Impeachment

[Mikkel]

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My predictions:

1) Joe Biden will be called as a witness and sworn in under oath.

2) Joe Biden will testify that he did not pressure the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor.

3) Tape of Joe Biden admitting to pressuring the prosecutor will be played.

4) Joe Biden will be arrested in the US Senate for committing perjury.

5) Adam Schiff will be called as a witness and sworn in under oath.

6) Adam Schiff will testify that his office coordinated with the "whistleblower" and that he lied previously about there not being any coordination.

7) Senate will vote to acquit Trump.

 

[deleted162650]

 

[thinkorswim]

My bold prediction: peach mint is an overrated ice cream flavor.

 

[pgg]

My predictions:

1) Joe Biden will be called as a witness and sworn in under oath.

2) Joe Biden will testify that he did not pressure the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor.

3) Tape of Joe Biden admitting to pressuring the prosecutor will be played.

4) Joe Biden will be arrested in the US Senate for committing perjury.

5) Adam Schiff will be called as a witness and sworn in under oath.

6) Adam Schiff will testify that his office coordinated with the "whistleblower" and that he lied previously about there not being any coordination.

7) Senate will vote to acquit Trump.

There, FTFY

You're absolutely deranged if you think Biden would be "arrested in the US Senate" ... do you actually believe this nonsense? Are you really that detached from reality? Are you just trolling?

 

[vector2]

Five takeaways from Parnas's Maddow interview

Rudy Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas revealed new accusations against President Trump and his administration in an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Wednesday night.

A day after the House published evidence provided by Parnas for the Senate impeachment trial, Parnas unveiled his take on what has been going on behind the scenes with the White House’s Ukraine policy.

Giuliani’s associate connected Trump directly to the controversy and pressure campaign in Ukraine to get the country to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who sat on the board of the Ukrainian company Burisma.

Here are some of the accusations that Parnas made:

1. He claimed Trump threatened to withhold more than just military aid from Ukraine

Parnas claimed that the president threatened to withhold all aid from Ukraine if it did not publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens, and he delivered that “very harsh message” to Ukrainian officials on behalf of Giuliani and Trump.


“The message was: It wasn’t just military aid. It was all aid,” he said. “Basically the relationship would be sour. We would stop giving them any kind of aid.”
The associate to the president’s personal attorney said the aid was clearly contingent on U.S. demands, primarily the launch of an investigation into the Bidens. Parnas's claims counter what Trump has said, which is that there was no explicit quid pro quo between him and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.


2. He implicated Attorney General Barr, saying he “had to have known everything”

Giuliani’s associate continued by connecting Attorney General Bill Barr to the pressure campaign, saying that Giuliani had contacted the attorney general about the attempts to get Ukraine to announce a Biden investigation

“Barr had to have known everything,” he said. “Attorney General Barr was basically on the team."

A Justice Department spokesperson told Maddow that the claim was “100 percent false.” The spokesperson repeated the same statement to The Hill.

3. “Trump knew exactly what was going on”

Parnas also directly connected Trump to the Ukraine pressure campaign to investigate the Bidens, saying the president “knew exactly what was going on.”

Maddow asked Parnas about that “main inaccuracy or the main lie being told” that he felt he could correct.

He responded: “That the president didn’t know what was going on. President Trump knew exactly what was going on.”

Parnas continued, saying that he would not act without “the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president,” and added that Trump’s claim that he doesn't know Parnas is a lie.

4. He alleged Pence skipped Zelenksy's inauguration because of Ukraine pressure campaign

Parnas accused Vice President Mike Pence of being in the know, adding that the vice president's planned trip to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksy’s inauguration was canceled because the country refused to announce a Biden investigation.

“Oh, I know 100 percent,” Parnas said. “It was 100 percent.”

When Maddow asked if the vice president knew his visit was involved in a “quid pro quo,” Parnas quoted Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland’s comments during the impeachment inquiry: “Everybody was in the loop.”

Maddow said her show reached out to Pence for comment but did not receive a response.

5. He asserted that the Ukraine campaign “was never about corruption [but] strictly about Burisma”

Giuliani’s associate also claimed that the White House’s call for a Ukrainian investigation “was never about corruption." Instead, it was focused solely on Burisma.

"And that was another thing that they were looking into, but it was never about corruption," Parnas said. "It was never — it was strictly about Burisma, which included Hunter Biden and Joe Biden."

Parnas's assertion negates the White House’s claims that the administration was attempting to root out corruption when Trump asked Zelensky to examine Biden’s past.

Five takeaways from Parnas’s Maddow interview

Rudy Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas revealed new accusations against President Trump and his administration in an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Wednesday night.

thehill.com

LOL, yep, sure thing Rudy, the president's personal lawyer trying to set up a meeting with a foreign head of state under the guise of POTUS being a private citizen must happen all the time.

 

[Mikkel]

There, FTFY

You're absolutely deranged if you think Biden would be "arrested in the US Senate" ... do you actually believe this nonsense? Are you really that detached from reality? Are you just trolling?

I think it's on the same level of improbability that Trump is somehow a secret Russian double agent this whole time. Yet, that idea was promoted as a legitimate idea on CNN and MSNBC for 3 years, and actual politicians like Adam Schiff, Pelosi, Biden promoted that idea in lockstep with the media.

I don't think Biden will be arrested on the Senate floor, but he might be transferred to a senior memory care center after his testimony is nothing more than a garbled mess.

 

[pgg]

My predictions:

[...]

4) Joe Biden will be arrested in the US Senate for committing perjury.

[...]

I think [my prediction is] on the same level of improbability that Trump is somehow a secret Russian double agent

So, that's not actually your prediction. You don't actually think it will happen.

You're trolling. Stop.

 

[deleted126335]

Five takeaways from Parnas's Maddow interview

Rudy Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas revealed new accusations against President Trump and his administration in an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Wednesday night.

A day after the House published evidence provided by Parnas for the Senate impeachment trial, Parnas unveiled his take on what has been going on behind the scenes with the White House’s Ukraine policy.

Giuliani’s associate connected Trump directly to the controversy and pressure campaign in Ukraine to get the country to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who sat on the board of the Ukrainian company Burisma.

Here are some of the accusations that Parnas made:

1. He claimed Trump threatened to withhold more than just military aid from Ukraine

Parnas claimed that the president threatened to withhold all aid from Ukraine if it did not publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens, and he delivered that “very harsh message” to Ukrainian officials on behalf of Giuliani and Trump.


“The message was: It wasn’t just military aid. It was all aid,” he said. “Basically the relationship would be sour. We would stop giving them any kind of aid.”
The associate to the president’s personal attorney said the aid was clearly contingent on U.S. demands, primarily the launch of an investigation into the Bidens. Parnas's claims counter what Trump has said, which is that there was no explicit quid pro quo between him and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.


2. He implicated Attorney General Barr, saying he “had to have known everything”

Giuliani’s associate continued by connecting Attorney General Bill Barr to the pressure campaign, saying that Giuliani had contacted the attorney general about the attempts to get Ukraine to announce a Biden investigation

“Barr had to have known everything,” he said. “Attorney General Barr was basically on the team."

A Justice Department spokesperson told Maddow that the claim was “100 percent false.” The spokesperson repeated the same statement to The Hill.

3. “Trump knew exactly what was going on”

Parnas also directly connected Trump to the Ukraine pressure campaign to investigate the Bidens, saying the president “knew exactly what was going on.”

Maddow asked Parnas about that “main inaccuracy or the main lie being told” that he felt he could correct.

He responded: “That the president didn’t know what was going on. President Trump knew exactly what was going on.”

Parnas continued, saying that he would not act without “the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president,” and added that Trump’s claim that he doesn't know Parnas is a lie.

4. He alleged Pence skipped Zelenksy's inauguration because of Ukraine pressure campaign

Parnas accused Vice President Mike Pence of being in the know, adding that the vice president's planned trip to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksy’s inauguration was canceled because the country refused to announce a Biden investigation.

“Oh, I know 100 percent,” Parnas said. “It was 100 percent.”

When Maddow asked if the vice president knew his visit was involved in a “quid pro quo,” Parnas quoted Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland’s comments during the impeachment inquiry: “Everybody was in the loop.”

Maddow said her show reached out to Pence for comment but did not receive a response.

5. He asserted that the Ukraine campaign “was never about corruption [but] strictly about Burisma”

Giuliani’s associate also claimed that the White House’s call for a Ukrainian investigation “was never about corruption." Instead, it was focused solely on Burisma.

"And that was another thing that they were looking into, but it was never about corruption," Parnas said. "It was never — it was strictly about Burisma, which included Hunter Biden and Joe Biden."

Parnas's assertion negates the White House’s claims that the administration was attempting to root out corruption when Trump asked Zelensky to examine Biden’s past.

Five takeaways from Parnas’s Maddow interview

Rudy Giuliani’s associate Lev Parnas revealed new accusations against President Trump and his administration in an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Wednesday night.

thehill.com

LOL, yep, sure thing Rudy, the president's personal lawyer trying to set up a meeting with a foreign head of state under the guise of POTUS being a private citizen must happen all the time.

Rudy is trying to have it both ways. Claiming attorney client privilege as Trump’s personal attorney not really part of official US foreign policy apparatus simultaneously functioning exactly that way. Kinda like a CRNA who likes to pretend they are autonomous till the excrement hits the fan.


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[btbam]

I think it's on the same level of improbability that Trump is somehow a secret Russian double agent this whole time. Yet, that idea was promoted as a legitimate idea on CNN and MSNBC for 3 years, and actual politicians like Adam Schiff, Pelosi, Biden promoted that idea in lockstep with the media.

I don't think Biden will be arrested on the Senate floor, but he might be transferred to a senior memory care center after his testimony is nothing more than a garbled mess.

Yea cause every sentence that comes out of Trump’s mouth is perfectly coherent

 

[caligas]

So who here thinks that Trump is a decent person and a relatively honest, solid leader who’s primary objective is the best interests of the people of the United States?

I’m not going to debate you, just curious.

 

[Mikkel]

So who here thinks that Trump is a decent person and a relatively honest, solid leader who’s primary objective is the best interests of the people of the United States?

I’m not going to debate you, just curious.

I think Trump's political platform speaks for itself.

His main motivation might be to be known as the greatest president in United States history, and in order to do that he developed an America First platform that prioritized American citizens.

 

[caligas]

I think Trump's political platform speaks for itself.

His main motivation might be to be known as the greatest president in United States history, and in order to do that he developed an America First platform that prioritized American citizens.

I guess what I’m asking, and maybe it doesn’t matter, is when you look at him do you see an honest, decent human? (Adjusted for the politician scale, of course)

 

[deleted162650]

I guess what I’m asking, and maybe it doesn’t matter, is when you look at him do you see an honest, decent human? (Adjusted for the politician scale, of course)

I don’t see that when I look at ANY politician.

Trump just isn’t as good at hiding it , that’s all.

 

[Mikkel]

I guess what I’m asking, and maybe it doesn’t matter, is when you look at him do you see an honest, decent human? (Adjusted for the politician scale, of course)

When I look at Trump I see Trump. He is what he is. I voted for him despite him being self serving and immoral, but Democrat and Republican politicians are the same.

More importantly, when you look at political platform, Trump's platform is infinitely better than what the Democrats are offering (citizenship and welfare benefits for illegal aliens, debt forgiveness for college students but higher taxes for me, endless foreign wars, etc).

 

[KungPOWChicken]

By far my biggest concern is my retirement and the economy. I think this is true with most working class Americans. I recently read an article in which Ocasio Cortez said the stock market is NOT important because many people don’t invest in it. I guess she forgot about the millions of Americans who have 401k’s. I know who I’m voting for.

 

[MoMoGesiologist]

He’s getting us out of Iraq and economy is doing well. He isn’t doing a bad job if we look at things objectively

 

[cks33]

He’s getting us out of Iraq and economy is doing well. He isn’t doing a bad job if we look at things objectively

Look at the tax cuts and deficit spending objectively? I've said this a million times, none of us benefit from that, as none of us (most likely) make more than 5 m a year. The income disparity that republicans/conservatives keep pushing is shameful. Also, removing regulations for clean air and water really don't help anyone.

 

[AMEHigh]

He’s getting us out of Iraq and economy is doing well. He isn’t doing a bad job if we look at things objectively

Even looking at things objectively, people have different needs. Also some things can’t be measured via numbers although important. You can measure certain things in medicine with pure numbers, but many you can’t.

For farmers, objectively things aren’t going well.
For people who need to access reproductive health care, objectively things aren’t going well.
For people who have to pay taxes and aren’t top earners, things aren’t going objectively well (specifically in 2025 when the individual changes expire).
For people in the military who are transgender, things aren’t going objectively well.
Etc.

I just bring that up to point out that people can absolutely be objective and still disagree with current policies and trends of this administration.

 

[vector2]

 

[caligas]

let me say this and then I’ll try to shut up for a while:

I FREQUENTLY try to put myself in the mindset of his supporters. I try to envision all the best things about him and try to see him as a savvy businessman and strong leader who is putting America first. I reflect on my tax break and my excellent stock market returns.

I would ask those that support him to attempt to view him from my eyes from time to time; as a cruel, morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar, whose primary motivation is further enriching himself and avoiding consequences for his many transgressions.

Maybe one of us will see the light. Maybe it will be me.

 

[deleted126335]

let me say this and then I’ll try to shut up for a while:

I FREQUENTLY try to put myself in the mindset of his supporters. I try to envision all the best things about him and try to see him as a savvy businessman and strong leader who is putting America first. I reflect on my tax break and my excellent stock market returns.

I would ask those that support him to attempt to view him from my eyes from time to time; as a cruel, morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar, whose primary motivation is further enriching himself and avoiding consequences for his many transgressions.

Maybe one of us will see the light. Maybe it will be me.

I don't see any other way to see him. The best I can do is say that I agree with a few of his positions.

 

[Matty44]

let me say this and then I’ll try to shut up for a while:

I FREQUENTLY try to put myself in the mindset of his supporters. I try to envision all the best things about him and try to see him as a savvy businessman and strong leader who is putting America first. I reflect on my tax break and my excellent stock market returns.

I would ask those that support him to attempt to view him from my eyes from time to time; as a cruel, morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar, whose primary motivation is further enriching himself and avoiding consequences for his many transgressions.

Maybe one of us will see the light. Maybe it will be me.

Is Trump cruel? I don't think so.
Morally bankrupt? Sure. Maybe?....Probably...
Narcissist? Yup.
Liar?....uhhhh, he's a politician.

If you wanna view him from the way I view him, try this.

Imagine its 1920. There's no twitter. There's no 24hr news cycle. There's no reporters spending their every breath trying to take him down. There's no Hannitys or Carlsons trying to prop up every single statement he makes. You don't know every dumb thought that goes through his head and out his twitter.

All you have are policies that are made. Job numbers. The stock market. Etc.

Then you compare that to the proposed policies of the left.

Done.

Even if his primary goal was to enrich himself (which I don't believe it is), if all you could see was his policies and how the country overall is doing, and you're able to see that without the non-stop media circus, the impulsive tweets, and the 24/7 smearing of every thought, word, and deed coming from him, would you have a different perception?



BTW, I think his primary goal is to make himself look good (hence the narcissism). I don't think he's financially motivated...

 

[Mikkel]

I would ask those that support him to attempt to view him from my eyes from time to time; as a cruel, morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar, whose primary motivation is further enriching himself and avoiding consequences for his many transgressions.

Coincidentally, I view Obama as a morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar whose motivation as president was to promote himself and enrich himself post-presidency.

Bill Clinton was the same.

Hillary Clinton was the same.

Mitt Romney was the same.

John McCain was the same.

There are a handful of politicians I would consider genuine and serving in the federal government selflessly, but none of them seem to want to run for president.

One of these is Mike Pence, and the fact that he stands behind Trump to this day is evidence enough to quell any fear I have about the executive branch leadership.

 

[2Fast2Des]

Leave the man alone. He is the greatest president this country has ever seen (George Washington, who?) who tirelessly, selflessly sacrifices himself for the 99% of this nation and all we can do is vilify him daily, disrespect him, impeach him and let the tyrants known as Hilary\Bill\Obama run free?? (Don't get me started on that innocent man Epstein)

The man in office approves of allowing us to grab ***** whenever we want and screwing around while having a preggo wife, every man's dream! I mean there is a whole army of women in support of Trump, so if they don't have a problem with him, what's there to cry about? all this fake news about how horrible he is, damn traitorous Libs. He is a man of the people, one of us, he's just trying to get rid of all these Lib regulations that are preventing coal and oil from being the best ever!

I think the impartial Senate will reflect the truth, acquit the poor man as he should and finally let his family stop being abused. I hope he also makes an executive order to remove term limits for himself, this kind of winning and greatness (stock market\unemployment\building the greatest wall) just cannot be allowed to end

 

[Matty44]

Leave the man alone. He is the greatest president this country has ever seen (George Washington, who?) who tirelessly, selflessly sacrifices himself for the 99% of this nation and all we can do is vilify him daily, disrespect him, impeach him and let the tyrants known as Hilary\Bill\Obama run free?? (Don't get me started on that innocent man Epstein)

The man in office approves of allowing us to grab ***** whenever we want and screwing around while having a preggo wife, every man's dream! I mean there is a whole army of women in support of Trump, so if they don't have a problem with him, what's there to cry about? all this fake news about how horrible he is, damn traitorous Libs. He is a man of the people, one of us, he's just trying to get rid of all these Lib regulations that are preventing coal and oil from being the best ever!

I think the impartial Senate will reflect the truth, acquit the poor man as he should and finally let his family stop being abused. I hope he also makes an executive order to remove term limits for himself, this kind of winning and greatness (stock market\unemployment\building the greatest wall) just cannot be allowed to end

Yeah, that’s what anyone is saying....

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[Mikkel]

The man in office approves of allowing us to grab ***** whenever we want and screwing around while having a preggo wife, every man's dream! I mean there is a whole army of women in support of Trump, so if they don't have a problem with him, what's there to cry about? all this fake news about how horrible he is, damn traitorous Libs. He is a man of the people, one of us, he's just trying to get rid of all these Lib regulations that are preventing coal and oil from being the best ever!

I don't get it, I thought leftists were against being the morality police?

You sound like you're trying to slut-shame Trump.

 

[2Fast2Des]

I don't get it, I thought leftists were against being the morality police?

You sound like you're trying to slut-shame Trump.

Quite contrary, I've turned heel and become pro Trump now. I've been starting to realize I've been wrong all this time. The libs have brainwashed reason out of us, Fox News is the only one brave enough to present us truth.

 

[Matty44]

Quite contrary, I've turned heel and become pro Trump now. I've been starting to realize I've been wrong all this time. The libs have brainwashed reason out of us, Fox News is the only one brave enough to present us truth.

Whatever ya gotta do to get through the next five years.

Cheers


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[PieOHmy]

I would ask those that support him to attempt to view him from my eyes from time to time; as a cruel, morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar, whose primary motivation is further enriching himself and avoiding consequences for his many transgressions.

The problem is that they are ALL the same way. Just Trump shows his temperament in public more.
With regards to AMAZON paying zero taxes..
It doesnt matter how much money the govt collects... seriously... they can collect 100 trillion dollars in taxes and still wont be able to balance the budget because government is all ****ED UP..... They cant do ANYTHING right! And thats how Trump won and will win again.

 

[caligas]

The problem is that they are ALL the same way. Just Trump shows his temperament in public more.
With regards to AMAZON paying zero taxes..
It doesnt matter how much money the govt collects... seriously... they can collect 100 trillion dollars in taxes and still wont be able to balance the budget because government is all ****ED UP..... They cant do ANYTHING right! And thats how Trump won and will win again.

I don’t see either of the Bush’s this way. Or Reagan, or Ford. Trump is just an objectively repugnant human, or so I think until I speak to people that like him for some reason. Maybe you’re right and the others just hid it from us.

 

[Matty44]

I don’t see either of the Bush’s this way. Or Reagan, or Ford. Trump is just an objectively repugnant human, or so I think until I speak to people that like him for some reason. Maybe you’re right and the others just hid it from us.

Repugnance is subjective quality. But again, I don’t think many people love Trump and raise him up like some kind of political god-king or whatever nonsense. The people that I know that support him either:

A) don’t like him or his style at all, but like his policies

B) like his brashness in that he punches back against the media and the left, while previous republicans have seemed spineless and wouldn’t call out blatant hate and bias. But they still don’t approve of his personal morals or tweeting etc

C) don’t like him and don’t necessarily support all his policies, but are more afraid of the progressive lefts view for America

I have yet to meet anyone that thinks he’s an amazing guy on a personal level. And I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again. I’ll support an A-hole with policy I agree with any day over a nice person that wants to fundamentally change our country in ways I strongly disagree with.


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[Matty44]

On a side note, I’d love to see how America and the news media would react if someone like Condoleezza Rice was president instead of Trump, but she enacted every single policy and made every decision identical to what Trump has done.

That’d be interesting....


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[caligas]

On a side note, I’d love to see how America and the news media would react if someone like Condoleezza Rice was president instead of Trump, but she enacted every single policy and made every decision identical to what Trump has done.

That’d be interesting....


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I’d probably say that I don’t agree with many of her policies but she is an admirable, honest, qualified leader who would be a good role model for my children, unlike the loathsome POS currently in office.

 

[caligas]

Here’s a fun fantasy for the libs

Redirect Notice

 

[deleted500612]

let me say this and then I’ll try to shut up for a while:

I FREQUENTLY try to put myself in the mindset of his supporters. I try to envision all the best things about him and try to see him as a savvy businessman and strong leader who is putting America first. I reflect on my tax break and my excellent stock market returns.

I would ask those that support him to attempt to view him from my eyes from time to time; as a cruel, morally bankrupt narcissist and pathological liar, whose primary motivation is further enriching himself and avoiding consequences for his many transgressions.

Maybe one of us will see the light. Maybe it will be me.

The thing about this is that all the negatives about him are not unique whatsoever. Cruel, morally bankrupt, pathological liar, primary goal to enrich self and avoid consequences? If you asked these questions in 2016 half the population would slap the buzzer without thinking twice and yell HILLARY CLINTON and they'd all get maximal bonus points for being correct. Is Trump all of these things as well? Sure, but he is not unique in that sense. These are all demonstrably ubiquitous qualities of every politician whether you choose to admit it or not. The main difference that makes Trump unique is that he doesn't play the game of politics, he doesn't put on a charade of being personable and selfless to the public or kiss the establishment's a$$ to make friends. In a way that is preferable to someone like HRC who is equally as unsavory of a person but is duplicitous and scheming about it to the extent she has the establishment in her pocket and her nefarious activity is then swept under the rug in a coordinated fashion, whereas Trump just gives the finger to the political establishment and thus gets called out by them on every single little thing he does in an attempt to sabotage his chances of re-election at any cost because he refuses to suckle at their tit and scratch their back.

The bottom line is that if you are voting for someone based on their "personality" rather than their platform, you are doing it wrong. This isn't about who you want to be your friend and grab a beer with, it's about national policy. Being polite and well spoken doesn't actually fix anything, but does effectively pacify a gullible populace just enough to keep quiet and get on with their day while the ruling political class then continues to enrich themselves at our expense, as is tradition.

 

[pgg]

Here’s a fun fantasy for the libs

Redirect Notice

Not a chance.

It's not even about Trump any more. If they cross over and vote to convict then a Democrat wins the election this year. The realpolitik nature of the world boils down to this: remove Trump, get Sanders/Biden/Warren.

We can pretend they're just looking for cover to get rid of Trump. But that's nonsense.

The interesting day will be a little while into his 2nd term when impeachment rids the party of him but Pence can step in. I think a few GOP Senators might rediscover their moral grounding or suddenly become aware of new evidence, or whatever spins easiest.

For now, they want a Democrat less than they want him. And that's the end of it. And honestly, I'm ... I'm ... not sure I feel differently.

 

[Matty44]

I’d probably say that I don’t agree with many of her policies but she is an admirable, honest, qualified leader who would be a good role model for my children, unlike the loathsome POS currently in office.

Obviously it would be an ideal situation for most republicans/conservatives to get the policies we want in the nice, moral, cozy package of an upstanding human being, instead of Trump. But unfortunately that’s not a choice we have at this point.


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[Lawpy]

By far my biggest concern is my retirement and the economy. I think this is true with most working class Americans. I recently read an article in which Ocasio Cortez said the stock market is NOT important because many people don’t invest in it. I guess she forgot about the millions of Americans who have 401k’s. I know who I’m voting for.

Economy is always critical, which is why I always urge people to study and learn economics and finance when given the opportunity.

 

[Mikkel]

Quite contrary, I've turned heel and become pro Trump now. I've been starting to realize I've been wrong all this time. The libs have brainwashed reason out of us, Fox News is the only one brave enough to present us truth.

Fox News reported on the abhorrent abuse of the FISA courts.

Did CNN or MSNBC report on this?

 

[pgg]

I FREQUENTLY try to put myself in the mindset of his supporters. I try to envision all the best things about him and try to see him as a savvy businessman and strong leader who is putting America first. I reflect on my tax break and my excellent stock market returns.

Where I think you're going wrong is in trying to put yourself in the mindset of people who think he's a corruption fighting misunderstood "good guy" beset by the evil Deep State. There are people who think this, but they're a tiny minority. There are even some who think he's a strong leader. Somehow they seem to be able to reconcile the high turnover and at times utter chaos of his administration with good leadership. I also think the number of people with this level of cognitive dissonance are a small minority.

The shoes you might want to walk in for a bit are those of the GOP voters who fear what Democrats will do to them, who are rallying behind the only guy who's shown them any teeth.

Essentially none of his base got a tax break. Lots of them don't have any skin in the stock market. The trade war with China has harmed some people in flyover states. (Fewer than the media would have you believe, and to a smaller degree, but it's hard to argue that the trade war has really helped many individual Americans thus far.) GOP policies may well be a net negative to flyover red state economies.

The left sees this and their response is to offer mockery and scorn for poor rural GOP voters who "vote against their own best interest." The more polite among them might just express some condescending pity for these sad, dumb, manipulated pawns. It never seems to occur to them that many of those voters have deeply held moral beliefs that they care about more than their paycheck. Abortion, religion, gun rights being the big 3.

My pro-choice position is well established here, but it's easy for me to understand the mindset of people who think it's murder. Who are they going to vote for? Someone who'll appoint another Kagan or Sotomayor? Or another Gorsuch or Kavanaugh? Trump's "business savvy" or lack thereof isn't relevant here.

A whole of conservative religious people are straight up freaking the hell out when it comes to the mainstreaming of transgender issues. They're fresh off a series of big losses with regard to gay rights and they're anxious about losing on a whole new level. Whatever ... they think they're taking a moral stand.

As for guns - look no further than my own (current) home state of Virginia. A red state, turned purple, turned blue - and the very first thing the new Democrat government tries to do (they started before the new legislators were even sworn in!!) is ban and confiscate essentially every firearm in the state. The only way this gets stopped is in the courts. And Trump has appointed a lot of judges.


I commend you for trying to understand the mindset of Trump supporters, but you're putting your feet in the wrong shoes and walking the wrong mile. Look not to the small cohort in his personality cult, but rather to the multitudes who see him as the most viable current defense vs Democrats.

 

[vector2]

Where I think you're going wrong is in trying to put yourself in the mindset of people who think he's a corruption fighting misunderstood "good guy" beset by the evil Deep State. There are people who think this, but they're a tiny minority. There are even some who think he's a strong leader. Somehow they seem to be able to reconcile the high turnover and at times utter chaos of his administration with good leadership. I also think the number of people with this level of cognitive dissonance are a small minority.


I commend you for trying to understand the mindset of Trump supporters, but you're putting your feet in the wrong shoes and walking the wrong mile. Look not to the small cohort in his personality cult, but rather to the multitudes who see him as the most viable current defense vs Democrats.

I honestly think you need to reevaluate which cohort is the "small minority" because I believe you are seriously misjudging the 46% that voted for him and the 40% that approve of him. Is it possible that perhaps your circle or other conservatives and/or libertarians you know tend to be more educated, reasoned, and/or affluent than the majority core of Trump's base, and thus you are projecting your perception that the "real" majority of Trump voters don't actually like him that much and are voting for him instead for X, Y, or Z reason?

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The left sees this and their response is to offer mockery and scorn for poor rural GOP voters who "vote against their own best interest." The more polite among them might just express some condescending pity for these sad, dumb, manipulated pawns. It never seems to occur to them that many of those voters have deeply held moral beliefs that they care about more than their paycheck. Abortion, religion, gun rights being the big 3.

I would also point out that the left is painfully aware of the things that you state never seem to occur to them. Obama's most famous foot in mouth moment is when he was caught hot mic'ed with that quote about flyover people clinging to guns and religion etc

 

[pgg]

I honestly think you need to reevaluate which cohort is the "small minority" because I believe you are seriously misjudging the 46% that voted for him and the 40% that approve of him. Is it possible that perhaps your circle or other conservatives and/or libertarians you know tend to be more educated, reasoned, and/or affluent than the majority core of Trump's base, and thus you are projecting your perception that the "real" majority of Trump voters don't actually like him that much and are voting for him instead for X, Y, or Z reason?

That's entirely possible.

 

[PainDrain]

Economy is always critical, which is why I always urge people to study and learn economics and finance when given the opportunity.

The economy is critical. It’s also critical that people who support Trump understand that massive deficit spending, tax cuts for the super wealthy and decreased government revenue will only lead to economic failure. We aren’t in some Keynesian cycle where we have to spend our way out of an economic downturn, as was the case in 2008. We are also at a level of income inequality that has not been seen in our country’s history. Trump voters also must understand that income inequality has historically led to only one thing....bloody revolution.

 

[Mikkel]

Trump voters also must understand that income inequality has historically led to only one thing....bloody revolution.

Trump is perceived as a "common man", despite him being a billionaire.

The reason why: Trump acts like a common man. Trump sounds like a common man. And Trump is attacked by the Elite for being a common man.

There is no way that the "common man" is going to unite with the likes of Pelosi. Not a chance.

 

[PainDrain]

Trump is perceived as a "common man", despite him being a billionaire.

The reason why: Trump acts like a common man. Trump sounds like a common man. And Trump is attacked by the Elite for being a common man.

There is no way that the "common man" is going to unite with the likes of Pelosi. Not a chance.

And the “common man” who votes for a billionaire who then proceeds to govern against the interests of the “common man” is a *****. Keep convincing yourself otherwise but very little Trump has done is to benefit the “common man”.

Hell, look at the news of the investigation into “economic opportunity zones.” It’s amazing that many of these zones were tax windfall schemes for Kushner and Trump. Don’t believe me? Look into their investments on the Jersey shore and in NYC. Or their gift to Michael Milkin. It’s been exposed by propublica.

 

[MoMoGesiologist]

The economy is critical. It’s also critical that people who support Trump understand that massive deficit spending, tax cuts for the super wealthy and decreased government revenue will only lead to economic failure. We aren’t in some Keynesian cycle where we have to spend our way out of an economic downturn, as was the case in 2008. We are also at a level of income inequality that has not been seen in our country’s history. Trump voters also must understand that income inequality has historically led to only one thing....bloody revolution.

We are at the best stock market of all time and the longest economic expansion in our history, so not sure we are headed for economic failure with Trumps policies. Massive deficits also give Republicans the opportunity to cut funding to the programs they see as government waste. Once a Democrat gets elected, Republicans can go back to being fiscal hawks and try to cut Medicare, food stamps, other entitlement spending, etc

 

[KungPOWChicken]

And the “common man” who votes for a billionaire who then proceeds to govern against the interests of the “common man” is a *****. Keep convincing yourself otherwise but very little Trump has done is to benefit the “common man”.

Hell, look at the news of the investigation into “economic opportunity zones.” It’s amazing that many of these zones were tax windfall schemes for Kushner and Trump. Don’t believe me? Look into their investments on the Jersey shore and in NYC. Or their gift to Michael Milkin. It’s been exposed by propublica.

i don’t know but does having a job benefit the common man? Last time I checked unemployment was at an all time low. How many people have seen major manufacturer jobs head to Mexico, China, Korea. Ever since Clinton this has been happening. Most people worked in government, Walmart or healthcare. I’ve seen several major manufacturing plants come into my area recently. This is a huge benefit for the common man and myself.

 

[Mikkel]

And the “common man” who votes for a billionaire who then proceeds to govern against the interests of the “common man” is a *****. Keep convincing yourself otherwise but very little Trump has done is to benefit the “common man”.

Lowest unemployment rates on record.

Highest workers' pension returns on record.

Protecting and prioritizing American workers over illegal foreign workers or outsourced manufacturing.

 

[Wkrdoc]

Liberal scum are attempting to ruin the country.

 

[PainDrain]

We are at the best stock market of all time and the longest economic expansion in our history, so not sure we are headed for economic failure with Trumps policies. Massive deficits also give Republicans the opportunity to cut funding to the programs they see as government waste. Once a Democrat gets elected, Republicans can go back to being fiscal hawks and try to cut Medicare, food stamps, other entitlement spending, etc

i don’t know but does having a job benefit the common man? Last time I checked unemployment was at an all time low. How many people have seen major manufacturer jobs head to Mexico, China, Korea. Ever since Clinton this has been happening. Most people worked in government, Walmart or healthcare. I’ve seen several major manufacturing plants come into my area recently. This is a huge benefit for the common man and myself.

Here are some inconvenient facts regarding Trumps economic policy decisions. In the trade wars US farmers got crushed and likely will take years to recover. Farm foreclosures and bankruptcy rates are highest levels since the Great Recession. China has gone elsewhere for its soy and corn and this places a burden on US farmers to get back into that market. The recent phase 1 deal signed with China has no teeth and China has made similar promises in the past without following through. US consumers are paying for Trump’s tariffs as the cost is being passed on to the “common man”. The US manufacturing index hit its lowest point in a decade last week, a result of the trade war and signaling a significant downturn may be coming. But hey, you keep telling yourself there is so much “winning“ you are getting tired of the endless “winning.”

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Amid Trump Tariffs, Farm Bankruptcies And Suicides Rise

Farmers have seen their incomes slashed due to factors outside of their control. However, tariffs imposed by Trump and China’s retaliation are making their situation even direr. This has led to a rise in farm bankruptcies and multiple people warning about the increased stress leading to suicides.

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