Immunization tests

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I'm sure they'll drug test you in pharmacy school. I don't think they test you for drugs at immunization though.
 
As far as I know, the drug tests are for jobs only, it wasn't part of immunization screening required prior to the start of school.
 

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At CCP we had to be drug tested before rotations. (just stop about 1 month prior to the start of them and you should be all good 😉 )
 
Any one with an experience of getting exempt from the HBV? It is "required" at the school I've been accepted to but I took the first shot in the series and experienced severe headaches (I have rarely ever had a headache in my life other than the days following the shot). I really do not want to take the second and third shot in the series because of my reaction and also because of the controversy about the vaccine.
 
UTstdnt said:
Any one with an experience of getting exempt from the HBV? It is "required" at the school I've been accepted to but I took the first shot in the series and experienced severe headaches (I have rarely ever had a headache in my life other than the days following the shot). I really do not want to take the second and third shot in the series because of my reaction and also because of the controversy about the vaccine.
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what controversy ?
 
to me a headache would not be worth the risk you take without the vaccine.

no one in my class was exempted from it... everyone griped about having to do it though....


discuss it with your doctor
 
Mapi said:
what controversy ?
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Look it up guys. Educate yourself. I suggest looking at other than US publications.
 
UTstdnt said:
Any one with an experience of getting exempt from the HBV? It is "required" at the school I've been accepted to but I took the first shot in the series and experienced severe headaches (I have rarely ever had a headache in my life other than the days following the shot). I really do not want to take the second and third shot in the series because of my reaction and also because of the controversy about the vaccine.
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You need it to protect yourself and your patients. Unless you had a severe allergic reaction, I would not expect the requirement to be waived. I felt icky after my first Hep B shot, but not the latter two.
 
According to my research, 0.3% of the US population are chronic carriers. Transmission occurs through needle sticks and risky sexual behavior. I understand that some medical personnel are at risk but I hardly see the potential risk to myself as a pharmacist. In my opinion, the risks associated with being injected with mercury in the form of thimerosal are much greater.

I could go on and on but I will spare you my opinion. Basically I don't see how Hep B is as much of a problem as we are being led to believe and I hardly think it is justified to require immunization of all the children in our country with a risky vaccine. The nurse who gave me the first dose just gave me a blank stare when I brought up my concerns and the information sheet she gave me didn't even mention that the vaccine contains thimerosal. I am concerned about the people who are allowing their children to receive the vaccine and are obviously not being informed of the uncertainty about the possible side effects.
 
UTstdnt said:
In my opinion, the risks associated with being injected with mercury in the form of thimerosal are much greater.
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Word of advice...if the web site you are reading gives a list of lawyers who will be happy to handle your case...take it with a grain of salt.
 
What case? I am not planning on suing for headaches.

I know that many websites that talk about the side effects of vaccines are over the top and have ulterior motives. That is why I get my information from scientific journals, CDC, congressional hearings and rulings, etc. But I look for the ulterior motives as I read those as well.
 
I just got my first dose of the varicella vaccine today. sure took a hit to the pocketbook... $70... 👎 another dose in a month meaning another $70 👎
 
I'd rather have a headache than Hep B. Pharmacy students run the risk of exposure when participating in clinicals, internships, practicals, etc. It's standard fare for healthcare workers, childcare workers, school employees, etc. The risks from the vaccine are minimal. I wouldn't have allowed my infant daughter to be vaccinated if it were dangerous. I had a long talk with her PedsMD about the relative safety and efficacy of various vaccines. The bottom line (for me anyway): vaccines save lives and the benefits almost always outweigh the risks.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/rationale_hbv_iz.pdf


I had the HepA vaccine too. No big deal there.

Typhoid vaccine - there's a fun one. I had to get it before a school trip to Central America. I swear, the needle was as big around as a soda straw and I couldn't lift my arm for two days afterward! 😱



Oh yeah, laying off the MJ a month or two before your drug test will help with the pee test, but if they test your hair, you might get busted. It can be detectable in hair for a loooong time. I personally have never understood the appeal of drugs - maybe I'm square...
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Oh yeah, laying off the MJ a month or two before your drug test will help with the pee test, but if they test your hair, you might get busted. It can be detectable in hair for a loooong time. I personally have never understood the appeal of drugs - maybe I'm square...
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so how long does good ole mj stay in your hair anyways? just wonderinn :idea:
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Till it (your hair) falls out, I think!
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That's correct. The metabolites from the drugs are imbedded in the hair strand and stays. The one good thing is, typically tests are run only on the first 1.5 inches growing out from the head. So divide that by how much the hair grows per month and you know how far ahead of time to quit. Had to do a little research on the matter...don't ask me why...I'll never tell. :meanie:
 
utpharmdude said:
I just got my first dose of the varicella vaccine today. sure took a hit to the pocketbook... $70... 👎 another dose in a month meaning another $70 👎
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You guys need to shop around for shots! All shots aren't priced equally everywhere!
 
All4MyDaughter said:
I wouldn't have allowed my infant daughter to be vaccinated if it were dangerous. I had a long talk with her PedsMD about the relative safety and efficacy of various vaccines.
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Are you aware that clinical trials were not conducted on infants? By now many infants have been vaccinated, and according to the website you listed, adverse events are rare. However, I find it interesting to say the least that the incidence of autism has risen concurrently with the HBV distribution. And public opinion polls have shown that many americans believe that the rise in autism is linked to mercury in the vaccines. Personally, I would not allow my children to be injected with a neurotoxin at a critical stage in their early development, no matter what my children's MD said.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
It's standard fare for healthcare workers, childcare workers, school employees, etc.
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Just because everybody's doing it doesn't make it right.
 
UTstdnt said:
Are you aware that clinical trials were not conducted on infants? By now many infants have been vaccinated, and according to the website you listed, adverse events are rare. However, I find it interesting to say the least that the incidence of autism has risen concurrently with the HBV distribution. And public opinion polls have shown that many americans believe that the rise in autism is linked to mercury in the vaccines. Personally, I would not allow my children to be injected with a neurotoxin at a critical stage in their early development, no matter what my children's MD said.
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Public opinion polls do not science make.

Why would autism rates rise along with HepB vaccination levels? The simplest answer is that kids who have access to early healthcare are more likely to be diagnosed if they have autism, leading to an apparent, but not a real increase in incidence relative to the rest of the population. Also, parents whose childrem have autism are more likely to recall administration of the series, as they are looking for answers. This phenomenon is called "recall bias". Personally, I don't think there is a damn bit of controversy within the medical community, at least among people who are practicing evidence based, rather than media based medicine.
 
UTstdnt said:
Are you aware that clinical trials were not conducted on infants? By now many infants have been vaccinated, and according to the website you listed, adverse events are rare. However, I find it interesting to say the least that the incidence of autism has risen concurrently with the HBV distribution. And public opinion polls have shown that many americans believe that the rise in autism is linked to mercury in the vaccines. Personally, I would not allow my children to be injected with a neurotoxin at a critical stage in their early development, no matter what my children's MD said.
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Public opinion polls do not science make.

Why would autism rates rise along with HepB vaccination levels? The simplest answer is that kids who have acces to early healthcare are more likely to be diagnosed if they have autism, leading to an apparent, but not a real increase in incidence relative to the rest of the population. Also, parents whose children have autism are more likely to recall administration of the series, as they are looking for answers. This phenomenon is called "recall bias". Personally, I don't think there is a damn bit of real controversy within the medical community, at least among people who are practicing evidence based, rather than media based medicine.
 
UTstdnt said:
According to my research, 0.3% of the US population are chronic carriers. Transmission occurs through needle sticks and risky sexual behavior. I understand that some medical personnel are at risk but I hardly see the potential risk to myself as a pharmacist. In my opinion, the risks associated with being injected with mercury in the form of thimerosal are much greater.

I could go on and on but I will spare you my opinion. Basically I don't see how Hep B is as much of a problem as we are being led to believe and I hardly think it is justified to require immunization of all the children in our country with a risky vaccine. The nurse who gave me the first dose just gave me a blank stare when I brought up my concerns and the information sheet she gave me didn't even mention that the vaccine contains thimerosal. I am concerned about the people who are allowing their children to receive the vaccine and are obviously not being informed of the uncertainty about the possible side effects.
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Vaccination is a public health issue, moreso than a personal health issue. When stubborn people refuse to cooperate it puts everyone else at risk. As a healthcare provider you will have an obligation to appreciate the importance of vaccinations, be vaccinated yourself, and promote appropriate vaccinations amongst your patients. And, your view of "appropriate" needs to be based on the current state of clinical evidence, not unfounded fears.

You might want to read up on the presence of thiomersal in vaccines here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/thimerosal/faqs-thimerosal.htm#1

Regarding the lack of a link between autism and thiomersal:
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/thimerosal/faqs-thimerosal.htm#9
 
bananaface said:
Public opinion polls do not science make.

Why would autism rates rise along with HepB vaccination levels? The simplest answer is that kids who have acces to early healthcare are more likely to be diagnosed if they have autism, leading to an apparent, but not a real increase in incidence relative to the rest of the population. Also, parents whose childrem have autism are more likely to recall administration of the series, as they are looking for answers. This phenomenon is called "recall bias". Personally, I don't think there is a damn bit of real controversy within the medical community, at least among people who are practicing evidence based, rather than media based medicine.
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Great post, bananaface!

My mother is a professor of pediatrics, clinical psychologist and autism expert. She feels that one explanation for the perceived "increase in incidence" of autism and related disorders (overall, not just related to vaccines) is the current availability and evolution of sophisticated diagnostic systems and tools that allow practionners to recognize symptoms of autism in kids who in years past might be just be considered "strange" or "different."

So we may be seeing an "increase in diagnosis" rather than an "increase in incidence." Better diagnosis is good because it increases access to life-enhancing therapies, but an unintended consequence is the (most likely) false perception that "autism is on the rise." With this perception comes the frantic search for a reason - and vaccines are just one of the "potential causes" that have been scrutinized.

Stress in the parents of autistic children (this was my mother's dissertation topic) is enormous. It's a devastating diagnosis and parents will look anywhere and everywhere for a reason. There is plenty of speculation - vaccines, diet, environmental toxins - but almost no evidence that any of those are the cause. The shame in this is that parents can be easily misled into trying strange diets, chasing miracle cures, skipping vaccines, etc.

In the case of opting out of childhood vaccinations, parents who do so put not only their children at risk, but also the general population, as the effect of "herd immunity" is compromised.

The only medical person who ever told me not to vaccinate my child was a chiropractor I saw for carpal tunnel syndrome while I was pregnant. He also told me he could cure vaginal yeast infections with weekly spinal adjustments. Do I need to say more???
 
bananaface said:
Public opinion polls do not science make.
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Who are you, Yoda?

I only mentioned the public opinion polls to let you guys know that there are people other than myself who question use of heavy metals in vaccines.

I suppose I should believe the study that showed vaccines containing heavy metals actually improved brain function. Hey, it was real science...even though it totally contradicts common sense.

I just don't understand why all newborns are being vaccinated when they are basically at zero risk for the disease. And when studies come out claiming that mercury containing vaccines improve brain function in children, I smell propaganda. Heck, I hope I am wrong, believe me. But it seems fishy to me, that's all I am saying. I know it's tough to accept that science is not infallible but it's a fact. Health care is a business, run by people, and people make mistakes.
 
Okay, I read the links posted above and learned some new things...

I already knew that there were recommendations to vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal since 1999. But from everything I had read, this had not happened. But according to the FDA website and the CDC website, vaccines for kids no longer contain thimerosal or only contain trace amounts since 1999, except for the influenza vaccine. So this makes me feel better about it.

And re: autism, everything you all said absolutely makes sense. As I said before, I only mentioned that to illustrate that I am not alone in my concerns.
 
I will elaborate a bit, since I am sitting on rotation, bored. But anyways, the main reason that infants are vaccinated when they are is not becuase they are at high risk for the disease, but the disease has more fatalities, etc associated with the neonatal and infant periods. Basically, if an infant were to get the disease, their outcome is MUCH, MUCH worse than if they would get the disease later in life, partly becuase they do not have the immune response that older children have, much less the ability to make cells such as leukocytes (why you see most infants with a low temp during infection instead of high temps). Hope this helps a bit. You will learn a lot more in your immunizations class along with med microbiology and immunology. Trust me, the threat of the diseases is much worse than the possible risks of the injections.
 
I got my hepatitis B vaccine long ago. I need to get titered for it though to make sure I am immune.

If i have only had a very mild case of chicken pox should i get thechicken pox vaccine? I heard (ancedotally) that if you haveamild case you can get a baaaad adult case later.
 
aubieRx said:
If i have only had a very mild case of chicken pox should i get thechicken pox vaccine? I heard (ancedotally) that if you haveamild case you can get a baaaad adult case later.
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You are correct that a mild case of chicken pox does not necessarily yield lifetime immunity. I had chicken pox twice as a child, the first time being mild. Since you are an adult, it may not be a bad idea to be vaccinated if you are worried about a second infection.

I personally would rather see kids get chicken pox than the vaccine prior to age 13. We have not established that the vaccine gives lifetime immunity. And you know that adults are not just going to go in for boosters if it turns out that is not that case. (How many people do you think are current on their tetanus vaccine?) Unless it gives lifetime immunity, we are setting ourselves up for a later outbreak in the adult population. I would rather see that vaccine recommended for age 13+ in those who have not previously had chicken pox. I disagree with the current CDC recommendation of giving the vaccine to all kids.
 
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