I Need Help Deciding: Nova vs Touro-NV COM

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So I was planning on attending Touro-Nevada COM, but I recently was accepted to NSU-COM. I'm having trouble making a decision and could use some help.

Factors:

1. Location- Nova wins here, I'm a Florida resident

2. Cost

Touro's tuition and fees are $45,250. Nova's in-state tuition is $40,415. However, they don't clearly list their fees anywhere. The microscope/laboratory fee for M1's is $100, but also have an annual $145 "HPD student access fee" and an annual $900 "student service fee".

On the other hand, the cost of living in Henderson, NV is much lower. My rent for all next year will be $4500, whereas Nova estimates room and board at $22056. They also estimate books and supplies at $8988, versus $2136 for Touro. I think, on net, Nova will be more expensive.

3. Match list

I've looked at both, and I slightly prefer Touro's. I don't know what specific specialty I want, so what I prefer in a match list is the ability to get students into most specialties as well as competitive specialties.

Here is a link to the match lists each school provided. Touro is the colored pages, and breaks the programs down by osteopathic vs allopathic residencies, and then into specialties. Nova only breaks down by specialties.

http://imgur.com/a/xJ3C0

4. Class Size.

Touro has 135 students entering their class, based on the match list, Nova seems to have 190+.

5. Reputation

I get the feeling that Nova is more "well known," especially considering it is several decades old, whereas Touro NV was started in 2004. Does this really matter?


6. Being at Nova, I got the feeling of being at an actual university. There's a campus, students from all kinds of programs walking around, a large gym and library, etc. Touro is more of a building in an industrial complex. I don't really need a gym though, but Touro's library is somewhat lacking.

Having said that, Nova's bureaucracy is kind of frustrating. Their website is not helpful at all, and when you call for information or queries, you have to spend 15 minutes on hold before someone picks up.


Any thoughts?
 
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So I was planning on attending Touro-Nevada COM, but I recently was accepted to NSU-COM. I'm having trouble making a decision and could use some help.

Factors:

1. Location- Nova wins here, I'm a Florida resident

2. Cost

Touro's tuition and fees are $45,250. Nova's in-state tuition is $40,415. However, they don't clearly list their fees anywhere. The microscope/laboratory fee for M1's is $100, but also have an annual $145 "HPD student access fee" and an annual $900 "student service fee".

On the other hand, the cost of living in Henderson, NV is much lower. My rent for all next year will be $4500, whereas Nova estimates room and board at $22056. They also estimate books and supplies at $8988, versus $2136 for Touro. I think, on net, Nova will be more expensive.

3. Match list

I've looked at both, and I slightly prefer Touro's. I don't know what specific specialty I want, so what I prefer in a match list is the ability to get students into most specialties as well as competitive specialties.

Here is a link to the match lists each school provided. Touro is the colored pages, and breaks the programs down by osteopathic vs allopathic residencies, and then into specialties. Nova only breaks down by specialties.

http://imgur.com/a/xJ3C0

4. Class Size.

Based on these lists, Touro seems to have 110 some-odd students per class, whereas Nova has 190+.

5. Reputation

I get the feeling that Nova is more "well known," especially considering it is several decades old, whereas Touro NV was started in 2004. Does this really matter?


6. Being at Nova, I got the feeling of being at an actual university. There's a campus, students from all kinds of programs walking around, a large gym and library, etc. Touro is more of a building in an industrial complex. I don't really need a gym though, but Touro's library is somewhat lacking.

Having said that, Nova's bureaucracy is kind of frustrating. Their website is not helpful at all, and when you call for information or queries, you have to spend 15 minutes on hold before someone picks up.


Any thoughts?

I think will largely come down to preference...

Id add that #3 and #5 should be the same, for all practical matters.
 
So I was planning on attending Touro-Nevada COM, but I recently was accepted to NSU-COM. I'm having trouble making a decision and could use some help.

Factors:

1. Location- Nova wins here, I'm a Florida resident

2. Cost

Touro's tuition and fees are $45,250. Nova's in-state tuition is $40,415. However, they don't clearly list their fees anywhere. The microscope/laboratory fee for M1's is $100, but also have an annual $145 "HPD student access fee" and an annual $900 "student service fee".

On the other hand, the cost of living in Henderson, NV is much lower. My rent for all next year will be $4500, whereas Nova estimates room and board at $22056. They also estimate books and supplies at $8988, versus $2136 for Touro. I think, on net, Nova will be more expensive.


Any thoughts?


You should've stopped at the part where NSU is almost $20k more expensive per year.

Touro = $45k + $4.5k + $2.1k = $52k
NSU = $40k + $22k + $9k = $71k

Both schools are middle-tier. If you can't decide and feel that you would be happy at both, then pick the cheaper one.
 
So I was planning on attending Touro-Nevada COM, but I recently was accepted to NSU-COM. I'm having trouble making a decision and could use some help.

Factors:

1. Location- Nova wins here, I'm a Florida resident

2. Cost

Touro's tuition and fees are $45,250. Nova's in-state tuition is $40,415. However, they don't clearly list their fees anywhere. The microscope/laboratory fee for M1's is $100, but also have an annual $145 "HPD student access fee" and an annual $900 "student service fee".

On the other hand, the cost of living in Henderson, NV is much lower. My rent for all next year will be $4500, whereas Nova estimates room and board at $22056. They also estimate books and supplies at $8988, versus $2136 for Touro. I think, on net, Nova will be more expensive.

3. Match list

I've looked at both, and I slightly prefer Touro's. I don't know what specific specialty I want, so what I prefer in a match list is the ability to get students into most specialties as well as competitive specialties.

Here is a link to the match lists each school provided. Touro is the colored pages, and breaks the programs down by osteopathic vs allopathic residencies, and then into specialties. Nova only breaks down by specialties.

http://imgur.com/a/xJ3C0

4. Class Size.

Touro has 135 students entering their class, based on the match list, Nova seems to have 190+.

5. Reputation

I get the feeling that Nova is more "well known," especially considering it is several decades old, whereas Touro NV was started in 2004. Does this really matter?


6. Being at Nova, I got the feeling of being at an actual university. There's a campus, students from all kinds of programs walking around, a large gym and library, etc. Touro is more of a building in an industrial complex. I don't really need a gym though, but Touro's library is somewhat lacking.

Having said that, Nova's bureaucracy is kind of frustrating. Their website is not helpful at all, and when you call for information or queries, you have to spend 15 minutes on hold before someone picks up.


Any thoughts?

Based on your answers for #2,3, and 6 it looks like you prefer Touro over NSU.

But just FYI, schools always overestimate cost of attendance and book fees.
 
Send an email to NSU saying you are in-state and would prefer to go there, but have offers from other schools that are cheaper. I don't know what NickNaylor said to Pritzker, but I believe he sent them an email and they responded with a full tuition scholarship. He had an acceptance at Baylor (he is from TX) and Pritzker.

4/11 - Got bumped up to a full tuition scholarship at Pritzker after sending an e-mail -> MATRICULATING!

http://www.mdapplicants.com/profile.php?id=19291

Perhaps you'll have the same luck.
 
Send an email to NSU saying you are in-state and would prefer to go there, but have offers from other schools that are cheaper. I don't know what NickNaylor said to Pritzker, but I believe he sent them an email and they responded with a full tuition scholarship. He had an acceptance at Baylor (he is from TX) and Pritzker.



http://www.mdapplicants.com/profile.php?id=19291

Perhaps you'll have the same luck.

True but does OP have nearly perfect stats like NickNaylor? I doubt it.
 
True but does OP have nearly perfect stats like NickNaylor? I doubt it.

Yea, but NickNaylor didn't have IS status at the school he emailed and got a better scholarship from. I just figured it was worth a shot.
 
Yea, but NickNaylor didn't have IS status at the school he emailed and got a better scholarship from. I just figured it was worth a shot.

UChicago also has a heck of a lot more money than Touro or Nova.
 
There's absolutely no harm in asking for a school to match another schools price. That being said, if NV is literally going to cost nearly 80k less I'd be going to Touro.
 
You should've stopped at the part where NSU is almost $20k more expensive per year.

Touro = $45k + $4.5k + $2.1k = $52k
NSU = $40k + $22k + $9k = $71k

Both schools are middle-tier. If you can't decide and feel that you would be happy at both, then pick the cheaper one.
I don't think I was being clear. Nova won't be $20,000 more expensive, but I do think it will be more expensive. Tuition and fees should be about $4000 less than Touro, but I think that will be more than made up for by the higher cost of living in South Florida versus Las Vegas, as well as the higher estimates they provided for books, supplies, etc. Probably not more than $5000 more than Touro, which isn't an amount I'm going to sweat over.

What I was trying to gauge is the SDN's opinion of these two Colleges of Osteopathic Medicine- which do you guys think has the better match list (look at my link), which has a better reputation, environment, and so forth?
 
Nova is slightly more established and has a better OPTI, including the only DO Opthalmology and Derm outside of MI, PA, or OH. But both are relatively similar institutes and probably will get you into the same place if you want, however if you're thinking about Derm or Opth then it may be better to attend NSU so you can rotate at their sites and kiss ass.
 
So I've been on the phone with both schools and have a bit of updated info.

Nova's class size is 230 vs Touro's is 135. I like smaller class sizes, so this is a big credit in Touro's favor.

As for tuition and fees, Touro is $45,250, whereas Nova is $44094. However, I expect Nova's cost of living to be at least $5000 more, so as I estimated before, Nova should be slightly more expensive. If it's less than $10,000, I'm not sweatin it.

But as I said, I am a Florida resident (from the Panhandle), so it would be nice to be close(r) to home.

Decisions, decisions...
 
I think nova has a better opti (residency program). It looks like they offer most things.
 
From the match lists, both seem pretty much the same.

For me, I'd choose Touro if given the choice. I'd imagine the rotations would be pretty good since there's only one other medical school in Nevada, which is in Reno. Plus, you got vegas nearby. The smaller class size is always a positive as well.

NOVA does have a really nice campus.

You can't really go wrong with either. Just go with where you think you'll be more comfortable. Seems like you don't want to move cross country, so I'd stick with NOVA.
 
So I was planning on attending Touro-Nevada COM, but I recently was accepted to NSU-COM. I'm having trouble making a decision and could use some help.

Factors:

1. Location- Nova wins here, I'm a Florida resident

2. Cost

Touro's tuition and fees are $45,250. Nova's in-state tuition is $40,415. However, they don't clearly list their fees anywhere. The microscope/laboratory fee for M1's is $100, but also have an annual $145 "HPD student access fee" and an annual $900 "student service fee".

On the other hand, the cost of living in Henderson, NV is much lower. My rent for all next year will be $4500, whereas Nova estimates room and board at $22056. They also estimate books and supplies at $8988, versus $2136 for Touro. I think, on net, Nova will be more expensive.

3. Match list

I've looked at both, and I slightly prefer Touro's. I don't know what specific specialty I want, so what I prefer in a match list is the ability to get students into most specialties as well as competitive specialties.

Here is a link to the match lists each school provided. Touro is the colored pages, and breaks the programs down by osteopathic vs allopathic residencies, and then into specialties. Nova only breaks down by specialties.

http://imgur.com/a/xJ3C0

4. Class Size.

Touro has 135 students entering their class, based on the match list, Nova seems to have 190+.

5. Reputation

I get the feeling that Nova is more "well known," especially considering it is several decades old, whereas Touro NV was started in 2004. Does this really matter?


6. Being at Nova, I got the feeling of being at an actual university. There's a campus, students from all kinds of programs walking around, a large gym and library, etc. Touro is more of a building in an industrial complex. I don't really need a gym though, but Touro's library is somewhat lacking.

Having said that, Nova's bureaucracy is kind of frustrating. Their website is not helpful at all, and when you call for information or queries, you have to spend 15 minutes on hold before someone picks up.


Any thoughts?

Nova student weighing in here:

1) I'm still torn on my opinion of SoFl. As a native I think you know what I mean. :laugh:

2) NSU is pricey. I live off campus and don't pay anywhere near their estimates, though. I live by myself and my budget last year (which I came in under) was 16.2k.
NSU also no longer has in-state tuition. You can thank our awesome governor Rick Scott for that.

3) Don't use match lists to choose schools. All they'll tell you is where people in a certain class wanted to go. Want to match EM/Surg? Won't matter what school you go to. Kick ass on your boards and do well on rotations. A school does not have any say whatsoever in what specialty you match into (short of giving you a negative letter of rec). That is entirely on you. If you compare the match lists year to year at any school you'll see that the fraction of students matching to certain specialties varies pretty significantly, with the exception of the primary care fields.

4) Class size doesn't matter. You're all together in the same lecture hall almost no matter where you go. Our class size is 248, and nobody's exactly competing for face time with the professors. Most learn/study on their own or in small groups, and a larger class size just increases the probability that you'll find people you study well with.

5) Nobody has heard about Nova outside of south florida and the DO world. I have friends in Naples, and when I told them where I'm going to school they responded with "huh?"

6) Don't let facilities draw you in. Nova has a beautiful physical plant, but you're not going to be seeing enough of it for that to matter at all. Your life will be spent in and around the HPD building. Also, ask yourself this question-who helps pay for the upkeep of those nice facilities? That being said, it is nice to have the access to research opportunities that an undergraduate campus provides, but don't make the mistake of assuming you can't get research under your belt at just about any school you go to. Medical school is medical school is medical school. The first 2 years are nearly identical no matter where you end up.

"Nova's bureaucracy is frustrating". HAH. Get used to that, man. They're famous for it. Mostly if you keep them paid they leave you alone, but every once in a while there'll be a snafu that really riles up the class.

As for the school's strengths, I chose it because of the rotations setup. They have core rotations set for you during 3rd year which are all in and around the same base hospital. A real time/hassle/moneysaver, if you ask me. I really like the idea of not having to move all over the place every 6 weeks.
 
I'd chose Touro.
Smaller class size - easier to get more familiar with fellow students/find a group to study with

Touro is one of 2 medical schools in Nevada, and seeing as Touro's class size is bigger than University of Nevada's, Touro has great picks of rotation spots.

Touro also is a Jewish university and you have a ton of holidays- a student told me these holidays really help when exam time comes- esp. giving you more time to study.

Nevada is muuuch cheaper than NSU surrounding areas... plus NV has lots of new development housing and decent weather.

After finals just think Vegas is right around the corner!

Touro ftw.

Oh yeah, go read some old Nova threads, one student weighed in and said a few first years were on suicide watch....... awkward.
 
things you should consider..
1) Live: Where you want to live not only during medschool/residency/rest of your life?
2) Specialty: If you wrote down your top3-5 choices as a specialty which school would give you the best opportunity? exposure, networking, in-house rotations that include them? and matching rates of current students?
3) Clerkship(3rd/4th yr): where are the clerkship rotations/do you have to set up your own? advantages from different sites in terms of making connections and getting into your residency of choice? I know some schools force you to set up your own sites. Do these sites have residents there? what population/volume/pathology will you be exposed to?
4) Grading Systems: P/F? PBL? Group study? gpa for all 4 yrs or just first 2? how the school prepares you for boards/clerkship? are there procedures courses, is there board review? how much time do you get to take step1/2. Clerkship do you take standard shelf exam or school specific exams?
5) Residency: look at last 2-3yrs at the programs those students are going to? are they matching in the programs u are interested in? what is the variety in programs? Are more programs opening up that are affiliated with the school? What happens if u have to scrabble? what are the 4th yr elective schedules like? Can you do electives 3rd year?
6) Pre-clinical years: Are classes mandatory? Dress code? Classes recorded? How much class? Noteable faculty?
7) Library/gym: The quality of the study environment in the medschool library/ campus library or other places? 24hr? study rooms? food situation?
8) Hot girls: Are there hotties in other programs, your program, undergrad?

few things i wished i knew to ask about a lifetime ago when i started

here are 2 reviews from NSU that i remember seeing awhile back. Haven't looked at them if to see if they are current.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=9318520&postcount=825
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=11571845&postcount=945
 
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Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread. Acceptance so soon. I have not even applied yet. I thought there calender for interview/acceptance would be similar to MD schools.

Do you mind your timeline/stats?


Thanks for sharing.
 
i dont think m1s have started yet at most schools, most should get going next week or the following 2. I am guessing it was a late acceptance for the class of 2016
 
Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread. Acceptance so soon. I have not even applied yet. I thought there calender for interview/acceptance would be similar to MD schools.

Do you mind your timeline/stats?


Thanks for sharing.

OP applied last cycle.
 
I'll post this again, since I think it was glossed over.

NSU DOES NOT HAVE IN-STATE TUITION RATES AS OF SUMMER 2012.

look at the OOS rates. That's what you're paying.
Not the school's fault. Government's fault.
 
I'd chose Touro.
Smaller class size - easier to get more familiar with fellow students/find a group to study with

Touro is one of 2 medical schools in Nevada, and seeing as Touro's class size is bigger than University of Nevada's, Touro has great picks of rotation spots.

Touro also is a Jewish university and you have a ton of holidays- a student told me these holidays really help when exam time comes- esp. giving you more time to study.

Nevada is muuuch cheaper than NSU surrounding areas... plus NV has lots of new development housing and decent weather.

After finals just think Vegas is right around the corner!

Touro ftw.

Oh yeah, go read some old Nova threads, one student weighed in and said a few first years were on suicide watch....... awkward.

Nova does not give off for any holidays. Touro is a huge plus for that.
 
I'd chose Touro.
Smaller class size - easier to get more familiar with fellow students/find a group to study with

Touro is one of 2 medical schools in Nevada, and seeing as Touro's class size is bigger than University of Nevada's, Touro has great picks of rotation spots.

Touro also is a Jewish university and you have a ton of holidays- a student told me these holidays really help when exam time comes- esp. giving you more time to study.

Nevada is muuuch cheaper than NSU surrounding areas... plus NV has lots of new development housing and decent weather.

After finals just think Vegas is right around the corner!

Touro ftw.

Oh yeah, go read some old Nova threads, one student weighed in and said a few first years were on suicide watch....... awkward.

innnnnnteresting
 
Haha of course you get off for labor day/MLK//thanksgiving/christmas break. However, as an undergrad, we have class on good friday, every Jewish holiday, and everything else. I think they try to be super secular across the board
 
Nova does not give off for any holidays. Touro is a huge plus for that.



Lol wut. Yes it does. We also get a month of winter break during year 2, as our summer is truncated. We got labor day, memorial day, the 4th of july, and president's day as well. We also have a week long spring break.


Edit: just read you're an undergrad. The medical school has a completely different calendar than you guys.
 
Haha of course you get off for labor day/MLK//thanksgiving/christmas break. However, as an undergrad, we have class on good friday, every Jewish holiday, and everything else. I think they try to be super secular across the board

Except for Christmas, which technically is a religious holiday.
 
Lol wut. Yes it does. We also get a month of winter break during year 2, as our summer is truncated. We got labor day, memorial day, the 4th of july, and president's day as well. We also have a week long spring break.


Edit: just read you're an undergrad. The medical school has a completely different calendar than you guys.

Yeah, for the med schools, Touro looses here. I was looking at different academic calendars and I love Nova's
 
Go to an MD school.

Otherwise make a list of everything, EVERYTHING, that is important and compare which school has what. The DO degree is the same in the end therefore find a school you are comfortable attending.

Yes, the NSU campus is nice, but maybe it's akin to the hot girl with herpes for all you know. Choose wisely.
 
Go to an MD school.

Otherwise make a list of everything, EVERYTHING, that is important and compare which school has what. The DO degree is the same in the end therefore find a school you are comfortable attending.

Yes, the NSU campus is nice, but maybe it's akin to the hot girl with herpes for all you know. Choose wisely.

Ok, so between Touro and Nova, your advice is go MD?

Are you feeling ok? Im a little confused by your entire answer actually...
 
Ok, so between Touro and Nova, your advice is go MD?

Are you feeling ok? Im a little confused by your entire answer actually...

Go to an MD school.

Otherwise make a list of everything, EVERYTHING, that is important and compare which school has what. The DO degree is the same in the end therefore find a school you are comfortable attending.

Yes, the NSU campus is nice, but maybe it's akin to the hot girl with herpes for all you know. Choose wisely.
ILikeFood is the one who posted about suicidal students at NSU if I remember correctly.

Reading through the lines, what they're trying to say is STAY so far away from NOVA.
 
No, I have headache and Step II is in 5 days.

I've been at NSU for awhile now and it's a love hate relationship.
 
ILikeFood is the one who posted about suicidal students at NSU if I remember correctly.

Reading through the lines, what they're trying to say is STAY so far away from NOVA.

Correct. That was the class below me, the current M3's. The admin loaded their M1 schedule with completely worthless bull**** and they went a little crazy.

I hear the current M2s had a better schedule the year afterward.

And need I mention the year above me, the recently graduated class. They had a 20% failure rate on one of the Steps (Step 2?). I heard it was an anomaly from more senior residents who had gone to NSU, but it apparently led to an emergency meeting of the admins where the 1st question was "WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME WORK FOR MY PAYCHECK? De-derp-de-derp-e-doo"
 
If the tuition difference is $10k or greater, go to touro.
 
NSU's classes also all require attendance. What about Touro?
 
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NSU's classes also all require attendance. What about Touro?

That is a reason not to go. It's much more efficient to listen to lectures online with scribe notes already written for you.
 
NSU's classes also all require attendance. What about Touro?

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That is a reason not to go. It's much more efficient to listen to lectures online with scribe notes already written for you.

Or it could be a reason to go if you're the kind of person who needs to attend class but isn't motivated to do so unless it is required.
 
NSU's classes also all require attendance. What about Touro?

ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaaha. :laugh:

no they don't. They say that to scare impressionable M1s into coming to class. If you start failing your classes they'll call you on it, but if you don't learn well by going to class you're doing yourself a disservice by not taking the time to study more effectively. I stopped going back in september sometime.
 
ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaaha. :laugh:

no they don't. They say that to scare impressionable M1s into coming to class. If you start failing your classes they'll call you on it, but if you don't learn well by going to class you're doing yourself a disservice by not taking the time to study more effectively. I stopped going back in september sometime.

I thought you guys needed to attend at least 70% of the classes or something.
 
I thought you guys needed to attend at least 70% of the classes or something.

nope. not even close. I'd say on a really good day about 2/3 of the class is in lecture.

This drops like a shot during M2 year, when most of the lectures are videocast.
 
nope. not even close. I'd say on a really good day about 2/3 of the class is in lecture.

This drops like a shot during M2 year, when most of the lectures are videocast.

Ok, NSU sounds significantly better to me now lol.
 
Go to an MD school.

Otherwise make a list of everything, EVERYTHING, that is important and compare which school has what. The DO degree is the same in the end therefore find a school you are comfortable attending.

Yes, the NSU campus is nice, but maybe it's akin to the hot girl with herpes for all you know. Choose wisely.

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ahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaaha. :laugh:

no they don't. They say that to scare impressionable M1s into coming to class. If you start failing your classes they'll call you on it, but if you don't learn well by going to class you're doing yourself a disservice by not taking the time to study more effectively. I stopped going back in september sometime.

nope. not even close. I'd say on a really good day about 2/3 of the class is in lecture.

This drops like a shot during M2 year, when most of the lectures are videocast.

Ok, NSU sounds significantly better to me now lol.


Same. +1 for recorded lectures.
 
OP, have you made a decision?
 
I love the location of NSU. I don't think I'd like to attend school in a shopping mall (i.e. NV).

This doesn't matter if you don't go to class.

Also, a lot of people on this board (I'm assuming the californians) are totally gung-ho about Western, and that's in a former shopping mall as well.
 
Have to admit humid mugginess is a lot less pleasant than dry desert heat.
 
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