I would be proud, and honored, and humbled

[cubbbie]

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to be admitted to any accredited medical school in the United States. So these comments about "lower tier medical schools" are an insult to the profession that we seek to enter and honor. If we are educated at any accredited medical shool and licensed as professionals who can be servants to the sick and dying, what an honor and a priviledge ...kill your egos, folks.

Searun

I can understand "proud" and "honored," but why "humbled"? And actually, can you be proud and humbled at the same time? I think the definition of humbled is not proud.

That is stupid for me to bring up, but I think the word "humbled" is what most of the people on this thread are objecting to. I understand what you're saying, though, and I'm glad you're entering the profession for the right reasons.

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

Why do people make such ignorant jokes and comments? Last time i checked pathologists are the ones making diagnosis on Cancers and other life threatning diseases. Being a medical technologist, i can tell you that differentiating between different stages of human cells is not an easy stuff. now differentiating normal cells from cancerous cells, that is a b***.

I didn't make it up, that's the actual joke. It's an old one, from the days when path was the least desirable and least competitive specialty. Now days, this isn't exactly true. I think even most pathologists would think it's kind of funny. Lighten up. 🙄

 

[crazy_cavalier]

Really? Man, I definitely factor what med school the people went to when I'm looking for a doctor myself. And I hate that I do that, because I know I, myself, will likely not get into one of those med schools where I can put my diploma on the wall and look impressive.

That's bullsh*t.

Finding a great doctor is done by word-of-mouth and by the reputation of the DOCTOR (not his #$%@ing school). It's when a close friend or a family member says to you, "Man, this doctor is really great, I feel very comfortable with him/her and I would entrust the lives of my loved ones to his/her care."

 

[baylormed]

I can understand "proud" and "honored," but why "humbled"? And actually, can you be proud and humbled at the same time? I think the definition of humbled is not proud.

That is stupid for me to bring up, but I think the word "humbled" is what most of the people on this thread are objecting to. I understand what you're saying, though, and I'm glad you're entering the profession for the right reasons.

Proud has two different connotations. You can be proud (stubborn, unwilling to change your mind because of PRIDE), or you can just be proud (satisfied with something).

You can be proud of your achievements, but still be HUMBLE about them.

They're not mutually exclusive. I don't know if I made any sense, but I tried.

 

[MWillie]

That's bullsh*t.

Finding a great doctor is done by word-of-mouth and by the reputation of the DOCTOR (not his #$%@ing school). It's when a close friend or a family member says to you, "Man, this doctor is really great, I feel very comfortable with him/her and I would entrust the lives of my loved ones to his/her care."

Haha, so if you need a pediatric endocrinologist you're going to ask your buddies hey whose your pediatric endocrinologist and is s/he good?

You'd be wrong if you think everyone thinks the way you do. I would say a large portion of the population would be interested in knowing where their doctor went to school. Maybe not the indigent alcoholic, but the professional whose daughter is sick is damn sure checking up on your record. Where you went to school is PART of your reputation.

 

[cubbbie]

That's bullsh*t.

Finding a great doctor is done by word-of-mouth and by the reputation of the DOCTOR (not his #$%@ing school). It's when a close friend or a family member says to you, "Man, this doctor is really great, I feel very comfortable with him/her and I would entrust the lives of my loved ones to his/her care."

Yes, ideally.

But come on. What do we really know about doctors? I need to get cysts removed from my ovaries. I'm having the surgery on Monday. I'm very scared because there is a lot that could go wrong. There aren't that many doctors out there who do this kind of surgery. Do you think a single one of my close family members or friends could recommend a surgeon to me? Do you think my insurance would pay for me to shop around for doctors and find one I feld comfortable with? Of course not. Very few people would have that luxury.

So ultimately it came down to me trying to select a doctor based on what was already a very narrow allowance of in-network physicians. I have no idea what I'm looking for, and I have no idea who to ask for advice. All I have is a list of names, what institution they work for, and where they went to medical school and residency, and possibly if they've done any research in the field. That is literally ALL I have to go on, and that is how it is for most patients. That's how it is in the real world.

I understand what you're saying, but you have to look at it practically. The same thing happened when I broke my wrist and had to have surgery to get it repaired. The first doctor I went to attended school in his home country (Iran), then did his residency in the U.S. He was also working at a less-reputable institution. I play the violin, and my hands are very important to me. The worst thing I could ever imagine would be for something to happen to my hands or wrists. What could I do? Of course I switched to someone who went to an American school and was working at a better instution.

Is that shallow? Perhaps. But I have very little information to go on, and so I have to make assumptions based on what I have. Think realistically, what else can I do?

Now, I work in the health field, and I know a lot of doctors who went to top five schools whom I wouldn't trust my pet gerbil to, let alone myself or a family member. And I've had some very good experiences with people from smaller med schools.

I guess a lot of what I'm saying applies more strictly to surgery, anyway. I do think doctors who are really involved in research and have a really prestigious name can lose track of their patients more easily. I have seen that. But that's a whole other issue.

 

[mcat_study]

Yes, ideally.

But come on. What do we really know about doctors? I need to get cysts removed from my ovaries. I'm having the surgery on Monday. I'm very scared because there is a lot that could go wrong. There aren't that many doctors out there who do this kind of surgery. Do you think a single one of my close family members or friends could recommend a surgeon to me? Do you think my insurance would pay for me to shop around for doctors and find one I feld comfortable with? Of course not. Very few people would have that luxury.

So ultimately it came down to me trying to select a doctor based on what was already a very narrow allowance of in-network physicians. I have no idea what I'm looking for, and I have no idea who to ask for advice. All I have is a list of names, what institution they work for, and where they went to medical school and residency, and possibly if they've done any research in the field. That is literally ALL I have to go on, and that is how it is for most patients. That's how it is in the real world.

I understand what you're saying, but you have to look at it practically. The same thing happened when I broke my wrist and had to have surgery to get it repaired. The first doctor I went to attended school in his home country (Iran), then did his residency in the U.S. He was also working at a less-reputable institution. I play the violin, and my hands are very important to me. The worst thing I could ever imagine would be for something to happen to my hands or wrists. What could I do? Of course I switched to someone who went to an American school and was working at a better instution.

Is that shallow? Perhaps. But I have very little information to go on, and so I have to make assumptions based on what I have. Think realistically, what else can I do?

Now, I work in the health field, and I know a lot of doctors who went to top five schools whom I wouldn't trust my pet gerbil to, let alone myself or a family member. And I've had some very good experiences with people from smaller med schools.

I guess a lot of what I'm saying applies more strictly to surgery, anyway. I do think doctors who are really involved in research and have a really prestigious name can lose track of their patients more easily. I have seen that. But that's a whole other issue.

how about reference of your internist or this site--->http://www.healthgrades.com/consumer/index.cfm?TV_LID=IMG_HOME

doctor's medical school will not really tell you anything.

 

[tacrum43]

I would say a large portion of the population would be interested in knowing where their doctor went to school.

I really don't think 99% of people would care to ask. Maybe pre-meds. A friend of my dad's was a pediatrician for many years, and he said he was never asked once about where he went to school (which was Johns Hopkins for anyone who thinks only graduates from bottom tier schools would choose something as uncompetitive as pediatrics).

 

[MWillie]

I really don't think 99% of people would care to ask. Maybe pre-meds. A friend of my dad's was a pediatrician for many years, and he said he was never asked once about where he went to school (which was Johns Hopkins for anyone who thinks only graduates from bottom tier schools would choose something as uncompetitive as pediatrics).

99%? Pretty high claim there, got any proof? Check any hospital website and it'll likely list the physician's training. If only 1% cared, do you think this would be the case?

 

[cubbbie]

how about reference of your internist or this site--->http://www.healthgrades.com/consumer/index.cfm?TV_LID=IMG_HOME

doctor's medical school will not really tell you anything.

I've seen these kinds of things before. It doesn't seem like it's offering any new information, except whether or not they've had disciplinary action taken against them. Then again, I didn't pay the $9.95 to get the actual report.

There are also magazines and whatnot that rank doctors based on a survey of their professional peers. But again, that doesn't necessarily tell you all that much. My dad is a physician, and one year he'll be ranked highly, and the next year he won't make the list at all, then he'll go back to making the list the following year -- I'm pretty sure his quality as a doctor can't change that dramatically from year to year. I think those are largely popularity contests.

By the way, when I am looking at a doctor's stats (and let me reiterate, I'm mostly referring to surgeons here), I'm more concerned about residency, fellowship, and also how many of these procedures they've done. I was sort of clumping med school, residency and fellowship into one category. But I do think residency and fellowship are actually significantly more important factors.

 

[mcat_study]

I've seen these kinds of things before. It doesn't seem like it's offering any new information, except whether or not they've had disciplinary action taken against them. Then again, I didn't pay the $9.95 to get the actual report.

There are also magazines and whatnot that rank doctors based on a survey of their professional peers. But again, that doesn't necessarily tell you all that much. My dad is a physician, and one year he'll be ranked highly, and the next year he won't make the list at all, then he'll go back to making the list the following year -- I'm pretty sure his quality as a doctor can't change that dramatically from year to year. I think those are largely popularity contests.

By the way, when I am looking at a doctor's stats (and let me reiterate, I'm mostly referring to surgeons here), I'm more concerned about residency, fellowship, and also how many of these procedures they've done. I was sort of clumping med school, residency and fellowship into one category. But I do think residency and fellowship are actually significantly more important factors.

yes, i agree, especially the # of the procedures they;ve done and their reputation.

p.s. and i just have to say this---yay Maria Sharapova rules!!!

 

[tacrum43]

99%? Pretty high claim there, got any proof? Check any hospital website and it'll likely list the physician's training. If only 1% cared, do you think this would be the case?

No, I don't have proof. Who would do a study on that? It was an anecdote. But he practiced in the days before websites, and probably before US News rankings. So who knows? Maybe people do care now.

Actually, I have to admit that recently I have been asking my doctors where they went to school, but that's just because I was curious and wondering what their thoughts were of their school. It really didn't have anything to do with my thoughts on the level of care they would provide. Come to think of it, the one with what appeared to be the most successful practice was an opthamologist from LSU.

 

[45408]

Not bloody likely. Stop trying to equate barely accredited Ros Franklin with Hopkins. You belittle the achievements of those that worked hard to gain acceptance into a Tier I school with your comments, premed.

Thank you, James Bond. What would be bloody nice is if you would simply ensure that you treat people as if they weren't *****s because they didn't attend Hopkins. You belittle the achievements of those that worked hard to gain acceptance into Ros Franklin because......actually, I have no idea why someone would do that by stating it's "barely accredited." Most of your posts have to do with getting into prestigious schools and prestigious residencies. Everybody still has to get up every morning and put their pants on.

 

[psipsina]

If I was going to take the time to research a doc, I would be more interested in the prestige of their residency than their medschool . . .

 

[63768]

why are you people making a big deal about this? sure, i am at the mercy of the med schools i'm applying to and would be happy to get into any school. but i'm not going to start a thread, whining about how unfair or whatever it is for schools to be tiered, ranked, and for those students to feel elite. it happens. it has to happen. yes, i know the education is essentially the same and that the real key to attaining that great residency is w/ individual marks and USMLE scores, but the name of the school still matters.

also i don't think the medical school is as important as the residency. it's always the endpoint of your education. that shows the true abilities of former med student, as the med schools shows the abilities of the college student.

 

[Oculus Sinistra]

I recall a phone conversation I had with one of my older brothers while he was in medical school (WUSTL Class of '93). I asked him what his classmates were like and he replied "Jesus Christ, you wouldn't believe some of the clowns they let in this place." One guy started knitting during orientation.

LMAO 👍

 

[Rafa]

My goodness this is the funniest thread I've seen in a while.

Yes!

 

[8744]

please, allow me to be selfish for a minute

Schools like Drexel, RFU, NYMC are med schools. They'r probably even good med schools, since I don't think there are bad ones in the US.

But schools like Harvard, JHU, Penn.....they're not just schools. They are what we dream about. They are what the world sees as leaders of medicine. They are a lot more than just schools. To equate them to other "medical schools" is to neglect their position in our society.

And to be able to attend such a school....no matter what you do afterwards, you will always be a graduate of HMS/JHU/Penn. No matter what kind of shyt life throws at you, you were once one of the elite, one of the best out there.

I bet when they see you coming, car salesmen lick their chops and start fighting with each other, animal planet-like, to see who gets to sell you a car.

Or to put it another way, you didn't just drink the Kool-Aid, you guzzled it and asked for more.

 

[searun]

I bet when they see you coming, car salesmen lick their chops and start fighting with each other, animal planet-like, to see who gets to sell you a car.

Or to put it another way, you didn't just drink the Kool-Aid, you guzzled it and asked for more.

No Civic hybrid for these folks. What oil crisis? We have plenty of soldiers who never went to college to do our dirty work and duck bullets.

Searun

 

[mynamewastaken]

No Civic hybrid for these folks. What oil crisis? We have plenty of soldiers who never went to college to do our dirty work and duck bullets.

Searun

It's sort of ironic that there are threads about certain medical schools being better than others (or more specifically "if lower tier schools produce less competent doctors") yet some these very same people have debated (me in some threads) that think all undergraduate schools provide the same education....something is very wrong here.

 

[Darch]

👍 👍

 

[ForbiddenComma]

I don't buy for a minute that Harvard can take a given applicant and turn him or her into a better doctor, than what a good public school could do with that same applicant.

Harvard gets to choose a smarter and more motivated entering M1 class than Big State U, sure. But that doesn't mean an individual is somehow doomed to a life of misery if he goes to a middle-of-the-pack school, and nor does it mean that he's guaranteed to be a great practitioner if he graduates from Crimson.

Granted, if he goes to Harvard he'll have connections, which will lead to a good position which leads to more money... and he'll get to impress people at cocktail parties by casually mentioning that he "went to Boston" for his medical education... but given that preclinical med education is well over 50% self-taught no matter where you go, and everyone has access to the same books and web materials, and everyone takes the same shelf exams and boards... I just don't buy that "produces better doctors" argument. Researchers, maybe. Clinical doctors? No way. And apparently the doctors and educators used by USNews don't think so, either.

 

[Andre04]

Haha, so if you need a pediatric endocrinologist you're going to ask your buddies hey whose your pediatric endocrinologist and is s/he good?

You'd be wrong if you think everyone thinks the way you do. I would say a large portion of the population would be interested in knowing where their doctor went to school. Maybe not the indigent alcoholic, but the professional whose daughter is sick is damn sure checking up on your record. Where you went to school is PART of your reputation.

This is funny, because how many people outside of Missouri have actually heard of WashU? If you were concerned about a school's reputation among future patients, you might have considered attending a school they'd actually HEARD of.

Seriously, a school that you have to specify what city it's in every time you say its name? Not exactly a bastion of respect among the unwashed masses

In my experience, it's those people that attend the "less recognized" upper tier schools that are most focused on this elitist reputation crap. Some sort of weird super self-consciousness about the fact that they feel they should get more "respect" for their school than they do.

You don't see people who go to Harvard or JHU trying to defend the whole elitist system--they have nothing to prove. Just look at what schools the real elitists come from. Very interesting.

 

[cgscribe]

I agree with both sides here. First of all, I definitely think that school has no bearing on the type of doctor you'll be, especially because a majority of what makes a good doctor is ability to connect/empathize with patient which is mostly a personality equation. While it'd be better to never refer to a school as "lower tier," the fact is that educated pre-med students know which institutions are considered powerhouses and which aren't. The distinction is on U.S. News and name recognition mostly, but there is credo to a school's legacy when it comes time to apply for residencies (just as undergrad. name has credo when applying to medical school).

 

[45408]

This is funny, because how many people outside of Missouri have actually heard of WashU? If you were concerned about a school's reputation among future patients, you might have considered attending a school they'd actually HEARD of.

I thought it was in Washington state, right?



😉

 

[riceman04]

What are you mad about? The fact that schools are tiered like most things in life? Get over your self righteousness.

You know what Johhns Hopkins, Harvard, Duke, Columbia, Michigan, etc... are top tier schools. The University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences is not (although it serves its role in providing competent physicians for the state, it is still not the premiere instituition).

I can get an accredited degree at the local CC, but a degree from Harvard is still better. And you know why? Because Harvard is a top tier school, and the CC is not.

Don't bitch at people for categorizing schools just because you cannot get into the better ones.

I can get an accredited degree at the local CC, but a degree from Harvard is still better. And you know why? Because Harvard is a top tier school, and the CC is not.

= the worst example ever...TRY AGAIN

 

[desout777]

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[cgscribe]

Like I said, no school will make you great vs. not great, but people go to the "high-power" schools to get what they feel is an education/experience that will serve them as best possible. The fact that people strive to go Ivy attests to this. I don't think this at all an issue of jealousy (I myself come from a CSU), but I think it's dishonest for people to say they would rather go to a lesser known school.

 

[Andre04]

I thought it was in Washington state, right?



😉

See this is exactly the problem with substandard education. You don't even know geography.

Washington is a DISTRICT not a STATE, plebe. You'd totally know that if you didn't spend your time plumbing the depths of educational mediocrity.

So sad.🙁

 

[Mr. Tee]

See this is exactly the problem with substandard education. You don't even know geography.

Washington is a DISTRICT not a STATE, plebe. You'd totally know that if you didn't spend your time plumbing the depths of educational mediocrity.

So sad.🙁

uh.....??????

Do you look like Mario, too? 🙄

 

[Mr. Tee]

I thought it was in Washington state, right?



😉

You'd be suprised at how many people think of WashU when I say "University of Washington."

 

[spicedmanna]

See this is exactly the problem with substandard education. You don't even know geography.

Washington is a DISTRICT not a STATE, plebe. You'd totally know that if you didn't spend your time plumbing the depths of educational mediocrity.

So sad.🙁

dude, i hope you are joking. there is, too, a washington state. like in the pacific northwest (where starbucks started)?? as in seattle, washington?

but you are correct that there is a district called washington, d.c., the district of columbia, our nation's capital.

 

[Andre04]

 

[geno2568]

i go to an ivy league school now. And if I didn't, i probably wouldn't be too much of a different person. But I wouldn't have "Cornell University" on my diploma. I wouldn't have networked with world-class faculty. And I wouldn't have made friend's with arguably some of the smartest college students in the country.

I agree that being a student in a great school will not make you great by default. And you can be just as good of a doctor no matter which school you go to, so long as you work hard and stay motivated.

But welcome to the real world. Getting ahead is all about networking and dropping the right names. And in that regard, top tier schools are most definetly better than others.

 

[honker]

I would agree that this thread is hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. Do you really think that "connections" and elite med school graduate status will get you ahead? Check out my profile. I wouldn't impress any of you elitists, but I can guarantee you that I have succeeded beyond most of your wildest dreams, with the exception of you academic types.
Probably the biggest benefit to getting ahead in the private sector (my territory) is a head for business and being willling to work hard. The rest is fluff.

 

[jojocola]

I recall a phone conversation I had with one of my older brothers while he was in medical school (WUSTL Class of '93). I asked him what his classmates were like and he replied "Jesus Christ, you wouldn't believe some of the clowns they let in this place." One guy started knitting during orientation.

Whats wrong with knitting?







jk heh

 

[R.P. McMurphy]

i go to an ivy league school now. And if I didn't, i probably wouldn't be too much of a different person. But I wouldn't have "Cornell University" on my diploma. I wouldn't have networked with world-class faculty. And I wouldn't have made friend's with arguably some of the smartest college students in the country.

Wrong, Ivy leaguue schools are not the best schools for networking, massive state schools are. Your argument suggests that you should save your money and go to large state schools that graduate thousands upon thousands of students every year. Ohio State, Penn State, Texas.......those are "networking schools."

Also, Ivy Leagues do not necessarily churn out the leaders of America on a consistent basis like they once used to. Just take a look at the recent trend in CEO's

Nobody is doubting that the Harvards, Penns, and Cornells are among the best in academics because they are. They also GENERALLY have a smarter student population (I personally don't care how smart my friends are, but to each his own) But implying that going to these schools makes you "a cut above the rest" is silly because you may only be ever so slightly "above the rest"

 

[spicedmanna]

But welcome to the real world. Getting ahead is all about networking and dropping the right names. And in that regard, top tier schools are most definetly better than others.

Yeah, I'd like to see you drop some names with your chief resident or attending physician who went to, say, a "lower tier" medical school, who just pulled a double shift. You'll come off looking like a jerk. 🙄

But I'm sure he or she would simply scut you along just like everyone else. "GET TO WORK"

 

[mcat_study]

Yeah, I'd like to see you drop some names with your chief resident or attending physician who went to, say, a "lower tier" medical school, who just pulled a double shift. You'll come off looking like a jerk. 🙄

But I'm sure he or she would simply scut you along just like everyone else. "GET TO WORK"

LMAO as i imagine this.

 

[MWillie]

This is funny, because how many people outside of Missouri have actually heard of WashU? If you were concerned about a school's reputation among future patients, you might have considered attending a school they'd actually HEARD of.

Seriously, a school that you have to specify what city it's in every time you say its name? Not exactly a bastion of respect among the unwashed masses

In my experience, it's those people that attend the "less recognized" upper tier schools that are most focused on this elitist reputation crap. Some sort of weird super self-consciousness about the fact that they feel they should get more "respect" for their school than they do.

You don't see people who go to Harvard or JHU trying to defend the whole elitist system--they have nothing to prove. Just look at what schools the real elitists come from. Very interesting.

Wah wah wah, what school do you go to again? I've probably never heard of it. You just go ahead and stay in the imaginary world of equality and daisys and butteryflies with the rest of your equally out of touch brethren. This thread is ridiculous.

I would be humbled, proud, whatever to be alive on god's green earth, but I sure as well would like to be in the United States rather than Mozambique. But hey, they're all countries right, what am I thinking??

 

[45408]

Wah wah wah, what school do you go to again? I've probably never heard of it. You just go ahead and stay in the imaginary world of equality and daisys and butteryflies with the rest of your equally out of touch brethren.

Somebody thinks his sh|t don't stank 🙄 How much more maturity and benevolence are you going to (not) display? Nobody else from WashU seems to be around - they probably don't want to be associated with you.

 

[MWillie]

Somebody thinks his sh|t don't stank 🙄 How much more maturity and benevolence are you going to (not) display? Nobody else from WashU seems to be around - they probably don't want to be associated with you.

My classmates are probably studying hard and publishing papers just like they did in undergrad. Maybe you should do the same instead of racking up 4000 posts stalking me on the internet.

 

[45408]

My classmates are probably studying hard and publishing papers just like they did in undergrad. Maybe you should do the same instead of racking up 4000 posts stalking me on the internet.

Your classmates? Why aren't you? Oh, you're bragging about yourself on the Internet.

Btw, you're the second one in as many days, and desperation is a stinky cologne 😉 http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4129721&postcount=42

 

[MWillie]

Your classmates? Why aren't you? Oh, you're bragging about yourself on the Internet.

Btw, you're the second one in as many days, and desperation is a stinky cologne 😉 http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=4129721&postcount=42

Just taking a break after completing my latest manuscript. 😉

 

[acrobat]

Whenever I need to be humbled I jsut think of the 12 year old that goes to UofChicago

 

[45408]

Just taking a break after completing my latest manuscript. 😉

Sounds like somebody has......nothing better to do! Ring any bells?

 

[SitraAchra]

MWillie - you need to stop bragging about yourself, it's kind of embarrassing. There are ways to disagree with the OP that involve tact, however you chose to omit those pleasantries. We're not impressed, sorry. Call your mom and she'll remind you that you're the best. Here, you're just another guy or girl posting on the internet. Do remember that.

 

[MWillie]

MWillie - you need to stop bragging about yourself, it's kind of embarrassing. There are ways to disagree with the OP that involve tact, however you chose to omit those pleasantries. We're not impressed, sorry. Call your mom and she'll remind you that you're the best. Here, you're just another guy or girl posting on the internet. Do remember that.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot SDN is a professional interview where I'm to impress you with sugarcoated pleasantries. My apologies, I will be much more pleasant in the future. Here, I must respectfully disagree with the OP, as I believe his beliefs are incorrect. Please take my opinion into consideration when evaluating his claims. Thank you for your time and have a nice day.

 

[Andre04]

Wah wah wah, what school do you go to again? I've probably never heard of it. You just go ahead and stay in the imaginary world of equality and daisys and butteryflies with the rest of your equally out of touch brethren. This thread is ridiculous.

I would be humbled, proud, whatever to be alive on god's green earth, but I sure as well would like to be in the United States rather than Mozambique. But hey, they're all countries right, what am I thinking??

That's great and all, but to continue your ridiculous analogy you ACTUALLY go to the Trinidad-and-Tobago of med schools in terms of name recognition among laypeople. Now and then you might make it into the second round of Miss Universe, but that's about it.

Of course your school is awesome, I don't deny that, and I am duly humbled in your presence. It's just that your school isn't recognized by anyone outside of academia or medicine. So your argument that patients care about school reputation, if true, means that you're probably no better off than someone who graduates from Ros Franklin or George Washington. Ooh, presidents. What state are you in again?

Seriously, you little-recognized upper tier people have nothing to show for all your arrogance, you're not Harvard or Yale and no one outside your imaginary ivory tower really cares. Philosophical question: If it's only other arrogant people at your school who think it's a big-name school, is it really a big-name school?

You sure have strange delusions of grandeur, peon.

 

[SitraAchra]

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot SDN is a professional interview where I'm to impress you with sugarcoated pleasantries. My apologies, I will be much more pleasant in the future. Here, I must respectfully disagree with the OP, as I believe his beliefs are incorrect. Please take my opinion into consideration when evaluating his claims. Thank you for your time and have a nice day.

This is true, I can't [nor want] to stop you from stating your opinion. I'm just stating mine in return. I think...we don't need anything further here 😎

Looks like you have bigger fish to fry named Andre!