I need some serious help determining what to do with my future. (AACOMAS Changes)

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Unfortunately pod school school nor pharmacy school is a career I'm interested. It was pretty much physician or bust. If I can't figure out how to get into an SMP with a guaranteed linkage, then I might as well jump ship to do IT work which I have a knack for but didn't want to make a career out of.

Podiatrists are physicians and about the closest thing to "medicine" one can get without actually going to MD/DO school. If you are unwilling to entertain the idea, SMP is the way to go.

You would rather do IT work than be a foot and ankle surgeon?
 
Podiatrists are physicians and about the closest thing to "medicine" one can get without actually going to MD/DO school. If you are unwilling to entertain the idea, SMP is the way to go.

You would rather do IT work than be a foot and ankle surgeon?
Agreed. They take the same medical school classes and even rotate on various services. The only difference is you're basically choosing your specialty to be ankle and foot surgeon before going to medical school.
 
I guess OP is not hungry enough. I have invest thousands as well. Good luck, though.
 
Podiatrists are physicians and about the closest thing to "medicine" one can get without actually going to MD/DO school. If you are unwilling to entertain the idea, SMP is the way to go.

You would rather do IT work than be a foot and ankle surgeon?

Agreed. They take the same medical school classes and even rotate on various services. The only difference is you're basically choosing your specialty to be ankle and foot surgeon before going to medical school.

I understand but I have no interest in podiatry at all. I'm definitely willing to do a postbacc with linkage at this point, so I think my best bet is to rush into getting my LoRs from some professors and submitting SMP apps. I'll start hitting them up this week and see what I can do. The linkage will be key so they can ignore my GPA and MCAT from undergrad assuming I do well in their classes (which I'm confident I can do now). I'm still open to suggestions as well and I appreciate all of your input!!! <3
 
I understand but I have no interest in podiatry at all. I'm definitely willing to do a postbacc with linkage at this point, so I think my best bet is to rush into getting my LoRs from some professors and submitting SMP apps. I'll start hitting them up this week and see what I can do. The linkage will be key so they can ignore my GPA and MCAT from undergrad assuming I do well in their classes (which I'm confident I can do now). I'm still open to suggestions as well and I appreciate all of your input!!! <3

Alrighty, good luck. Ace the postbacc.
 
Unfortunately pod school school nor pharmacy school is a career I'm interested. It was pretty much physician or bust. If I can't figure out how to get into an SMP with a guaranteed linkage, then I might as well jump ship to do IT work which I have a knack for but didn't want to make a career out of.

I actually 100% understand your perspective about podiatry. I shadowed 3 podiatrist thinking that it may be an option and in both cases they mentioned resentment for not trying a bit harder and going to medical school. Maybe I just happened to have met two of those kinds of podiatrist. It is med school or bust for me too.
 
I understand but I have no interest in podiatry at all. I'm definitely willing to do a postbacc with linkage at this point, so I think my best bet is to rush into getting my LoRs from some professors and submitting SMP apps. I'll start hitting them up this week and see what I can do. The linkage will be key so they can ignore my GPA and MCAT from undergrad assuming I do well in their classes (which I'm confident I can do now). I'm still open to suggestions as well and I appreciate all of your input!!! <3
I don't blame you. If someone told me the only thing I could do as a physician is to be a pathologist, I'd rather go flip burgers at McDonalds.

I hate to suggest this, but if the SMP/Linkage route fails, NP might be your next best career movie to get close to medicine.
 
I don't blame you. If someone told me the only thing I could do as a physician is to be a pathologist, I'd rather go flip burgers at McDonalds.

I hate to suggest this, but if the SMP/Linkage route fails, NP might be your next best career movie to get close to medicine.

OP made it pretty clear it's Med school or nothing. The unwillingness to consider other options is kind of troubling, as it's always a good idea to have a plan B.

Pod school was my plan B. Optometry might also be a good plan B, I heard that they do grade replacement as some schools.
 
OP made it pretty clear it's Med school or nothing. The unwillingness to consider other options is kind of troubling, as it's always a good idea to have a plan B.

Pod school was my plan B. Optometry might also be a good plan B, I heard that they do grade replacement as some schools.
Optometry is a bum deal. Podiatry is actually a great career if you can get past the whole feet thing, not legally being a physician (in most cases), and the low pay.
 
It's competitive to get in, and there's never a guarantee. However, I think that there's a huge lesson that can be learned from all of this, and I think that you'll have a lot of respect for yourself if you don't give up. Obviously, something in you wanted this bad enough to go back to school again and again to retake classes to repair your GPA. In my humble opinion, it's either a few more thousands dollars down the tube to get to medical school, or you're stuck doing something for a while that you're not completely happy in and then you have no one to blame but yourself. Obviously, being a physician is not a perfect career, either. There's lots of downsides to it and many will say that other careers in medicine are a better route to go through, anyway. But if there's even a sliver of a chance that you'll want to return to medical school later in life anyway, and if you think not going to medical school is a regret you'll have, then just deal with it now instead of spinning in circles. Try your hardest for an SMP.
If that doesn't work, build your own informal SMP. Another year of a 4.0 will help you, trust me. There HAVE been severe underdogs who have made it in. I'm personally not in a favorable situation due to this change, but I'm going to get in someday, or die trying. Have respect for yourself throughout the process- we believe in you!
 
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OP made it pretty clear it's Med school or nothing. The unwillingness to consider other options is kind of troubling, as it's always a good idea to have a plan B.

Pod school was my plan B. Optometry might also be a good plan B, I heard that they do grade replacement as some schools.
Yeah, but I also understand why it is so with OP. Imagine working hard for 2-3 years to do this replacement and then they pull the rug from under you. I think OP is already the type of person to want to fight against adversity, so he's at that "MD/DO or bust" stage. It takes time to process and start looking at alternatives. My plan B was also pod, but I also didn't make it in my first cycle and it made me want DO even more.
 
build your own informs SMP. Another year of a 4.0 will help you, trust me. There HAVE been severe underdogs who have made it in. I'm personally screwed as well, but I'm going to get in someday, or die trying. Have respect for yourself throughout the process- we believe in you!
Probably splitting hairs here, but no such thing as an "informal SMP." The purpose of the SMP is to take med school level classes, which cannot be replicated by upper division undergrad or even regular grad school.
 
Probably splitting hairs here, but no such thing as an "informal SMP." The purpose of the SMP is to take med school level classes, which cannot be replicated by upper division undergrad or even regular grad school.

Agreed. SMPs like Georgetown's Experimental Medical Studies (GEMS) program or Drexel's Pathway to Medical School (DPMS) have students in the program taking medical school level classes. In the case of GEMS, if a GEMS graduate gets into Georgetown University School of Medicine, some of their first year classes are wavied.
 
https://www.aacom.org/docs/default-source/cib/2017_post-bacc-programs.pdf?sfvrsn=4

What's the deal with so many of these saying they have guaranteed interviews instead of acceptances? All of those look like red flags for someone like me where they could suddenly pull the plug and say "hey sorry your GPA is really low now due to the AACOMAS changes but good luck elsewhere!"

Greedy schools don't want to commit less they can find another way to squeeze out a few dollars out of you.
 
The masters programs that guarantee admissions into their medical school programs if you meet a certain GPA benchmark are BCOM, VCOM, LUCOM, and NOVA.
 
The masters programs that guarantee admissions into their medical school programs if you meet a certain GPA benchmark are BCOM, VCOM, LUCOM, and NOVA.

Thanks. Touro NY does if you're in the top 35 students (which I'd fight to the death for), but I don't know if I meet their minority mission there.
 
Also California Consortium Post-Baccs. Min GPA 2.8-2.9. The schools are UC-Davis, UCSF, UC-Riverside, and UCLA.

https://postbac.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/index.cfm?curpage=consortium

I know there are more post-baccs and SMPs out there who traditionally accept lower GPAs and those who are aware of the changes this cycle and may be open to accepting applicants with lower scores.

Stay positive SDN.
 
Credit to @Dr. In Formation. For those who are interested in this program, apply asap.

Also California Consortium Post-Baccs. Min GPA 2.8-2.9. The schools are UC-Davis, UCSF, UC-Riverside, and UCLA.

https://postbac.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/index.cfm?curpage=consortium

I know there are more post-baccs and SMPs out there who traditionally accept lower GPAs and those who are aware of the changes this cycle and may be open to accepting applicants with lower scores.

Stay positive SDN.

Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure I need to apply to a DO post bacc that has guaranteed linkage to a med school if I want to secure getting into a school the next year. I'd hate to do well in an SMP just to have them turn around and say "sorry but your GPA is still too low try again later." I'd literally kill myself at that point.
 
Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure I need to apply to a DO post bacc that has guaranteed linkage to a med school if I want to secure getting into a school the next year. I'd hate to do well in an SMP just to have them turn around and say "sorry but your GPA is still too low try again later." I'd literally kill myself at that point.
I've read multiple times that Wayne State can look at just your last 32 credits or such for GPA calculations. Perhaps someone more informed than myself can expand on that and name any other schools that may do something similar?
 
Dawg. I'm sincerely sorry to hear about this. I've seen you from time to time and you are a fantastic dude/ dudette who I KNOW would make a fantastic physician.

If I were you I would apply tonight. With a 3.1 and 28 you have hope. With a 2.4 and 28 you do not. This is sadly the reality.

If this doesn't work or you don't pursue it next I would apply next year as soon as you can and hope schools look at your last 60 credits or so. Even though aacomas is bending people like you over I doubt each COM will change how they do things. As in, I do think most will do grade replacement in house. Whether this is done pre or post interview invite is up for debate. That being said, if all else fails @AlbinoHawk DO has arguably the best idea here: apply to pod schools. It's a sweet gig and you can be a podiatric clinician or surgeon. I would HIGHLY look into it.

GL. Keep you head up. PM whenever: I would love to help if I can.

DO schools won't do grade replacement in house. They don't have the staff to do grade replacement for 5,000 applications. But I could be wrong. What do adcoms think about this? Will some DO schools still do grade replacement?
 
Look at what I quoted, dawg. Scroll down to where it says his mcat score. I forgive you.
Just played myself, I wish I understood computers

I like the optimism but I think more work is a better course than applying this cycle
 
You really think some schools that report their average mcat and gpa will suddenly be ok with a massive gpa drop? No. As someone who is entrenched in the suck, let me tell ya, the #1 thing admissions cares about is appearance.

PNWU said they will not do grade replacement in house. I suspect this will hold true for most DO schools. If you don't believe me, give them a call yourself.
 
DO schools won't do grade replacement in house. They don't have the staff to do grade replacement for 5,000 applications. But I could be wrong. What do adcoms think about this? Will some DO schools still do grade replacement?
Best people can hope for is some newer school saying they'll only consider the last 60-90 units, but the idea that individual schools will do grade replacement is naive. Like you said, there's not enough staff to do it on paper and to on top be answering every phone call and e-mail of "will this grade replace?"
 
Agreed. They take the same medical school classes and even rotate on various services. The only difference is you're basically choosing your specialty to be ankle and foot surgeon before going to medical school.
This post actually convinced me to consider Podiatry. I mean, bash me if you will, but I am healing people's walking ability 😀
I'm thinking about applying to Podiatry school.
 
@ChiTownBHawks What leads you to believe that programs will have difficulty in selecting 100 students that have status quo GPA/MCAT scores on first-time basis?

I'm more confident in the ability of students to inflate their numbers and to flood applications without having strong extracurriculars and experience. If schools want to keep numerical metric, they can still maintain it. They just won't pick the most well rounded candidates. If anything, I expect this class to be the youngest and direct transitioners from 4-year institutions.
 
I think appearance takes a bigger hit if you're the one DO school that blatantly presents a grade inflated GPA due to in-house calculations. You know that AACOMAS thing? Yeah we just do our own thing. Numerical metrics can only be glorified under the pretense that everyone is using the same measuring stick.

Edit: They never are. But to attribute to your point, it is often times sufficient to give off the appearance of egalitarianism without necessarily being fair or balanced.
 
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If you look at the stats, there are a few thousand DO applicants every year with GPAs 3.6-4.0 who do not matriculate (I assume some go to MD school instead, but most are surely rejected for one reason or another). I saw some people post above that they think the DO schools would do grade replacement in house so that the school's stats won't drop, but the applicant pool should be plenty sufficient to "trim the fat" as it were, cutting out those who would rely heavily on grade replacement, and still have plenty of applicants with decent stats. I wouldn't expect a large drop in the DO matriculant stats from this. Besides, the few schools who might still do grade replacement are gonna be flooded by applications, so I wouldn't look forward to relying on that.

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This post actually convinced me to consider Podiatry. I mean, bash me if you will, but I am healing people's walking ability 😀
I'm thinking about applying to Podiatry school.

If you are interested in podiatry to become a foot and ankle surgeon, go spent some time on the pod forums. More like diabetes/weight management and nail clipping. Please don't mistaken my post for talking down on the profession, just need to adjust your expectations!


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If you are interested in podiatry to become a foot and ankle surgeon, go spent some time on the pod forums. More like diabetes/weight management and nail clipping. Please don't mistaken my post for talking down on the profession, just need to adjust your expectations!


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There's a post on the pod forum now where a prepod asked if anyone goes to nursing homes to clip nails to supplement their income and got back a resounding no. To sum it up, that's basically good money for someone who's just starting out a private practice to keep the doors open, but established docs steer clear of it. Though for the general podiatrist it's certainly nothing close to all surgery all the time. It's a very diverse field and diabetes/weight management and nail clipping is far from an adequate description, though to be fair foot and ankle surgeon is also a misleading description since while all podiatrists are surgeons only a minority fill most of their time with surgical patients.

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There's a post on the pod forum now where a prepod asked if anyone goes to nursing homes to clip nails to supplement their income and got back a resounding no. To sum it up, that's basically good money for someone who's just starting out a private practice to keep the doors open, but established docs steer clear of it. Though for the general podiatrist it's certainly nothing close to all surgery all the time. It's a very diverse field and diabetes/weight management and nail clipping is far from an adequate description, though to be fair foot and ankle surgeon is also a misleading description since while all podiatrists are surgeons only a minority fill most of their time with surgical patients.

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Fair enough assessment. From my experience shadowing 3 general podiatrist (was heavily considering this route for a while) there was an awful lot of time spent doing said things. They were all in private practice at varying stages of their careers. A very common theme amongst them all was that nonsurgical work paid a lot more then their surgical cases when factoring the amount of time and resources put in.


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Fair enough assessment. From my experience shadowing 3 general podiatrist (was heavily considering this route for a while) there was an awful lot of time spent doing said things. They were all in private practice at varying stages of their careers. A very common theme amongst them all was that nonsurgical work paid a lot more then their surgical cases when factoring the amount of time and resources put in.


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It also depends I suppose on the state. In states like GA podiatrists are limited to the foot and in states like FL they can practice up to the hip. Most states are somewhere inbetween. So especially somewhere like GA, I would think that you might find proportionally more nail clipping pods since their scope is smaller. In podiatry school they make you an expert up to the hip and a generalist of the rest of the body, what you actually end up doing after podiatry school depends in part on where you work.

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If you are interested in podiatry to become a foot and ankle surgeon, go spent some time on the pod forums. More like diabetes/weight management and nail clipping. Please don't mistaken my post for talking down on the profession, just need to adjust your expectations!


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I've seen Youtube videos of Podiatrist in action. Yeah, they are more like pus remover and nail clippers; but I think of them as Foot Dentist. If your tooth aches, you would visit a Dentist.
How would you walk with ingrown toe and sore foot? I want to be there for someone! Plus, a lot of athletes would need a Podiatrist.
 
I've seen Youtube videos of Podiatrist in action. Yeah, they are more like pus remover and nail clippers; but I think of them as Foot Dentist. If your tooth aches, you would visit a Dentist.
How would you walk with ingrown toe and sore foot? I want to be there for someone! Plus, a lot of athletes would need a Podiatrist.
Honestly, there is a lot to the job. You can do ultrasound/radiology, orthopedics for patients, dermatologic issues, etc. I shadowed a podiatrist before med school and was really impressed. Guy had a great private practice in SF with students rotating and most patients loved him.
 
You will probably need to retake the MCAT next cycle as well because I think the old one expires for most school, only good for 3 years I think.
 
Hi friends,

I came here years ago with a terrible GPA with years of classes behind it asking how I could become a physician. As per the usual advice, I was told to retake the classes I did poorly in so that I could apply to DO schools. I'll be finishing my 7th year of undergrad this year to raise my GPA from what I believe the lowest was a 1.9 to over a 3.1 with grade replacement. With the changes, my GPA has plummeted to a 2.4. I took the MCAT and got a 28 (7/12/9) and was hoping to apply this summer since I finally had a GPA that wouldn't be screened out. Now I honestly don't think I have hope anywhere and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. Taking additional courses won't put the slighest dent in my GPA and no SMPs will look at me. This is how it was *supposed* to look when I applied:

GPA: 3.1
MCAT: 28 (7/12/9)
ECs: 500+ Hours volunteering at local hospital, 50 hours shadowing DO pediatrician

I was far from the realm of picky and would have applied to all of the newest schools, but now I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. I feel completely deceived and I've wasted years of my life (not to mention tens of thousands of dollars) trying to build myself up for nothing. I'm enrolled in my school to finish up a second degree in health sciences (these classes count as part of sGPA and would have brought me up to the 3.1, at 3.03 currently). Should I even start the next semester? I wasn't even concerned about paying this money back since I'd be a physician, but now the debt is starting to look extremely real to me and I could very quickly drop everything and save myself the thousands of dollars of taking this semester.

Thank you all for your help and I feel for anyone that is going through something similar.
The SMP at the University of South Florida does grade replacement for admissions. It's through the Morsani College of Medicine. But there is no matriculation agreement.
 
PNWU said they will not do grade replacement in house. I suspect this will hold true for most DO schools. If you don't believe me, give them a call yourself.
BCOM and ATSU will not either.
 
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