If most of DOs do not use OMM, what's the point teaching it?

[DObound]

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Dead Of Admissions at an X school told us that. They claim that the the main outcome for the most of people that they feel more comfortable touching patients after this class. But I am surprised that that they make such a big emphasis on OMM during DO medical education and then it is abandoned.

 

[cyclohexanol]

Dead Of Admissions at an X school told us that. They claim that the the main outcome for the most of people that they feel more comfortable touching patients after this class. But I am surprised that that they make such a big emphasis on OMM during DO medical education and then it is abandoned.

Most graduating DOs don't use OMM much when they graduate. That doesn't mean the schools are going to stop teaching it. According to the AOA, OMM is the primary thing that allows DOs to be 'unique'. Whether or not its actually used is irrelevant.

There are plenty of things in any medical school that you will be taught that you will never use when you graduate, OMM is just one example.

 

[DObound]

well why would you stress on it so much if you do not use it? I think OMM is more of a tool for learning structure-functional anatomy than anything else.

 

[speeter]

Will we ever use calculus or organic chem? Yet we still learn them and understand their value.

 

[Pegasus1731]

Will we ever use calculus or organic chem? Yet we still learn them and understand their value.

i dont think i've ever seen value in orgo

 

[TexasTriathlete]

You'll be singing a different tune when you get to your clinical rotations and you are asked to figure out a bunch of reactions involving Bromine.

 

[sexyman]

I plan on using OMM when I start practicing. So there is the point of teaching it.

 

[cyclohexanol]

well why would you stress on it so much if you do not use it? I think OMM is more of a tool for learning structure-functional anatomy than anything else.

How else will the AOA maintain their 'unique' identity and keep their jobs?

 

[Concubine]

I plan on opening up an erotic OMM massage business.

 

[tkim]

You'll be singing a different tune when you get to your clinical rotations and you are asked to figure out a bunch of reactions involving Bromine.

Seriously?

 

[TexasTriathlete]

What do you think?

 

[sexyman]

why are you guys so against OMM?

Where is JP when we need him?

 

[TexasTriathlete]

I like OMM

 

[scpod]

....They claim that the the main outcome for the most of people that they feel more comfortable touching patients after this class....

Hmmmmmm......makes sense, but I don't think that's it. I think DO schools continue to teach OMM because they fear that not doing so would be the end of SDN as we know it. Think about it for a second (insert dramatic pause here) If it weren't for the two to three hundred threads per year where someone who doesn't really want to go to a DO school asks why we still have OMM, then nobody would be interested in coming here at all. Yes, the MD vs DO debate is the backbone of SDNs perpetuation. After all, it's much more entertaining than CRNA vs PA or DMD vs DPM, don't you think?😀


One of the good things about OMM is that you do become more comfortable with close patient contact, but there is much more to it. From reading your other posts I see where you are coming from....but the bottom line is that OMM is here to stay. It's not going away. I don't know what the deferral policy is at PCOM, but if they tell you that you can't apply elsewhere during that same period then I hope you'll just give up the spot and pursue MD. It's really not fair to others who would give their left testicles/ovaries for that spot.

In the meantime, why don't you look into OMM a little more. There were people in my class who never wanted to walk into the OMM lab but in the last two years have become not only proficient at it, but also have become staunch advocates having seen it in action.

Congratulations, BTW, on your acceptance. A lot of people would like to be in your shoes. Obviously, you have a hard choice to make. Good luck with it.

 

[tkim]

What do you think?

I don't know. You don't appear to be a med student, so I don't know if you just don't know any better, or trying (badly) to be a wiseass. So which one is it?

 

[cyclohexanol]

I don't know. You don't appear to be a med student, so I don't know if you just don't know any better, or trying (badly) to be a wiseass. So which one is it?

PGY1 has broken your sarcasm radar tkim

 

[tkim]

PGY1 has broken your sarcasm radar tkim

Perhaps. Intern year is slowly killing me, fer shure.

However, there are pre-meds stupid enough to believe or make statements like that. Perhaps, since I have less time to dig through people's posts to get a sense of whether they are serious or kidding, I'm playing the straight and narrow and ask for clarification.

I need more sleep, yo.

 

[RockfordWF]

Dead Of Admissions at an X school told us that. They claim that the the main outcome for the most of people that they feel more comfortable touching patients after this class. But I am surprised that that they make such a big emphasis on OMM during DO medical education and then it is abandoned.

You may not treat people with OMM, but you will still be able to quickly diagnose musculoskeletal problems.

 

[Meatwad]

You'll be singing a different tune when you get to your clinical rotations and you are asked to figure out a bunch of reactions involving Bromine.

Or what a Grignard reagent does.

Perhaps. Intern year is slowly killing me, fer shure.

However, there are pre-meds stupid enough to believe or make statements like that. Perhaps, since I have less time to dig through people's posts to get a sense of whether they are serious or kidding, I'm playing the straight and narrow and ask for clarification.

I need more sleep, yo.

I'll vouch for Tex. At least 760/819 of his posts are sarcastic jokes.

 

[tkim]

Or what a Grignard reagent does.



I'll vouch for Tex. At least 760/819 of his posts are sarcastic jokes.

Then he should go into EM.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Will we ever use calculus or organic chem? Yet we still learn them and understand their value.

"Doctor we are loosing him .... if only there was some way to find the area of this unsymmetrical region of his heart ..."

Doctor: " DAMMIT ... Stand back everyone ... I'm going to integrate ..."


Hahahah ... I personally find physics more pointless (except for MCAT prep obviously)

If I'm ever with a patient and find myself needing to use Snell's Law ... I'm switching careers!!!

 

[scpod]

... I personally find physics more pointless (except for MCAT prep obviously)

I think physics is a really good thing. It'll help you understand axis deviation when you learn about ecgs because it's all about vectors. Plus, the background is good to help you understand about the electrical activity and why it works that way. Yes, you could learn it without physics, but the analytical and problem-solving tasks that you have in physics are a good way to get the mind ready for similar tasks in medicine.

The same is true in organic chem, for instance. Most people will complain that you never have to use it again, so why go through it in the first place. For the most part they are right, but the background in it has really helped me understand a lot about pharmacology.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

tkim: I'm actually thinking very hard about EM or ortho.

 

[group_theory]

Physics How does a MRI work? What's the difference between T1 and T2 (MRI)? How does ultrasound work? What do you gain by having higher frequency probe? What do you lose by having a higher frequency probe?
How does an EKG work? Why does the p wave show an positive reflection on V1, but a negative reflection on aVR? If the QRS wave is isoelectric on a lead, what does that mean?
Why do you hear murmurs in kids? Why is knowing the wedge pressure important? With CVP monitoring, how do you read the numbers and what are the consequences of those numbers? Don't forget the ventilators!!!

As for newtonian mechanics, I'm sure you can ask the Ortho guys if it is important (mechanism of injury, and where to put in the plates/screws to obtain alignment)

I'm sure radiology and radiation-oncology have no need for physics.

I'm sure optics isn't important to optho.

 

[Doctor]

To me, it seems that enough DOs use and bill for OMT to make it worthwhile to learn in medical school. At least until you pick your specialty (and if it's one of the ones that doesn't ever use it) there's a chance you may use it down the road.

I'd say the specialties most likely to use it are Family Practice and Pain Management. Least likely are Radiology and Pathology. 😀

 

[tkim]

Physics How does a MRI work? What's the difference between T1 and T2 (MRI)? How does ultrasound work?

Actually, I'm required to sit for the RDMS ultrasound certification test at the end of residency and I hear there's quite a bit of physics on it. I may have to eat them words in a couple of years.

 

[desijigga]

I was a test dummy for an OMM class at MSUCOM past summer. It was a clinical exam or something for the OMT class. IMO, at least 70% of the students had no idea what they were doing. One of them almost dislocated my shoulder while doing a treatment. At the end I was basically doing the movements for them as I felt bad that they were so much under prepared. So please MED students learn your OMM.

LOL I remember one instance when a girl was trying to break my ankle flexion (or extension, I forgot the name of the test). I was having to much fun providing resistance, she was jumping up and down using as much power as she can. After 10 minutes I felt bad and stopped providing any resistance. 😀

 

[TexasTriathlete]

At the ankle, there is dorsi flexion and plantar flexion

 

[Powdermonkey]

At the ankle, there is dorsi flexion and plantar flexion

Dont you have a race to go run somewhere smarty pants?

 

[hoss22]

I've been shadowing a D.O. family physician for a while now. He uses OMM almost every day. When a large portion of your patients are opioid dependent already, it's nice to have an alternate treatment option for those that come to you first with back pain. In fact, I have never seen him "start" anyone on opioids, most of them are seekers when they come.