Importance of the PS: Can it overcome weakness?

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Hey guys,

I have been reading around and I do not completely understand the value of the Personal statement. I guess it varies from school to school, but can someone answer a few questions for me?

  1. Can a excellent PS get you in to an interview even with average (for that school) GPA and MCAT?
  2. Does the PS hold significant value?
  3. Is it a wildcard in admission?

Thanks people!
 
Most personal statements fall into the mediocre category. Probably 80 percent of them - they don't help, and if it isn't helping, it is fair to say it is hurting your app.

The other 20 percent is split between awful and fantastic.

A fantastic PS gets noticed, gets results.

Problem is: do you know a fantastic PS when you see it, and more importantly, do you have the ability to write one? Since you are questioning the role of the PS, my guess is you have never seen a great one and have no idea how much it could help you...
 
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Its purpose is to animate you (the applicant) in the minds of the people reading over your application. I think it can definitely make or break an application in that it is the only window thorugh which the adcoms can glimpse you as you see yourself and your life's narrative. Everything else they know about you is through professors' opinions and numbers. The personal statement fleshes you out as a person, and hopefully enables the adcoms to envision you as a student at their school.

Don't underestimate the importance of the personal statement. Write thoughtfully, get second opinions, and revise endlessly. Good luck.
 
I'd disagree with the above comment that most PS have a neutral impact, because in my experience as a member of my school's adcom, if your PS isn't boosting your application then it's hurting your application....there's no such thing as a "neutral" PS. A mediocre or even just unmemorable PS will hurt your chances, plain and simple.

In the final rounds of decision making, applicants have all been culled to people with perfectly acceptable "stats"...the discussion is then what kind of person the applicant is and what they will contribute to the med school and medical profession. Where do they get this info? The PS and interview.

Personal statements are much more important than applicants give it credit...unless you scored a 43 on the MCAT or were published first author in NEJM, it's likely going to be the "hook" that makes you memorable to an application reader....which means it will be an important factor in determining whether you get an interview (and no interview = automatic rejection).

Then, once you have an interview, the PS is often the jumping-off point for your interview and thus can help set the tone of the entire encounter, which in turn has a strong impact on your chances of getting accepted.

Clearly the PS and interview isn't THE determining factor of getting in, but it's a very important one, particularly in giving the adcom a reason to pick YOU instead of the 200 other applicants with the same exact MCAT and GPA stats.
 
I'd disagree with the above comment that most PS have a neutral impact, because in my experience as a member of my school's adcom, if your PS isn't boosting your application then it's hurting your application....there's no such thing as a "neutral" PS. A mediocre or even just unmemorable PS will hurt your chances, plain and simple.

In the final rounds of decision making, applicants have all been culled to people with perfectly acceptable "stats"...the discussion is then what kind of person the applicant is and what they will contribute to the med school and medical profession. Where do they get this info? The PS and interview.

Personal statements are much more important than applicants give it credit...unless you scored a 43 on the MCAT or were published first author in NEJM, it's likely going to be the "hook" that makes you memorable to an application reader....which means it will be an important factor in determining whether you get an interview (and no interview = automatic rejection).

Then, once you have an interview, the PS is often the jumping-off point for your interview and thus can help set the tone of the entire encounter, which in turn has a strong impact on your chances of getting accepted.

Clearly the PS and interview isn't THE determining factor of getting in, but it's a very important one, particularly in giving the adcom a reason to pick YOU instead of the 200 other applicants with the same exact MCAT and GPA stats.

I didn't mean to say they have a neutral effect. I said the bulk of them are mediocre and do little to distinguish your app. Said differently, I suppose, if it isn't helping, it is hurting, so maybe I should edit it to be more clear.

I have read tons of these things. And most of them really are mediocre. About one in ten jumps off the page...
 
PS definitely make up for stats if you write a great great one. Like what has been said before it is hard to write something that will distinguish you in that manner. I was lucky enough to write a very powerful PS. My interviewers have consistently stated that it was one of the best PS they have read in years. So I know I was able to get the desired effect. If you work hard enough you can do it. I don't consider myself the best writer but after countless edits and critiquing I got to the final piece. Goodluck!
 
PS can make up for somethings but not everything. It's definitely not as important as GPA/MCAT. But I suppose a killer PS could definitely be a big help.
 
Now the question becomes, what makes a amazing PS? I guess the main thing is that it is different, but does anyone have any advice or anything?
 
"Mbuto."

My African driver springs to his feet.

"Yes, Sahib."

"Pass me another baby, I think this one has died." I lay the dead infant in the pile by my feet. What I'd really like him to do is pass me an ice-cold bottle of the local beer. Compassion is hot, thirsty work. There is no ice in this wretched refugee camp, mores the pity, but as I'm here to help I will suffer in silence. I stare into the eyes of the African baby who is suffering from HIV or dengue fever or something gross and look out into the hot, dusty savannah and ask, "Why? Why gender-neutral and non-judgmental Diety (or Deities) does this have to happen?"

"And Why, Mbuto, is the air-conditioning on my Land Rover broken again?"

"One thousand pardons, Sahib, but the parts have not arrived."

I will suffer. I have lived a life of privilege and my suffering serves to link me to the suffering of mankind. I roll the window down. God it's hot. How can people live here? Why don't they move where it's cool? Still, I see by the vacant stare from the walking skeletons who insist on blocking the road that they appreciate my compassion and I know that in a small way, I am making a difference in their lives.

Africa. Oh wretched continent! How long must you suffer? How long will you provide the venue to compensate for a low MCAT score? How many must die before I am accepted to a top-tier medical school?

When did I first discover that I, myself, desired to be a doctor? Some come to the decision late in life, often not until the age of five. The non-traditional applicants might not know until they are seven or even, as hard as it is to believe, until the end of ninth grade. I came, myself, to the realization that I, myself, wanted to be a doctor on the way through the birth canal when I realized that my large head was causing a partial third degree vaginal laceration. I quickly threw a couple of sutures into the fascia between contractions so strong was my desire to help people.

My dedication to service was just beginning. At five I was counseling the first-graders on their reproductive options. By twelve I was volunteering at a suicide crisis center/free needle exchange hot-line for troubled transgendered teens. I'll never forget Jose, a young Hispanic male with HIV who had just been kicked out of his casa by his conservative Catholic parents. He had turned to black tar heroin as his only solace and he was literally at the end of his rope when he called.

"How about a condom, Hose," I asked. The J, as you know, is pronounced like an H in Spanish.

Annoying silence on the line. Hesus, I was there to help him.

"Condoms will solve all of your problems," I continued, "In fact, in a paper of which I was listed as the fourth author, we found that condoms prevent all kinds of diseases including HIV which I have a suspicion is the root of your depression."

More silence. No one had ever had such a rapport with him. He was speechless and grateful and I took his sobs as evidence of my compassion.

"Hey, it was double-blinded and placebo controlled, vato." Cultural competence is important and I value my diverse upbringing which has exposed me to peoples of many different ethnicities. I always say "What up, Homes," to the nice young negroes who assemble my Big Mac and I think they accept me as a soul brother. "

"We also have needles, amigo. Clean needles would prevent HIV too."

My desire to be a physician has mirrored my desire to actualize my potential to serve humanity in many capacities. This may be something unheard of from medical school applicant but I have a strong desire to help people. I manifest this desire by my dedication to obtaining all kinds of exposure to all different kinds of people but mostly those from underserved and underprivileged populations. In fact, during a stint in a Doctors Without Borders spin-off chapter I learned the true meaning of underserved while staffing a mall health care pavilion in La Jolla, California.

Most of my friends are black or latino and I am a "Junior Cousin" of the Nation of Islam where I teach infidel abasement techniques to the Mohammed (PBUHN) Scouts. I also am active in the fight for women's reproductive rights except of course for women in Afghanistan who were better off before our current racist war.

As Maya Angelou once said, "All men (and womyn) are prepared to accomplish the incredible if their ideals are threatened." I feel this embodies my philosophy best because the prospect of grad school is too horrible to contemplate.
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Haha, I have already read that lol - it made my day.
 
OP--whether it's a huge help or not, wouldnt you be doing your best to make it as awesome as possible either way?
 
i think my favorite part about that is the quote from maya a. that uses the ultra pc spelling of women.
 
I suspect if you manage to write a really good PS it could make up for having less hours in the extra curricular department.

But I doubt PS can do much to effect MCAT/GPA
 
What is that from, anyways? Did a student actually use it, or what?
 
One of the em attendings (then resident I think) wrote it, satirically.
 
I believe it was Panda Bear who wrote it a couple years ago. It never gets old :laugh:
 
MCAT, MCAT, MCAT


Same thing later in life...

STEP1, STEP1, STEP1...


It will never end, I'm afraid...
 
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