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[umean2tellme]

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I was speaking to a professor of medical anthropology at the University of Miami. I wanted him to be one of the people to proofread my personal statement when i write it. He said ok but when i told him i'm applying to osteopathic schools his face turned and he was like "oh isn't that like a 2 yr degree or something." After explaining to him about OMM and that DO = MD he was like "well i dunno I dont want you to be out there trying to hussle for business like some chiropractor." lol I thought i'd share that with you all.

 

[spicedmanna]

Yeah, that happens sometimes.

 

[Jpc984]

Your prof and my dentist should hang out... I just explained it is the same as DMD and DDS (I think they are the same... maybe im ignorant?).

 

[umean2tellme]

I mean you'd expect that sort of thing from someone not really into health or medicine but a medical anthropologist is generally affiliated in some way with the medical campus/program at a school. Oh well. Oh and he also went on to say "well, osteo means bone and pathy means disease so it's a doc of bone disease" lol

 

[Jpc984]

I mean you'd expect that sort of thing from someone not really into health or medicine but a medical anthropologist is generally affiliated in some way with the medical campus/program at a school. Oh well. Oh and he also went on to say "well, osteo means bone and pathy means disease so it's a doc of bone disease" lol

I was trying to come up with a witty comeback for your prof, but a medical anthropologist is pretty hard to confuse with something else. If only he was an archaeologist... you could say, "Oh your an archaeologist, so you study dinosaurs" (they don't like that).

 

[Tensyle]

I asked my science prof to read over my PS, and he said that it's written in a way that our medical system wont understand...then I said im applying DO...and his face turns and says, "oh, they'll love it!" haha and he's no medical anthropologist...he's an ecologist

 

[Punchap]

My cousin came back to the states after living in the UK for some time and I told he and his sister that I was applying to osteopathic schools. His sister asked what an osteopath was and he replied "They're like a chiropractor."
I know there are some very distinct differences between osteopaths in the UK and osteopathic physicians in the US, but I struggle with it.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Tell him that you're going to apply for an osteopathic residency in voodoo medicine.

 

[Beau Geste]

Tell him that you're going to apply for an osteopathic residency in voodoo medicine.

Would that be a CAM residency? LOL!!!

 

[Shinken]

Tell him that you're going to apply for an osteopathic residency in voodoo medicine.

Those are very competitive. You'd better have a backup plan just in case.

I hear osteopathic magnetic healing residencies are becoming less competitive lately.

 

[umean2tellme]

Those are very competitive. You'd better have a backup plan just in case.

I hear osteopathic magnetic healing residencies are becoming less competitive lately.

I'm considering just going to become a shaman. Atleast people will know what I am.

 

[Beau Geste]

Witch doctory is also pretty popular and covers many fields.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

Call me old-fashioned, but I don't consider any form of medicine that does not employ the use of decapitated chickens and marijuana to be legitimate.

 

[Beau Geste]

Add opium, coke, absinthe, and various poisons and you've got a part-ay!

 

[JaggerPlate]

Ehh whatever ... it happens (I guess). By the time we finish residency it won't anymore!! 👍

 

[PT2MD]

I was speaking to a professor of medical anthropology at the University of Miami. I wanted him to be one of the people to proofread my personal statement when i write it. He said ok but when i told him i'm applying to osteopathic schools his face turned and he was like "oh isn't that like a 2 yr degree or something." After explaining to him about OMM and that DO = MD he was like "well i dunno I dont want you to be out there trying to hussle for business like some chiropractor." lol I thought i'd share that with you all.

You can't fix stupid(ity)...it takes the smallest amount of effort to learn the similarities between the two professions. Herein lies the problem for most people. It's much easier (read: lazy) to simply make a judgement and move on - a character flaw all to common among people these days.

The people who matter know the difference.

 

[Meatwad]

Your prof and my dentist should hang out... I just explained it is the same as DMD and DDS (I think they are the same... maybe im ignorant?).

Actually, this is incorrect.

A DDS and a DMD are exactly the same, but not only legally; the philosophy behind each degree is identical. Obviously, schools vary their curriculum, but this is true of every MD school as well. The varied curricula do not change the fact that a Duke MD = Harvard MD. This is why a Temple DMD = Case Western DDS, or what have you. It's like a Princeton A.B. vs. a UC Berkeley B.A.

A DO = MD in the eyes of the law, and in practical ways as well. However, whether or not you buy into OMM and the "more holistic," thing, it is a distinct degree due to this extra training and philosophy. If it wasn't, it would really be nothing more than a degree for those who have lower stats than are competitive at allopathic schools. This is, of course, not true.😉

 

[Meatwad]

You can't fix stupid(ity)...it takes the smallest amount of effort to learn the similarities between the two professions. Herein lies the problem for most people. It's much easier (read: lazy) to simply make a judgement and move on - a character flaw all to common among people these days.

The people who matter know the difference.

One also shouldn't be complacent about trying to educate the masses about one's future degree. These people will be in the patient pool for you one day, hopefully. If they all think you are just chiropractors, that wouldn't exactly be very lucrative, would it? It's in all future DOs own interests to educate everyone as to what osteopathic medicine really is.

 

[Beau Geste]

One also shouldn't be complacent about trying to educate the masses about one's future degree. These people will be in the patient pool for you one day, hopefully. If they all think you are just chiropractors, that wouldn't exactly be very lucrative, would it? It's in all future DOs own interests to educate everyone as to what osteopathic medicine really is.

Someone needs to give this speech to the DOs who "don't have time" to let prospective applicants shadow 😡

 

[PT2MD]

If they all think you are just chiropractors, that wouldn't exactly be very lucrative, would it? It's in all future DOs own interests to educate everyone as to what osteopathic medicine really is.

Agreed...but given the rise in notoriety of osteopathic physicians in this country, do you really think the majority of folks see DO's as chiropractors? I live in a small, rural town near Houston where the most folks drive past three chiropractors to see their family doctor, DO.

I think it's worth educating folks who are willing to listen. You just have to decide how much energy you are willing to spend claiming legitimacy vs simply practicing legitimately. You could end up looking like this. Sorry but the youtube version got taken off.

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/24654/Family_Guy_Stewie_Cruise.html

 

[Tanner82]

One also shouldn't be complacent about trying to educate the masses about one's future degree. These people will be in the patient pool for you one day, hopefully. If they all think you are just chiropractors, that wouldn't exactly be very lucrative, would it? It's in all future DOs own interests to educate everyone as to what osteopathic medicine really is.

A 20/20, dateline, or some other news ssegement on osteopathic medicine would be great. Think the AOA would ever dishout money to make the profession more visible to the public? Nevertheless, the population of DO's is growing, so that alone should educate some... but of course, you will always have stupid people, and we will be a medical minority for the foreseeable future so get use to explaining what osteopathic medicine is. My family had their doubt at first until they researched it a little bit.

 

[Meatwad]

I live in a state with one of the highest percentages of DOs (I believe...), and I still encounter lots of people who either say: 1) wtf is a DO; 2) LOL they are kids who couldn't get into med school; or 3) ... chiropractor+?

Regardless, wouldn't sway my decision. I also educate them, to the best of my ability, on what a DO is, their training, etc. For the most part, thankfully, people don't care about the degree. Nor do they even see it, for the most part. They get the referral to the doc (if a specialist), and that's that. Your networking skills as a DO will probably be the most important factor.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

I really don't care what people think. Ideally, I'll be going into ER or trauma surgery, and none of my patients will be in a position to care anyway.

I have no idea if I'll end up at a DO or MD school. I will base my decision on what any responsible future physician would be expected to: how hot the chicks are. and then I will study my ass off and become as good of a doc as I can.

If there is anthing I've learned from my time on this earth, its that people are stupid. Its almost like nobody the majority of the population lacks the ability to think critically. Look around you and observe people being perfectly comfortable making stupid decisions, because they are completely oblivious of how ******ed they are. People judge each other based on words instead of actions all the time. It makes these stupid people that inhabit the world feel good about themselves, even if it means taking something out of context, or knowing anything about the person saying it. People do all kinds of stuff to make them feel more secure about how their lives are meaningless, and they have **** for brains. What the hell is a medical anthropologist anyway?

I want to be a doctor because it is one of the few meaningful professions on this planet where you have to use your brain. You don't have to wake up every morning pissed off about how much of an idiot you are, and what you can do to feel better about it. And the cool thing is, if you're a good doctor, you keep getting smarter. You might see something new every day, and when you do, you have to educate yourself about it.

And you know what else? Your co-workers, DO and MD alike, are also smart. Its almost like you live in a world that is completely separate from the idiocy that exists on the outside.

So in the end, does it matter what some douche desk jockey with no clue at all about what it is you do thinks about you? As for this medical anthropology guy... Intellectuals are the stupidest people of them all. They think that they know everything about everything, but in reality, they know everything about stuff that only like 5 people in the world care about, and this pisses them off and makes them insecure. The end.

 

[Tensyle]

This is what I found on a different forum...read this ridiculous post...

"Osteopathy basically equals chiropractic, or, in more detail, the
concept of chiropractic is equivalent to that which is the basis for
osteopathy. Try searching for scientific opinions on chiropractic
before you waste a lot of money on an education that will not allow
you to help many people. If you don't care about whether or not you
actually help people and only want the salary, osteopathy will
probably be the way to go."

😡

 

[Meatwad]

This is what I found on a different forum...read this ridiculous post...

"Osteopathy basically equals chiropractic, or, in more detail, the
concept of chiropractic is equivalent to that which is the basis for
osteopathy. Try searching for scientific opinions on chiropractic
before you waste a lot of money on an education that will not allow
you to help many people. If you don't care about whether or not you
actually help people and only want the salary, osteopathy will
probably be the way to go."

😡

Good thing there are no schools in the US that teach osteopathy these days; they teach osteopathic medicine.

 

[Beau Geste]

This is what I found on a different forum...read this ridiculous post...

"Osteopathy basically equals chiropractic, or, in more detail, the
concept of chiropractic is equivalent to that which is the basis for
osteopathy. Try searching for scientific opinions on chiropractic
before you waste a lot of money on an education that will not allow
you to help many people. If you don't care about whether or not you
actually help people and only want the salary, osteopathy will
probably be the way to go."

😡

Where did you find this????

 

[r2cole1]

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[mrjbb]

Your prof and my dentist should hang out... I just explained it is the same as DMD and DDS (I think they are the same... maybe im ignorant?).

Not entirely, DDS and DMD are EXACTLY the same with no difference in practice nor certain "techniques" (like OMM).

DDS and DMD degrees date back to the very early 1900's.....

All in a nutshell DDS's would serve the GENERAL public, comon people.
While DMD's would serve presidents, Kings, Queens, Royal Family's and nobody that was common.

DDS's were frowned and looked down upon by the majority of High Status people all over the world...

Where DO's and MD's do differ in the "technical" scope of practice.. Some and definitely more (NOT all) DO's practice OMM and a very SMALL percentage of MD's do (some seek further post doctoral training in OMM).

Thus making the degree different (But only a minor incy weency difference..😉)

DDS's and DMD's nowadays are EXACTLY the same. The reason some schools still offer DDS's instead of DMD's is because they wish to and choose to, and because these schools were the schools that used to train the DDS's of the early 1900's when they were only allowed to serve General Public and they haven't wished to change by offering the DMD, if they want to they could've and can, however it makes no sense to change all the DDS granting schools to only offer DMD's (Way too much controversy and work).....😉

Just thought I could elaborate a little on how D.D.S.-D.M.D can't in ANY way be compared to D.O.-M.D.

 

[JaggerPlate]

The funniest part about all this is that these misinformed people aren't too off in their definition of osteopaths ... they just don't know the difference between an osteopath and and osteopathic physician. The latter .. as we know .. is a fully licensed doctor.

 

[Tensyle]

Where did you find this????

here:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=540449

you have to scroll down a bit, or search just search for the word "chiropractic"...it should show ya

 

[Buckeye4life]

Just a little D.O. fyi: Osteopathic medicine is the only original form of complete medicine in the United States. Allopathy actually was derived from a German system of medicine.

While I am proud to become an osteopathic physician, I almost like the idea of changing osteopathic medicine to integrative medicine so the public will be able to associate the actual practice better. Yes, D.O.'s training focuses much more on the musculoskeletal system, but OMM is only another modality that can be used. What differentiates osteopathic from allopathic is not just OMM, but osteopathic medicine is supposed to incorporate seeing all dimensions of a patient: mind, body, and spirit. Some M.D.s do this as well, and some D.O.s don't, but a true osteopathic physician takes the core philosophy to heart and "integrates" the whole and doesn't separate a person into different systems that can exist on their own. Using the term osteopathic narrows people's viewpoints into thinking we only treat bones and muscles like a chiropractor or whatever else. However, I know the tradition is too strong and it would be a logistic nightmare to change the Osteopathic medical colleges to Integrative medical colleges.

 

[runner898]

I find the whole DO, MD thing so annoying. I have never seen so many cut-throat premeds dissing DO's either.
My brother in law is a DO and other than schooling, his residency and training were the same as MD. I think people still have the misconception that DO's are not as trained, when really, they are. From what I understand, he even had more testing than MD's.
When I tell people that I want to go to a school of osteopathic medicine, they are like "oh...why not go the full 4 years?" I want to say "you idiot, find some facts before you speak out of you @$$"
As far as finding DO's to shadow, I am finding more DO's in my area that will allow me to shadow them than MD's.

 

[Buckeye4life]

It cracks me up when people use fancy language to say absolutely nothing.

Glad I could make you laugh, and I didn't mean to talk over your head.🙄

 

[Pansit]

Just a little D.O. fyi: Osteopathic medicine is the only original form of complete medicine in the United States. Allopathy actually was derived from a German system of medicine.

While I am proud to become an osteopathic physician, I almost like the idea of changing osteopathic medicine to integrative medicine so the public will be able to associate the actual practice better. Yes, D.O.'s training focuses much more on the musculoskeletal system, but OMM is only another modality that can be used. What differentiates osteopathic from allopathic is not just OMM, but osteopathic medicine is supposed to incorporate seeing all dimensions of a patient: mind, body, and spirit. Some M.D.s do this as well, and some D.O.s don't, but a true osteopathic physician takes the core philosophy to heart and "integrates" the whole and doesn't separate a person into different systems that can exist on their own. Using the term osteopathic narrows people's viewpoints into thinking we only treat bones and muscles like a chiropractor or whatever else. However, I know the tradition is too strong and it would be a logistic nightmare to change the Osteopathic medical colleges to Integrative medical colleges.

What?...what physician would not do this...all physicians treat the body as a "whole"...you are either drinking the cool-aid or your watching to many AT Still home movies...

 

[matadvo]

Think the AOA would ever dishout money to make the profession more visible to the public?

Are you just being flippant or do you even have any idea what the AOA actually does? As a student you can actually become involved in your student government and become a part of the future of your profession.

 

[Buckeye4life]

What?...what physician would not do this...all physicians treat the body as a "whole"...you are either drinking the cool-aid or your watching to many AT Still home movies...

Very clever. And yes, I've been watching Still's home movies for the past week. They're really grainy, but overall very informative. I'm glad you have a real quick wit about you because you'll need that as a future doctor. How bout you just not pull the trigger so fast without knowing anything about me.