I really dont get it!!! 6 interviews and rejected

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OP mentioned he had a gap year to study the MCAT, did he have any other sorts of activities/jobs that might show he/she is at least working and staying busy?

I think having an easy gap year is a killer on the application.
 
My personal take, from reading this thread: There are some really good posts filled with information and OP seems to have either ignored them or glossed over and instead only replies with "Why can't I apply now and get in" (paraphrased). This makes me think he is not completely aware of his surroundings or might not have the self awareness that the ADCOMs are looking for.

Either way, OP, settle down and retake your MCAT. You are a year removed from undergrad? 22 years old? A year will not kill you. When you're applying to school at 32, a year matters. At 22 a year is nothing.
Who said I'm 22? I'm actually older.
Ive been a few years out of college already and took a few years off between taking my mcat & applying.

It seems here that applying early is a huge deal and that if your application isnt in early there's no point of applying? That's the impression I'm getting, even though i know plenty that got in and were complete September.

OP mentioned he had a gap year to study the MCAT, did he have any other sorts of activities/jobs that might show he/she is at least working and staying busy?

I think having an easy gap year is a killer on the application.

Yes i always kept busy I had research, jobs and volunteering in between.
 
Who said I'm 22? I'm actually older.
Ive been a few years out of college already and took a few years off between taking my mcat & applying.

It seems here that applying early is a huge deal and that if your application isnt in early there's no point of applying? That's the impression I'm getting, even though i know plenty that got in and were complete September.



Yes i always kept busy I had research, jobs and volunteering in between.

It sounds like you've pretty much made up your mind to apply this cycle, so good luck.
 
Do not take MCAT unless you're fully ready, and even if it means applying next year, apply with the best possible packet. You're fine this cycle for DO programs, but it's getting really late for MD.

I sort of have a similar question. I am applying this year. My primaries were submitted by the end of June and I am still waiting on some secondaries even though my AACOMAS application has been verified and released. I applied to 9 DO schools and 3 MD schools and I am thinking about adding 2 more MD schools (because I would love to get in state tuition)... my MCATs are not great though... 27... 9 PS, 8 VR, 10 BS... I was scoring 26-31 on my AAMC practice tests... VR is the hardest section for me... I was getting 11s in the BS and PS section on my practices...

someone advised me not to retake as it would look bad to retake and get the same score and or lower... their is an MD school that I am real interested in and the admissions rep told me to retake the MCAT... so I was planning on studying and retaking in September, which is I know is late... but they haven't sent out their secondary yet and will only begin interviewing in mid-September...

To be honest though... I haven't studied much since my MCAT in late April... so I am a little nervous and I only have 6 weeks left to study... plus a full-time job and staying on top of secondaries...

I am a 27 y/o female so I would rather go to medical school ASAP and I fell in love with PCOM and I know my stats should be okay for that school. I also have a 3.78 GPA and I am a URM if that matters.

So my questions are should I retake in September? I heard retaking the MCAT too many times will hurt you. I took it once before in 2006 and did not do well at all.

Do they offer the MCAT in November for next cycle? I was contemplating if my scores are not improving by September that I could retake in November for next year just in case and get my MCAT done for good. 🙂

Also, what qualify as amazing EC's? I had what I consider to be a great leadership role in undergrad where I founded and developed a very successful Biological Honor Society on my undergrad campus. I also love health care education and working with underserved populations so I have several experiences doing that. I also currently work at the NIH as a clinical research coordinator for the Alcohol institute but I have no journal publications only posters and abstracts... I should have one that is in the works soon though... I have shadowed both MDs and DOs... I sorta stopped doing volunteering to study for the MCAT as studying for the MCAT and work essentially took up most of my time.... I really want to get back into it though as I miss doing health care outreach, etc.

Also, are there any recommended resources to help students prepare for the interview? I am real nervous...

Thank you for all your help! 🙂
 
How you feel about an interview means nothing. I give tours so ive seen people walk saying "I rocked that interview" and when I talk to the student interviewer later, they tell me they completely bombed the interview. I felt horrible after my interview t my dream school and they thought i did very well. So you need to take the time and figure out what you are doing wrong. If you don't fix anything, this cycle will end the same as last cycle.
 
I sort of have a similar question. I am applying this year. My primaries were submitted by the end of June and I am still waiting on some secondaries even though my AACOMAS application has been verified and released. I applied to 9 DO schools and 3 MD schools and I am thinking about adding 2 more MD schools (because I would love to get in state tuition)... my MCATs are not great though... 27... 9 PS, 8 VR, 10 BS... I was scoring 26-31 on my AAMC practice tests... VR is the hardest section for me... I was getting 11s in the BS and PS section on my practices...

someone advised me not to retake as it would look bad to retake and get the same score and or lower... their is an MD school that I am real interested in and the admissions rep told me to retake the MCAT... so I was planning on studying and retaking in September, which is I know is late... but they haven't sent out their secondary yet and will only begin interviewing in mid-September...

To be honest though... I haven't studied much since my MCAT in late April... so I am a little nervous and I only have 6 weeks left to study... plus a full-time job and staying on top of secondaries...

I am a 27 y/o female so I would rather go to medical school ASAP and I fell in love with PCOM and I know my stats should be okay for that school. I also have a 3.78 GPA and I am a URM if that matters.

So my questions are should I retake in September? I heard retaking the MCAT too many times will hurt you. I took it once before in 2006 and did not do well at all.

Do they offer the MCAT in November for next cycle? I was contemplating if my scores are not improving by September that I could retake in November for next year just in case and get my MCAT done for good. 🙂

Also, what qualify as amazing EC's? I had what I consider to be a great leadership role in undergrad where I founded and developed a very successful Biological Honor Society on my undergrad campus. I also love health care education and working with underserved populations so I have several experiences doing that. I also currently work at the NIH as a clinical research coordinator for the Alcohol institute but I have no journal publications only posters and abstracts... I should have one that is in the works soon though... I have shadowed both MDs and DOs... I sorta stopped doing volunteering to study for the MCAT as studying for the MCAT and work essentially took up most of my time.... I really want to get back into it though as I miss doing health care outreach, etc.

Also, are there any recommended resources to help students prepare for the interview? I am real nervous...

Thank you for all your help! 🙂

Hey Tinylilron if memory serves me correctly you are Puerto Rican like myself...I think with a 27 and that high of a GPA you're gonna have good luck this cycle. Your ECs are not slacking and you seem to have passion. Have you indicated to your schools that you're retaking the MCAT?
 
Hey Tinylilron if memory serves me correctly you are Puerto Rican like myself...I think with a 27 and that high of a GPA you're gonna have good luck this cycle. Your ECs are not slacking and you seem to have passion. Have you indicated to your schools that you're retaking the MCAT?

I have not officially signed up yet... so I haven;t indicated that I will. I wanted to make sure that I will score higher. I am really only starting to study again as of now. :-/ I need to improve otherwise I don't think I will retake it as I don't want to retake the MCAT too many times without serious improvement.

I am Puerto Rican. I was born in Connecticut though and English is my first language. Both my parents are Puerto Rican and moved to Connecticut after they got married. My passion for underserved is actually because I am Puerto Rican. Since high school I was volunteering in my mother's non-profit which helps socio-economically disadvantaged in Hartford, CT get job skills many of them were Puerto Rican, Hispanic, or African American. In college, I learned about the health care inequities and this inspired me to be involved in health care in any way that I could to in order to help these populations.
 
I have not officially signed up yet... so I haven;t indicated that I will. I wanted to make sure that I will score higher. I am really only starting to study again as of now. :-/ I need to improve otherwise I don't think I will retake it as I don't want to retake the MCAT too many times without serious improvement.

I am Puerto Rican. I was born in Connecticut though and English is my first language. Both my parents are Puerto Rican and moved to Connecticut after they got married. My passion for underserved is actually because I am Puerto Rican. Since high school I was volunteering in my mother's non-profit which helps socio-economically disadvantaged in Hartford, CT get job skills many of them were Puerto Rican, Hispanic, or African American. In college, I learned about the health care inequities and this inspired me to be involved in health care in any way that I could to in order to help these populations.

👍 You and I are very similar. Although I've been working on improving my Spanish over the last few years...English was my first language but I'm trying to make my Spanish more professional (kinda hood Spanglish right now lol).

A 27 hurts a little bit, but at this point you'll be super late in the cycle if you retake. If you can pull like a 35+ then it'll still be cool (I know a guy who submitted his primary literally the last day and managed to get into Harvard cause they are non-rolling).

https://www.aamc.org/download/321512/data/2012factstable25-1.pdf

According to the grids at your GPA and MCAT score you have a 77% chance of getting into an MD school. Think about it.
 
Who said I'm 22? I'm actually older.
Ive been a few years out of college already and took a few years off between taking my mcat & applying.

It seems here that applying early is a huge deal and that if your application isnt in early there's no point of applying? That's the impression I'm getting, even though i know plenty that got in and were complete September.



Yes i always kept busy I had research, jobs and volunteering in between.

Sorry OP, but I agree with Back 5's assessment at this point. The first part of your sentence is so heavily emphasized to premeds that it is highly likely you gave off a vibe of ignorance as to the process in your interviews, which would fit the criteria you are looking for in an explanation:

1. You didn't pick up on it in interviews
2. They did, and it matters a great deal to them

As for the second part of your claim, it merely confirms that you still don't really "get" the process. While I can sympathize with your position (I'm a 27-year-old M2), it doesn't exonerate you from understanding the reality of the process, much as it didn't excuse me. The reality is, you are a reapplicant with an as-yet-uncertain handicap that kept you from an acceptance out of 6 interviews, and if you apply this year with an improved MCAT (which is actually assuming a lot all on its own) you will only be addressing 1 of the 3 most likely explanations (MCAT, timing of submission, interview performance) for your failure. THAT is why people are so cynical about your prospects this cycle - not only are you going to be later than last time, but you still seem in the dark about really essential elements of the process, and could easily shoot yourself in the foot again in a fresh batch of interviews.

Also, schools emphasize recent changes in reapplicant applications - have you done anything BIG that would strike them as a game-changer? Furthermore, many schools start assigning a hefty disadvantage to three-time applicants - some even block them altogether. You can't just keep applying over and over til you strike gold - you really ought to make each attempt a 100% effort, because you do run out of second chances.

The proper thing to have done this year was to begin preparing to reapply in May at the latest. I know the MCAT sucks donkey balls, but you should be well aware that it is not an undertaking to be crammed into your schedule with little warning. You should have been submitting your primary with a retake completed (not necessarily scored yet) by the 4th of July at the latest, which would allow you to complete secondaries by the end of July, which would give you a fighting chance at all interview slots (which start in August). Even this timeline is softer than the one most people here would give you, but it's a bare minimum to address the timeliness aspects.

As for the MCAT itself. You claim to have done practice tests and studied over the year, so at least you have that going for you - hopefully you are on track for a significant improvement. Know, however, that people tend to score a little higher on practices than on the real thing, so if your practices are coming up only around 30 or 31, this does not bode well for improvement. =( You really need to get your practices closer to 33 consistently to feel confident of at least a 30 on the MCAT, which is the minimum you should aim for to justify the retake.

So, all that being said - if you aren't scoring into the mid 30s on your practice tests, your plan is very poor indeed. You will likely wind up applying with little new to show for it, and have an excellent chance of not catching anything this cycle either. Worst of all, you will now be a 3x applicant at any schools you applied to both cycles, which is a red flag all its own. If you ARE scoring that high, this cycle is still off to a worse start than it should have been, but at least you have some prospect of improvement, considering the fact you say you had other new things this year too.

So I guess if you really, REALLY can't tolerate the thought of waiting another year, and you're willing to accept the risk of blowing a 2nd formal application attempt, go ahead and submit AMCAS ASAP to a school you have no interest in, then add other desired schools immediately if you get back a score in the 30s. Prewrite secondaries for schools you're interested in (we put up essay prompts on this site), and turn secondaries around within 24 hours of receiving them. Finally, look for ANY opportunities to practice interviews with people familiar with med school interviewing in particular, like your premed office. Maybe an adviser or fellow student can pick up on something you're doing that is hurting you.

Hopefully things work out for you, this cycle or next. But regardless of what happens, I really hope you genuinely understand how you misplayed your hand.


Good luck, whatever you decide to do.
 
I was planning applying now and taking August 9, i really don't want to wait another year as already took off last year to study for my mcat.

Can i apply now assuming i break a 30?
I would submit now to only 1 school and if my mcat comes back favorable I'll add the rest of the schools and also have my secondaries ready as ill do them while waiting to get my score back.

don't do the same thing again. You already applied late once, and now schools won't get your scores until September so you won't be getting interviews until later. If I were you I'd wait, see what you score first before you even think about reapplying. Take the year to improve your ECs through some type of paid position so you can eat. Retake a third time if you have to. You basically don't know what you are going to score and your app will already be late again. Don't waste your money, unless money is no object. You are still young and have plenty of time. Take it from somebody who applied in their mid-late 20s, don't rush the process. Take the time to get it done right. Also, take the time to just enjoy life and mature, grow, and develop as a person.
 
don't do the same thing again. You already applied late once, and now schools won't get your scores until September so you won't be getting interviews until later. If I were you I'd wait, see what you score first before you even think about reapplying. Take the year to improve your ECs through some type of paid position so you can eat. Retake a third time if you have to. You basically don't know what you are going to score and your app will already be late again. Don't waste your money, unless money is no object. You are still young and have plenty of time. Take it from somebody who applied in their mid-late 20s, don't rush the process. Take the time to get it done right. Also, take the time to just enjoy life and mature, grow, and develop as a person.

OP here:
Right now im registered for the 9th. My score will be coming back september 10th, if my score is favorable ( ill make sure to check 1st with you guys by posting here🙂)how can I submit then it will be too late, as it takes a month for verification?

Do you mean Submit now to one school thats not my first choice and if my score works out well submit to others schools in september?
 
OP here:
Right now im registered for the 9th. My score will be coming back september 10th, if my score is favorable ( ill make sure to check 1st with you guys by posting here🙂)how can I submit then it will be too late, as it takes a month for verification?

Do you mean Submit now to one school thats not my first choice and if my score works out well submit to others schools in september?

I mean don't apply this cycle, why would you apply that late again??
 
Sorry OP, but I agree with Back 5's assessment at this point. The first part of your sentence is so heavily emphasized to premeds that it is highly likely you gave off a vibe of ignorance as to the process in your interviews, which would fit the criteria you are looking for in an explanation:

1. You didn't pick up on it in interviews
2. They did, and it matters a great deal to them

.


What is emphasized to take off in between applying?

I mean don't apply this cycle, why would you apply that late again??

I thought my main culprit was my lowish mcat, I didn't think I was late when I was getting all these interviews.
Do you mean even though I was getting interviews there was less spots available? But at one school I interviewed about the 1st week of interviews as they dont start till october
 
People who say that the importance of interview is over-stated on SDN are simply not looking at the facts. AAMC has done studies on this exact issue and they've shown interview is the #1 factor that determines your acceptance. You may not like it, but that's reality.
 
Im registered for August 9th mcat right now.
So bottom line should I submit to one school now , anything to lose?
 
People who say that the importance of interview is over-stated on SDN are simply not looking at the facts. AAMC has done studies on this exact issue and they've shown interview is the #1 factor that determines your acceptance. You may not like it, but that's reality.

Can you please post your source for this?
 
Not sure where it is online but it's posted in the MSAR. Try google
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I try clicking on "Google," I think it's broken!
 
Take the year. It's obviously not what you want to hear but it will be worse to rush through a second MCAT and get an equal/lower score. Even if you do better it may still be too late. Take some time and try to think about the positives of another year off, like more money saved, better MCAT, maybe some vacation time. I'm starting my third year off when I only intended to take one. S**t happens but I think I'm going to be grateful in the end. If for nothing else, grateful for my savings account.
 
sorry op, but i agree with back 5's assessment at this point. The first part of your sentence is so heavily emphasized to premeds that it is highly likely you gave off a vibe of ignorance as to the process in your interviews, which would fit the criteria you are looking for in an explanation:

1. You didn't pick up on it in interviews
2. They did, and it matters a great deal to them

as for the second part of your claim, it merely confirms that you still don't really "get" the process. While i can sympathize with your position (i'm a 27-year-old m2), it doesn't exonerate you from understanding the reality of the process, much as it didn't excuse me. The reality is, you are a reapplicant with an as-yet-uncertain handicap that kept you from an acceptance out of 6 interviews, and if you apply this year with an improved mcat (which is actually assuming a lot all on its own) you will only be addressing 1 of the 3 most likely explanations (mcat, timing of submission, interview performance) for your failure. That is why people are so cynical about your prospects this cycle - not only are you going to be later than last time, but you still seem in the dark about really essential elements of the process, and could easily shoot yourself in the foot again in a fresh batch of interviews.

Also, schools emphasize recent changes in reapplicant applications - have you done anything big that would strike them as a game-changer? Furthermore, many schools start assigning a hefty disadvantage to three-time applicants - some even block them altogether. You can't just keep applying over and over til you strike gold - you really ought to make each attempt a 100% effort, because you do run out of second chances.

The proper thing to have done this year was to begin preparing to reapply in may at the latest. I know the mcat sucks donkey balls, but you should be well aware that it is not an undertaking to be crammed into your schedule with little warning. You should have been submitting your primary with a retake completed (not necessarily scored yet) by the 4th of july at the latest, which would allow you to complete secondaries by the end of july, which would give you a fighting chance at all interview slots (which start in august). Even this timeline is softer than the one most people here would give you, but it's a bare minimum to address the timeliness aspects.

As for the mcat itself. You claim to have done practice tests and studied over the year, so at least you have that going for you - hopefully you are on track for a significant improvement. Know, however, that people tend to score a little higher on practices than on the real thing, so if your practices are coming up only around 30 or 31, this does not bode well for improvement. =( you really need to get your practices closer to 33 consistently to feel confident of at least a 30 on the mcat, which is the minimum you should aim for to justify the retake.

So, all that being said - if you aren't scoring into the mid 30s on your practice tests, your plan is very poor indeed. You will likely wind up applying with little new to show for it, and have an excellent chance of not catching anything this cycle either. Worst of all, you will now be a 3x applicant at any schools you applied to both cycles, which is a red flag all its own. If you are scoring that high, this cycle is still off to a worse start than it should have been, but at least you have some prospect of improvement, considering the fact you say you had other new things this year too.

So i guess if you really, really can't tolerate the thought of waiting another year, and you're willing to accept the risk of blowing a 2nd formal application attempt, go ahead and submit amcas asap to a school you have no interest in, then add other desired schools immediately if you get back a score in the 30s. Prewrite secondaries for schools you're interested in (we put up essay prompts on this site), and turn secondaries around within 24 hours of receiving them. Finally, look for any opportunities to practice interviews with people familiar with med school interviewing in particular, like your premed office. Maybe an adviser or fellow student can pick up on something you're doing that is hurting you.

Hopefully things work out for you, this cycle or next. But regardless of what happens, i really hope you genuinely understand how you misplayed your hand.


Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

+5
 
Not sure where it is online but it's posted in the MSAR. Try google
That source you're referring is a study done by AMCAS to promote "you don't need top scores to get into a medical school". It's done by asking admissions faculty to rank the factors of admission without any kind of admissions statistics to back it up. I wouldn't consider it a credible source.
 
Lol. I think OP made up his mind and will continue applying this year. Telling the OP to apply next year is like watching paint dry on the walls.
 
Take the year. It's obviously not what you want to hear but it will be worse to rush through a second MCAT and get an equal/lower score. Even if you do better it may still be too late. Take some time and try to think about the positives of another year off, like more money saved, better MCAT, maybe some vacation time. I'm starting my third year off when I only intended to take one. S**t happens but I think I'm going to be grateful in the end. If for nothing else, grateful for my savings account.

Medical schools dont frown at this? I've been out of college 3 years already!





Lol. I think OP made up his mind and will continue applying this year. Telling the OP to apply next year is like watching paint dry on the walls.

That's not true, I'm just trying to understand both sides.

Ovbiously becoming a dr 2 years later is better than never becoming one.
 
That's not true, I'm just trying to understand both sides.

Ovbiously becoming a dr 2 years later is better than never becoming one.

The only plan you should consider at this point for applying this cycle is:

1. Apply to throwaway school to get verified ASAP (still relatively late).
2. Prewrite secondaries. Look for interview practice.
3. Receive score in September. If it's less than 31 (IMO), do not apply this cycle. If it's at least 31, upload school list to AMCAS.
4. Turn secondaries around as quickly as humanly possible. Same business day if you can, but otherwise by SOB the next day. No excuses.
5. Pray.

Versus waiting a year, the risks you accept by applying this cycle:

1. If you are inadequately prepared for the MCAT, you may wind up digging that hole deeper by bombing. Do not take the test if your average practice is not at least 32. Void the test if you feel badly at the end of it.
2. Any school you submit AMCAS to will log it as an application attempt. You will be no faster than last cycle, when timing was part of your problem. You are automatically walking in at a disadvantage compared to your ideal application. In practice, two failed attempts to get into a school often closes the door for good there, unless you cure cancer before the next time around. Think VERY carefully before applying to any place that you applied to last year.
3. Since I am now advising selectivity in your school list, make SURE you still like the schools on your list enough to go to any one of them if offered a spot. Given your already rough application history, it is safe to say the following. If you are offered a spot and decline it in favor of reapplying, you will never get into an American school. The resulting blackballing will be fatal to future applications.

Note that the three above risks have nothing to do with money, and all concern success in FUTURE cycles, not this one. Your best bet to eventually get into medical school is to wait a year. Period.
 
Medical schools dont frown at this? I've been out of college 3 years already.

Not so long as you are productive and obviously working to improve your application. Sitting on your butt is bad.

Good luck with whatever you decide!
 
Medical schools dont frown at this? I've been out of college 3 years already!







That's not true, I'm just trying to understand both sides.

Ovbiously becoming a dr 2 years later is better than never becoming one.

In your case, the only solution for success is applying next cycle. Your application will be complete in september and thus you are late
 
In your case, the only solution for success is applying next cycle. Your application will be complete in september and thus you are late

Is September really so bad? Aren't there many applying September?

Most deadlines are December
 
That source you're referring is a study done by AMCAS to promote "you don't need top scores to get into a medical school". It's done by asking admissions faculty to rank the factors of admission without any kind of admissions statistics to back it up. I wouldn't consider it a credible source.

It's actually a survey done by the AAMC.

Like I said-- some people are going to deny it all they want bc they're too proud to admit that maybe they aren't as presentable as they imagine themselves to be.
 
Admissions office doesn't care about the score, as long as it's within the school's limits; the AdCom does. Admissions officers are concerned with getting bodies into seats.

The AdCom doesn't alas, schedule the interviews.

Is this how it works at most schools? The decision to offer an interview and the decision to offer an acceptance are made by different groups of people?
 
Is this how it works at most schools? The decision to offer an interview and the decision to offer an acceptance are made by different groups of people?
Screeners may or may not be a party to the interview and subsequent selection process. It varies by school.
 
Even with that mcat score( 28) ?

Yes. As I mentioned previously, your MCAT score is good for DO schools and slightly below average for the lower tier MD schools (i.e. like Drexel, Rush etc.). Apply in June during the first week with a better application and a stronger MCAT retake, and you're golden.
 
are we even allowed to read our letters of recommendation btw guys?
 
The only plan you should consider at this point for applying this cycle is:

1. Apply to throwaway school to get verified ASAP (still relatively late).
2. Prewrite secondaries. Look for interview practice.
3. Receive score in September. If it's less than 31 (IMO), do not apply this cycle. If it's at least 31, upload school list to AMCAS.
4. Turn secondaries around as quickly as humanly possible. Same business day if you can, but otherwise by SOB the next day. No excuses.
5. Pray.

Versus waiting a year, the risks you accept by applying this cycle:

1. If you are inadequately prepared for the MCAT, you may wind up digging that hole deeper by bombing. Do not take the test if your average practice is not at least 32. Void the test if you feel badly at the end of it.
2. Any school you submit AMCAS to will log it as an application attempt. You will be no faster than last cycle, when timing was part of your problem. You are automatically walking in at a disadvantage compared to your ideal application. In practice, two failed attempts to get into a school often closes the door for good there, unless you cure cancer before the next time around. Think VERY carefully before applying to any place that you applied to last year.
3. Since I am now advising selectivity in your school list, make SURE you still like the schools on your list enough to go to any one of them if offered a spot. Given your already rough application history, it is safe to say the following. If you are offered a spot and decline it in favor of reapplying, you will never get into an American school. The resulting blackballing will be fatal to future applications.

Note that the three above risks have nothing to do with money, and all concern success in FUTURE cycles, not this one. Your best bet to eventually get into medical school is to wait a year. Period.

Pattycake25, thank you very much for puting in all this effort to help me. Your posts are really helpful and sounds like a well thought out plan.

Also this is where I was confused before, I think now I have more clarification. Basically I never realized there is sort of a qouta to the number of times you can apply. I always thought that if I'm applying anyways a year from now , why not also apply this cycle as I have nothing to lose ( of course besides fees), meaning 2 shots are better than one ( meaning more chance). For example playing the lottery twice is a better chance, I know theres more than luck in the process but just an example.

So basically I'm in a bad position now , why make it worse...
It seems I only have one more chance to apply, why not do it right

Also according to your plan that I apply to a throwaway school . What If at the end I dont decide to go forwayd and apply this year , for the reasons above. Won't I be considered a re-applicant twice for all schools or for medical school? Doesn't submitting the amcas count as an application year? For example if a school asks me on their secondary, have you applied before to medical school if so when? I'm pretty sure I saw that question.
 
It's actually a survey done by the AAMC.

A survey isn't exactly what I'd call a "study" in this context. The problem is that the survey respondents are going to want to give the impression that everyone has a shot. It's a lot of lip service to applicants and the general public. Not to mention the response biases (who responds and who doesn't) inherent in this kind of analysis.

Like I said-- some people are going to deny it all they want bc they're too proud to admit that maybe they aren't as presentable as they imagine themselves to be.

Then there are even more people that desperately want to believe it because they have low scores. But I imagine most are just curious to know the truth.
 
A survey isn't exactly what I'd call a "study" in this context. The problem is that the survey respondents are going to want to give the impression that everyone has a shot. It's a lot of lip service to applicants and the general public. Not to mention the response biases (who responds and who doesn't) inherent in this kind of analysis.



Then there are even more people that desperately want to believe it because they have low scores. But I imagine most are just curious to know the truth.
Here's the "study": https://www.aamc.org/download/261106/data

I might be more convinced of the point they're trying to make if they included even a modest amount of student applicant data to back it up.
 
Pattycake25, thank you very much for puting in all this effort to help me. Your posts are really helpful and sounds like a well thought out plan.

Also this is where I was confused before, I think now I have more clarification. Basically I never realized there is sort of a qouta to the number of times you can apply. I always thought that if I'm applying anyways a year from now , why not also apply this cycle as I have nothing to lose ( of course besides fees), meaning 2 shots are better than one ( meaning more chance). For example playing the lottery twice is a better chance, I know theres more than luck in the process but just an example.

So basically I'm in a bad position now , why make it worse...
It seems I only have one more chance to apply, why not do it right

Also according to your plan that I apply to a throwaway school . What If at the end I dont decide to go forwayd and apply this year , for the reasons above. Won't I be considered a re-applicant twice for all schools or for medical school? Doesn't submitting the amcas count as an application year? For example if a school asks me on their secondary, have you applied before to medical school if so when? I'm pretty sure I saw that question.

I was in the dark about this myself, when I made my first attempt to apply (which was quite half-assed). I'm glad we were able to help you out on this! But yes, you seem to get it now - having applied in the past raises the bar for someone, and having applied more than once in the past raises it astronomically, so it's definitely not advisable to apply until you can put forth a 100% effort. And the timing of this application means this won't be a 100% cycle for you.

As for the number of cycles you've participated in being recorded on the AMCAS, I'm actually not sure about this point. My belief was that schools more or less only care how many times you've applied to their particular school, so long as you're keeping busy enough that you don't have gaps in time on your application. I would defer to others on this point.

Glad to have helped, good luck! =)
 
My belief was that schools more or less only care how many times you've applied to their particular school, so long as you're keeping busy enough that you don't have gaps in time on your application. I would defer to others on this point.

You are only required to report schools to which you have previously applied, however many schools ask about the results of previous cycles whether you applied to their school or not. Haphazard application cycles are strongly discouraged.
 
As for the number of cycles you've participated in being recorded on the AMCAS, I'm actually not sure about this point. My belief was that schools more or less only care how many times you've applied to their particular school, so long as you're keeping busy enough that you don't have gaps in time on your application. I would defer to others on this point.

Schools do know how many times you submitted AMCAS?

You are only required to report schools to which you have previously applied, however many schools ask about the results of previous cycles whether you applied to their school or not. Haphazard application cycles are strongly discouraged.

I'm looking at a seconday it asks if I applied before to schools, and "IF YES FOR WHAT ENTERING CLASS"


So this plan doesn't work? ( of applying now to a throw-away school and waiting to get back my score)
Otherwise I could wait till the 9th after the test and if my impressions are good ( assuming i don't void) I could submit then.


Another thought is if I don't complete the secondary to the throwaway school, won't that be considered not applying?
 
In practice, two failed attempts to get into a school often closes the door for good there, unless you cure cancer before the next time around.

Where do you get this information from? My impression is that this is a false idea perpetuated by SDN. In practice there are only a few schools that do not consider >1 time reapplicants.

While this is just an opinion, it's that of someone who has experience on admissions and has written a book about it:

http://studentdoctor.net/2011/06/what-will-you-do-if-you-don’t-get-into-medical-school/

If you don't feel like reading the article, here is the relevant quote,

"However, admissions committees weigh the number of times an applicant has applied to medical school quite heavily in their assessment. To a certain extent their view is “the more the merrier.” In other words, you can definitively demonstrate your level of commitment to becoming a physician by continuing to reapply to medical school. This is all the more true if you make your application stronger each cycle. You’re demonstrating commitment and steady improvement. Those are two key characteristics admissions committees are looking for."

While he doesn't give a set cut off, I like to think that he would have explicitly stated so if it existed.

This is just my 2 cents.
 
Where do you get this information from? My impression is that this is a false idea perpetuated by SDN. In practice there are only a few schools that do not consider >1 time reapplicants.

While this is just an opinion, it's that of someone who has experience on admissions and has written a book about it:

http://studentdoctor.net/2011/06/what-will-you-do-if-you-don’t-get-into-medical-school/

If you don't feel like reading the article, here is the relevant quote,

"However, admissions committees weigh the number of times an applicant has applied to medical school quite heavily in their assessment. To a certain extent their view is "the more the merrier." In other words, you can definitively demonstrate your level of commitment to becoming a physician by continuing to reapply to medical school. This is all the more true if you make your application stronger each cycle. You're demonstrating commitment and steady improvement. Those are two key characteristics admissions committees are looking for."

While he doesn't give a set cut off, I like to think that he would have explicitly stated so if it existed.

This is just my 2 cents.

I don't think this is true; many schools will cap the number of times you apply ( U Minn, for example, only permits you to apply three times). Reapplicants get scrutinized more thoroughly; if the app is the same as the previous cycle, it will be thrown out.

Only at one interview was my reapplication brought up, and trust me, my interviewer basically marked me down for rejection afterward ( the tone of the interview became increasingly negative) and I had improved since the first cycle.

So no, 'more the merrier' idea is just not correct.
 
I don't think this is true; many schools will cap the number of times you apply ( U Minn, for example, only permits you to apply three times). Reapplicants get scrutinized more thoroughly; if the app is the same as the previous cycle, it will be thrown out.

Only at one interview was my reapplication brought up, and trust me, my interviewer basically marked me down for rejection afterward ( the tone of the interview became increasingly negative) and I had improved since the first cycle.

So no, 'more the merrier' idea is just not correct.

I agree that the more the merrier idea is a little misguided, but I think the point is that blatantly saying after one reapplication it is all doom and gloom is nonsense, so long as you are working hard, addressing weaknesses and improving your application each time.
 
After reading through this thread either: 1) OP is trolling and successfully getting people worked up and stressed out, or 2) OP is a stubborn a**hole who won't listen to what people are saying and is just procrastinating. The OP keeps asking the same questions and making the same points, therefore delaying making a decision by continuing to ask the repeated questions and ignoring everyone's advice. Op is just causing more problems for him/herself.
 
This.

Every re-application is a type of screening. The more times you apply, the more eyes have seen and rejected the application.

So would you say re-applicants are at a significant disadvantage (i,e just short of the stage of "abandon hope")
 
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