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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by BlackPuma, Mar 10, 2002.

  1. The JDL and the September 11 connection

    this article has appeared in the Village Voice as well americanfreepress.net

    <a href="http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_16_01/9-11_Hijackers/9-11_hijackers.html" target="_blank">AmericanFreePress</a>

    <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j112801.html" target="_blank">Antiwar 60 Israeli agents Detained after September 11th</a>

    <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020305/ts_nm/israel_usa_spies_dc_2" target="_blank">Reuters Article and the Israeli Implication</a>

    <a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/frameup.html" target="_blank">The Insider Connection</a>

    <a href="http://www.ussliberty.org/" target="_blank">Israel Army attacks American Ship in International Waters!!</a>

    Were those hijackers really Arabs? Would Israeli agents carry out a suicide mission that could cost American Jewish lives? Consider these little-known facts . . .

    Exclusive To American Free Press

    By Michael Collins Piper

    In 1986 the New York-based leader of the terrorist Jewish Defense League, Victor Vancier, gave a prophetic hint of what may have been finally played out on Sept. 11, 2001:

    If you think the Shiites in Lebanon are capable of fantastic acts of suicidal terrorism, the Jewish un derground will strike targets that will make Ameri cans gasp: "How could Jews do such things?"

    According to Vancier, quoted by Robert I. Friedman in The Village Voice on May 6, 1986, his allies were "desperate people" who "don't care if they live or die."

    Considering this warning it is entirely conceivable the "Middle Eastern" men described by passengers on the airliners were not Arabs at all.

    Evidence to be explored suggests that instead, these hijackers could well have been Israeli-sponsored fundamentalist Jewish fanatics (posing as "bin Laden Arabs") hoping to instigate an all-out U.S. war against the Arab world.

    "Jewish suicide bombers? Impossible!" cry critics. However, the fact is that there is a "suicide tradition" that is a much-revered part of Jewish history&#8212;going back to the famous mass suicide at Masada by Jewish zealots.

    But in modern times, Israeli suicide missions have been undertaken. In The Other Side of Deception former Mossad officer Victor Ostrovsky described one 1989 venture: the participants were "all volunteers" advised that there was effectively "no possibility of rescue should they be caught."

    And what about the Arabic language heard on one airplane's black box?

    Consider a formerly secret CIA assessment, Israel: Foreign Intelligence and Security Services, dated March 1979, which reported that it is a long-standing policy for Israeli intelligence to disguise Jews as Arabs:

    One of the established goals of the intelligence and security services is that each officer be fluent in Arabic. A nine-month, intensive Arabic language course is given annually . . . to students . . .

    As further training, these Mossad officers work in the [Israeli-controlled Arab lands] for two years to sharpen their language skills. . . .

    Many Israelis have come from Arab countries where they were born and educated and appear more Arab than Israeli . . .

    By forging passports and identity documents of Arab and western countries and providing sound background legends and cover, Mossad has successfully sent into Egypt and other Arab countries Israelis disguised and documented as Arabs or citizens of European countries. . . . These persons are also useful for their ability to pass completely for a citizen of the nation in question. The Israeli talent for counterfeiting or forging foreign passports and documents ably supports the agent's authenticity.

    Pulitzer Prize-winner Jack Anderson, a supporter of Israel, wrote on Sept. 17, 1972 that:

    Israeli agents&#8212;immigrants whose families had lived in Arab lands for generations&#8212;have a perfect knowledge of Arab dialects and customs. They have been able to infiltrate Arab governments with ease.

    On Sept, 29, 1998, Yossi Melman, writing in Israel's Ha'aretz, revealed that:

    Shin Bet agents, who worked undercover in the Israeli-Arab sector in the 1950s, went as far as to marry Muslim women and have children with them, in an attempt to continue their mission without raising suspicion.

    In fact, serious questions have been raised about the identities of the Sept. 11 "Arab hijackers."

    While the media reported the ringleader's passport conveniently landed atop rubble eight blocks from "Ground Zero," The Orlando Sentinel also reported that at least four men identified as hijackers are not dead and had nothing to do with the attacks.

    In The New Yorker on Oct. 8, Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh pointed out:

    Many of the investigators believe that some of the initial clues about the terrorists' identities and preparations, such as flight manuals, were meant to be found. A former high-level intelligence official told me, "Whatever trail was left was left deliberately&#8212;for the FBI to chase."

    Why Arabs would plant evidence implicating their own is a point mainstream media chooses not to address.

    Nor has the media ever ballyhooed the "hero" who tipped off the FBI where the hijackers' car (conveniently filled with "evidence") was parked.
    And for those who would doubt that Israel would endanger American Jews via terrorism, consider this: hard-line Israelis are willing to kill Jews if it means assuring Israel's survival.

    The late Rabbi Meir Kahane&#8212;founder of the Jewish Defense League and one spiritual mentor of fundamentalists who support Ariel Sharon&#8212;exemplifies those willing to sacrifice other Jews to guarantee Israel's future.

    Kahane called for killing "Hellenist [i.e. Western-oriented] spiritually sick [Jews] who threaten the existence of Judaism." That would include those working in slick offices in the World Trade Center, living on Long Island, rather than kibbutzing in Israel.

    Israeli journalist Yair Kotler reports in Heil Kahane that Kahane wrote: "the adoption of foreign, gentilized [i.e. non-Jewish] concepts by a Jewish state . . . opens the door to a national tragedy."

    In his book, Time to Go Home, Kahane called for all Jews to "go home" to Israel&#8212;the only safe place for Jews. Those who refused to "go home" were expendable. The CIA's 1979 report on Israeli intelligence says this widely-held view mirrors "the aggressively ideological nature of Zionism."

    In fact, this Jewish attitude toward the West (exactly what the media says is the Islamic attitude) has support at the Mossad's top levels.

    Robert Friedman revealed that "high-ranking members of Mossad" were directing Kahane and that the "cen tral player" was former Mossad operations chief (and later prime minister) Yitzhak Shamir, an outspoken critic of America.

    When Kahane said America would become "the major enemy of Israel," due to "economic disintegration, which no administration can stem," he enunciated a pop ular Israeli view.

    In his Kahane biography, The False Prophet, Robert I. Friedman noted that Kahane's beliefs "have taken root and have become &#8216;respectable.' " and that Ariel Sha ron is one of the "most potent supporters" of such ex tremism.

    In the Oct. 15 issue of The New Republic, Israeli writer Yossi Klein Halevi echoed this view:

    The destruction of the World Trade Center has partially rehabilitated, if only by default, the Zionist promise of safe refuge for the Jewish people.

    In the last year, it had become a much-noted irony that Israel was the country where a Jew was most likely to be killed for being a Jew. For many, the United States had beckoned as the real Jewish refuge; in a poll taken just before the bin Laden attacks, 37 percent of Israelis said their friends or relatives were discussing emigration. That probably changed on Sept. 11.

    I was among the thousands of Israelis who crowded Kennedy Airport on the weekend after the attack, desperate to find a flight to Tel Aviv. "At least we're going back where it's safe," people joked.

    Everyone seemed to have a story about an Israeli living in New York who just barely escaped the devastation. If this could happen in Manhattan, the reasoning went, you might as well take your chances at home.

    What Halevi describes reflects the widespread ideology known as "catastrophic Zionism" which rejects America, saying Israel is the only safe Jewish refuge.

    In The Ascendance of Israel's Radical Right Israeli scholar Ehud Sprinzak found that these views are "a major school" of modern Israeli thought.

    Sprinzak described the Israeli movement, Sikarikin, which honors ancient Jews who "conducted a systematic terror campaign against Jewish moderates who were ready to come to terms with the Romans on questions of religious purity." Israelis consider these terrorists "the symbolic de fenders of religious and nationalist purity."

    Another popular rabbi, Israel Ariel, will risk massive loss of Jewish lives to achieve the "elimination" of the Arab countries to guarantee Israel's survival. The hawkish rabbi proclaims:

    There is a ruling that a war is permitted as long as no more than one-sixth of the nation be killed. And this was stated in relation to an ordinary war, a fight between neighbors.

    A war for Eretz Israel does not depend on the number of casualties. The command is "Ase!" ("Do it!"), and you may be sure that the number of casualties will thus be minimal.

    As far as non-Jews, Sprinzak cites Rabbi David Bar-Haim who declares the concept Jews and non-Jews are equals "stands in total contrast to the Torah of Moses, and is derived from a total ignorance and an assimilation of alien Western values."

    Ben-Haim cites 10 religious authorities who "repeatedly proposed that Gentiles are more beast than human," whereas, "only two authorities recognize non-Jews as full human beings created in the image of God."

    Bear in mind: these comments from supposed "allies" represent widespread opinion in Israel's military and intelligence services.

    Did Ariel Sharon help orchestrate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to instigate all-out U.S. war against Israel's enemies? Don't discount it.
     
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  3. none

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    This doesn't at all remind you of those who deny the Holocaust? This is standard anti-semitic paranoia propaganda. Imagine the number of people who would have to be involved for it to be true. Think of the number of clear Arab connections to the terrorists the FBI has arrested! It just isn't likely.
     
  4. Jalby

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    Wow. All I have to say is this is BS. I'm glad most people are able to think on there own and not believe everything they are told/read.
     
  5. Street Philosopher

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  6. actually the USS liberty is all true, maybe it is u who is in denial...even today, the Veterans of the USS Liberty cannot seek damages against Israel....say you want, but Israel has admitted to firing on the US ship, but does now acknowledge any wrong doing :D
     
  7. Bevo

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    "
    ?Jewish suicide bombers? Impossible!? cry critics. However, the fact is that there is a ?suicide tradition? that is a much-revered part of Jewish history?going back to the famous mass suicide at Masada by Jewish zealots.
    "

    LOL what an idiot. Shows how much he really knows about the events that transpired at Masada.

    This article is about the same level as the rantings of David Duke and his reasons why jews think they are superior to everyone and using the Talmud(?) as his support.

    I like all sides of an argument, provided they are intelligent. But conspiracy theories that insite(sp?) this kind of blame on a race of people is just making things worse in this world of ours.
     
  8. Amy B

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    I bet this is moved to the lounge
     
  9. imtiaz

    imtiaz i cant translate stupid
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    watcha, watcha, watcha. always stirring things up. :)
     
  10. Jalby

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Amy Beth:
    <strong>I bet this is moved to the lounge</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm pulling for strait deletion. This isn't TPR, but it's starting to look like it.
     
  11. Cerberus

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    The Israelies did attack the USS Liberty but both the US and Israel have claimed it was a mistake and I believe them. The rest of the article sounds like antisemitic rhetoric to me.
     
  12. vixen

    vixen I like members
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    hey watcha i like your threads, but will you post in the right place for once!!! err :mad: j/k :p
     
  13. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by lmbebo:
    <strong>"
    "Jewish suicide bombers? Impossible!" cry critics. However, the fact is that there is a "suicide tradition" that is a much-revered part of Jewish history&#8212;going back to the famous mass suicide at Masada by Jewish zealots.
    "

    LOL what an idiot. Shows how much he really knows about the events that transpired at Masada.

    This article is about the same level as the rantings of David Duke and his reasons why jews think they are superior to everyone and using the Talmud(?) as his support.

    I like all sides of an argument, provided they are intelligent. But conspiracy theories that insite(sp?) this kind of blame on a race of people is just making things worse in this world of ours.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I believe the correct spelling is as follows

    Thalmud versus Talmud
    Incite versus incite....

    there should definitely be a spell check option on this thread....
     
  14. brandonite

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    That article seems like a load of crap! I mean, I never believe in conspiracy theories, and this seems like the ultimate conspiracy theory! How else do you explain bin Laden's everything-but-a-confession on a couple of those video tapes?? And the attack perfectly fits the MO of bin Laden - I mean, he attacked the USS Cole in Yemen, the suicide bomb in Saudi Arabia, etc. Are all those some part of a Jewish conspiracy?

    This is a bit ridiculous.

    And why is this in the pre-allo forum??
     
  15. Bevo

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    got me

    Might be nice if he shared that new TIME article about the Health Care industry and the smaller article towards the back about the lack of sleep of some residents in the latest issue.

    I mean its a good idea to stay updated on current events in the world. But maybe there should be a specific forum where people could post links to articles that might be worth reading that usually dont make the spotlight of the bigger news sites like CNN.
     
  16. paige

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    talmud is perfectly acceptable as a spelling - i have never seen it spelled thalmud (and it is not prenounced that way either)

    but regardless - what is your point? are you trying to convince sdn members of something? why are you posting this information (whether you regard it as legitimate or not) on a pre-med forum? i'm sure there are plenty internet spots for you to debate anti-Israel ideas - i don't think this isn't one of them.
     
  17. Jamier2

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    The Pre-Allopathic forum is not the place for these threads, WatchaMaCallit. The Pre-Allopathic forum, as the name implies, is for discussions and questions that pertain to applying to allopathic medical schools.

    Threads like this belong in the Lounge, a cozy area we created just for threads that don't relate to medical/dental/optometry/physician's assistant school. :)

    With that, I'm moving this to the Lounge.
     

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