I need help w/ extraction

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Hi guys. I have done couple of extractions and I need help because my last one didn't go well.

My very first case was simple because the pt had severe bone loss. I didn't really have to elevate much.

2nd patient had no bone loss, no mobility. I tried using straight elevator but it didn't move.

I think my biggest problem is that I still don't know how to use the straight elevator properly and how to make teeth move.

1. I think straight elevator is thicker than the space between tooth and the bone. How can I possibly put this between them?

2. Where do I put the elevator? is it mesial/facial/lingual/distal ?

3. Do I put the straight elevator perpendicular to the tooth (meaning the it's going to be horizontal), parellel to the tooth (meaning vertical) or angled (meaning 5~85 degree)

4. what kind of motion do I need to use to luxate teeth?


Thank you.
 
I always put the elevator as parallel to the tooth as possible, and apply force in an apical direction to elevate the tooth. Make sure the tooth is somewhat mobile before putting forceps to the tooth. Ideally, when you get comfortable with your skills, you should be able to elevate majority of teeth out of the socket without really having to use forceps. Also, keep in mind, that there are going to be some teeth that even if you are using the instruments appropriately, you may not get much elevation because the tooth may be ankylosed or you may need to remove buccal bone.
 
For single rooted teeth you use a rotating motion, and for multi-rooted teeth, you use a rocking, buccal/lingual motion.
 
The more teeth that one takes out, the more that you'll find yourself reaching for the handpiece much sooner and surgically removing a tooth. In the end, it's quicker and less stressful for you, and more comfortable for your patient that way.

If I can't get that tooth REALLY mooving with an elevator in less than 30 seconds, I'm going to reach for my surgical handpiece and a surgical bur 99% of the time
 
The more teeth that one takes out, the more that you'll find yourself reaching for the handpiece much sooner and surgically removing a tooth. In the end, it's quicker and less stressful for you, and more comfortable for your patient that way.

If I can't get that tooth REALLY mooving with an elevator in less than 30 seconds, I'm going to reach for my surgical handpiece and a surgical bur 99% of the time

Ditto, I have found the same thing. I just use a long thin carbide and trough around the tooth then luxate it either with an elevator or just forceps. Most of my extractions involve a surgical approach anyways since they are teeth at are either completely broken at the gum line, hollowed out to a shell by severe caries, or failed endo teeth. It was definitely stressful at first since in my program the oral surgery rotation never taught us any surgical techniques, just straight luxate/pull, but I have gotten pretty good at it.

One thing I have found is that good anesthetic techniques go a long way towards setting up a successful extraction experience. Having a pt who is not completely numb will make it exponentially harder for you to do your job.
 
The more teeth that one takes out, the more that you'll find yourself reaching for the handpiece much sooner and surgically removing a tooth. In the end, it's quicker and less stressful for you, and more comfortable for your patient that way.

If I can't get that tooth REALLY mooving with an elevator in less than 30 seconds, I'm going to reach for my surgical handpiece and a surgical bur 99% of the time

how can you get the tooth moving w/ an elevator in less than 30 sec 😱

Now that I come to think of it, I think I always cut connective tissue between teeth and gum instead of PDL. Maybe I should try and see if I can actually cut PDL. I think I have been stop cutting things as soon as I hit the bone.

Is PDL cutter thin enough to cut PDL between teeth and the bone? I am asking this because I had been stopping as soon as I hit the bone.
And if I cut PDL really well, can straight elevator fit there well?

If I fail to cut PDL w/ PDL cutter, is it even possible to fit the straight elevator?


Ditto, I have found the same thing. I just use a long thin carbide and trough around the tooth then luxate it either with an elevator or just forceps. Most of my extractions involve a surgical approach anyways since they are teeth at are either completely broken at the gum line, hollowed out to a shell by severe caries, or failed endo teeth. It was definitely stressful at first since in my program the oral surgery rotation never taught us any surgical techniques, just straight luxate/pull, but I have gotten pretty good at it.

One thing I have found is that good anesthetic techniques go a long way towards setting up a successful extraction experience. Having a pt who is not completely numb will make it exponentially harder for you to do your job.


is there a guide to how to trough tooth? And if we can trough the tooth, why do some people trough interseptal bones or buccal plate instead?
Yesterday, I sectioned #30 buccolingually, I was able to easily remove distal part of the tooth but not the mesial. Mesial part had no crown and I couldn't fit my elevator. My dentist troughed the interseptal bone and I just couldn't understand why.
And if I have another #30 sectioning case like yesterday, do you think I should just put the elevator at the sectioned area and twist so I can move both pieces together instead of taking distal one out and can't take advantage of distal piece fulcrum?
 
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how can you get the tooth moving w/ an elevator in less than 30 sec 😱

Now that I come to think of it, I think I always cut connective tissue between teeth and gum instead of PDL. Maybe I should try and see if I can actually cut PDL. I think I have been stop cutting things as soon as I hit the bone.

Is PDL cutter thin enough to cut PDL between teeth and the bone? I am asking this because I had been stopping as soon as I hit the bone.
And if I cut PDL really well, can straight elevator fit there well?

If I fail to cut PDL w/ PDL cutter, is it even possible to fit the straight elevator?

It's really pretty simple. If with regular motions with my elevator, I don't see the tooth starting to move noticeably, quickly, then in my mind atleast either from the root anatomy or sometimes just the presence of a decent amount of good quality bone around that tooth, then prolonged use of the elevator *might* loosen up the tooth eventually, but is more likely to cause more post op damage and discomfort for my patient. I've seen it (and caused it 😱 ) many, many, many times over the years. So now, via having seen what I can do with those instruments in my own hands in my own operatories, I learned over the years that sometimes, the surgical approach is far easier than the simple approach. Also, I will say that just from having looked at the radiographs prior to starting the extraction, I usually have a pretty decent idea about when I'll be going surgical vs. simple in my extraction technique. Lets be honest, if you've got a molar with little radiographic bone loss around it, it's almost always going to come out easier and quicker when it's sectioned as opposed to when it's whole.





is there a guide to how to trough tooth? And if we can trough the tooth, why do some people trough interseptal bones or buccal plate instead?
Yesterday, I sectioned #30 buccolingually, I was able to easily remove distal part of the tooth but not the mesial. Mesial part had no crown and I couldn't fit my elevator. My dentist troughed the interseptal bone and I just couldn't understand why.
And if I have another #30 sectioning case like yesterday, do you think I should just put the elevator at the sectioned area and twist so I can move both pieces together instead of taking distal one out and can't take advantage of distal piece fulcrum?

Troughing and sectioning, that's also something where you need to have a decent idea of both the natural anatomy (alveolar bone, nerve, sinus (if applicable), etc, etc) and also the tooth anatomy (concavities, number of roots, etc, etc). After you've got a grasp on the anatomy, then it comes down to what do you need to do to allow you to get a good purchase point, ON SOLID TOOTH STRUCTURE, with which to use your elevator in an effective way. Sometimes that will mean a big buccal trough, sometimes that will mean troughing out the interseptal bone, sometimes you'll end up troughing literally 360 degrees around the root. You never really know what your surgical access will end up looking like until all of the tooth is out of the patients alveolus and resting on your instrument tray 😀

I will also say that in my own practice, nowadays i'm referring out more and more extractions, not because I don't feel that I can't get the tooth out, but because after I asses the clinical situation (radiographs, clinical mobility, quantity of both solid tooth structure and existing restorations in areas of the tooth that i'm likely to use as purchase points for elevation, etc, and sometimes even the disposition of the patient where I feel that sedation might be in the patients best comfort interest) I make the assesment that it's better for both my bottomline and the patients comfort to refer out. I've done my share of "tough" extractions over the years, so i've got nothing to prove to myself and my extraction skills :naughty::laugh:
 
is there a guide to how to trough tooth? And if we can trough the tooth, why do some people trough interseptal bones or buccal plate instead?
Yesterday, I sectioned #30 buccolingually, I was able to easily remove distal part of the tooth but not the mesial. Mesial part had no crown and I couldn't fit my elevator. My dentist troughed the interseptal bone and I just couldn't understand why.
And if I have another #30 sectioning case like yesterday, do you think I should just put the elevator at the sectioned area and twist so I can move both pieces together instead of taking distal one out and can't take advantage of distal piece fulcrum?

In addition to what Jeff said, I will also add that I am a proponent of sectioning molars before elevating/extracting them. A lot of molars have root morphologies that make them very difficulty with conventional luxation, and sectioning them makes it much easier. For example, a maxillar molar with convergent roots will be hell to pull out with normal means, but if you section them once between the P and the B roots, and then once more betweent he MB and DB roots, it makes for 3 single rooted tooth much easier to extract; I then slide the elevator into the socket and expand the whole socket, and then lift them out one by one.

As for troughing, I generally do a 360 degree one like cutting something out of a block of ice, but I do my best to preserve the lingual/buccal plates. I do a lot of bone grafting back into the socket (unless there is infection down there) covered by CollaPlugs to preserve the ridge either for an implant or for denture support. It adds to the production and really does help with the pt's future options.

Also get good with East/West and root tip picks. No matter how good you are, there will always be instances where roots fracture during extraction and you really need to get down there.

Jeff also has another point about his referring increasing #'s of extractions out, and I see a lot of veteran dentists do that. For me, extractions right now is a good way for me to learn, but in the end it is bloody, pt might get pain from a myriad of things, and they always fear the thought of the procedure, and not to mention insurance rates for extractions can be downright poor. Some insurances pay me $99 for a wizzy extraction, and there is very little motivation to do so, especially in pts with dense bone. I might start dialing down my own extractions in time as I become more established and focus more on high-end procedures like cosmetics and implants.
 
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The more teeth that one takes out, the more that you'll find yourself reaching for the handpiece much sooner and surgically removing a tooth. In the end, it's quicker and less stressful for you, and more comfortable for your patient that way.

If I can't get that tooth REALLY mooving with an elevator in less than 30 seconds, I'm going to reach for my surgical handpiece and a surgical bur 99% of the time

Listen to this and nothing else
 
DrJeff's dead-on with his advice. I'd also advise that if you can't get a good grip with the forceps either to remove bone until you can.

Also, always look close at a radiograph. Check for any signs of root curvature, especially in the apical 1/3. If you ever see one that you don't like the look of, refer away. Most of my problems with difficult extractions all boiled down to poor case choice,
 
Is it necessary to use the straight elevator and struggle to put it between root and bone?
If the whole purpose of using the straight elevator is to push a tooth in one direction until bone gets weaker, why can't we just use the forcep, grab a tooth and push to one direction and hold for about a min? wouldn't it be much easier since we don't have to struggle to get a good purchase point?
 
Is it necessary to use the straight elevator and struggle to put it between root and bone?
If the whole purpose of using the straight elevator is to push a tooth in one direction until bone gets weaker, why can't we just use the forcep, grab a tooth and push to one direction and hold for about a min? wouldn't it be much easier since we don't have to struggle to get a good purchase point?

You are thinking too much. Just do your best with radiographs, try various approaches, and you will know what we are talking about. Ultimately, the only way to get better is to do it.
 
Is it necessary to use the straight elevator and struggle to put it between root and bone?
If the whole purpose of using the straight elevator is to push a tooth in one direction until bone gets weaker, why can't we just use the forcep, grab a tooth and push to one direction and hold for about a min? wouldn't it be much easier since we don't have to struggle to get a good purchase point?

You can get a much better lever action with the elevator than by the method you are describing. In theory you should be able to lift nearly any tooth out with just the elevator, if used correctly (not ankylosed or other crazy cases).

Especially with a root tip where you can't get the forceps over the clinical portion of the crown.

I personally don't like using the forceps until I have pretty good tooth movement from the elevator. You shouldn't be breaking crowns with your elevator but you could definitely crack them off with your forceps. Always better to have a mobile tooth first.
 
Refer. Do a crown instead and trade money for stress.

Also might ought to try reading a book called Contemporary OMS.
 
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