I'm HIV positive...Am I done for medicine?

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I hope to either do dentistry or surgery (not entirely sure yet).

I've recently found out that I am HIV positive and I am under treatment.

Am I allowed to practice as a physician/surgeon/dentist and so on? Or should I just stop right here?
 
This website outlines each state's guidelines/restrictions for HIV+ health care workers. At quick glance it seems typical that you must give notification of your status and then after a review of your practice (and state of infection I imagine?) they decide on any practice limitations only if you perform invasive procedures, which for surgery and dentistry you would be.

http://hivlawandpolicy.org/resource...ive-health-care-workers-center-hiv-law-policy
 
There probably isn't a restriction on the license, but if you're going to be performing an invasive surgery, I think I'd want to be informed so I can decide if it's worth the risk.
 
I've worked with at least one known HIV+ physician over the years. That case was kind of tragic- acquired through an on-the-job accident. They had no restrictions on their license or medical practice.
Not to derail the thread, but it's my understanding that getting HIV while performing surgery super super rare? (https://www.facs.org/about-acs/statements/13-hiv-infection) Can you elaborate on how this occurred?
 
I've worked with at least one known HIV+ physician over the years. That case was kind of tragic- acquired through an on-the-job accident. They had no restrictions on their license or medical practice.

They actually told you that they were HIV+?
 
Needlestick injuries are unfortunately not uncommon. With post-exposure prophylaxis like we have today, very few people who are stuck go on to develop HIV, but there is always that very small chance. And in the days before PEP, that chance was greater, albeit still uncommon.
 
Needlestick injuries are unfortunately not uncommon. With post-exposure prophylaxis like we have today, very few people who are stuck go on to develop HIV, but there is always that very small chance. And in the days before PEP, that chance was greater, albeit still uncommon.

I remember seeing at least 3-4 physicians re-capping needles, even though they knew they shouldn't. I'm sure there are other ways I guess where you can have an accidental stick.
 
I remember seeing at least 3-4 physicians re-capping needles, even though they knew they shouldn't. I'm sure there are other ways I guess where you can have an accidental stick.

I've seen it happen more than once with suture needles in the OR. And then there was that trauma where an intern managed to stick both herself and the attending when she left the exposed needle unattended on the side of the stretcher...!
 
Risk of needle stick HIV is notoriously low (<1%) unless you somehow manage to stick yourself into a major vein or artery. Hep C is the one that you should be scared of. I wonder if most hospital insurance plans cover the new drug regimen..
 
Risk of needle stick HIV is notoriously low (<1%) unless you somehow manage to stick yourself into a major vein or artery. Hep C is the one that you should be scared of. I wonder if most hospital insurance plans cover the new drug regimen..
Well HBeAG+ is way easier to acquire than C. Somethimg stupid like 33% risk from incidental needle stick.
 
I would think you would owe patients a disclosure in surgical situations (morally speaking)
 
I hope to either do dentistry or surgery (not entirely sure yet).

I've recently found out that I am HIV positive and I am under treatment.

Am I allowed to practice as a physician/surgeon/dentist and so on? Or should I just stop right here?

I know of a dental student with hep C who was accepted and finished 2 years. They wouldn't let him see patients 3rd year and kicked him out since the schools insurance wouldn't cover him (malpractice insurance). He got a settlement. But wasted 2 years.
 
Needlestick injuries are unfortunately not uncommon. With post-exposure prophylaxis like we have today, very few people who are stuck go on to develop HIV, but there is always that very small chance. And in the days before PEP, that chance was greater, albeit still uncommon.

I was told it's been nearly a decade since someone last got HIV from a needle stick injury with current prophylaxis. Even without prophylaxis it's only like a .06 percent chance of infection.
 
Not to derail the thread, but it's my understanding that getting HIV while performing surgery super super rare? (https://www.facs.org/about-acs/statements/13-hiv-infection) Can you elaborate on how this occurred?
It was during a central line insertion many years ago (sometime in the 90s). Physician ended up with a very bloody sharp from the kit going deep into their hand. Patient had a viral load that was off the charts, physician ended up seroconverting. It led to a nasty lawsuit with the health care system, in which the hospital lawyers tried to claim the physician could have acquired HIV from sex outside of the workplace and that the incident was due to their personal negligence (which was really ****ed up) so the physician being HIV+ was kind of unavoidable common knowledge.
 
Risk of needle stick HIV is notoriously low (<1%) unless you somehow manage to stick yourself into a major vein or artery. Hep C is the one that you should be scared of. I wonder if most hospital insurance plans cover the new drug regimen..
There's actually some data published now that the all oral regimens are more cost-effective when you consider the cost of treatment, monitoring, follow-up costs, and complications due to failed regimens. Of course the major benefit being that the new therapies have close to zero treatment failures. Also, I'd be remiss to not mention the improvement in adherence - I'll be a pharmacist before anything else after all haha.
 
It was during a central line insertion many years ago (sometime in the 90s). Physician ended up with a very bloody sharp from the kit going deep into their hand. Patient had a viral load that was off the charts, physician ended up seroconverting. It led to a nasty lawsuit with the health care system, in which the hospital lawyers tried to claim the physician could have acquired HIV from sex outside of the workplace and that the incident was due to their personal negligence (which was really ****ed up) so the physician being HIV+ was kind of unavoidable common knowledge.

Was it this story?
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/18/n...-12.2-million-to-a-physician-who-got-hiv.html

The intern in the article pricked her thumb after inserting a catheter into a dying AIDs patient. Its a terrible tragedy - her life was ruined, and the patient died anyways. Is there any reason a dying AIDS patient needs a catheter? I feel terrible for saying this, but I would never make an intern do a high risk procedure if it looks like the patient cannot be saved. On the other hand, it may be the "duty" of the doctor to help all patients, regardless of risk...
 
Was it this story?
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/18/n...-12.2-million-to-a-physician-who-got-hiv.html

The intern in the article pricked her thumb after inserting a catheter into a dying AIDs patient. Its a terrible tragedy - her life was ruined, and the patient died anyways. Is there any reason a dying AIDS patient needs a catheter? I feel terrible for saying this, but I would never make an intern do a high risk procedure if it looks like the patient cannot be saved. On the other hand, it may be the "duty" of the doctor to help all patients, regardless of risk...
That's the one!
 
I know of a dental student with hep C who was accepted and finished 2 years. They wouldn't let him see patients 3rd year and kicked him out since the schools insurance wouldn't cover him (malpractice insurance). He got a settlement. But wasted 2 years.
I'm confused by this story. Did he not know he had hep c until third year, then they just wouldn't let him see patients?
 
I'm not sure that I think that an HIV+ surgeon must disclose their status to their patients... Patients certainly don't have to make a reciprocal disclosure. I don't think that the physician loses the right to privacy of their personal health information, nor do I think that they deserve to be stigmatized by limiting their practice options. It would be different if there weren't layers of precautions that could be taken. Especially if the surgeon is on anti-retrovirals, they may have such a low viral load that they would pose little to no risk to a patient even if a needlestick occurred.

That said, knowing how common needlestick injuries are, and having experienced several myself, despite being personally very cautious with sharps... if I knew that I had an infectious bloodborne pathogen on board, I would be very unlikely to go into surgery. I've been stabbed with an injection needle that a resident had left unguarded in a place that it shouldn't have been. I have stepped on a very large bloody suture needle that went clean through the bottom of my puncture resistant shoe and into my foot. Both of those couldn't have been prevented by me being more vigilant about how I handled sharps... though in both cases, there was no risk of my blood contaminating a patient. I was not a surgeon.

I have seen a surgeon, who is very disciplined with sharps, stabbed in the hand by a careless scrub tech during a spinal fusion. His blood absolutely hit the open wound and contaminated the patient. No amount of increased caution can protect against an idiot elsewhere on the team.

I would simply not be able to live with the idea that I put a patient at risk of contracting an incurable, potentially life-limiting infection from me. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night worrying about exposures that I may not have noticed. Maybe there is a nonsurgical field OP might be interested in? You gotta follow your own conscience, but if it were me, that is what I'd pursue.
 
I am so sorry man, HIV is such a difficult diagnosis, and super stigmatizing unfortunately. I hope that you have some support from family and friends. This isn't the end of your life, and it's a disease that can truly be managed. And dude, I personally don't think it's a big deal. You should follow your dreams. You should talk to other doctors, people who are experts in the legality, but it's so dependent on your viral load.

If you can stay in "undetectable" ranges then you're pretty much not going to be a risk to people who you're having sex with, let alone operating on. (And for all the people who are going to jump on me for saying that, "yes you should still wear condom, and protect your partner and yourself") Also, I personally am hella offended by the idea that how you got it matters at all. You didn't deserve it, and the mode of transmission has nothing to do with the validity of your credentials to be a doctor. Take care of yourself. I'm sending you positive thoughts in this difficult time.
 
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