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ahmad sharawneh

ahmad sharawneh

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I am an IMG finished anesthesia residency and boarded and has the Irish fellowship in anesthesia. Step 1 245 step 2 248 cs first pass step 3 217.
Will my previous residency help me in getting a match position to repeat residency.
 
What's an Irish fellowship in anesthesia?

Fact of the matter is you are an IMG. People might look at you more favorably than another IMG that's never done anesthesia, but you will always be looked down upon for being an IMG (outside of very rare exceptions).
 
Ronin786 said:
What's an Irish fellowship in anesthesia?

Fact of the matter is you are an IMG. People might look at you more favorably than another IMG that's never done anesthesia, but you will always be looked down upon for being an IMG (outside of very rare exceptions).
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LOL the irony...
 
The irony is that it ain't true! The opposite is the case!

You guys can't even differentiate yourselves from nurses
 
OP: yes the anesthesia background will help once you get to the interview portion of the application. The IMG part will significantly hurt your opportunities to get to the interview. Make it to the interview stage of enough places and you’ll match.
 
Ronin786 said:
I'm going to ignore the dig and just ask you to read the OP's question again. Go take up the superiority of foreign anesthesiologists with him.
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Why read his? You said it not him, others think it, none of it is true. That's ironic. What's wrong with that?
 
Planktonmd said:
I am not sure why someone would leave Ireland and come to practice here!
I mean no matter what the circumstances are, you are still seen in Europe as a physician specialist, while here you will be an expensive anesthesia "provider".
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I think here we make more money and do less work, so that’s why people come here. Unless if someone who’s worked in Europe has another explanation
 
MoMoGesiologist said:
I think here we make more money and do less work, so that’s why people come here. Unless if someone who’s worked in Europe has another explanation
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100%.

Salary 4x average UK salary. Maybe more. Hours about the same it seems
 
Newtwo said:
100%.

Salary 4x average UK salary. Maybe more. Hours about the same it seems
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I am not sure about that 4X salary thing... I actually think once you are a consultant you make pretty much the same salary you make here.
And... I think it's worth some money being seen as a physician consultant ... not as an expensive equivalent to a nurse.
 
MoMoGesiologist said:
Can I get a translation of this in American?
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Think of being stuck as a senior resident making 140k for an uncertain amount of time. When I was there I worked with someone that was on his 9th year waiting for a position to open up. At least at Waterford Regional hospital, the hours were much better. Theater started around 8:30-9am. Plenty of breaks and a ton of national holidays. Good gig overall. I think pay was 270k euros for a consultant position. This was 15+ years ago so things may be different now.
 
FWIW, I don’t think an IMG means anything once in PP. Your work ethic, ability to interact with peers and your skill set determine how you are viewed. I have seen some Stanford/Harvard guys not do very well in our practice. They have since moved on (let them go early). Pedigree does not mean anything if you are not able to do the job.
Full stop.
 
Planktonmd said:
I am not sure about that 4X salary thing... I actually think once you are a consultant you make pretty much the same salary you make here.
And... I think it's worth some money being seen as a physician consultant ... not as an expensive equivalent to a nurse.
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Im not making it up. Google it if you like. The info is all easily available.

Starting NHS salary for a consultant (who could be pgy10 with 2 fellowships, and a phd) is 100k GBP
Starting Irish Salary is about 120k euro

There were definintely older contracts that were very lucrative, and also some do PP over there which is also very good. But thats not the average. Far from it. And theyre long gone
 
Consultant neurosurgeon makes 138 k dollars in the UK while a preventive health specialist makes around 200 k dollars in the US . The NHS is really bad very very very long years to become a specialist to become neurologist in the US 4 years its done . In the UK 3 years of Internal medicine and then 5 years of neurology with half the salary.
 
I live in Jordan the middle east i have been boarded with 3 boards and Irish college of anesthesiologists exams I love the US so I did steps and maybe will apply for the next match hopefully
 
Newtwo said:
Im not making it up. Google it if you like. The info is all easily available.

Starting NHS salary for a consultant (who could be pgy10 with 2 fellowships, and a phd) is 100k GBP
Starting Irish Salary is about 120k euro

There were definintely older contracts that were very lucrative, and also some do PP over there which is also very good. But thats not the average. Far from it. And theyre long gone
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i just talked to someone who trained there and is now practicing here. their residency is way longer, but they also work much less than we do here as residents, and have higher salaries. he said in his anesthesiology residency 8th year, he was making more money than as a 1st year attending. and he said you have way more autonomy as a senior resident than here. also he had no burden of loans by the time he became attending. as attendings they make less than here.
 
Sonny Crocket said:
Maybe he/she doesn’t have an ego problem...
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This is not an “ego” problem. It’s an almost total lack of respect for anesthesiologists in this country problem.
After all, now we have nurse anesthesiologists, and we are all now “providers”.
Just because some of us have a problem with that and want to be differentiated from mid levels and nurses does not mean we have an “ego problem.”
You don’t have a problem with that, good for you. Don’t accuse others who want a basic modicum of respect and differentiation as having ego problems.
 
sevoflurane said:
Think of being stuck as a senior resident making 140k for an uncertain amount of time. When I was there I worked with someone that was on his 9th year waiting for a position to open up. At least at Waterford Regional hospital, the hours were much better. Theater started around 8:30-9am. Plenty of breaks and a ton of national holidays. Good gig overall. I think pay was 270k euros for a consultant position. This was 15+ years ago so things may be different now.
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Dude, I would gladly take that. To start at 9 and get treated better? Sign me up.
 
anbuitachi said:
i just talked to someone who trained there and is now practicing here. their residency is way longer, but they also work much less than we do here as residents, and have higher salaries. he said in his anesthesiology residency 8th year, he was making more money than as a 1st year attending. and he said you have way more autonomy as a senior resident than here. also he had no burden of loans by the time he became attending. as attendings they make less than here.
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Probably balances out.
 
chocomorsel said:
Probably balances out.
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It doesnt. Believe me ive done the math 1000x. Your 4th to 6th year as staff you would break even with them (factoring in your cost of education vs theirs for free - which it actually isnt) then every year thereafter you make average 250k more

Start at 9? That may be the case for some community hospitals in the UK but do you think St Georges trainees start ORs at 9am? a place with 1500 beds - i dont think so.

And if you think trainees are treated 'well' then maybe yes, maybe no. why were they all on strike recently? Google Dr Bawa-Garba. No different to north america there are good hospitals for trainees and bad ones. This site is full of threads about good places and bad places
 
Newtwo said:
It doesnt. Believe me ive done the math 1000x. Your 4th to 6th year as staff you would break even with them (factoring in your cost of education vs theirs for free - which it actually isnt) then every year thereafter you make average 250k more

Start at 9? That may be the case for some community hospitals in the UK but do you think St Georges trainees start ORs at 9am? a place with 1500 beds - i dont think so.

And if you think trainees are treated 'well' then maybe yes, maybe no. why were they all on strike recently? Google Dr Bawa-Garba. No different to north america there are good hospitals for trainees and bad ones. This site is full of threads about good places and bad places
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Guess you would have more authority on this issue. It just feels like in this country we do so much nonsense for the love of money. And it’s all about thoroughput, like we are pushing thru a bunch of cattle. I mean I got dentists getting pissed when l cancel sick kids.
Annoying.
Can get frustrating.
 
chocomorsel said:
This is not an “ego” problem. It’s an almost total lack of respect for anesthesiologists in this country problem.
After all, now we have nurse anesthesiologists, and we are all now “providers”.
Just because some of us have a problem with that and want to be differentiated from mid levels and nurses does not mean we have an “ego problem.”
You don’t have a problem with that, good for you. Don’t accuse others who want a basic modicum of respect and differentiation as having ego problems.
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Ask yourself why you need the “respect.”
 
chocomorsel said:
Ask yourself why you want to be disrespected.
Is it so hard to give and receive respect?

Because I am a Goddamned Professional ADULT, that’s why.
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Not saying we shouldn’t treat each other with respect. Just saying maybe let go of the need an you will be happier. I’m on your side bro. Respect is more about how you carry yourself. If you are worried about nurses taking over anesthesia, let’s not forget that a lot of MD groups (We) train them.
 
Sonny Crocket said:
Not saying we shouldn’t treat each other with respect. Just saying maybe let go of the need an you will be happier. I’m on your side bro. Respect is more about how you carry yourself. If you are worried about nurses taking over anesthesia, let’s not forget that a lot of MD groups (We) train them.
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I am not a bro. So I likely get more disrespected than you ever will.
I don’t need it. I just expect a reciprocated effort.
And sometimes, I get blatant attitudes and maltreatment from CRNAd simply because they can. Not because I treat them badly. So yeah, it’s a problem.
 
MoMoGesiologist said:
How do they maltreat? That sounds fireable
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Nurses running wild. Even the charge nurse has a bad attitude. The anesthesia boss doesn’t stand up to them. He’s a bit soft.
When I told the boss about some examples he defended what wonderful CRNAs they were. My response was, the two are not mutually exclusive. They induce without calling all the time. It’s a bad culture that’s allowed. I am locums and don’t plan on being there forever. Make good money there so deal with the BS.
Not my practice permanently so I stopped caring. I do my best to be available for all the inductions and such.
 
chocomorsel said:
Nurses running wild. Even the charge nurse has a bad attitude. The anesthesia boss doesn’t stand up to them. He’s a bit soft.
When I told the boss about some examples he defended what wonderful CRNAs they were. My response was, the two are not mutually exclusive. They induce without calling all the time. It’s a bad culture that’s allowed. I am locums and don’t plan on being there forever. Make good money there so deal with the BS.
Not my practice permanently so I stopped caring. I do my best to be available for all the inductions and such.
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What you are describing is not a rare situation.
Anesthesia nurses in general have more political reach than you, and they are always willing to take any opportunity to push the AANA agenda, even the nice ones who smile and socialize with you, they still try to undermine you at every occasion.
 
I think you all know the cause and probably the solution to your problem.

Cause is greed.

Solution is to beef up your residency and make it noticeably more comprehensive than the nurses. There is just no way anesthesia residency can be done in 3.5 years in the OR or ICU. Just impossible when the rest of the English speaking world take 5 to 8 years.

And that's the rub. There's not much difference on paper between you two so they claim.

They can't do that to a Canadian, a brit or an aussie. And they don't.
 
Newtwo said:
I think you all know the cause and probably the solution to your problem.

Cause is greed.

Solution is to beef up your residency and make it noticeably more comprehensive than the nurses. There is just no way anesthesia residency can be done in 3.5 years in the OR or ICU. Just impossible when the rest of the English speaking world take 5 to 8 years.

And that's the rub. There's not much difference on paper between you two so they claim.

They can't do that to a Canadian, a brit or an aussie. And they don't.
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No thanks... not sure why it takes 5-8 years overseas but 3 years is more than enough time in America
 
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