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I know I'll get flamed for this, but if you could only pick 5, which schools would you pick? I'm strapped for cash and could not find the MSAR for DO schools at my library. I do believe The Princeton Review had some information about DO programs, but I wasn't 100%. I'm not asking for rankings or anything like that, but maybe some + and -'s of certain schools.

So far, it seems like Kirksville in MO, CCOM, PCOM are the 3 good schools I've read about.
 
I know I'll get flamed for this, but if you could only pick 5, which schools would you pick? I'm strapped for cash and could not find the MSAR for DO schools at my library. I do believe The Princeton Review had some information about DO programs, but I wasn't 100%. I'm not asking for rankings or anything like that, but maybe some + and -'s of certain schools.

So far, it seems like Kirksville in MO, CCOM, PCOM are the 3 good schools I've read about.

MY top 5 choices in no particular order

1. Western
2. Des Moines
3. AZCOM
4. PCOM
5. NYCOM/Touro-CA

notice the bolded word "MY." this list will be completely different for nearly every other person applying. if you've only got 5 schools to work with, it is critical for you to do your research. you have to know with out a doubt that 1) you are competitive and 2) you could see yourself going there/you think you will enjoy your education. the only way to know those things are to a) visit the campuses if they are near by or b) start talkign to faculty, professors, students, etc. about the campus and the environment. start browsing school websites, look for info regarding things that are important to you, etc.
 
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I know I'll get flamed for this, but if you could only pick 5, which schools would you pick? I'm strapped for cash and could not find the MSAR for DO schools at my library. I do believe The Princeton Review had some information about DO programs, but I wasn't 100%. I'm not asking for rankings or anything like that, but maybe some + and -'s of certain schools.

So far, it seems like Kirksville in MO, CCOM, PCOM are the 3 good schools I've read about.

It really depends on where you want to live, the type of environment you are looking for, class size, how long the school has been operating etc. As far as which schools are established (I believe that's what you were hinting at):
-PCOM
-CCOM
-KCOM
-DMU
-OSUCOM
etc ...

Any DO school will offer you a solid medical education, it just depends on what you are looking for in a school.
 
Both PCOMs
CCOM
TCOM
NSU
Touro-NY

I would prefer to go to med school in a major city. Not that it would necessarily be a huge advantage, but it might be. But that's just my preference.

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I'd probably pick DMU, CCOM, PCOM, NSU/UNECOM(tied to me), KCOM and TCOM. I know that is 6, but those are the top ones to me. All the schools are pretty equal though.
 
1. Azcom
2. TUNCOM
3. Kcom
4. Western
5. Ccom
 
My top choices thus far is:
1. UNECOM
2. PCOM-GA
3. KCUMB/DMU
4. NSU-COM
5. LECOM-Erie
 
My top choices thus far is:
1. UNECOM
2. PCOM-GA
3. KCUMB/DMU
4. NSU-COM
5. LECOM-Erie

Honestly. PCOM-GA made your list, lecom-pa made your list. but PCOM philly didn't?

Your list gets: 👎thumbdown
 
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LOL Your funny. I don't care what you think of my list that's why I called MY LIST. I don't want to live in Philly and I don't like PBL, so any idiot armed with that information would understand I am not going to choose those schools.
 
MrMattOglesby's List (in order of preference):

  1. Nova Southeastern
  2. AT Still - Arizona (and hopefully get a Hawaii community health center)
  3. Western
  4. LECOM - Bradenton
  5. AZCOM

*note: I am also applying to Touro-CA & NV schools, as well as GA-PCOM. I would be quite content at them as well.
 
LOL Your funny. I don't care what you think of my list that's why I called MY LIST. I don't want to live in Philly and I don't like PBL, so any idiot armed with that information would understand I am not going to choose those schools.


Ignore him. Gotta love that he can critique your list but not give a list of his own.

As for "MY" list:

Touro-Henderson
PNWU
The new school that will be built in lebanon,OR (first class 2012, when I hope to be marticulating)
CCOM
PCOM-Philly

As one can take from my list, geographic region is my #1 concern, the last two are very well respected large city programs where I could probably take a bit more from my clinicals.

Also until I interview and actually experience the campus, these are FAR from set in stone.
 
Interesting...I guess it's all personal preference.
 
i think you got the point. it IS personal preference.
btw thanks for making this thread, it was kinda fun to jot down a list. Kinda felt like handing a Xmas wish list to your parents (to give to Santa).
-matt
 
In no particular order:

1. WVSOM (my state school)
2. NOVA (great location, established school, other health sciences at school)
3. AT Still - SOMA (love the idea of the CHC's ... )
(Hawaii, Brooklyn, Portland .... )

If I added two more ... tough choice ...

4. PCOM
5. Touro NY
 
As you can see, selecting a top 5 is a completely subjective process. Some things to take into account:

1.) Location of School- Are you comfortable living there for 4 years. Are you going to have to relocate. Do you have any family in the surrounding area. Do you have a significant other. Are you going to be moving your family.

2.) Style of Education- Lecture or PBL, Systems based teaching, number of tests, clinical opportunites, research available. You know how you are as a student. Definitely take these into account.

3.) Student Population- Do you feel you'll be able to get along with your classmates. Are they like you? These are people who will become colleagues later in life. They will send you patients and you will send them referralls or even rely on them for personal help. Make sure you fit in well with them.

4.) Rotation Sites- This is a biggy for me. Are you going to have to relocate to do your rotations. There are a lot of good schools that unfortunately have not established rotation sites close to school for all of your core rotations.

5.) Match List- I think this is is important, other don't. I think it depends on what you would like to specialize in. For those who are interested in surgery or higher sub specialities then the school's match list may be important. For those who are interested in primary care, it may not matter as much.

6.) Equipment and Buildings- Some schools have nicer/newer equipment than others. Although this isn't a necessity, I do believe it is an added bonus. For example, PCOM has this amazing patient simulator that you get to develop a lot of your clinical knowledge with.

7.) Costs!!! Pretty self explanatory.

These are just a few things to take into consideration when choosing a school. this is not the concrete guildline to deciding on which school to choose. In fact, as you will see, people will respond both positively and negatively to this post with either their personal agreements or disagreement, which brings this post full circle. It is a completely subjective process.
 
Ignore him. Gotta love that he can critique your list but not give a list of his own.

As for "MY" list:

Touro-Henderson
PNWU
The new school that will be built in lebanon,OR (first class 2012, when I hope to be marticulating)
CCOM
PCOM-Philly

As one can take from my list, geographic region is my #1 concern, the last two are very well respected large city programs where I could probably take a bit more from my clinicals.

Also until I interview and actually experience the campus, these are FAR from set in stone.


LOL I did. That's pretty much my thing is the location of the school. PNWU and RVU are also on my list. Is there a specific website that I can go to learn more about this new school in OR???
 
My top list changes almost all the time. However, these are the schools that usually stay in the top 5.

1) AZCOM
2) PNWU
3) KCOM
4) TUNCOM
5) ATSU-SOMA/TUCOM-CA

No matter where I attend, when I graduate I will be called "doctor". If I am going to spend four years some place, I would like it to be in an area where I can be active. I want a place that I can balance the enormous amount of school work with an aggressive amount of play. BALANCE is key for me. -Academics, does the program teach the way I like to learn?
-Access to Exercise and variety, cycling, swimming, running trails...
-Spirituality is there a strong church in the area or on campus?
-Community, are there opportunities to serve the community via school functions
and most importantly, Family, will my family have things to do while I am in school, will they be intellectually, physically and spiritually stimulated. Is there a strong support group?
The schools I picked thus far score well, but not in every area. Seems hard to find a school that is firing on all four cylinders. hehehe No matter where I end up, I am going to make the best of the situation. 😀
 
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LECOM-Erie
all other schools suck

what's that? why yes i did already commit to go to LECOM-Erie...no i'm not biased at all.

/in reality it's personal preference, given the choice would i have gone other places? maybe, but then again maybe not. everyone has their favorite schools, and there are plenty of people who don't like them. i didn't even bother applying to lecom-b (don't like pbl) or pcom (don't like philly).
 
LECOM-Erie
all other schools suck

what's that? why yes i did already commit to go to LECOM-Erie...no i'm not biased at all.

/in reality it's personal preference, given the choice would i have gone other places? maybe, but then again maybe not. everyone has their favorite schools, and there are plenty of people who don't like them. i didn't even bother applying to lecom-b (don't like pbl) or pcom (don't like philly).

Hrm.. I know that LECOM-E has LDL, but it does have PBL as well. You know that right? I'm sure you can choose between the two, but just so you're aware.

http://my.lecom.edu/lecom/application/PBL.asp

Have fun.
 
Hrm.. I know that LECOM-E has LDL, but it does have PBL as well. You know that right? I'm sure you can choose between the two, but just so you're aware.

http://my.lecom.edu/lecom/application/PBL.asp

Have fun.

yeah i'm well aware. when you are at the interview you choose which path you want and then are accepted into one of them. i chose LDP (lecture discussion pathway) first, ISP (independent study pathway) second and PBL last. and then got accepted into LDP, so i never have to deal w/ PBL. you know which pathway you're going to be before you even accept the acceptance. nothing against pbl, just not the way i learn best
 
yeah i'm well aware. when you are at the interview you choose which path you want and then are accepted into one of them. i chose LDP (lecture discussion pathway) first, ISP (independent study pathway) second and PBL last. and then got accepted into LDP, so i never have to deal w/ PBL. you know which pathway you're going to be before you even accept the acceptance. nothing against pbl, just not the way i learn best

This is more of a devil's advocate thing than anything, but have you done lots of PBL to know it isn't the way you learn best? Make sure you don't confuse comfort and performance. You never feel like you learn a lot in PBL until you get into real world applications with it. Stuff that becomes a natural thought progression with you is just a grouping of crudely linked ideas for most lecture stuff. Once again, I don't really care..more of a devil's advocate thing.
 
LOL I did. That's pretty much my thing is the location of the school. PNWU and RVU are also on my list. Is there a specific website that I can go to learn more about this new school in OR???


http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2008/01/15/news/top_story/6aaa01_hospital.txt

http://www.lebanon-express.com/articles/2008/01/17/news/top_story/story_topmedschool.txt

There are other threads if you search on the osteopathic forum discussing it. As you can see the gazette says first class 2011, but I also distinctly remember reading first class 2012. It seems like everything is still a bit up in the air as of right now.

It will be a division of Western though, so figure on the same min GPA/MCAT scores.
 
yeah i'm well aware. when you are at the interview you choose which path you want and then are accepted into one of them. i chose LDP (lecture discussion pathway) first, ISP (independent study pathway) second and PBL last. and then got accepted into LDP, so i never have to deal w/ PBL. you know which pathway you're going to be before you even accept the acceptance. nothing against pbl, just not the way i learn best

Ok cool. I was sure you were aware they had a PBL pathway, I just wanted to clarify for the other readers. Good luck up in Erie!
 
This is more of a devil's advocate thing than anything, but have you done lots of PBL to know it isn't the way you learn best? Make sure you don't confuse comfort and performance. You never feel like you learn a lot in PBL until you get into real world applications with it. Stuff that becomes a natural thought progression with you is just a grouping of crudely linked ideas for most lecture stuff. Once again, I don't really care..more of a devil's advocate thing.


i had one class in undergrad that was "pbl" although i'm not sure how authentic it was. i also went and sat in on a pbl session when i was there last year. it might be beneficial if i gave it some time, but for me, what it comes down to is that i know lectures work, i don't know about pbl. and 1st year of med school isn't where i want to be experimenting with learning styles. like i said, nothing against it, i know a lot of people that swear by it, just not my thing. 🙂
 
Ok cool. I was sure you were aware they had a PBL pathway, I just wanted to clarify for the other readers. Good luck up in Erie!

make sense, i can see how it's confusing. thanks for the luck, best of luck to you as you continue on as well
 
OP where are you from? What are you interests in medicine(primary care, research, dont know yet, etc.). What type of area are you interested in living in? Do you wanna stay close to home. If you can only apply to 5 schools i would apply to schools that you think will most likely accept you' I would not apply to schools that take mostly in state students if you are out of state(osu-com, ou-com, tcom, pcom, maybe more). If you are from the south or appalachia i would apply to VCOM, DCOM,WVSOM,PCSOM, and PCOM-GA. (KCOM and KCUMB like southerners too).

Here were my top 5
PCOM-"perception" that it is the best DO school, solid all around school
KCOM- the people here were really cool.
KCUMB- solid all around school. liked the curriculum. KC is an alright town.
VCOM- i liked blacksburg alot. the school wasnt that impressive(except for the view in the anatomy lab)
NOVA-location.
 
The school in Lebanon is going to be a branch of Western. I will be coming back to Oregon asap but couldn't wait for the Lebanon school so I am off to Pomona in a week!
 
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The school in Lebanon is going to be a branch of Western. I will be coming back to Oregon asap but couldn't wait for the Lebanon school so I am off to Pomona in a week!

I'll be applying/interviewing the year your finishing up your 3rd year (1st year clinicals) with the NW track. If you're still active on SDN, at that point, I'd like to hear your end of 1st year opinion on the NW track.
 
1. Azcom
2. Ccom
3. Dmu
4. Umdnj
5. Pcom
 
http://www.gazettetimes.com/articles/2008/01/15/news/top_story/6aaa01_hospital.txt

http://www.lebanon-express.com/articles/2008/01/17/news/top_story/story_topmedschool.txt

There are other threads if you search on the osteopathic forum discussing it. As you can see the gazette says first class 2011, but I also distinctly remember reading first class 2012. It seems like everything is still a bit up in the air as of right now.

It will be a division of Western though, so figure on the same min GPA/MCAT scores.

Thanx for the information. I would love to apply to this school but I think it will show a strict geographical preference which doesnt include Nevada and definitely not South Carolina.
 
In order:
1. MSUCOM
2. DMUCOM
3. CCOM
4. KCOM
5. NSUCOM

Go State! (and blue)
 
Honestly. PCOM-GA made your list, lecom-pa made your list. but PCOM philly didn't?

Your list gets: 👎thumbdown

I hate these discussions, because they usually have no logic to it. They are like 5 or 6 people on this forum that hype pcom- philliy up and make it sound like it is the best school, and many people on this forum chose to listen, and believe them. Which annoys the hell out of me. Most people will agree that schools are ranked in 2 groups old and new. The new schools have more risk due to uncertainty of clinicals, unsure board preparation and scores, etc. But the gap is not that large.

Yes pcom is great school, but if someone honestly thinks that pcom will give anyone an advantage for lets say a school like DMU if you want to practice in CA, you are kidding your self. The chance of an allopathic residency director with an MD would even know the difference, and favor pcom over dmu is dillusional. If you go to an osteo resdency or have an osteo director, he would be bias and feel Western is the best. There is no difference between pcom, ccom, dmu, nycom, umdnj, kcom, western and what ever else school there is that is long standing. You can argue any one of those match list are better than the other. Yes i know 33 percent of students went to primary care from pcom. But does that necessarily mean that is better than the 45 percent at UMDNJ? No, because what if more students just wanted to go to primary care in UMDNJ?. They only pay 22k a year for tuition, that is a strong possibility. They are so many factor that go into a match list. Hey kcom was also 33% does that mean kcom and pcom are equal and tied 1st? No, because they are so many factor that go into a match list

Do you guys really think that they are no pcom grads that have to scramble, every school they do. There is no distinct advantage if you go to pcom unless you want to practice in the north east or philly area.

If you want to go by average mcat score, i would venture a guess that Western has the highest mcat, because of the difficulty of student in CA getting into a state school. Does that make western the best? No

The point is pick a place where you want to live and maybe practice. I will be nice to have experience with the demographics you will be dealing with throughout your professional life during rotations. If you wnat to practice in NY, NYCOM might give you a slight edge because it will be easier to audition at an residency and would really have to move. Same thing goes for Western if you want to live in CA, etc (You get the point). Pick a school that suits you, not what just a few people on the internet like to boast and make themselves feel good. I hope this knocked some sense into someone who is applying.

When alopathic schools are compared to each other, they are so many other factors that are compared like research and their own university hospitals. DO schools are more alike to each other and do more community medicine then academic.

+pissed+
 
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I think we have been through this before

I am going to LECOM-B so of course that would be everyone's top choice

...please people this is getting exhausting
 
I completely agree with you. That was the main purpose of my list, picking places where I can see myself practicing in and living there for a long time, maybe even permanenantly. But, just like pre-allo, you are going to have people picking schools based solely on popularity.
 
Just apply to the schools in the locations you like the most. I love how people in this forum talk up the non-competitive nature of Osteopathic schools and how the reputation of your school doesn't matter when you're seeking a residency - what matters is your clinical grades and board scores. Then they turn around and argue about why one school is better or more prestigious than another. Allopathic residency directors are not going care at all which DO school you went to. They'll lump you in with all the other DO graduates.

And anyway everyone just puts whatever school happened to accept them at the top of their list regardless of how good a school it is, as if by doing so they can single-handedly better the reputation of that school.
 
Allopathic residency directors are not going care at all which DO school you went to. They'll lump you in with all the other DO graduates.

That's not accurate. I have very little doubt that local allopathic programs will be more familiar and comfortable with a given local DO school than they will with some other DO schools across the country. Tons of people from DMU end up in IA, tons of people from CCOM end up in IL, etc etc. While part of this is undoubtedly due to med student familiarity with the area, I think it's reasonable to cede that part of it is also due to the local area's programs recruiting/being familiar with that school.

People always get so upset and whiney with these threads. If it's because you're tired of repeating the same thing, then just ignore them and let them slide down the page instead of bumping them up.
 
My list in no particular order:
1. nova
2. nycom
3. pcom
4. touro - ny
5. ccom

I prefer large cities, and have ties to NY and FL.
 
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That's not accurate. I have very little doubt that local allopathic programs will be more familiar and comfortable with a given local DO school than they will with some other DO schools across the country. Tons of people from DMU end up in IA, tons of people from CCOM end up in IL, etc etc. While part of this is undoubtedly due to med student familiarity with the area, I think it's reasonable to cede that part of it is also due to the local area's programs recruiting/being familiar with that school.

People always get so upset and whiney with these threads. If it's because you're tired of repeating the same thing, then just ignore them and let them slide down the page instead of bumping them up.

My only point is that there is no real difference between reputable schools, except the fact of their local areas. Its foolish to believe PCOM is the clearcut favorite, and it is better than every other school which is not true. You can make an argument for a few schools to be the "best school", it is all subjective to each applicant. I just get annoyed when people just hype their schools up to be the best, and some viewers who confused opinions with facts.

I do agree with you that the schools location does effect the location of your residency somewhat. Your school is probably affiliated with some DO friendly hospitals, you can rotate and audition there, etc. An applicant should look into where they could see themselves to live in.

For fun my top choices were,

1. NYCOM
2. UMDNJ (Would Be #1 if I can get IS tuition)
3. PCOM
4. CCOM
5. Western

Hey i like the north east, large cities and cali seems appealing 🙂
 
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1. Western
2. Touro CA (so close to home this is a close second)
3. PCOM
4. NSUCOM
5. NYCOM
 
I know some of you critized about doing this thread (or there have been other threads like this I don't know mainly because I am too lazy to check) but I actually like knowing about other applicants/future applicants top choices for medical school. But then again I love lists LOL😀😀😀
 
I know some of you critized about doing this thread (or there have been other threads like this I don't know mainly because I am too lazy to check) but I actually like knowing about other applicants/future applicants top choices for medical school. But then again I love lists LOL😀😀😀

Hey, lookie here, an actual honest reason. hehehe. Sometimes, going by what was posted two or three years ago doesnt really apply to this cycle. So I understand the need for repeating a post or two. This couldnt be any worse than the, What [ . . . ] are you bringing to med school (BTW I liked all 30 or so you made up TT...hehehe)
 
Hey, lookie here, an actual honest reason. hehehe. Sometimes, going by what was posted two or three years ago doesnt really apply to this cycle. So I understand the need for repeating a post or two. This couldnt be any worse than the, What [ . . . ] are you bringing to med school (BTW I liked all 30 or so you made up TT...hehehe)
I was going to say what are you doing up so late when I forgot I am not on the
Western coast so this is still early LOL
 
You don't want to know what ocho is doing up late.


If you must know, I was setting up my LARPing event. So far I have 100 spots and only one filled. Plus I was making Lightning Bolt Bags, and Haze powder to blind my opponent while I wield about my 8ft long broad sword. I am just having trouble with my cape, it wont stay out of the way when I am whipping my sword about. UGH, what to do what to do.

Would you like an invite to the first annual SDN LARPING EVENT?

I am hoping to get this thing going in such a way that the adcoms would come to the LARPing event and pick from the participants who will join their school. Oh man! I have a better idea! Why dont we get a "sorting hat" like the one in Harry Potter and it just sends us to the school we need. Right O Chap! I think thats the way we want to go. What do you think?
 
I hate these discussions, because they usually have no logic to it. They are like 5 or 6 people on this forum that hype pcom- philliy up and make it sound like it is the best school, and many people on this forum chose to listen, and believe them. Which annoys the hell out of me. Most people will agree that schools are ranked in 2 groups old and new. The new schools have more risk due to uncertainty of clinicals, unsure board preparation and scores, etc. But the gap is not that large.

Yes pcom is great school, but if someone honestly thinks that pcom will give anyone an advantage for lets say a school like DMU if you want to practice in CA, you are kidding your self. The chance of an allopathic residency director with an MD would even know the difference, and favor pcom over dmu is dillusional. If you go to an osteo resdency or have an osteo director, he would be bias and feel Western is the best. There is no difference between pcom, ccom, dmu, nycom, umdnj, kcom, western and what ever else school there is that is long standing. You can argue any one of those match list are better than the other. Yes i know 33 percent of students went to primary care from pcom. But does that necessarily mean that is better than the 45 percent at UMDNJ? No, because what if more students just wanted to go to primary care in UMDNJ?. They only pay 22k a year for tuition, that is a strong possibility. They are so many factor that go into a match list. Hey kcom was also 33% does that mean kcom and pcom are equal and tied 1st? No, because they are so many factor that go into a match list

Do you guys really think that they are no pcom grads that have to scramble, every school they do. There is no distinct advantage if you go to pcom unless you want to practice in the north east or philly area.

If you want to go by average mcat score, i would venture a guess that Western has the highest mcat, because of the difficulty of student in CA getting into a state school. Does that make western the best? No

The point is pick a place where you want to live and maybe practice. I will be nice to have experience with the demographics you will be dealing with throughout your professional life during rotations. If you wnat to practice in NY, NYCOM might give you a slight edge because it will be easier to audition at an residency and would really have to move. Same thing goes for Western if you want to live in CA, etc (You get the point). Pick a school that suits you, not what just a few people on the internet like to boast and make themselves feel good. I hope this knocked some sense into someone who is applying.

When alopathic schools are compared to each other, they are so many other factors that are compared like research and their own university hospitals. DO schools are more alike to each other and do more community medicine then academic.

+pissed+


The thing is the OP asked the question in such a way that he isn't asking for the bestest DO schoolz EVAZ!!! He is simply asking people's preference and many are providing it with their reasoning (geographic region being the popular reason for the decision).

I like this thread vs the previously similar ones posted in this forum.
 
The thing is the OP asked the question in such a way that he isn't asking for the bestest DO schoolz EVAZ!!! He is simply asking people's preference and many are providing it with their reasoning (geographic region being the popular reason for the decision).

I like this thread vs the previously similar ones posted in this forum.

Yea i know, my response wasn't directed to the OP. It is was more directed to the people who said i pick pcom since it is the best school, and the guy who is upset that pcom wasn't on someones list.

I just hate how a few people on the forum have hyped up pcom in so many peoples mind that generally everyone on the forum thinks it is the best. Where has anyone heard about pcom being the best school except on SDN.
 
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