If you get accepted with <3.3 Science GPA should you go to med school

[pathdr2b]

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First let me clarify. I am referring to <3.3 being the ONLY GPA you have NOT including grad school and postbacc work.

I have to strongly agrue that a person in this situation should delay a year and take additional science courses as a postbacc for 3 reasons:

1) I think the ability to maintain at least a 3.3 in the sciences is a good indication that reasonably consistent study habits are in place. Everone knows that the "issue" with medical school being difficult has more to do with the volume of work than the type of courses.

2) Even a person with a 35 on the MCAT with a <3.3 GPA I think may have a problem. Getting a score like this shows that a person can take a standardized test, a one time effort. Medical school is a marathon not a race so again, being able to maintain consistent study habits are key.

3) There is a correlation between GPA and performance on the USMLE step 1, 2, and 3.

Having said all this, I'm actually thankful I was not admitted many years ago with solid MCAT scores but a crappy undergad GPA. In my case I didn't develop good study habits until postbacc/graduate school. Now, I feel ready to matriculate into med school with a solid GPA and soon to be MCAT (😉 ) in place!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

you gradist! Limiting opportunities of minorities, non-minorities, and all in between by saying those that are accepted with sub 3.3 should not go!


😉

 

[Adcadet]

hey Path - yeah, I kindof agree, but I don't see why grad school or post-bacc can't count. I've learned more about time management in my grad program (MPH) than as an undergrad, as I've had to do jugle many more things while in grad school than as an undergrad (research/work mainly). I also got the fun experience of being presented with tons of info and being/having to decide what is valuable and worth studying.

 

[Gleevec]

There are plenty of reasons someone could have a low GPA and still do fine in med school. I think that med schools are critical and dismissive enough of an individual's stats that the applicant him/herself doesnt need to self-select themselves out of the pool. If med schools accept you, that means based on past experience they think you can handle the workload.

But I think in general no one should self-select themselves out of the applicant pool AFTER being accepted. In some cases, delaying your application can be beneficial, but I cant think of anyone who would want to reapply after being accepted somewhere.

 

[DarkChild]

ha!
its not your call. thats why schools have admissions committees. these are folks whose JOB it is to figure out who can and cannot hack it at their school. dont you think its a little impudent to try and do their job for them? if they decide joe schmoe with a 2.8 can get in - then they must be convinced that the person isnt going to bomb.
once more - a person is way more than their stats....

 

[manicmaven]

🙄
this is just dumb.

 

[Natalie03]

Yeah, I agree that this is an inane topic, but I'm compelled to put my 2 cents in. Inane because anyone who gets accepted isn't going to decline their acceptance because they feel that the adcom was wrong in accepting them due to having a science gpa <3.3.

Inane because this does not take into account the person who gets horrible grades in his/her first semester taking the toughest science classes possible at a school like MIT, Stanford, Harvard, etc. and goes on to consistently do well after learning through 4 years of improvement. This person may not have a high cumulative sci gpa, but will be just as prepared if not much much more than another candidate from Podunk Univ. who took 1 sci course per semester, 1 sci class every summer and got a great sci gpa. I mean, duh! MCAT's are useful partly to equalize over the spectrum of schools. I personally believe (no offense) that postbac's are for those who are desperate, did not challenge themselves like they should have during 4 long years, and don't feel they have had enough science classes to prepare them for the two yrs of basic sci in med school. Grad schools are for those who are interested in pursuing a PhD to do research and improve the human condition this route. I hope I speak for all those out there who may have gotten those first and last couple of C's their first year at a competitive school but ended with a bang of A's in their 3rd and 4th and don't appreciate having someone who (to me) seems a bit bitter about having to go through PB and grad after not getting accepted the first time around dicta... er, recommending he/she decline acceptance for the oh-so-descriptive <3.3 as-if-all-situations-were-the-same sci gpa.

Having said that, hope you are not too offended. I still admire someone so perseverant to get into med school as to go through all that extra schooling. Kudos and good luck!

 

[cabruen]

Thanks for the advice pathdr2b, but this kiddo with a 2.9 GPA, plans on being first in line at UT Southwestern's registration this fall and have framed my acceptance letter. Thank God for admissions committees.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally posted by cabruen
Thanks for the advice pathdr2b, but this kiddo with a 2.9 GPA, plans on being first in line at UT Southwestern's registration this fall and have framed my acceptance letter. Thank God for admissions committees.

hehehehehehehehehehehehe

I dare say that there is no medical school applicant in this cycle who is better than cabruen. No, I will say it. There is no applicant in this cycle that has a better application package than cabruen.

 

[cabruen]

Thanks Blitz. but I have three letters for you Jot. Not only is he an outstanding candidate on paper, but after having talked to him several times, I have discover what an excellent person he is. Kind, compassionate, and caring, and has offered me encouragement at exactly the right times I have need it. I would go to him as a doctor anytime.

I think that is an important lesson for the young'ens out there. Alll your paper qualifications in the end become meaningless, strive first to be a person of quality, of good character, and compassion, and true success in this life, whether as a doctor or any other profession, is inevitable.

 

[joedo]

I did and I am.

😛

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally posted by cabruen
Thanks Blitz. but I have three letters for you Jot. Not only is he an outstanding candidate on paper, but after having talked to him several times, I have discover what an excellent person he is. Kind, compassionate, and caring, and has offered me encouragement at exactly the right times I have need it. I would go to him as a doctor anytime.

I think that is an important lesson for the young'ens out there. Alll your paper qualifications in the end become meaningless, strive first to be a person of quality, of good character, and compassion, and true success in this life, whether as a doctor or any other profession, is inevitable.

Jot rules

 

[Nanon]

I think there are too many ways to get <3.3 gpa to make a blanket statement like that. True, many people party too much and study too little and end up with crappy gpa's. But there are others who have significant things happen in their lives that make it impossible to do as well in college as they might otherwise. For example, since I started college, I came this close to getting a divorce (which equated to two semesters of C's and weekly therapy appointments), had my foot reconstructed right before finals (a C and an F), had three friends die and my husband break his hand in a two month period (a C that semester), and last year I took care of my schizophrenic mom while she battled breast cancer (one semester of B-, C and C-). The rest of the time has been A's and B's. On top of all of that, I didn't graduate from highschool, so I started way behind the ball in the sciences.

My study skills are fine. I just haven't figured out a way to keep the rest of my life from happening. 🙄 Hopefully, an adcom will see that when I finally apply.

 

[jwin]

all gpa's are not equal.

a B+ average is an accomplishment at schools whose grades still mean something.

now if you said 2.5 i might be more sympathetic, but come on now, stop the gunner obsession with A's.

 

[Wrigleyville]

We need a "hall of shame" for posts like this.

 

[Street Philosopher]

i have a craving for taquitos with guacamole!

 

[Samoa]

Originally posted by Nanon
My study skills are fine. I just haven't figured out a way to keep the rest of my life from happening. 🙄

Well said! (and that pretty much sums it up for me too)

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by Adcadet
hey Path - yeah, I kindof agree, but I don't see why grad school or post-bacc can't count. I've learned more about time management in my grad program (MPH) than as an undergrad, as I've had to do jugle many more things while in grad school than as an undergrad (research/work mainly). I also got the fun experience of being presented with tons of info and being/having to decide what is valuable and worth studying.

Can I get a little common sense in intrepreting my original post which Adcadet seems to be one of few capable of using? I'm not talking about a person whose mother died the semester they took Ochem 1, Physics1 and Bio 1. Obiviously a person with a low GPA the first 2 years and then A's and B's for the last 2 years is NOT the person I'm addressing in this post. Dam, I can't believe I had to explain this! It's very obviuos that many of you are too immature to accept another point of view.

I am NOT saying that a person with <3.3 should never go to medical school. What I am saying is that medical school becomes that much harder WHEN YOU DON"T HAVE SOLID STUDY SKILLS IN PLACE. In most cases that's what a science GPA of <3.3 means.

Manicmaven, why don't you stop being such a witch about my posts and create a thread of your own to witch on! Oh that's right, you probably can't think of anything more creative to do than witch at folks you disagree with. I would tell you "where to go" but I think even the devil wouldn't want your company

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
I have to strongly agrue that a person in this situation should delay a year and take additional science courses as a postbacc for 3 reasons:

Originally posted by indo
The original poster, Pathdr2b, says a person with <3.3 gpa NOT including post bacc work should either take more science courses or not go to med school if accepted.

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg
you gradist! Limiting opportunities of minorities, non-minorities, and all in between by saying those that are accepted with sub 3.3 should not go!
😉

Dam people can you read? I wrote DELAY A YEAR AND TAKE ADDITIONAL SCIENCE COURSES" NOT don't go to medical. Yeah, you're definitely going to get those meds right on the wards!

 

[THE instiGATOR]

I don't know of a single person who hasn't had to iron out wrinkles in their study habits after entering med school. It abuses all, not just those with sub-3.3 science GPAs.

If one gets in, he/she should count his/her blessings and gratefully accept. Grades aren't everything in med school. The primary task at hand is absorbing as much info as is humanly possible. If that places you at C level, so be it. If you get As, great for you. There is so much overlap in med school that one is almost assured to have the stuff down by the time the USMLE rolls around, so don't fret about grades so much.

As far as undergrad institution is concerned, how hard can GENERAL chem and GENERAL bio be made? Give me a break! When you take neuro, anatomy, or one of the many other very very difficult subjects in med school, you'll realize how absolutely vanilla your Harvard/Princeton premed courses were.

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by Natalie03
someone who (to me) seems a bit bitter about having to go through PB and grad after not getting accepted the first time around dicta... er, recommending he/she decline acceptance for the oh-so-descriptive <3.3 as-if-all-situations-were-the-same sci gpa.
Having said that, hope you are not too offended. I still admire someone so perseverant to get into med school as to go through all that extra schooling. Kudos and good luck!

Bitter about additional education? No way! Like Adcadet, I'm grateful for it and wouldn't change a thing if I could. I do think you make some sweeping assumptions about people that do postbacs/grad school. Not everyone needs to improve their GPA. Some just want to find out if medical school is "right" for them.

Like many of you, I kicked butt my last 2 years as an undergrad. I also didn't get accepted to med school until AFTER I compelted my graduate degree because by then I wanted the MD/PhD. I turned down my acceptance (which I've never made public until now) to take care of my Dad who had a stroke and cancer. The though of putting him in a nursing home WAS NOT an option.

So bitter no........BETTER? Without a doubt!

 

[MD-2007-Gal]

A person's GPA means nothing unless it is correlated to the school where the GPA was obtained. At some schools, it is not uncommon for science professors to only give 25% of the class a B+ or higher. A 3.3 is about equal to a B+. At many top level undergraduate schools (mine included), only a small number of students have a 3.3 science GPA. We must keep in mind that students at these schools are competing with the top students for good grades in science courses, and many will get very good MCAT scores. As a result, several Ivy League and other top schools have a close to 100% medical school acceptance rate, even though less than the majority of the students will have higher than a 3.3 science GPA. I really don't think such students need to take an extra year of science courses before medical school. They do have the study skills necessary. In fact, I've known several students who will take a science course at a local state school over the summer, work a lot less than they do during the year, and get an A.

 

[ashkan33]

where did you get accepted????? i want to apply there. i have a 3.57 and i'm not sure if i'll get in anywhere. Cali schools are way too competitive.

ashkan

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by ashkan33
where did you get accepted????? i want to apply there. i have a 3.57 and i'm not sure if i'll get in anywhere. Cali schools are way too competitive.

ashkan

Sorry, but I'll only give the name of the school IF they accept me again this year.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
Sorry, but I'll only give the name of the school IF they accept me again this year.

Ugh... it's like I'm back in elementary school.

 

[galen]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
Sorry, but I'll only give the name of the school IF they accept me again this year.

I think that's the whole point of why your advice is wrong, Path.
Once you get accepted into allopathic school, we're saying you better go cause this process is a crapshoot and there's no guarantee youll ever be accepted again, even with an improved gpa.😎

 

[8744]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
First let me clarify. I am referring to <3.3 being the ONLY GPA you have NOT including grad school and postbacc work.

I have to strongly agrue that a person in this situation should delay a year and take additional science courses as a postbacc for 3 reasons:

1) I think the ability to maintain at least a 3.3 in the sciences is a good indication that reasonably consistent study habits are in place. Everone knows that the "issue" with medical school being difficult has more to do with the volume of work than the type of courses.

2) Even a person with a 35 on the MCAT with a <3.3 GPA I think may have a problem. Getting a score like this shows that a person can take a standardized test, a one time effort. Medical school is a marathon not a race so again, being able to maintain consistent study habits are key.


3) There is a correlation between GPA and performance on the USMLE step 1, 2, and 3.

Having said all this, I'm actually thankful I was not admitted many years ago with solid MCAT scores but a crappy undergad GPA. In my case I didn't develop good study habits until postbacc/graduate school. Now, I feel ready to matriculate into med school with a solid GPA and soon to be MCAT (😉 ) in place!

With all due respect, you are crazy as a loon to contemplate this.

First, you overestimate the utility of undergraguate science courses in medical school. This may sound strange but I believe that a couple of semesters of general chemistry and a few biology classes are more then adequete to prepare you for medical school. Heck, most of what they concentrated on in undergraduate organic chemistry, like "reaction mechanisms," stick models, and those little electron diagrams are completely unimportant in medical school.

I got "A's" in an incredibly weak undergraduate organic chemistry curriculum and did just fine during my first year of medical school knowing, or remembering almost nothing about organic chemistry.

Second, everybody has to modify their study habits. Medical school, unlike undergraduate education, involves the digestion of a large amount of facts leaving very little time for complete mastery of the subject. One of our only "drops" last year burned herself out because she tried to learn it all. I have about 300 pages of notes and handouts for Renal Physiology alone. Just one course out of about 15. You do the math.

It is both incredibly hard, and incredibly easy. hard because you do have to know a lot of stuff. Easy because you can invariably recall at least enough of it to pass your tests, assuming you study a reasonable amount.

Your mileage will very on how you define "reasonable." When I was a first year I probably studied at least 25 hours per week. As a second year I'm down to about 12 hours a week...and my grades have improved. You will learn your medical schools testing philosophy and adjust accordingly.

For instance, at my school, the anatomy and histology portion of each course (a "practical" exam) is worth ten percent of the grade. The written tests are worth about 80 percent and the fuzzy, touchy-feely, empathy stuff is worth the remaining 10 percent.

I can ace the touchy-feely stuff easily, study consistently and do fairly well on the written tests, and avoid the temptation to spend long hours in the anatomy lab digging out a stupid branch of the pudendal nerve. It's all in Rohan's, anyways, and even if I miss half of the tags on a practical I will only drop five points on my final grade. (We do anatomy during first and second year.)

Invariably I cram a little with my atlas the day before the practical and get an 80 or so. Do you see my point?

Medical school, apart from being serious business, is like a game. You have to know the rules, and knowing them you have to concentrate on the important ones and ignore the others.

 

[8744]

I also want to add that I know people who, by way of exam preparation, do almost nothing but look at old test questions. I think this is kind of defeating the purpose of medical school...but who am I to judge?

Don't worry about being unprepared. It's school. Not a cult.

 

[H0mersimps0n]

<today's rant>
I just can't hold back...

some of you have your noses so high in the air about your big bad stats/GPA/MCAT scores it is sickening.

I've worked urban EMS for a while now and while I'm not putting down education or the fact that medical personnel really REALLY need to know their stuff, I can tell you that all the information in the world isn't going to help you if you can't get your african american patient to talk to you because your some smart ass know-it-all white boy from the suburbs. Do a ride-along sometime and see what its really like...

50% brains 50% personality

both crucial parts of what a good physician should be.

Also, let the admissions committee's worry about your ineptitude, they've probably been at it a bit longer than you have...

</todays rant>

 

[Naphtali]

My advice, in all seriousness, is if you get accepted, GO! By all means, go! Maybe if you have an extenuating circumstance (like a sick parent), you might reconsider, but aside from that, you'd be foolish to walk away from an open door like that.

Particularly if you have a low GPA, you might not get another chance. Strike while the iron is hot, make hay while the sun shines, and all that.

As a side point, I'm not sure that every doc has to be an scientific whiz to practice good medicine. Being an MD/PhD applicant, I run with a science-intensive crowd, but I also understand that not everyone has to be like me. Maybe people with a low science GPA (due to not being the best in science, as opposed to other reasons) might not want to go into heavily science intensive fields like nuclear medicine. But I don't see why FP, or Peds, or even Surgery should be ruled out for them.

I also question the assumption that science GPA is a good predictor of medical school sucess, or of good physician skills. Would the OP care to comment?

-Naphtali

 

[Curci]

The main thing that I don't understand about this issue is this: if you think you're "not good enough" for med school with a <3.3 science GPA, then what are you even doing applying in the first place? Why apply if you're going to turn the spot down anyway? Either save yourself the time, money, and effort, or just trust that the ad coms know what they're doing when they offer you an acceptance. I don't see why this question should ever even come up.

 

[Booza]

Doesn't it also depend where the person got the GPA?! For instance <3.3gpa at some lowly state school verses <3.3gpa at a school like Duke or Cornell, the latter having minimal grade inflation, and each with smart students.

Don't take GPA out of context. Ask yourself, "How is this person doing in relation to his/her peers? Is this guy getting the average grades (or above average) in his classes or is this guy (or girl 😉)sub-standard in his/her coursework?"

 

[Booza]

Aha! I realize someone already said this...

Originally posted by MD-2007-Gal
A person's GPA means nothing unless it is correlated to the school where the GPA was obtained. At some schools, it is not uncommon for science professors to only give 25% of the class a B+ or higher. A 3.3 is about equal to a B+. At many top level undergraduate schools (mine included), only a small number of students have a 3.3 science GPA. We must keep in mind that students at these schools are competing with the top students for good grades in science courses, and many will get very good MCAT scores. As a result, several Ivy League and other top schools have a close to 100% medical school acceptance rate, even though less than the majority of the students will have higher than a 3.3 science GPA. I really don't think such students need to take an extra year of science courses before medical school. They do have the study skills necessary. In fact, I've known several students who will take a science course at a local state school over the summer, work a lot less than they do during the year, and get an A.

 

[pathdr2b]

Gleevec and Panda Bear and others. Is it really necessary to insult and disrespect others just because someone presents a different point of view? You don't KNOW me so don't ever disrespect me again. I won't be so nice and respectful the next time I repsond.

 

[Adcadet]

I'll back up Path on this one - I agree that those with a low science GPA are probably less likely to do well in med school. Adcoms obviously know this - just look at the GPAs of admitted students. I think it's important for the person with a 35 MCAT, great ECs and LORs, but a 3.0 GPA to realize that while he/she may have 3 of the 4 necessary components, that last one (GPA) will probably kill his/her chances to most schools (I'm sure we can all find a person or two who has gotten in despite a low GPA). Does this idea make Path "crazy as a loon?" I don't think so.

Go ahead and argue and debate all day with Path - just be polite and I'm sure she'll be very polite right back.

 

[8744]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
Gleevec and Panda Bear and others. Is it really necessary to insult and disrespect others just because someone presents a different point of view? You don't KNOW me so don't ever disrespect me again. I won't be so nice and respectful the next time I repsond.

My apologies Pathdr2b. I really didn't mean to insult you and I'm sorry you misinterpreted my tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor.

What I meant to say is that if a so-so student like me can succeed in medical school, then you probably have nothing to worry about.

I also want to stress to some of you folks anticipating starting first year that medical school is not that hard. After you "settle in" you will find the hours comparable to a mildly stressful "eight-to-five" regular job. The stakes are higher, I'll admit, which puts a little more pressure on you.

I have not taken Step I yet or started rotations so if any third years disagree with this I will humbly defer to their opinions.

In fact, I'm kind of bummed out because I'll probably have to work long hours during third year and I'm not used to it.

 

[yaoming]

It is quite funny to see how someone (original poster) who has never experienced the medical school curriculum to assume the 'study patterns, science background, and competitive mindset' a premedical student/applicant should have to be successful in medical school/medicine. After you begin going through medical school, you should a better judgement on answering such a question.

From my experience, undergrad GPA definitely does not reflect a medical student's performance in medical school.

Good luck.

yaoming
MS1

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by yaoming
It is quite funny to see how someone (original poster) who has never experienced the medical school curriculum to assume the 'study patterns, science background, and competitive mindset' a premedical student/applicant should have to be successful in medical school/medicine. MS1

As a matter of fact I have taken a few courses with medical students: Medical biochemistry, Phramacology, and Cell Biology.

The primise behind this thread was watching a college classmate suffer from medical school classes, to boards, and on to residency. I saw him "slide" by his prerequisites making mostly B's and C's and getting A's in everything else to keep his GPA high. He repeated USMLE's 1 and II 2X and took 6 years to do a 4 year residency I'm sure because his skills weren't "tight".

A better question of me might be why do I care about people I don't even know. Having succefully gained admission to medical school under the most dire of academic circumstances I think gives me something credible to say. Plus unlike so many of you I didn't have ANYONE sharing/advising/helping me make decisions after I was initially rejected by medical schools, including the one that accepted me years later. I certainily could have benefitted from a thread like "Postbacc vs MS" or what are you going to do if you don't get in".

So to you young people, you can listen from folks like myself and Adcadet, Brill, many others that have been in the world for "longer than a minute" and have succesfully navigated the system and seen others be not so successful. Or you can do as some of you are doing and totally reject any idea different from your obviously narrowed way of thinking.

Carry on and I shall save my experiences/stories for the disadvantaged students I mentor in the DC area.

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by Panda Bear
What I meant to say is that if a so-so student like me can succeed in medical school, then you probably have nothing to worry about.

Apology accepted and thank you! I usually don't "get" humor in posts unless I see the funny icons so if I over-reacted, I apologize to you. 😀

 

[RockandRolldoc]

Pathdr,

First of all, stupid post. What do you care if someone has below a 3.3 gpa and gets accepted? Who are you to judge who can and who can't hack it in med school? What would people do if i made the flip side argument in a post entitled "if you get a 4.0 gpa, are you too out of touch with life to go to med school? (this does not include life experiences in grad school of course, why should that count)" come on that is rediculous. All of these arguments about the relativity of gpa are very valid, but here's another argument. Some people just aren't good at school. And when i say this, i'm referring to the "academic game" we all have played to get this far. Now that being said, one of those people who don't play the academic game very well could possibly be a champ in the real world. Someone with a 75% average in the first two years of medical school can easily get the highest marks on their third and fourth year rotations. It's about what kind of person you are, not how many things you bubbled in right on a 1st year biochemistry exam or a pre-med physics exam. By the way, I graduated from a competitive university with a 2.9 gpa, 32 on the mcat and I currently have an 89% average in med school. I guess nobody like me has any business being a medical student.

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by RockandRolldoc
Pathdr,
First of all, stupid post. What do you care if someone has below a 3.3 gpa and gets accepted? Who are you to judge who can and who can't hack it in med school? I guess nobody like me has any business being a medical student.

Aren't you guys the "sex" generation? Please do us all a favor and fix your vibrator or get some. Now THIS is a stupid post!

 

[SM-UCLA tech]

I have only one thing to say.....and please don't take this the wrong way......but you're and IDIOT !

 

[galen]

Pathdr2b,
I'm curious, when you delayed going a yr after being accepted were you given the promise at any of ur schools that you could defer a year and still get in the following year? Are such deferrals normally given for special circumstances, for example family illness?

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by SM-UCLA tech
I have only one thing to say.....and please don't take this the wrong way......but you're and IDIOT !

Citing a quote from a woman with fake breasts. I guess that just about says it all. You're either a woman wishing she had a body like Ms.Anderson or you're a guy that wish he had a woman like Ms.Anderson. Either way you're probably just one unattractive premed!

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by galen
Pathdr2b,
I'm curious, when you delayed going a yr after being accepted were you given the promise at any of ur schools that you could defer a year and still get in the following year? Are such deferrals normally given for special circumstances, for example family illness?

I was able to delay due to family illness which is not all that uncommon at medical schools. I backed up my request with letter's from my Dad's physician's so no one questioned me. Unfortunately for me my Dad went from bad the year I was accepted to terminally ill the next year. I was just too devasted to go at this point and if I could do it again, I would do the exact same thing.

As for getting accepted into this school again, yes I am reasonable confident that I can get in again. I maintained my "contacts" there over the years and have improved my "package" just to be on the safe side.

Another point is that sometimes you can get a deferral for other reasons say if you wanted to volunteer in some underdeveloped country.

Hope this helps!

 

[DrLady]

This thread has gone to quite a ridiculous extent: Petty responses and cheap insults. Pathdr2b, you got responses, some posters agreed with you and some didn't. If you believe that a person with less than 3.3 gpa is not fit to be in med, then so be it. Its your opinion, just like others have different opinions. This is a freaking internet board with more than 20,000 members. Each one has different opinion. Are you going to argue with all of them?

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by DrLady
If you believe that a person with less than 3.3 gpa is not fit to be in med, then so be it. Its your opinion, just like others have different opinions. By just resorting to cheap insults is just showing your maturity.

ONCE AGAIN, I don't create threads for people like you. These are for people like Galen that may have a real question or concern based on the thoughts and experiences of others.

Yes some of this thread is petty given all the names I've been called. However, being the MATURE person I am my response was with humor not additional name calling. But I guess you didn't notice that which is not suprising since you misread my original post. Don't be so uptight that you confuse maturity and humor. I'll take a doctor with a good sense of humor anyday which you obviously are not.

And yes, I going to go down in SDN history as having argued with everybody. I think I have about 19,989 more to go

 

[Rudy1223]

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[Dr.Tong]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
I'll take a doctor with a good sense of humor anyday which you obviously are not.

even if they have a gpa under 3.3?


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[All-Star14]

While I don't agree with what pathdr2b, I'm not going to call her an idiot.

If one gets into an allopathic medical school, it's to their advantage to go despite their undergraduate GPA. Don't some schools offer pre-MSI programs to assist those that might need some extra help before starting medical school? That to me sounds like an excellent idea.