in-state resident advantage: MD vs VA?

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I am in the process of moving to the DC/MD/VA area and am trying to decide where to live, keeping in mind in-state residency preferences for med admissions.

As far as I can tell, VA has more public medical schools than does MD, so would that mean that's the better place to live if I'm looking to boost my chances of in-state advantage?
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AL24 said:
I am in the process of moving to the DC/MD/VA area and am trying to decide where to live, keeping in mind in-state residency preferences for med admissions.

As far as I can tell, VA has more public medical schools than does MD, so would that mean that's the better place to live if I'm looking to boost my chances of in-state advantage?
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Are they comparably easy/difficult to establish residency in? I don't know about Maryland, but Virginia is notorious for its hoop jumps.
 
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I'd say VA. UVA consistently ranks the top public school in the nation (top 25ish for medicine), and they do give a slight preference to IS applicants. EVMS and VCU are also great schools, which are also public schools. I'd say VA, because you know you ain't gettin any love from Hopkins being IS.
 
i dont know if there are different rules for non-students, but i was unable to get residency in virginia despite four years going to school there while maintaining a job. that said, i'd choose virginia over maryland hands down. also, DC has partial residency rules with virginia and maybe maryland. DC students at UVa undergrad get a discount, rather than in-state tuition. something to look into.
 
bennnythejet said:
i dont know if there are different rules for non-students, but i was unable to get residency in virginia despite four years going to school there while maintaining a job. that said, i'd choose virginia over maryland hands down. also, DC has partial residency rules with virginia and maybe maryland. DC students at UVa undergrad get a discount, rather than in-state tuition. something to look into.
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Non-students only have to be here a few months. Students, on the other hand, also have to have demonstrable intent and be here for 12 consecutive months prior to the first day of class. These guidelines can be found in greater detail at SCHEV's website, which is, at the moment, down.

It was fine about five minutes ago, though.😳
 
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Definitely Virginia.

In-staters in Virginia have a great shot at VCU and EVMS (one of my best friends was accepted to VCU this cycle with a 26 MCAT and had an interview at EVMS but withdrew).

Also, at my interview at Maryland, the admissions officer I interviewed with told me that they accept a decent amount of Virginia applicants...
 
Va hands down. UVA, VCU, and EVMS all give in-state preference and tuition discount Vs. just UMD in Maryland. Also in the next year or two Virginia is hoping to open another medical school in Roanoke the Carilion clinic with Virginia tech. Plus we have lower taxes, lower crime, and Baltimore is in MD.
 
Virginia: 7.6 mil, 3 medical schools

Maryland: 5.6 mil, 1 medical school

I guess the other factor is how much those schools favor in-state, I know MD is 75% IS, not sure about VCU, EVMS or UVA.
 
VA has UVA, VCU, EVMS, and VCOM all to pick from. Do keep in mind that all of them accept a substantial proportion of OOS students, though (~40-60%).

Establishing VA residency for tuition purposes generally requires moving to the state for reasons other than school for at least 12 months prior to matriculation. Proof of residency is shown via tax returns, voter registration, car registration, and driver's lisence. You cannot establish residency if you move to VA to go to school.

Just being a VA resident doesn't guarantee you'll get in, though. I thought that I would get into one of them (MCAT above VCU/EVMS/VCOM averages, to start with) and no dice. Virginia is, and always has been, an academically competitive state.
 
I was in the same boat not too long ago. I know that MD is strict about getting in state status. If you really love UM then go Maryland. If you want more chances, go VA. As someone else stated though, the VA schools take a decent amount of OS.

I personally lived in MD for 6 or so years as a grad student the whole time and they wouldn't give me in state. I hadn't lived in PA for that many years so I couldn't claim that really. I guess I didn't really reside anywhere according to MD. lol.

Regardless, I got into a VA school, but I'd still say if given a choice, go for the VA residency.
 
Definitely VA. I interviewed at both VCU and EVMS as OOS, but so far no love from them... being a VA resident would definitely help right about now.

Not that anyone asked or cares, but I would like to state for the record that Massachusetts, while not quite as sucky as California, is not a good place to be a resident of for the purpose of med school apps. We have one public school that is pretty tough to get into, and 3 private (one of which is Harvard).
 
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Dral said:
I personally lived in MD for 6 or so years as a grad student the whole time and they wouldn't give me in state.
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These states are NOT going to give residency to people who are only in that state for school. You could live there for 30 years, but if you are a student for the entire time you will not be given residency.

You basically have to live and work in these states for at least a year while not in school in order to establish residency.
 
I've lived in Maryland my entire life, and the choice is clear... Virginia.
 
A rare occasion of SDN Harmony. On MD vs VA and whether or not to talk about your drug addiciton in your application, there appears to be no dissention.
 
Fwiw, if you are considering a move just for purposes of claiming residency to increase chances of being accepted - keep in mind that the admissions committees at the schools to which you apply will realize the fact that you did not grow up in their state, your parents do not live or pay taxes in their state, that you did not attend high school or college in their state, did not work in their state for any substantial amount of time, and have only moved in hopes that residency in their state would boost your chances of an acceptance in their state. These folks aren't stupid and will see right through you, and I sincerely doubt that you will gain much competitive advantage when pitted against a pool of long-standing residents. Most of these state schools (my own included) are interested in graduating physicians who will go on to service that particular state - hence the in-state tuition and preference for in-state residents. If you have moved to that state and established residency only to turn around and apply to medical school, I think it's pretty safe to say that it probably won't do much for your application at that particular school.

Just fyi.
 
LadyWolverine said:
Fwiw, if you are considering a move just for purposes of claiming residency to increase chances of being accepted - keep in mind that the admissions committees at the schools to which you apply will realize the fact that you did not grow up in their state, your parents do not live or pay taxes in their state, that you did not attend high school or college in their state, did not work in their state for any substantial amount of time, and have only moved in hopes that residency in their state would boost your chances of an acceptance in their state. These folks aren't stupid and will see right through you, and I sincerely doubt that you will gain much competitive advantage when pitted against a pool of long-standing residents. Most of these state schools (my own included) are interested in graduating physicians who will go on to service that particular state - hence the in-state tuition and preference for in-state residents. If you have moved to that state and established residency only to turn around and apply to medical school, I think it's pretty safe to say that it probably won't do much for your application at that particular school.

Just fyi.
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Actually, as far as I understand it, the preference of state schools for residents of that particular state is for reasons for tax support. They must admit a certain % or absolute number of individuals from their state to receive a certain amount of monetary support from the state government. In other words, they don't give two ****s whether or not you've lived there for one day or 100 years, so long as you're a resident. And, at the end of the day, if the one-day resident has better stats then they will gain admission over the more 'well established' resident.

Correct me if I'm wrong here; I'm just going off of hear say.
 
moneduloides said:
Actually, as far as I understand it, the preference of state schools for residents of that particular state is for reasons for tax support. They must admit a certain % or absolute number of individuals from their state to receive a certain amount of monetary support from the state government. In other words, they don't give two ****s whether or not you've lived there for one day or 100 years, so long as you're a resident. And, at the end of the day, if the one-day resident has better stats then they will gain admission over the more 'well established' resident.

Correct me if I'm wrong here; I'm just going off of hear say.
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You understood wrong. The committee members who are reviewing your application absolutely pay attention to details like this. As a matter of fact, they even look so close in many cases as to see if you actually come from the (relatively underprivileged) county that you allege in your application (by using your parents' beach house address on the Eastern Shore) by comparing it to where you went to high school. If you graduated from Churchill HS in Montgomery Country, that address is going to look a little fishy.

UMB med's goal of training physicians to serve MARYLAND is outlined in our mission statement. I told you, these people are not stupid.
 
LadyWolverine said:
Fwiw, if you are considering a move just for purposes of claiming residency to increase chances of being accepted - keep in mind that the admissions committees at the schools to which you apply will realize the fact that you did not grow up in their state, your parents do not live or pay taxes in their state, that you did not attend high school or college in their state, did not work in their state for any substantial amount of time, and have only moved in hopes that residency in their state would boost your chances of an acceptance in their state. These folks aren't stupid and will see right through you, and I sincerely doubt that you will gain much competitive advantage when pitted against a pool of long-standing residents. Most of these state schools (my own included) are interested in graduating physicians who will go on to service that particular state - hence the in-state tuition and preference for in-state residents. If you have moved to that state and established residency only to turn around and apply to medical school, I think it's pretty safe to say that it probably won't do much for your application at that particular school.

Just fyi.
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And yet LadyTerrapin is learning anatomy in Barbados ...
 
LadyWolverine said:
You understood wrong. The committee members who are reviewing your application absolutely pay attention to details like this. As a matter of fact, they even look so close in many cases as to see if you actually come from the (relatively underprivileged) county that you allege in your application (by using your parents' beach house address on the Eastern Shore) by comparing it to where you went to high school. If you graduated from Churchill HS in Montgomery Country, that address is going to look a little fishy.

UMB med's goal of training physicians to serve MARYLAND is outlined in our mission statement. I told you, these people are not stupid.
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Interesting. Well, I suppose I can count this as the "learn something new everyday" for today.
 
chad5871 said:
These states are NOT going to give residency to people who are only in that state for school. You could live there for 30 years, but if you are a student for the entire time you will not be given residency.

You basically have to live and work in these states for at least a year while not in school in order to establish residency.
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The sad thing is that I was being paid an RA salary and paid local and state MD income tax.

W/e...chapter of my life over anyway.
 
Bibbed said:
I've lived in Maryland my entire life, and the choice is clear... Virginia.
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This is a great post. The only thing that sucks is VA's public schools only admit about 50% - 60% in-state and that is on the low end for public schools.
 
Poor maryland, getting a bad rap from you guys. At least we dont have NoVa in our state...(just getting back at you for the baltimore comments!)

So first off, let the record show the Hopkins does show a very minor amount of in state preference. This did not help my chances, but, if you do the math, you will see that your chances are statistically higher if you live in maryland.

Also, to the poster who talked about DC residents getting half price at UVA undergrad, DC has a deal with all state schools that give them in state status for the purpose of undergraduate. This is because they have no major public schools of their own. (Im not sure what's currently going on with UDC.) A friend of mine went to Umich for 5k a year. (http://www.seo.dc.gov/seo/cwp/view,a,1226,q,536770,seoNav_GID,1511,seoNav,|31238|,.asp)

And, Im not sure if this will help with the gaining residency argument, based on length of time living in md or va, but after being gone for 7 years, all they wanted was my voter registration, and I was an IN STATE md resident again. In fact, I paid taxes, had drivers license, had gone to high school here, parents still lived here, and they rejected me, without the voter registration.

Lesson? Register in your state! Im only half kidding. Im sure everything else helped but they really cared about voter reg. So ladywolv is right, these people scrutinize, and hey, 20k/yr difference is worth it to them.

Hopkins stats:
OOS
5371 Applied
648 Intrvd
91 Accept
12% % Int
14% % Acc

Residents
419 Applied
91 Intrvd
22 Accept
22% % Int
24% % Acc
118 Accept

UMD Stats:

OOS
Applied 3463
Intrvd 141
Accept 30
% Int 4%
% Acc 21%

MD residents
Applied 862
Intrvd 321
Accept 129
% Int 37%
% Acc 40%

Sorry, no stats for VA schools
 
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Stixman28 said:
Poor maryland, getting a bad rap from you guys. At least we dont have NoVa in our state
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NoVa happens to be one of the biggest and best community colleges in the United States.

Stixman28 said:
Hopkins stats:
OOS
5371 Applied
648 Intrvd
91 Accept
12% % Int
14% % Acc

Residents
419 Applied
91 Intrvd
22 Accept
22% % Int
24% % Acc
118 Accept

UMD Stats:

OOS
Applied 3463
Intrvd 141
Accept 30
% Int 4%
% Acc 21%

MD residents
Applied 862
Intrvd 321
Accept 129
% Int 37%
% Acc 40%
Accept 160
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Maryland has one public school that admits 73% MD residents and one private school that admits 16% residents. Virginia has 3 public schools that admit 62% EVMS, 53% UVA, and 57% VCU Va residents and we also have a public osteopathic school and are opening another public allopathic school.
 
NotAndrew said:
NoVa happens to be one of the biggest and best community colleges in the United States.
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I meant NoVa as in all of that cluster f*ck you call northern virginia. I wasn't trying to incite any fights against a school, just the general geographic location.


I won't fight the stats, if you can get residency in VA, you have higher chances, statistically. How many students are applying though when you get your stats of 62, 53 and 57%. I suppose we could weight the stats and figure it out for sure. (USUHS is in maryland too, NO IS preference, but we could add em in for perfect math).
 
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NotAndrew said:
NVCC happens to be one of the biggest and best community colleges in the United States.
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If you discount the entire state of California, sure!👍

Actually, NVCC's got interesting offerings every year, though. Hell, even FCPS has some super neat stuff up for grabs.
 
Stixman28 said:
I meant NoVa as in all of that cluster f*ck you call northern virginia. I wasn't trying to incite any fights against a school, just the general geographic location.
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He knows. He's just making fun of your use of "nova" to refer to the region.👎
 
Myuuchan said:
He knows. He's just making fun of your use of "nova" to refer to the region.👎
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gotcha... still don't get the CC references.

Cool, thanks for the clarification below.


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Stixman28 said:
gotcha... still don't get the CC references.
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Northern Virginia Community College (NVCC) is often called "Nova."

Hilariously, there is also a "University of Northern Virginia," which is one of those super-sketch (seeming) institutions operating out of the second floor of a building in Annandale...
 
Stixman28 said:
So first off, let the record show the Hopkins does show a very minor amount of in state preference. This did not help my chances, but, if you do the math, you will see that your chances are statistically higher if you live in maryland.
Hopkins stats:
OOS
5371 Applied
648 Intrvd
91 Accept
12% % Int
14% % Acc

Residents
419 Applied
91 Intrvd
22 Accept
22% % Int
24% % Acc
118 Accept
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Correlation doesn't prove causation. Marylanders are S-M-A-R-T (and their parents dispraportinatley work at Hopkins.)

But interesting on the maryland IS status procedure, thanks for the 411.
 
NotAndrew said:
NoVa happens to be one of the biggest and best community colleges in the United States.



Maryland has one public school that admits 73% MD residents and one private school that admits 16% residents. Virginia has 3 public schools that admit 62% EVMS, 53% UVA, and 57% VCU Va residents and we also have a public osteopathic school and are opening another public allopathic school.
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On the other hand, all that second-hand smoke may get you before you graduate.

Va. Still Holds Guns, Tobacco Dear; Senate Keeps Gun Show Loophole Open; Committee Deadlocks on Cigarette Tax

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/03/AR2009020301714.html
 
For what its worth ...
VA and MD are right next to each other, right in the middle too
Not sure what to make of this, though, what other list has Alabam and DC right next to each other?

Bitmap Bitmap 2008Alabama 56%District of Columbia 54%West Virginia 53%Arkansas 52%Indiana 50%Wyoming 50%Louisiana 50%Puerto Rico 50%Vermont 49%Nevada 49%Nebraska 49%South Carolina 49%Montana 49%New Jersey 49%Kentucky 48%Massachusetts 48%New Mexico 48%Connecticut 48%Missouri 48%Oklahoma 47%Illinois 47%Pennsylvania 47%Rhode Island 47%Ohio 46%Delaware 45%Kansas 45%New York 45%Mississippi 45%Maryland 44%Virginia 44%Hawaii 44%New Hampshire 43%Michigan 42%Minnesota 42%South Dakota 42%Wisconsin 42%California 42%Georgia 42%Texas 41%Utah 41%Tennessee 41%Florida 40%Iowa 40%Alaska 39%Oregon 39%Colorado 38%Arizona 38%North Carolina 38%North Dakota 37%Idaho 37%Washington 36%Maine 34%
 
jult24er said:
For what its worth ...
VA and MD are right next to each other, right in the middle too
Not sure what to make of this, though, what other list has Alabam and DC right next to each other?

Bitmap Bitmap 2008Alabama 56%District of Columbia 54%West Virginia 53%Arkansas 52%Indiana 50%Wyoming 50%Louisiana 50%Puerto Rico 50%Vermont 49%Nevada 49%Nebraska 49%South Carolina 49%Montana 49%New Jersey 49%Kentucky 48%Massachusetts 48%New Mexico 48%Connecticut 48%Missouri 48%Oklahoma 47%Illinois 47%Pennsylvania 47%Rhode Island 47%Ohio 46%Delaware 45%Kansas 45%New York 45%Mississippi 45%Maryland 44%Virginia 44%Hawaii 44%New Hampshire 43%Michigan 42%Minnesota 42%South Dakota 42%Wisconsin 42%California 42%Georgia 42%Texas 41%Utah 41%Tennessee 41%Florida 40%Iowa 40%Alaska 39%Oregon 39%Colorado 38%Arizona 38%North Carolina 38%North Dakota 37%Idaho 37%Washington 36%Maine 34%
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What are those percentages of?
 
Stixman28 said:
Also, to the poster who talked about DC residents getting half price at UVA undergrad, DC has a deal with all state schools that give them in state status for the purpose of undergraduate. This is because they have no major public schools of their own. (Im not sure what's currently going on with UDC.) A friend of mine went to Umich for 5k a year. (http://www.seo.dc.gov/seo/cwp/view,a,1226,q,536770,seoNav_GID,1511,seoNav,|31238|,.asp)
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Unfortunately, the DCTAG program is only for UNDERGRAD education, not med school. I'm not from DC, but I've read many laments on SDN from DC residents who say that since DC doesn't have a state med school, they're not IS anywhere. (Personally, I sympathize with that; you'd think that the state could work out a deal with MD and/or VA to count DC residents as in-state.)
 
Stixman28 said:
Also, to the poster who talked about DC residents getting half price at UVA undergrad, DC has a deal with all state schools that give them in state status for the purpose of undergraduate. This is because they have no major public schools of their own.
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Yeah, I said that in the original post.

But perhaps, on a better note, my DC resident friend had a very early interview at Maryland, when the rest of the interviewees were MD residents. So despite the fact that they wouldn't get IS tuition, they may get a little bit of preference at the nearby state schools.
 
Stixman28 said:
Yeah, I said that in the original post.

But perhaps, on a better note, my DC resident friend had a very early interview at Maryland, when the rest of the interviewees were MD residents. So despite the fact that they wouldn't get IS tuition, they may get a little bit of preference at the nearby state schools.
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I have heard Dean Foxwell say they favour DC residents. Deleware and other states without a school as well, he said ...
 
Stixman28 said:
Yeah, I said that in the original post.

But perhaps, on a better note, my DC resident friend had a very early interview at Maryland, when the rest of the interviewees were MD residents. So despite the fact that they wouldn't get IS tuition, they may get a little bit of preference at the nearby state schools.
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Same thing happened to me, but I'm a Virginia resident. I believe my interview was in the second week of the interview season, and all other interviewees were Maryland residents.
 
chad5871 said:
Same thing happened to me, but I'm a Virginia resident. I believe my interview was in the second week of the interview season, and all other interviewees were Maryland residents.
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Maybe my friend is you!

(probably not though, I don't think I know you...and Chad seems like a guys name)

jult24er said:
Bitmaps!
Hot girls!
Acceptance rates (matriculants / applicants)!
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also...can you explain that again? maybe im just slow...
 
Stixman28 said:
Maybe my friend is you!

(probably not though, I don't think I know you...and Chad seems like a guys name)



also...can you explain that again? maybe im just slow...
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Just the third one is true. The other two were "jokes."

After each state is the acceptance rate (to at least one medschool) of applicants who applied listing that state as their primary residence.
 
jult24er said:
Just the third one is true. The other two were "jokes."

After each state is the acceptance rate (to at least one medschool) of applicants who applied listing that state as their primary residence.
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Interesting, where's the data from?

(P.S. Im not very funny, and I can't even tell a joke if I have it memorized, so no worries)
 
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All right, so the argument is finally settled

Maryland residence is OBVIOUSLY the better option

44.21699 % of applicants from MD matriculated during 2008

vs.

43.75 % of applicants from VA matriculated in 2008

Finally, some objective data to settle once and for all this long standing argument.

Someone just try to argue with those numbers...

(Im not great at math, so if you want to argue, Id check to see if I even did the math right first, lol)
 
Stixman28 said:
All right, so the argument is finally settled

Maryland residence is OBVIOUSLY the better option

44.21699 % of applicants from MD matriculated during 2008

vs.

43.75 % of applicants from VA matriculated in 2008

Finally, some objective data to settle once and for all this long standing argument.

Someone just try to argue with those numbers...


(Im not great at math, so if you want to argue, Id check to see if I even did the math right first, lol)
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Thanks. Nice sig figs.

The confounding variable is, Marylanders are much smarter and better looking then Virginians. So while 44% of Marylanders were accepted, only 8% of Marylanders without movie-star good looks and 4.0s got in, due to our lack of state schools, whereas 44% of Virginians without said credentials at least got into EVMS.

So if you have MD good looks and stats, and can move to VA, do it.
 
jult24er said:
Thanks. Nice sig figs.

The confounding variable is, Marylanders are much smarter and better looking then Virginians. So while 44% of Marylanders were accepted, only 8% of Marylanders without movie-star good looks and 4.0s got in, due to our lack of state schools, whereas 44% of Virginians without said credentials at least got into EVMS.

So if you have MD good looks and stats, and can move to VA, do it.
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We could also look at which state's over run horrible beach town is worse...sure we have ocean city, which sucks, but the Delaware beaches are right up the road!

Virginia Beach? You can't recover from having a city like that in your state, its impossible, no matter how many medical schools you have. Perhaps it's not the beach's fault, but rather, due to those VA looks you mentioned above...

(Ive been trying to start up a fight with the Virginians...nobody has bit the bait yet)
 
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