Illinois Budget Impasse - UIC & SIU

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I am still waiting to hear back from UIC, but I was struck by the fact that they mentioned during interview day that so far the budget impasse has not affected them except to halt building renovations. Naturally, this led me to wonder when it may become an issue for their dental program. The school seems to be doing just fine right now, and on the surface both the students and staff seemed unworried about how the impasse would affect their program. I really liked the school and the people, so I am hoping that this nonsense is settled quickly for the sake of everyone in the Illinois higher education system!

A bit of background for those who aren't aware. The state of Illinois has not funded its state colleges and universities in nearly 9 months. Furthermore, the state of Illinois owes Cook County $66 million which it has so far made no plans to pay. Chicago State University has canceled spring break as a cost cutting measue, and Western Illinois is laying off staff. Last week, Moody's downgraded the credit rating on seven Illinois schools (including UI and even Northwestern) and the accreditation agency (Higher Learning Commission) is warning Rauner that state colleges and universities could lose their accreditation entirely. So far, it seems that UIC and the other big Illinois schools have managed to weather the storm, but there is no end in sight and I can't imagine that UIC or SIU will be able to continue indefinitely with such a big hit to their funding. For example, 22% of SIU's funding is from the state, and Eastern Illinois University is warning that they will be insolvent at the end of the fiscal year without a budget resolution.

So far, UIC has put renovations on hold in an effort to save money and research park is feeling the pinch, UIC has cut funding by $24 million and SIU had initially reduced its budget by $13.5 million but they are now considering $40 million in cuts! SIU president warned that if they do take a $40 million loss that it would likely see the "wholesale ending of programs". It is unclear to me how this may affect UIC's plans to expand their class size from ~50 to ~80 next year. During our interview day we asked the current students if they had any insight, to which they responded, "the administration tells us they have a plan, but they don't say what that plan is."

Rauner is planning a 31.5% reduction in state funding to schools, which is $209 million in total, with $60 million being absorbed by UIC alone. In total, Rauner is planning to cut $387 million from Illinois higher education in total.

Are there any current SIU or UIC students lurking this forum who could offer some insight? I can't imagine that the dental programs would face anything as drastic as a closure, but I am worried that the quality of their programs may suffer as a consequence of the budget impasse.
 
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Pennsylvania is having the same budget issue (which could affect Pitt and Temple). Hopefully they'll both get resolved and the dental schools will be ok.......
 
Just heard about this as well...UIC is my first choice :/
 
I am still waiting to hear back from UIC, but I was struck by the fact that they mentioned during interview day that so far the budget impasse has not affected them except to halt building renovations. Naturally, this led me to wonder when it may become an issue for their dental program. The school seems to be doing just fine right now, and on the surface both the students and staff seemed unworried about how the impasse would affect their program. I really liked the school and the people, so I am hoping that this nonsense is settled quickly for the sake of everyone in the Illinois higher education system!

A bit of background for those who aren't aware. The state of Illinois has not funded its state colleges and universities in nearly 9 months. Furthermore, the state of Illinois owes Cook County $66 million which it has so far made no plans to pay. Chicago State University has canceled spring break as a cost cutting measue, and Western Illinois is laying off staff. Last week, Moody's downgraded the credit rating on seven Illinois schools (including UI and even Northwestern) and the accreditation agency (Higher Learning Commission) is warning Rauner that state colleges and universities could lose their accreditation entirely. So far, it seems that UIC and the other big Illinois schools have managed to weather the storm, but there is no end in sight and I can't imagine that UIC or SIU will be able to continue indefinitely with such a big hit to their funding. For example, 22% of SIU's funding is from the state, and Eastern Illinois University is warning that they will be insolvent at the end of the fiscal year without a budget resolution.

So far, UIC has put renovations on hold in an effort to save money and research park is feeling the pinch, UIC has cut funding by $24 million and SIU had initially reduced its budget by $13.5 million but they are now considering $40 million in cuts! SIU president warned that if they do take a $40 million loss that it would likely see the "wholesale ending of programs". It is unclear to me how this may affect UIC's plans to expand their class size from ~50 to ~80 next year. During our interview day we asked the current students if they had any insight, to which they responded, "the administration tells us they have a plan, but they don't say what that plan is."

Rauner is planning a 31.5% reduction in state funding to schools, which is $209 million in total, with $60 million being absorbed by UIC alone. In total, Rauner is planning to cut $387 million from Illinois higher education in total.

Are there any current SIU or UIC students lurking this forum who could offer some insight? I can't imagine that the dental programs would face anything as drastic as a closure, but I am worried that the quality of their programs may suffer as a consequence of the budget impasse.

According to the statement released earlier this month by SIU president Randy Dunn the dental school will not be affected if a budget is passed before Dec 31st 2016. The cuts are mostly coming from the main university programs at both the SIUC AND SIUe main campuses. You can read the official document on the SIU website outlining the cuts. There was also a worst case scenario list of cuts that would occur if there was no budget passed by the state by Dec 31st which included closing the East st Louis dental clinic (smaller off site clinic the school runs), as well as increasing tuition 30%. This would all be to bridge the gap in funding in the event the state provided no money for the 2017 academic year.

I will say I have heard from our faculty that UIC is going to get hit much harder by all these budget issues than the SIU system. Their tuition has been steadily increasing ove the last 10 years and is currently at a significant amount more than SIU over the 4 years. The SIU administration has seen this budget issue coming for a while now and was one of the major factors in implementing the international program that will be bringing in $1.5million a year for the school which will definately help with operating costs in lieu of funding from the state. This program implements 6 international students joining the 3rd and 4th year classes. However UIC's solution to their budget problem is play the international student gold mine and make half their dental school classes made up of international students and charge them exorbitant tuition. They accept 50 internationals compared to their 50 normal students as well. There is a huge problem looming as administration's realize they can make 2x as much money per student with international students compared to normal students so look for "normal" student admission rates to decrease while these international programs continue to grow. Be very leery of schools you are applying to that are implementing these programs, as quoted by faculty in charge of these programs, "the main reason is the money."
 
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There is no chance SIU'S school will be closing any time soon. I can't talk specifics about UIC, I wouldn't play into their promises for a larger class size though.
 
There is no chance SIU'S school will be closing any time soon. I can't talk specifics about UIC, I wouldn't play into their promises for a larger class size though.

Would you consider UIC to not be a good option for a DS? Finding all this out today is unsettling...
 
Would you consider UIC to not be a good option for a DS? Finding all this out today is unsettling...
I am not informed enough to tell you not to attend UIC. However I will say several alumni of the school that are faculty at my school have talked down on the program in recent years. Personally I chose SIU over UIC but there's no right choice, every school has its own set of problems.
 
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