If SCOTUS rules against affirmative action, when will it go into affect?

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I'm hoping AA will be struck down.

AA is a disgusting tradition for our country. Indeed, it is no better or moral than the initial discrimination that took place that is used to justify AA.

I cannot help but wonder how many economically disadvantaged white kids have lost out on admission, jobs, or other opportunities to more economically advantaged minorities on the basis of "diversity" or some corrupt agenda to make current generations pay for sins of the past.
 
MuAgonist said:
In before hemmorage makes a fool of himself.
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I don't mean to offend anyone, but it seems silly to me to say that someone else will make a fool of themselves in a debate by leading with an ad hominem attack against that person...
 
Segway said:
I'm hoping AA will be struck down.

AA is a disgusting tradition for our country. Indeed, it is no better or moral than the initial discrimination that took place that is used to justify AA.

I cannot help but wonder how many economically disadvantaged white kids have lost out on admission, jobs, or other opportunities to more economically advantaged minorities on the basis of "diversity" or some corrupt agenda to make current generations pay for sins of the past.
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... rolls eyes. The obliviousness on this site is appalling sometimes. I won't take the bait, though.
 
Segway,

As my mother has always told me, life isn't fair. I can make the same argument regarding fairness -- my GPA is being put up to the same standards as some kid from 'Middle-of-Nowhere State University'. Fair?
 
Can someone please answer my question, though? It will be greatly appreciated. 😍
 
Emory15 said:
Segway,

As my mother has always told me, life isn't fair. I can make the same argument regarding fairness -- my GPA is being put up to the same standards as some kid from 'Middle-of-Nowhere State University'. Fair?
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You're gonna get flamed for that.

But you knew that already. You had to..
 
I know I would catch some criticism for my views; but, I needed to say it. It's fine that you have a different POV but there is no need to write off my views as oblivious. It honestly was not bait and I don't plan to give any lengthy retorts to people with different opinions on the matter.

Though, if you have any strong arguments as to why AA is a good thing in 2012, or knowledge of how this ruling will change AA policies for colleges, feel free to share.

If all you have is high-brow-anti-Eurocentric-dogma from a 100 level diversity class... well, I'm sure we've heard those tired arguments for long enough as most of us have been to college in the last 20 years.

clothcut said:
... rolls eyes. The obliviousness on this site is appalling sometimes. I won't take the bait, though.
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Emory. I agree with you that life isn't fair. However, isn't it another thing entirely to POLICY for admission criteria for educational programs or jobs on the basis of race? In fact, acknowledging that life-isn't-fair gives credence to the sentiment that racial equality policies are unimportant.
 
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So I'm literally sitting here with a bag of pop corn and a cherry slushie from Target guys...Gonna sit this one out. :laugh:

BTW, a ruling isn't expected until June next year I think...
 
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tiedyeddog said:
Dude, no one knows. You graduate in two years, apparently. Rock the MCAT and get a great GPA. Worry about crap you can control.
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I dont think OP cares about that. OP is only focused on how much advantage will URM status gives.
 
Agent B said:
I dont think OP cares about that. OP is only focused on how much advantage will URM status gives.
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Hey, there is a forum on SDN for this argument. Why don't you start a thread in the socioeconomic subforum or the lounge. This topic has been hashed out to an insane level here. It's not like you're going to change someone's deep seated beliefs via some lame argument on the internet (trust me... I have tried one too many times here.)

You're not even trying to answer OP's question, come on.
 
tiedyeddog said:
Dude, no one knows. You graduate in two years, apparently. Rock the MCAT and get a great GPA. Worry about crap you can control.
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I agree with this but honestly this is a question a lot of people are wondering about and it's inevitable that it will keep coming up, may as well just answer it now to avoid even more threads asking the same question.
 
Lollygag said:
I agree with this but honestly this is a question a lot of people are wondering about and it's inevitable that it will keep coming up, may as well just answer it now to avoid even more threads asking the same question.
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Ok, why don't you stroll into the office of one of the SCOTUS judges and ask them about it. Maybe shoot an e-mail to one of the lawyers in the case. Let us know how it goes.
 
tiedyeddog said:
Ok, why don't you stroll into the office of one of the SCOTUS judges and ask them about it. Maybe shoot an e-mail to one of the lawyers in the case. Let us know how it goes.
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😕 If I knew the answer I would have given it by now. I think there have been enough supreme court cases in history to guesstimate how long it might take for new policies to be enforced. I don't have any knowledge about that however because I don't keep up with supreme court cases so my opinion wouldn't matter I'll leave it up to someone on here who does.
 
Lollygag said:
😕 If I knew the answer I would have given it by now. I think there have been enough supreme court cases in history to guesstimate how long it might take for new policies to be enforced. I don't have any knowledge about that however because I don't keep up with supreme court cases so my opinion wouldn't matter I'll leave it up to someone on here who does.
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Ok, say it goes into effect tomorrow are you(if your are a minority) going to try harder in your classes now that there is no AA?! Here is a protip: TRY HARD ANYWAY.
 
tiedyeddog said:
Hey, there is a forum on SDN for this argument. Why don't you start a thread in the socioeconomic subforum or the lounge. This topic has been hashed out to an insane level here. It's not like you're going to change someone's deep seated beliefs via some lame argument on the internet (trust me... I have tried one too many times here.)

You're not even trying to answer OP's question, come on.
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😕

I think you attacked the wrong guy or your sarcasm detector is broken. I already answered OP.
 
tiedyeddog said:
Ok, say it goes into effect tomorrow are you(if your are a minority) going to try harder in your classes now that there is no AA?! Here is a protip: TRY HARD ANYWAY.
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No because I'm already working as hard as I can. I can get in whether I have urm status or not my application (so far) is definitely above average to be totally honest. I have multiple things that separate me from average applicants and I know that sounds cocky but I'm just being honest.

This has nothing to do with me however, so I'm not sure what you were really getting at. I was simply asking that we answer the OP's question (if anyone has an opinion to share) and move on with our lives.
 
If it goes into effect tomorrow you're going to have all the social-justice-characters coming out of the woodwork to protest and make life easier on their "communities". Think FL during the height of the Trayvon Martin case.

Just like you suggest AA students are going to need to nut-up-or-shutup if this goes through. No more two-standard-systems where you can blow off classes because of your skin color. One class mate of mine lives in a much nicer community than me (his parents pay for his education too) and he is counting on his poor study skills and lack of hard work to get him into a medical school because he's URM. "I don't have to try hard because I'm Mexican" he says - while laughing. This ruling would keep kids like him out of medical school; however, the hard working students who achieve the right grades, weather Black, White, Hispanic, Native American etc. will get in.

Welcome to the real world - patients don't care about your racial heritage, ethnicity, or what hardship your great grandfather went through. All they care about is your abilities as a physician.



tiedyeddog said:
Ok, say it goes into effect tomorrow are you(if your are a minority) going to try harder in your classes now that there is no AA?! Here is a protip: TRY HARD ANYWAY.
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Freesia88 said:
So I'm literally sitting here with a bag of pop corn and a cherry slushie from Target guys...Gonna sit this one out. :laugh:

BTW, a ruling isn't expected until June next year I think...
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LOL I saw a lot of your posts in other AA threads and when I saw this I literally thot Freesia88 is gonna bust a vessel I hope they don't see this :laugh:
 
Let's try to avoid a firestorm here. I got shot down for no reason here 🙁🙁
 
Agent B said:
Stopped by just to see some action, then i'll join the fun.
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Agent B said:
no. merit matters all. Race, not so much and it shouldn't.
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Agent B said:
I dont think OP cares about that. OP is only focused on how much advantage will URM status gives.
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Agent B said:
😕

I think you attacked the wrong guy or your sarcasm detector is broken. I already answered OP.
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None of those answered when a SCOTUS decision would remove AA if they do decide that. You just stated your feelings about AA.
 
tiedyeddog said:
None of those answered when a SCOTUS decision would remove AA if they do decide that. You just stated your feelings about AA.
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Because my answer was focused on how aa repeal will affect urms mentioned in the post, not the title.

Also, the main question isnt preallo, so it's gonna be locked soon.
 
Lollygag said:
LOL I saw a lot of your posts in other AA threads and when I saw this I literally thot Freesia88 is gonna bust a vessel I hope they don't see this :laugh:
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:laugh: Took me a while but I finally made peace with the fact that many people on here have just not seen things from my side of the playground and I can't blame them for that. At the very least, hope my posts give them some other perspective to consider.

If America, the great innovator and the model country for all others to look up to has truly arrived at that point in it's history when the color of a person's skin, their gender, religion or sexual orientation is no longer a barrier, then let AA be repealed. However it falls, you guys are gonna have to deal with the consequences that arise whatever they may be, so no skin of my back.
 
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Emory15 said:
Can someone please answer my question, though? It will be greatly appreciated. 😍
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It will take at least a few years before other public universities follow suit and even longer until private universities are effected. Moreover, there will probably be a separate battle for specialty minority programs (i.e. PRIME-LC)

All this ruling will do is make it so that public universities cannot explicitly set quotas. It will obviously have broader implications so it will take time. Enforcement will also take some time.

The change will not happen overnight.


On a side note:
Normally I stay out of these discussions but I felt obligated to answer since the OP asked a simple question and got 20 replies of flame, debates, and other useless garbage.

This is a legitimate question. Why are people berating the OP for this question. Can you honestly say that if you were an URM you would NOT be curious? I am not saying dependent, I am saying curious. Its like when people ask if they can get into a medical school because of in-state status/academic record/any other detail. They are not trying to validate, argue for, or excuse something, they are just curious because it has a major impact on their future.

I am a ORM that is against racial AA but the responses to this thread were nevertheless inappropriate.
 
My GPA is decently sufficient to get in, even without URM status; however, it has always been a safety net for me. I think it's pretty f***** up that three-quarters of the way through my $50K/year education this might no longer be a possibility. If I would have known about this previously, I would have stayed enrolled in the state school where I completed my dual-enrollment program in high school (at which I maintained a 4.0 with 30 semester hours). I chose Emory U because I wanted a substantial challenge, but now I might be regretting it. I should have taken the easy way out.
 
Post # 23 addressed the issue head on.

There will be social outrage by rich--media-driven-minority-advocates. Protests. Then the rug will be pulled out from under entitled people groups who rely on antiquated social justice policies.


DrDoVerryLittle said:
No.

It will take at least a few years before other public universities follow suit and even longer until private universities are effected. Moreover, there will probably be a separate battle for specialty minority programs (i.e. PRIME-LC)

All this ruling will do is make it so that public universities cannot explicitly set quotas. It will obviously have broader implications so it will take time. Enforcement will also take some time.

The change will not happen overnight.


On a side note:
Normally I stay out of these discussions but I felt obligated to answer since the OP asked a simple question and got 20 replies of flame, debates, and other useless garbage.

This is a legitimate question. Why are people berating the OP for this question. Can you honestly say that if you were an URM you would NOT be curious? I am not saying dependent, I am saying curious. Its like when people ask if they can get into a medical school because of in-state status/academic record/any other detail. They are not trying to validate, argue for, or excuse something, they are just curious because it has a major impact on their future.

I am a ORM that is against racial AA but the responses to this thread were nevertheless inappropriate.
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Emory. Your last post highlights the issues with AA and why it should be repealed. Your "sefety net" analogy was very telling. Looks like you may be on the same playing field as everyone else now.

I also took a harder route doing engineering at a tough school. That was my choice and I have risen to the challenge. Sounds like you have too. GL
 
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Please moderators lock this. There should be a policy on pre-allo about how often people can make URM/AA related threads. The arguments are not even civilized.
 
I agree, my question has been answered. The thread should be locked.
 
Emory15 said:
I agree, my question has been answered. The thread should be locked.
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Booo! (throws popcorn at you) You're no fun! I want the muckraking, and the all out mano-a-mano... I've provided this entertainment before. I now demand to be entertained!!!
 
DHURT said:
Pretty sure you lost any credibility you may have had...
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Not sure what you mean. The second quote was my question to someone. Obviously, I'm naive in medicine because I'm not in medical school yet. The question may sound silly to you, since you have more medical expertise than me. For me, I'm just curious since I found it a bit odd initially. That quote has nothing to do with the discussion here.

lobo12 said:
Please moderators lock this. There should be a policy on pre-allo about how often people can make URM/AA related threads. The arguments are not even civilized.
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Agreed. Final post before the :lock:down
 
Freesia88 said:
So I'm literally sitting here with a bag of pop corn and a cherry slushie from Target guys...Gonna sit this one out. :laugh:

BTW, a ruling isn't expected until June next year I think...
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I hate cherry, so I bought grape Twizzlers and a red bull.

Let's go!!
 
Emory15 said:
My GPA is decently sufficient to get in, even without URM status; however, it has always been a safety net for me. I think it's pretty f***** up that three-quarters of the way through my $50K/year education this might no longer be a possibility. If I would have known about this previously, I would have stayed enrolled in the state school where I completed my dual-enrollment program in high school (at which I maintained a 4.0 with 30 semester hours). I chose Emory U because I wanted a substantial challenge, but now I might be regretting it. I should have taken the easy way out.
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wow, wah wah. I am sure there are plenty of premeds with straight 4.0's from Emory. Should have worked harder, brodog. What are you going to do, anyway? Sue SCOTUS?

Besides, the point wasn't to give you a personal safety-net.
 
My thoughts are that medical schools and universities will still want diversity either way and will find a way to go around any ruling like California does. I mean technically AA was ruled illegal in california, but if you live and go to school here, you know they are still secretly using AA.
 
Yeeeee haawww can't wait till this one gets revved up. Good entertainment while I study for my exams this week
 
Freesia88 said:
:laugh:

I sit here cleaning my samurai sword, fondly thinking about the many times it hacked you to bits 😉

Until we clash again old friend (and I have no doubt we will...soon)
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Really?? I recall you being irradiated by my Nuke but it seems you've survived. I better enrich more uranium
 
Hemorrage said:
Really?? I recall you being irradiated by my Nuke but it seems you've survived. I better enrich more uranium
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I'm a girl Ninja-scientist. All the radiation from nukes do to my type is give us the ability to turn into raging hulks who crush puny creatures like you under the heels of our power stilettos.:meanie:
 
Freesia88 said:
I'm a girl Ninja-scientist. All the radiation from nukes do to my type is give us the ability to turn into raging hulks who crush puny creatures like you under the heels of our power stilettos.:meanie:
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go on...
 
I don't think that AA is on trial here. After reviewing the questions the supreme court justices were asking I believe what is on trial is whether the program in which the top 10% of high school seniors in the state of Texas get admissions to Texas schools. This program was put in to create diversity by making sure high school seniors in areas more highly represented by minorities are heading to Texas colleges. From reading the questions and the tone in which they were delivered I believe this program will be struck down. Usually decisions take a few months to be handed down but what I don't believe what will happen is that the judges will rule outside the scope of this particular case.

Now if they do vote beyond the scope of the case I wouldn't be too surprised. This will affect both private and public colleges and will undoubtedly work its way up to graduate schools. The fact they even heard this case only 9 years after ruling on a similar case and the student had an SAT score that was below the threshold for acceptance shows at the most there is some kind of agenda and at the least the judges feel this is constitutionally wrong. This student has graduated from LSU already and so the injuries that she could recoup from this decision is the 100 dollar application fee she submitted. Interestingly, Clarence Thomas one of the supreme court justices who will probably vote against the program is often criticized for taking advantage of similar AA programs throughout his career. Here is what I read about him.

The Supreme Court justice placed a 15-cent price tag from a cigar box on his Yale law school diploma. Quoting Thomas' book, Harris-Perry said he put the price tag on his diploma because he felt "that affirmative action made his law degree worthless." Harris-Perry also said that Thomas said he believed he was rejected from jobs he applied to after law school because of a "taint of racial prejudice," brought about by what he characterized as potential employers' beliefs that he was only admitted to Yale because of his race.

Here is a direct quote

"there is a 'moral [and] constitutional equivalence' between laws designed to subjugate a race and those that distribute benefits on the basis of race in order to foster some current notion of equality. Government cannot make us equal; it can only recognize, respect, and protect us as equal before the law. That [affirmative action] programs may have been motivated, in part, by good intentions cannot provide refuge from the principle that under our Constitution, the government may not make distinctions on the basis of race.

In the end one the judges recused herself so this could be a 4-4 tie in which they will just go back to a lower court's ruling. That ruling was this program would stand. Whether you believe AA is right or wrong the court's duty is to uphold the constitution and AA can definitely be described as unconstitutional.
 
MuAgonist said:
My thoughts are that medical schools and universities will still want diversity either way and will find a way to go around any ruling like California does. I mean technically AA was ruled illegal in california, but if you live and go to school here, you know they are still secretly using AA.
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Evidence?
 
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