I want to be the top student in my med class.

[Horowitz]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

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[Gut Shot]

A little early for trolling, isn't it?

 

[biggiesmallsiz]

its never too early. look at me...6 violations and still going strong 🙄

 

[DocFox]

👎

 

[Tiger26]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

Prepare to be hated🙂

 

[analgold09]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

Don't forget the lube.

 

[notdeadyet]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

Oh, the humbling that will happen in the coming years...

 

[Tiger26]

Don't forget the lube.

Well put--I'd say that it took me until about halfway through 2nd year to realize that school no longer provided any. It sure hurt when I found out though (Heme-onc path test w/dude whose images are in robbins)

 

[45408]

Probably not gonna happen.

 

[la petite mort]

I really don't get why people get off trolling on SDN. It's so stupid.

 

[SQUmedic]

You will be on the top.. Im sure

 

[njbmd]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

I don't think that anyone goes into medical school with the idea of being the last person in their class so you will have plenty of classmates with the same goal as yourself. It's good to have a goal but a better one would be to shoot for mastery of your coursework and mastery of the things that you need to be a good practicing physician. Medical school is a very short period compared to the length of time that you will be actually practicing.

Your patients won't care if you are first or last in your class but rather they want you to know what you can do to help them. In general, that person who ends up last in their class turns out to be an excellent practicing physician which is why one goes to medical school in the first place and being at the top of your class doesn't guarantee that you will be an excellent practicing physician (just that you did well on medical school tests).

Good luck in your quest!

 

[coldweatherblue]

forget that, I'm gonna be the top med student out of the entire class of 2012. regardless of school... 😎

 

[coffeebythelake]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

Sorry, not available for you.

 

[Law2Doc]

forget that, I'm gonna be the top med student out of the entire class of 2012. regardless of school... 😎

The only way I see that happening is if they try to build a 15,000 person human pyramid. Then perhaps you can be at the top. Or maybe if you climb Everest, then technically you could be the top med student on the planet for however long you are up there. Your intimate knowledge of frostbite and gangrene should get you that derm residency after that.

 

[LifetimeDoc]

I'm gonna blow you all away after bringing my averages scores up by scoring a 257% on my next exam! Muhahaha 😀

 

[Gut Shot]

its never too early. look at me...6 violations and still going strong 🙄

I mean early in the day. Congrats on your violations, though. I only have 1. Guess I have to pick up the pace.

 

[J ROD]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

I guess every class needs a "gunner".

They are fun to laugh at!!

 

[189362]

dude, how about you just be the best you can be....err that sounds cliche and dumb.

 

[geogil]

The real secret to getting ahead is to hover around whenever a teacher is talking to a group of students. I don't just mean being part of the group, but really push the boundaries of personal space. Get in there! Ask some questions to show your knowledge! Your classmates will respect you and will be more inclined to help you once they know how committed you are to your education. They might respect you so much that you don't have to worry about those nasty social obligations, giving you more time to study and establish your intellectual ascendancy. Best of luck, and may the best man win!

 

[Doublecortin]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

ouch 😱, way to show your team spirit

 

[Doublecortin]

The only way I see that happening is if they try to build a 15,000 person human pyramid. Then perhaps you can be at the top. Or maybe if you climb Everest, then technically you could be the top med student on the planet for however long you are up there. Your intimate knowledge of frostbite and gangrene should get you that derm residency after that.

It seems like that what it takes to match derm these days

 

[coldweatherblue]

Or maybe if you climb Everest, then technically you could be the top med student on the planet for however long you are up there. Your intimate knowledge of frostbite and gangrene should get you that derm residency after that.

hah, summer of MS1, Katmandu here I come! anyone have $90 grand I can borrow? is it ethical to use student loans for climbing expeditions? 😕

 

[Doublecortin]

hah, summer of MS1, Katmandu here I come! anyone have $90 grand I can borrow? is it ethical to use student loans for climbing expeditions? 😕

if that's what it takes to be the TOP med student in the world, then i say go for it👍

 

[SomeDoc]

Yeap, that's right. 👍

Hey, I say go for it and give it your all.

I wanted to be at the top of my class when I started too- but there are too many variables that depend on luck- BUT that doesnt mean you should stop trying. Cheesy quote: shoot for the moon and if you miss, you'll land in the stars. You've got to work hard, but you've also got to have good fortune on your side. Case in point was studying for one of my classes- there's a certain style that works, but I had to figure it out- and by the time I did- it was too late for me to get a HP. Lots of medical school is knowing how to study for specific classes and distributing time efficiently and differently for different classes in order to maximize performance. For example, I was on the verge of an HP for one class, and was a little above average in another; so I put more of my time into the "cusp" grade class, and got a HP, and did fine on the other course. In the end my overall class rank will be the same, but I'll have that HP for one of those courses.

 

[CardiacIntensivist]

Make sure you tell all your classmates that. Also, add in the fact that you think you're better than them. Pretty soon, you'll be the top of your class AND the most popular. Chicks dig a$$holes 😉.
👍👍👍

 

[Horowitz]

Make sure you tell all your classmates that. Also, add in the fact that you think you're better than them. Pretty soon, you'll be the top of your class AND the most popular. Chicks dig a$$holes 😉.
👍👍👍

I've just done that. Let's see...😀

 

[Horowitz]

forget that, I'm gonna be the top med student out of the entire class of 2012. regardless of school... 😎

That's fine with me, as I'll be in the class of 2011.👍

 

[mjl1717]

I don't think that anyone goes into medical school with the idea of being the last person in their class so you will have plenty of classmates with the same goal as yourself. It's good to have a goal but a better one would be to shoot for mastery of your coursework and mastery of the things that you need to be a good practicing physician. Medical school is a very short period compared to the length of time that you will be actually practicing.

Your patients won't care if you are first or last in your class but rather they want you to know what you can do to help them. In general, that person who ends up last in their class turns out to be an excellent practicing physician which is why one goes to medical school in the first place and being at the top of your class doesn't guarantee that you will be an excellent practicing physician (just that you did well on medical school tests).

Good luck in your quest!

1) This is a $$$ post here!!

2)Hopefully the guy is tactful/learned enough to verbalize his thought only on SDN..

3)Like a heavyweight champ even if ya win... You STILL get the crap beat out of you.
3a)Analogy--heavyweight boxing champ--heavy weight boxing is boxing, its not weightlifting..
And being a compassionate, learned, distinguished doc is not just about knowing biochem and physio backwards

4)As said above: top student does NOT = best (William Osler) doc..

5)Good entertainment though!

 

[sprinkibrio]

You have a lot of sleeping around to do. Start with the Dean if you want to be economical.

 

[jpro]

I strive to be the top MS4 in my school.

4th yr rocks

 

[njbmd]

I strive to be the top MS4 in my school.

4th yr rocks

I just want to let you know. Here is my theory on medical school performance:

• The students who graduate in the top third of the class become medical school professors.
• The students who graduate in the middle third of the class become rich.
• The students who graduate in the bottom third of the class become very rich.

Don't try too hard during fourth year!

 

[HEADintheCLOUDS]

I just want to let you know. Here is my theory on medical school performance:

• The students who graduate in the top third of the class become medical school professors.
• The students who graduate in the middle third of the class become rich.
• The students who graduate in the bottom third of the class become very rich.

Don't try too hard during fourth year!

Are you joking? If not can you explain why the worst become the very richest? It would be esier to be horrible thant good.

 

[Biscuit799]

I just want to let you know. Here is my theory on medical school performance:

• The students who graduate in the top third of the class become medical school professors.
• The students who graduate in the middle third of the class become rich.
• The students who graduate in the bottom third of the class become very rich.

Don't try too hard during fourth year!

Ditto. Although I've heard it similarly...

Top third = academics/attendings/researches
Middle third = best clinicians
bottom third = make the most money

the idea is that those who gun for the top positions get the most prestigious (yet, often worst paying) academic positions as they are the best at studying/memorization/everything else it takes to be at the top of one's field (intellectually).

The middle third, while less inclined intellectually, often meet the balance of "focus on academics" with being good at "life." They identify with their patients better than those at the top, but are often more clinically inclined than their peers at the bottom. They also will go into academic practice, but not as often as those at the top of the class.

The lower third, while lacking in academic skills, make proficient clinicians (due to the rigors of training), but often have a more rounded skill set (i.e. they're better at running a business, sales, patient interactions) than their peers. They're also the least "academic" of the group, which means they're the least likely to go into academics, which again usually suffer in pay.

...but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[njbmd]

Are you joking? If not can you explain why the worst become the very richest? It would be esier to be horrible thant good.

Think about it! Medical school is professional school. Professional school is all about overcoming adversity and landing on your feet. Who knows more about this than medical students who have struggled?

Medical students who have struggled are not "horrible" (and medical students who do well are not especially "good"). A medical student who struggles usually has encountered something that interfered with their ability to get their work done. Once they have identified and eliminated that "something", they largely go on to have very successful careers.

 

[HEADintheCLOUDS]

Think about it! Medical school is professional school. Professional school is all about overcoming adversity and landing on your feet. Who knows more about this than medical students who have struggled?

Medical students who have struggled are not "horrible" (and medical students who do well are not especially "good"). A medical student who struggles usually has encountered something that interfered with their ability to get their work done. Once they have identified and eliminated that "something", they largely go on to have very successful careers.

Yeah them not wanting to study but have fun instead. Not having discipline to put school in front of non-sense fun. I think this will still be in theri future and they will probably when practicing put having fun in front of helping/saving patients.

So if you end up being at the top of the class but do not want to be academic, then how will you fair?

 

[njbmd]

Yeah them not wanting to study but have fun instead. Not having discipline to put school in front of non-sense fun. I think this will still be in theri future and they will probably when practicing put having fun in front of helping/saving patients.

So if you end up being at the top of the class but do not want to be academic, then how will you fair?

Little hard for you to understand eh? No, they are not wanting to have fun but maybe illness of self, spouse, child etc might interfere wiht their studies. By the time most people get to medical school, goofing off is not a problem which is why they end up doing well in the long run not being at the top of the class. I will leave you, since you very smart, to figure out how "you" will fare. Kinda of a duh for you eh? 😕

 

[HEADintheCLOUDS]

Little hard for you to understand eh? No, they are not wanting to have fun but maybe illness of self, spouse, child etc might interfere wiht their studies. By the time most people get to medical school, goofing off is not a problem which is why they end up doing well in the long run not being at the top of the class. I will leave you, since you very smart, to figure out how "you" will fare. Kinda of a duh for you eh? 😕

Actually they havent. And I am not talking about other schools, only mine where they dont have such problems that you speak. It is because tey would rather do fun stuff. But I am sure you know that because you can see people at every med school in the universe.

 

[njbmd]

Actually they havent. And I am not talking about other schools, only mine where they dont have such problems that you speak. It is because tey would rather do fun stuff. But I am sure you know that because you can see people at every med school in the universe.

I rest my case!

 

[sirus_virus]

Are you joking? If not can you explain why the worst become the very richest? It would be esier to be horrible thant good.

Because the really smart ones spent 100% of their time reading, and I don't know if you've noticed but booksmarts might get you a really nice paycheck but it typically doesn't make you rich. If not, tell me why the super smart neurosurgeon is on the payroll of a company owned by a businessman who barely scrapped through business school, or why one of the most successful group of dermatological centers in California is not owned by a dermatologist, or why between physicians, HMOs, insurance companies, nurses, PAs, NPs etc, physicians (the 'smartest' group) are the only ones experiencing a rapid decline in income and rise in debt burden.

 

[HEADintheCLOUDS]

Because the really smart ones spent 100% of their time reading, and I don't know if you've noticed but booksmarts might get you a really nice paycheck but it typically doesn’t make you rich. If not, tell me why the super smart neurosurgeon is on the payroll of a company owned by a businessman who barely scrapped through business school, or why one of the most successful group of dermatological centers in California is not owned by a dermatologist, or why between physicians, HMOs, insurance companies, nurses, PAs, NPs etc, physicians (the 'smartest' group) are the only ones experiencing a rapid decline in income and rise in debt burden.

Yeah but in reference to what I said was the "worst" I was refering to the worst half of your med school class. Oh how I love how people interject without knowing what the convo is about!

 

[Biscuit799]

Yeah but in reference to what I said was the "worst" I was refering to the worst half of your med school class. Oh how I love how people interject without knowing what the convo is about!

Because most people who are in the bottom of the class aren't there because they don't study enough. Usually they study just as much, just not as effectively. The effort is there, they just don't know how to make it pay as big dividends.

 

[HEADintheCLOUDS]

Because most people who are in the bottom of the class aren't there because they don't study enough. Usually they study just as much, just not as effectively. The effort is there, they just don't know how to make it pay as big dividends.

That could be true and makes sense. But alot of people who barely pass, themselves say that they barely had to study.....

 

[Occams Razor]

Because most people who are in the bottom of the class aren't there because they don't study enough. Usually they study just as much, just not as effectively. The effort is there, they just don't know how to make it pay as big dividends.

Also, people at the "bottom" of the class may have other issues, such as crippling stress/anxiety/depression, or may be still adjusting to the professional school routine during the first semester. Lots of variables affect performance.

 

[baylormed]

Actually they havent. And I am not talking about other schools, only mine where they dont have such problems that you speak. It is because tey would rather do fun stuff. But I am sure you know that because you can see people at every med school in the universe.

ZOMFG, do you mean that some people actually want to do fun stuff in addition to studying? 😱 How dare they!

Pfff....I guess some of us didn't get the memo that med school was a prison sentence.

 

[Biscuit799]

Also, people at the "bottom" of the class may have other issues, such as crippling stress/anxiety/depression, or may be still adjusting to the professional school routine during the first semester. Lots of variables affect performance.

Absolutely, and the transition between college and med school cannot be overlooked. And those who had to work hard to make good grades in med school probably end up having an easier transition (granted, that's just a theory)...

 

[Biscuit799]

That could be true and makes sense. But alot of people who barely pass, themselves say that they barely had to study.....

??

Granted there is the occasional student who does go out every night and is content with bare minimum passing, but that rarely is ever more than one person in each class. And who's to say there is anything wrong with that? In fact they're probably the smartest person in the class...😎

 

[barasch]

The real secret to getting ahead is to hover around whenever a teacher is talking to a group of students. I don't just mean being part of the group, but really push the boundaries of personal space. Get in there! Ask some questions to show your knowledge! Your classmates will respect you and will be more inclined to help you once they know how committed you are to your education. They might respect you so much that you don't have to worry about those nasty social obligations, giving you more time to study and establish your intellectual ascendancy. Best of luck, and may the best man win!

dude, if medicine doesn't work for you, you should write for hollywood. Hillarious!👍

 

[Horowitz]

I've got a warning for starting this thread, but apparently, this is one of the more popular ones here, with 2000+ views in such a short time.

 

[Blesbok]

The only way I see that happening is if they try to build a 15,000 person human pyramid. Then perhaps you can be at the top. Or maybe if you climb Everest, then technically you could be the top med student on the planet for however long you are up there. Your intimate knowledge of frostbite and gangrene should get you that derm residency after that.

What if I happen to be flying home at that specific time. 😱