, I can't imagine the deal is much worse at NYU or Columbia.
 
I peronally can't believe you regret going in to this profession, so many people try and fail just to reach your position. My school get 3000+ applications every year for just 80 seats.

I agree with most of what you said but this is a logical fallacy. The fact that many people desire to enter a profession should have no bearing on your personal happiness and job satisfaction once you are in that profession. What if dentistry lost most of its competitiveness, should the OP then regret dentistry? Plus those 3,000 applicants never experienced working as a licensed dentist (except international students) so who's to say they won't regret the profession either?
 
Does anyone know if it'll be easier if I apply for a job as a hygienist in NYC? If so, what salary range would be appropriate for someone of my background? What is the region's market like for hygienists?
 
I'm starting to think this is a troll...

A hygien job for someone with a DDS/DMD... rofl. These all sound like questions that you should be answering yourself, not on a board for mostly pre-dental college students.

I just can't help but wonder how you thought it would turn out if you stopped working... Did that loan payment just sneak up on you?!? La dee da, I don't want to work really... wait, I have pay back all that money?! WTF, I need a job!

Troll.
 
Have your wife have eight babies so you'll get a ton of stupid interviews, a free house with babysitter, and a $1 Million porn contract from Vivid Video; just like Octomom. Seriously, there are many dentists in Cali who chose to do only hygiene after dental school so there's no reason why you can't do the same thing. The market for hygienists has dried up similarly to the market for dentists so you'll be facing the same problem.
 
Seriously, there are many dentists in Cali who chose to do only hygiene after dental school so there's no reason why you can't do the same thing. The market for hygienists has dried up similarly to the market for dentists so you'll be facing the same problem.


As a licensed GP, in my location, what salary should I reasonably negotiate for if someone interviews me for a position as a hygienist? What about for a position as a dental assistant?
 
Time to call up the dental school and see if they need any instructors for pre-clinic. At Pacific brand new, 4 day a week full timers get something like 70k/year salaries with benefits, I can't imagine the deal is much worse at NYU or Columbia.

I contacted them. No salaried positions for someone of my experience.
 
Well played sir. Fair bit of trolling until the "I wish.." and hygienist/assistant comments. Well played, indeed.
 
i hope you joking... if you're not, I'm going to make this short and sweet.

Pull you head out of your butt and do what you gotta do to make it happen. Move to where you can get employed and take whatever family problems you have with you. Get a freaking license and don't use that as an excuse. Get out of NYC as this is the most saturated place for dentists in the country. Hell, go work in alaska and live next to where you work so you don't have to get a license if you can't bring yourself to do it. If you've got the brains to get through school than you should at least have the sense to figure out the bare minimum of what you need to do and do it now! If you're looking for a cheerleader to route you on, sorry. I think it's pathetic that you seem so clueless and you shouldn't have gone to dental school nor should anyone have loaned you 300K to be so irresponsible.

Good luck, go make it happen!
😱so mean:laugh:
 
Wow. I guess no one has ever heard of doctors who have thriving practices after defaulting on their school loans. But that's not the reason I wrote. This is. Two years ago I sat next to an Indian guy from India (suprise) while on a connecting flight. I stereotyped and assumed that he was an engineer or a computer guy...just from the way he was dressed and demeanor. Nope. He was a cancer doc. Because NYC was so saturated with doctors, he flew to Las Vegas every week to work for more pay. On the weekends he flew back to NYC to spend with his family. Why the commute? NYC had better schools for his kids and his wife wanted to stay in NYC. So he sacrificed. This is rougher but it's another option that you have on the table. You can always try to do 10 hour shifts and get 3 day weekends allowing you to commute more. My gf's dad (DDS) did the commuting thing every week too between 2 states for 2 years. Dentistry is rough right now. My brother's friend has seen his business drop by 60% in this economy. Seeing a dentist is not a must for everyone right now. I wish you good luck in getting yourself out of the rut and landing a job.

Why not try the small underserved towns/cities in NY or surrounding states who will pay you less but will help pay off your loans at the same time? Plus you can feel good about yourself and have a more appreciative customer base.
 
the military option is definitely there. I personally know a new graduate that decided to do active duty in the army dental corps which pays annual $70-80k with a big bonus, something around 75,000 for 4 years service. another 80 k for 3 more years. Something along those lines, get in touch with a recruiter .
 
I'm starting to think this is a troll...

A hygien job for someone with a DDS/DMD... rofl. These all sound like questions that you should be answering yourself, not on a board for mostly pre-dental college students.

Getting a hygiene job is probably more common than you might think. I've interviewed at a couple places that offered me positions as a glorified hygienist, doing new patient exams and all of the prophies and SC/RP. Some new grads will settle for jobs like this, especially in saturated areas where jobs are harder to come by.
 
I don't know, man. I'm dying over here. I have about two more months of financial savings remaining. After that, I will be unable to pay for rent, food, utilities, and entertainment, not to mention the loan repayment bills that are scheduled for the next month or so. The worst part of all this is that I don't have health or disability insurance.

But things can still turn around for me in two months, so I will continue waking up daily with some optimism.
 
Getting a hygiene job is probably more common than you might think. I've interviewed at a couple places that offered me positions as a glorified hygienist, doing new patient exams and all of the prophies and SC/RP. Some new grads will settle for jobs like this, especially in saturated areas where jobs are harder to come by.

How much salary were you generally offered for hygiene positions?
 
I didn't graduate too long ago and I definitely can't flaunt my age or experience. And it's been around 9 months since I last worked as a dentist. I did nothing ever since and was fully content with that....until I received a letter from my loan holder. I NEED to start working within the next two weeks to prepare for the end of my grace period and enter loan repayment, which totals $4000/month. ( my private loans have an interest of 9% ! I used up all of my deferment/forbearance limits too. I have to start making the payments no matter what)

I've been emailing and faxing my resumes in response to online and newspaper ads looking for dentists. I'm not getting any replies that lead to an employment. If I keep up this pace of mass sending resumes, I'm worried that I would easily exhaust all the sources of dental employment in the city.

Leaving NYC is not an option. I don't have a driver's license and I have family issues.

Given recent changes in the law, I can't declare bankruptcy on my loans. Also, I don't fit the criteria for receiving unemployment claims or welfare.

Am I pretty screwed? Any advice?

Don't tie yourself down to NYC. Your livelihood is on the line here. There are plenty of lucrative jobs in dentistry if you're willing to look for them and fight for them. I saw an ad for a position in NYC for a dentist in a private practice. If you want me to direct you to it PM me.

You're way too passive. No work for 9 months after working so hard in dental school? And you're content? Absurd.
 
As a licensed dentist, how much salary should I negotiate for a position as a hygienist or an assistant in this area?

Would working as a hygienist or assistant hurt my prospects of searching for another position as a dentist in the future?
 
As a licensed dentist, how much salary should I negotiate for a position as a hygienist or an assistant in this area?

OK seriously mods, this guy is definitely a troll. :laugh: Dentist working as an assistant? This is really pushing the limits of trolling.
 
As a licensed dentist, how much salary should I negotiate for a position as a hygienist or an assistant in this area?

Would working as a hygienist or assistant hurt my prospects of searching for another position as a dentist in the future?
2. I would imagine so.
I mean how would you explain (in an interview) why you are working as a DA or hygienist?
How would you explain why you want to work as a DA or hygienist?
 
2. I would imagine so.
I mean how would you explain (in an interview) why you are working as a DA or hygienist?
How would you explain why you want to work as a DA or hygienist?

I'm not saying I want to work as an assistant or hygienist. I'm just saying I have no choice at the moment. There are not many places here that are actively hiring dentists. Of the few that are, I think they prefer someone with more experience.
 
I'm not saying I want to work as an assistant or hygienist. I'm just saying I have no choice at the moment. There are not many places here that are actively hiring dentists. Of the few that are, I think they prefer someone with more experience.

The key word here is you "think." You don't know until you really try.... I am in New York City now and I know of many places that will hire dentists with little training. Do they compensate well? Not necessarily, but they pay the bills and they pay more than a hygienist's salary. You need to stay afloat, and you are not in the position to be picky, get yourself out there and work in a few different offices on different days of the week and then if you don't like one of them you can talk to the other about adding time. You need to start somewhere!
 
I'm starting to think this is a troll...

A hygien job for someone with a DDS/DMD... rofl. These all sound like questions that you should be answering yourself, not on a board for mostly pre-dental college students.

I just can't help but wonder how you thought it would turn out if you stopped working... Did that loan payment just sneak up on you?!? La dee da, I don't want to work really... wait, I have pay back all that money?! WTF, I need a job!

Troll.
Boy, you are on the "Dental" board, which is for issues related to dental students and dentists, not for pre-dental students. You are welcome to read and post here, but can't claim this forum to be "for mostly pre-dental college students".

To OP: You seem to be lacking self-confidence so bad. Dude, don't hand in your balls in a jar to the patients. It's a must to be respectful, but remember no one will respect you unless you respect your own self.
 
Sorry for the double post SDN is giving me posting issues
 
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I am sorry for my previous post it was condescending and inappropriate.

I am honestly wondering if this thread is real or if you are just joking with us, and I do not mean that in a disrespectful way I am honestly wondering.

If you are honestly wondering about they pay of a hygienist I think I heard estimates of around 80k a year but I never really looked into it so that may be way off.

If you look into the military I believe you can stay in NY and they will give you a large bonus for signing up.

Good luck and I hope everything works out for you.
 
You dont have a drivers license? Tough. get one. you may be a "doctor" but right now, you're just like any other unemployed person. there are PLENTY of places you can work without a drivers license too. Mass transit can easily take you to jersey, upstate ny, connecticut, etc on a daily basis. You're really in no position to be choosy. and LOADS of people make that commute daily.

This one sounds interesting. I realize I can take mass transit to NJ, CT, or Hudson but won't I still need a car after I get off the respective train station?
 
This one sounds interesting. I realize I can take mass transit to NJ, CT, or Hudson but won't I still need a car after I get off the respective train station?

Dear god I think this is pathetic and you are pathetic. I'm sorry I just gotta say it. Can't you figure this out on your own? Can' t you just google directions and select mass transit, it'll tell you what train and bus to take to get wherever. I visited NY and Boston for interviews at nyu and harvard and I'd never been there in my life and I had no problem navigating anywhere I wanted on my own. This can't be real.
 
Given that he hasn't been seen in over five years, I doubt it.

Those posts though... Man, talk about setting post attitude to maximum entitlement...
Amen dude. This is so pathetic. I thought people from NYC were suppose to be tough haha
 
Amen dude. This is so pathetic. I thought people from NYC were suppose to be tough haha
Hardly. New Yorkers are often pretty inflexible in their love of the city and any suggestion that maybe they should change up their life to increase their opportunities. It's a very big city mentality that I hardly see outside of big city dwellers. Suburbians and people from rural areas tend to be used to the idea that jobs aren't everywhere, that compromise is something you'll probably have to do, that you might have to do a little more commuting for a little more pay, or work a less than desirable job to stay employed in your area of choice. But in the city, people are used to having everything at arm's reach due to the concentration of businesses, people, and infrastructure, and are shocked when their perfect opportunity isn't there.
 
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