if you could do it all over again, would you?

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I stole this thread from the general residency forum, but wanted opinions from anesthesiology residents/attendings. I'm pre-med, and have had physicians tell me they wouldn't do it again, and have heard the exact opposite from others, but i've never really met an unhappy anesthesiologist, which is primarily why I'm interested in the specialty and ask questions on this forum. So anyways, do you have any regrets, and would you do it all over again if you could?
 
I regret not switching earlier to anesthesiology.

None whatsoever. I can't believe that I get paid to do something I truly enjoy doing.
 
no way no how. Would go into business working towards being CEO. You have to remember , premeds are the best college students as far as GPA is concerned. Pre meds can step up to any plate and grand slam it! We were the bomb!
 
seth03 said:
I stole this thread from the general residency forum, but wanted opinions from anesthesiology residents/attendings. I'm pre-med, and have had physicians tell me they wouldn't do it again, and have heard the exact opposite from others, but i've never really met an unhappy anesthesiologist, which is primarily why I'm interested in the specialty and ask questions on this forum. So anyways, do you have any regrets, and would you do it all over again if you could?

Great question, Dude. I like my job. I have high job satisfaction, am good at what I do, make great $$, and have plenty of time off. But your question was, if I had to do it all over again, would I do something besides medicine? Geez, bro, thats deep. Made me think. I agree with one of the posts that said pre-meds, at least the serious ones, can tackle any genre and succeed. SO....lawyer? Nah. CEO/investment banker/ analyst? Business dude? I can't see myself being happier doing some high profile job than what I've achieved in this line of work.

Personally, since I came from an airline family, the only other line of work I could see being happy at would be flying an F-18 for Uncle Sam or a 747 for UPS. But my family is so important to me that the time away from home would suck, so I'm glad I didnt take that route. Flying is a rush that I enjoy, and I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much if I made my living doing it.

SO, the answer to your question, dude, is.....(drum roll please)....I wouldn't change a thing.

BUT...the nights SUCK! I hate nights. Once I get to that magical monetary number I've got in my head that I can retire on, I'm walking away. 😀
 
JetProp,

That is an interesting subject you inadvertantly brought up. Since this is all generally anonymous, what kind of $$ can an anesthesiologist save (assuming you are prudent), and what is a good, REALISTIC number to retire on (assume you start with nothing like myself, and I owe a good 200K).
 
Buckeyedoc said:
JetProp,

That is an interesting subject you inadvertantly brought up. Since this is all generally anonymous, what kind of $$ can an anesthesiologist save (assuming you are prudent), and what is a good, REALISTIC number to retire on (assume you start with nothing like myself, and I owe a good 200K).

Great question, Buckeye. I was in your exact situation outta residency, owing almost 200k.
If you haven't read "The Millionaire Next Door", you need to read it. Basically it says that the less money you burn, the quicker you develop wealth.

I'm kinda a middle of the road dude when it comes to saving. I've got a buddy who has been in private practice since 1992. He hit the jackpot with a job in a middle-size town, cranking in about 1.2 mil for 4 years until the hospital closed. Now he's at a surgery center (cush job) making about 350 k. Those wealth years he had allowed him to build a big pot, but it doesnt really matter, since he still has the first dime he ever made. He drove the Honda CRX he had as a resident for 14 years. The dudes at Midas cussed at him every time he came in with his jalopy to get a new muffler, since it had a lifetime warranty. :laugh: (true story, folks).

Me, I'm not a hoarder, but I don't live beyond my means. I lived in a small town for the first 7.5 years outta residency. It was a sacrifice in lifestyle, since there was not alot to do where I lived. But living there enabled me to pay off ALL my debt relatively quickly, and put a buncha money in the bank. I was then able to move where my boss (read wife) wanted to live, which benefitted everyone. We have a 2 year old who will grow up with my wife's loving family around him, something I didnt have as a child. So now the boss is happy, I'm happy, and my kids are happy.

Unlike my buddy, I spend some of my income. I'm a pilot, which is a pretty expensive hobby. But it adds to my life, I can afford it, and its alot quicker and more convenient than the airlines when I wanna go to Pensacola or wherever.

How much can one save? All depends on your income and how much you burn. The key is to live below your means for a long period of time. Its easy to burn ALOT. Just ask MC Hammer, who burned through 40 million cash money.
Living below your means does not equal poverty. I live below my means, but I live a cush life by any standard. Again, the key is to spend less than you earn.

Your last question is a good one. If one makes 500K a year, one can easily save 100K a year, on top of what ever tax deferred accounts the practice offers- right now the maximum one can save in a tax deferred account is in the mid forties annually. If one makes 650-700K a year, its pretty easy to save 200K a year on top of the tax deferred stuff.

Whats a good amount to retire on? My magic number is five mil.
 
jetproppilot said:
Great question, Buckeye. I was in your exact situation outta residency, owing almost 200k.
If you haven't read "The Millionaire Next Door", you need to read it. Basically it says that the less money you burn, the quicker you develop wealth.

I'm kinda a middle of the road dude when it comes to saving. I've got a buddy who has been in private practice since 1992. He hit the jackpot with a job in a middle-size town, cranking in about 1.2 mil for 4 years until the hospital closed. Now he's at a surgery center (cush job) making about 350 k. Those wealth years he had allowed him to build a big pot, but it doesnt really matter, since he still has the first dime he ever made. He drove the Honda CRX he had as a resident for 14 years. The dudes at Midas cussed at him every time he came in with his jalopy to get a new muffler, since it had a lifetime warranty. :laugh: (true story, folks).

Me, I'm not a hoarder, but I don't live beyond my means. I lived in a small town for the first 7.5 years outta residency. It was a sacrifice in lifestyle, since there was not alot to do where I lived. But living there enabled me to pay off ALL my debt relatively quickly, and put a buncha money in the bank. I was then able to move where my boss (read wife) wanted to live, which benefitted everyone. We have a 2 year old who will grow up with my wife's loving family around him, something I didnt have as a child. So now the boss is happy, I'm happy, and my kids are happy.

Unlike my buddy, I spend some of my income. I'm a pilot, which is a pretty expensive hobby. But it adds to my life, I can afford it, and its alot quicker and more convenient than the airlines when I wanna go to Pensacola or wherever.

How much can one save? All depends on your income and how much you burn. The key is to live below your means for a long period of time. Its easy to burn ALOT. Just ask MC Hammer, who burned through 40 million cash money.
Living below your means does not equal poverty. I live below my means, but I live a cush life by any standard. Again, the key is to spend less than you earn.

Your last question is a good one. If one makes 500K a year, one can easily save 100K a year, on top of what ever tax deferred accounts the practice offers- right now the maximum one can save in a tax deferred account is in the mid forties annually. If one makes 650-700K a year, its pretty easy to save 200K a year on top of the tax deferred stuff.

Whats a good amount to retire on? My magic number is five mil.

call me a skeptic but who really makes 650-750K these days much less 500K...we all here about it on the board..however, I am HOPING that when I get out that I will make somewhere close to that...it would be nice...I have friends that make a combined household income of close to 150K and you'd think they were making money hand over first the way they live and how they spend...I mean house, 2 nice cars, expensive vacations..where does it all come from? I'm thinking they are digging themselves into a massive financial grave :idea:
 
GMO2003 said:
call me a skeptic but who really makes 650-750K these days much less 500K...we all here about it on the board..however, I am HOPING that when I get out that I will make somewhere close to that...it would be nice...I have friends that make a combined household income of close to 150K and you'd think they were making money hand over first the way they live and how they spend...I mean house, 2 nice cars, expensive vacations..where does it all come from? I'm thinking they are digging themselves into a massive financial grave :idea:


first of all he was just giving an example regarding savings and income, not official salary data

second...thank you so much jetpropilot for your awesome post. It's inspiring in my opinion, and its always good to hear how things are going from someone who's as enthused about being a physician as you are. Seriously, you really don't know how much it means to me. It's a decision that "pre-meds" are going to be stuck with for the rest of their lives. its a huge sacrifice on time and money, and I want to make damn sure that I'm at least not going to be miserable in the end. It sucks hearing from other doctors to stay away and choose something else when its early...when medicine is the only thing that interests you and keeps you motivated. But I'm grateful for your info-packed posts and presence on this forum.
 
seth03 said:
first of all he was just giving an example regarding savings and income, not official salary data

second...thank you so much jetpropilot for your awesome post. It's inspiring in my opinion, and its always good to hear how things are going from someone who's as enthused about being a physician as you are. Seriously, you really don't know how much it means to me. It's a decision that "pre-meds" are going to be stuck with for the rest of their lives. its a huge sacrifice on time and money, and I want to make damn sure that I'm at least not going to be miserable in the end. It sucks hearing from other doctors to stay away and choose something else when its early...when medicine is the only thing that interests you and keeps you motivated. But I'm grateful for your info-packed posts and presence on this forum.

if medicine is the only thing that interests you and keeps you motivated...well, I'd put a bullet in my head or start downing some anti-depressants...dealing with the BS patients and the overal $hit of day to day medicine is enough to turn any sane person into Denzel in the movie Man on Fire :meanie:
 
GMO2003 said:
if medicine is the only thing that interests you and keeps you motivated...well, I'd put a bullet in my head or start downing some anti-depressants...dealing with the BS patients and the overal $hit of day to day medicine is enough to turn any sane person into Denzel in the movie Man on Fire :meanie:


Thats just one more reason to head for gas. Let the IM team figure out all of the obfuscating social mire.
 
VentdependenT said:
Thats just one more reason to head for gas. Let the IM team figure out all of the obfuscating social mire.

"Obfuscating social mire". That is truly great.
 
Broadly speaking medicine can be a brutal field. Malignant personalities, daily inundation of watching sick people get sicker while trapped in filthy hospitals, dealing with pt mismanagement, having to cover your tail at every corner, exerting considerable irreplaceable time and effort in expediting porcine blobs through the system to get em off to the next dumping zone (hello long term care nursing facility/VENT facility...yikes!), paper work up the wazoo, malpractice discrepencies, poor compensation, having to cringe while GOMERS get 50,000 dollar workups and build up massive multistrain abx resistance because the entire health care ethical situation is out of control, should I elaborate further?

Find a field you could be happy with and go for it. Although anesthesiology doesn't eleminate these detractors it does mollify them. Do my job solidly, get in, get out, go home, good bye.

Sorry bout the devil's advocate position but I couldn't help myself. Yes there are times where I find medicine to be rewarding but most of time I feel completely underwhelmed by my efforts.
 
seth03 said:
I stole this thread from the general residency forum, but wanted opinions from anesthesiology residents/attendings. I'm pre-med, and have had physicians tell me they wouldn't do it again, and have heard the exact opposite from others, but i've never really met an unhappy anesthesiologist, which is primarily why I'm interested in the specialty and ask questions on this forum. So anyways, do you have any regrets, and would you do it all over again if you could?

Since you are still a pre-med, I would suggest that you take a look at this page:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/premed-advice.htm
to put a few things into perspective.
 
IF i were 18 knowing what i know now. I would walk away in a fukking hearbeat.. By the way jetpropilot you never answered my private message.. DId you take the orals. What is the key to passing those. I have them late summer..

at anyrate. I cant see anyone going into medicine now.. People are still going into it because of the legacy behind it. How doctors had an easy life. They did.. back in the 70s and early 80s. They freakin could make 300 k without even trying. Like 4 days a week. Orthopods would make that doing like 5 procedures a week. NOw inorder to make the cash you have to literally break your ass and hoard all the cases that you can. Thats why surgery is bad specialty. It used to be you could do 4 hernias a week and that was ok. And let the other surgeons do the other hernias. Now you have to do all the hernias to make a living. The other surgeons are thinking t he same thing and there is not enough work for all of them especially in big cities..so a lot of them go into a side business to supplement their income. Not to mention the poor work environment, the stress, the constant studying, anxiety, unstableness. horrible. Think very hard. IF you worked half as hard just studying market conditions every single day and made that your job youw ould be a millionaire..

It will take 2 or 3 generations of doctors warding off their family members and friends for medicine to become unpopular.. Kind of like dentistry. Legend still has it that dental work is painful, but there is painless dentistry out there and it took a couple of generations of good dentistry to make people believe that..
 
Everyday I daydream about what else I could be doing: owning a subway sandwich place, running a strip club, etc.

Devil's Advocate:

There are stresses and things that suck about other fields. A friend of mine who is a CFA for an investment house really hates his job because of all the stress to produce and the malignant personalities in his firm. Problem is that in this economic situation we are in, really good finance jobs are difficult to come by. A recent Tribune article featured middle aged managers and CFOs who are unemployed and cannot find similar positions out there. In the past, a laid off manager could usually get another managerial position after a couple of months. However, many now have been unemployed or underemployed for several years. As a result, some are having to work retail while they retool their resumes or go back to school. Imagine being in your 40s and 50s, the prime earning years, and being unemployed or underemployed. That would suck.

Don't get me wrong. I probably wouldn't go into medicine again if I had the choice. The problem is that I'm not sure what I would do instead. I thought about being a high school teacher but unless you work with really highly motivated kids, that could suck too. Dealing with parents would also be quite a headache. High school athletic coach? same thing. job security is an issue too if you don't produce wins in today's winning is everything environment.

I guess there is no dream job. My motto remains "choose the field that is the least annoying." Or win the lottery.
 
I would go into medicine if I had to do it all over again. Everything has its ups and downs. Medicine is no different. I was drawn to medicine because I loved science. That love is still there. I must admit that it has been tested, recently. An MD/JD once told me that he preferred medicine to law because medicine was win win. The doctor as well as the patient could be happy with the outcome. In the legal arena someone had to lose. This came from a guy who made millions practicing law.

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