Independent Pharmacy: Should I even bother?

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We all know those chains and insurance companies are the main face of pharmacy nowadays, but I still dream of opening my own store.

I know the first ~5 years are generally going to be tough as it is with any startup business, but the way things are with insurance companies mandating that scripts can only be filled "in-house" and at certain places, I wonder if i should even waste money/effort on trying to open up my own.

I graduate in 4 years and am in TX. There is still a good bunch of opportunity for jobs here.

How are the independents that are still left able to even compete with chains? Narcotics are a big proportion of sales?

Is there anyone here who has opened up their own pharmacy within the past 1-2 years and been able to make it work out for themselves?

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Get a job in one, and you'll get a feel pretty quickly as to whether you want to do this, or if it's even feasible. Unless you're the only store in town, you'd need to have a niche market if you want to make it work.
 
Unfortunately I am interning at a chain already so i can't just get up and leave.

Is the only way for me to get experience now by doing rotations at independents?

And as far as "niche" goes, i hear that a lot. Is that just the customers that keep coming back, or is there something else, besides compounding, that can be done to attract customers? I find it would be very hard for a startup to pull customers these days.

Would buying out a retiring pharmacist's store be a better idea?
 
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Before even interviewing at an independent, call as a customer and ask for a quote on oxycodone 30mg. If they give a price per pill and mention there's an atm in the pharmacy.....
 
We all know those chains and insurance companies are the main face of pharmacy nowadays, but I still dream of opening my own store.

I know the first ~5 years are generally going to be tough as it is with any startup business, but the way things are with insurance companies mandating that scripts can only be filled "in-house" and at certain places, I wonder if i should even waste money/effort on trying to open up my own.

I graduate in 4 years and am in TX. There is still a good bunch of opportunity for jobs here.

How are the independents that are still left able to even compete with chains? Narcotics are a big proportion of sales?

Is there anyone here who has opened up their own pharmacy within the past 1-2 years and been able to make it work out for themselves?

From what I hear the only independent pharmacies staying a float are the ones dispensing heavy amounts of Narcotics. The profit margin is so great that they can get by without hitting "pill mill" status this is done through securing LTC facilities which have a high volume of non narc patients. Having this going will off set the amount of NARC's being sold and keep the DEA off your back.
 
I had the same dream when I was in school. Even my hubby was pushing to help me financially start up my own pharmacy after graduation. So after graduation, I got a job with an independent pharmacy to learn the ropes before starting mine. It didn't take a month for me to realize that it wasn't for me. I rather work for someone and get paid whether I made sales or not. I work for WAG now and I'm happy with my decision
 
I currently work for a chain, I work for an independent as a staff, and I work for another independent on Saturdays.

There is still a lot of money to be made in independent pharmacies. There general rule NOW: If you are filling 50 scripts/day = you are breaking even. If you are filling 100 scripts/day = you are making a profit.

I have a friend where I work on Saturdays. I ran the report at his store. He fills 90 scripts per day from Monday to Friday and fills 20 scripts on Saturdays. His profit from Jan 1, 2013 to Sept 1, 2013 (from buying drugs, billing the insurances, and selling the medications) was $279,000. This does not include the pay for his 1 technician (--$20,000 max) and his salary (--$150,000 for example). This profit did not include his sale of front store items which I know he makes better margins than medications.

I thought owning an independent was a bad idea. That's when I floated from independent to independent from my week off to week off from CVS. Then I got a regular gig at an independent on my week off and I finally got and get to see how the business is run, how insurances really reimburse pharmacies, the cost of medications, how payroll is done, etc..

My goal now is to continue working at my chain, and open an independent pharmacy on my own with another dedicated partner, where we would work every other week and eventually hire our own pharmacist. The goal is to open with a friend or two who are physicians so we can get scripts constantly sent to us.

There is still A L O T of money to be made in pharmacy. It's all about how you play the game. There is so much knowledge and smarts in running YOUR OWN pharmacy, and I feel like the chains (CVS, WAGs, RAD) brain wash their pharmacists. These new grad pharmacists working for the major chains have absolutely no idea what it means to be a real pharmacist, a real drug dispenser, a real clinical, patient influencing, health care provider.

Go for it. It won't take 5 years to break even. With hard work, like my friend, it will only take a year. He worked every single day for 1 year, 365 days, and now he has every weekend off, employs 3 pharmacists, and never has to worry about anything.

Do it if you have the courage. Hopefully in a few years I will build up that courage.
 
If you do decide to become a proprietor, research how to protect your assets. You'll will not be an employee and liability insurance might not be enough for bad cases. You could lose everything if not properly shielded.
 
The independent I work at now's daily profit is 2500-3000 dollars. no exaggeration, i sign the daily log everyday that says the profit right on the bottom. we fill about 200-250 scripts a day(287 is my personal record). Independent pharmacies can definitely compete.
 
You guy's replies are very inspiring to me, but i have one caveat i need to have addressed, if possible.

Where are you guys located? In my living area, which is a suburban neighborhood, i have basically all the big national retailers around me. Some stores like Kroger have 3 stores in the area. The only independents i see are compounding places. I don't doubt the ability for independts to successfully compete against chains, but won't area make a huge difference?

I don't want to be a narcotic pill mill because of my fear of robberies, but seeing as that is a major portion of profit, i think that may not be avoidable.

I desperately want to put in the work to be successful, but i am just so lost. I have thought about buying NCPA's pharmacy ownership books to look more into this but at the moment, i just don't see how it is possible to attract customers. I'm not understanding the marketing behind it.
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I currently work for a chain, I work for an independent as a staff, and I work for another independent on Saturdays.
That is crazy, i thought your chain would have terminated you since you are working for a competitor. Unless i am not interpreting "conflict of interest" correctly.
 
The phrase.... location, location, location ....applies to all kinds of businesses: restaurants, hotels, and pharmacies. You bet location is important....it can make or break you. Consider location quality to be like blood pressure....you don't just have one blood pressure you have a range. Just the same, the quality of your location can range from abysmal to down right fantastic. I will give you an example of a few independent locations that I have had rotations at:

Very small independent pharmacy in a building with four other providers. A family doc, a dentist, a family planning clinic, and some other kind of professional...can't remember what now. This pharmacy was located in a relatively bad and poor area in south Chicago. The majority of this pharmacy's customers were local to the area, had possible transportation issues, and dealt with the provider's in the building. The pharmacy offered delivery services to its customers and serviced several LTC facilities handling a couple of hundred patients at each facility. The bulk of the patients came right into the pharmacy to fill their meds since they had the medical card and didn't care where they filled it. This pharmacy did fairly well for itself even though it had a relatively low volume due to the fact that its customers were long long long term and reliable and the addition of the LTC patients helped push the company's sales much higher.

Second independent: a medium sized independent located in a landlocked upwardly mobile urban area. This pharmacy was only open for 3 years in a building with nearly 50 prescriber's upstairs from the pharmacy. Took a while for the pharmacist to convince the prescriber's to send clients his way but once he did he has a high paying clientele purchasing compounded items (derm mainly but some custom headache meds) and is filling over 1400 Rx a week.

In each of these situations you can see why the pharmacy is a success....there are hard core reasons why they will succeed. I can give you another example that is of a pharmacy that I think would succeed.

A lower income south suburban suburb. An incredibly busy corner where there is a CVS on one corner doing over 4000 Rx a week and on the opposite kitty corner a Walgreens doing over 5,000 scripts a week. No matter which store you go into the wait is intolerable. The pharmacy staff looks like they are about to drop and the level of interaction with the customers is practically nill because factually speaking no one has any time for that. So, you tell me....would an independent pharmacy on one of the remaining corners do well or not? Good question yes? Both large pharmacies are handling as many scripts as they can in a fashion that is definitely like a conveyer belt approach...there is probably some room for a gutsy independent to carve out a customer base made up of the customers that have had it, having to wait for hours to get an antibiotic filled etc. Again, in most places they would tell you to not try and compete with the big boys head to head. Due to this particular situation in the LOCATION I think another pharmacy could be viable. How hard would it be to carve out 200 scripts from the least happy of the two pharmacies?

Most likely you need to do a lot of homework on owning a business and even more on owning an independent pharmacy. You should find mentors that are indie owners because I personally have found them to be absolutely giving and helpful. I really believe that if done right the independent pharmacy owner (of one or more stores) is the most profitable route for a pharmacist. Of course there are pharmacist's that earn more but they are few and far between, while I believe most people who have gotten through pharmacy school have the capacity (if not the know how or risk taking mindset) to run a successful pharmacy. Do your due diligence (you should work in an indie in some capacity so you learn first hand) and answer all your questions for yourself before you jump in to be successful.
 
Thanks buddy!

I have 2 more questions for indepedent owners out there:

1) How fearful are you of armed robberies? I still see pharmacies as easy targets because of both the cash and the narcotics in store. Is hiring armed security guards a bad idea?

2) In order to "collaborate" with prescribers, is that another way of saying that you will give them a cut of the profits (isn't that a conflict of interest)? I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around this concept. I don't see why any prescriber would voluntarily refer to X pharmacy unless there is something in store for them as restitution.
 
Thanks buddy!

I have 2 more questions for indepedent owners out there:

1) How fearful are you of armed robberies? I still see pharmacies as easy targets because of both the cash and the narcotics in store. Is hiring armed security guards a bad idea?

2) In order to "collaborate" with prescribers, is that another way of saying that you will give them a cut of the profits (isn't that a conflict of interest)? I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around this concept. I don't see why any prescriber would voluntarily refer to X pharmacy unless there is something in store for them as restitution.

I have worked for an Independent pharmacy since graduation, about 3.5 years now. We are very profitable, with 3 locations in the 3 neighboring towns. I have plans to buy at least two of these stores as our newest location, which just opened 3 weeks ago, is owned by the daughter of my employer and she is going to hold onto this store for a while.

First things first. If you are not sitting a bunch of capital, I would not consider a start up location. If you can afford all that it would take to open from scratch, then open up right across the street from a big chain. You would be amazed how well you can do in the midst of the big guys. I guarantee within 6 months you will grab 10-15% of their market share, so long as you have what the customers need and you provide a high level of service.

If you don't have a bunch of capital, consider purchasing an existing independent. You would be amazed how little out of pocket you will need to make this happen if you talk to the right people. So long as the owner is willing to put some collateral against the loan, which most are as they are advocates for the independent market, you can get in a store with little financial commitment. There are a few things that need to be in place in order to get approved for financing. The books on the store have to be clean and the store needs to have shown a history of good growth and solid cash flow. Check out Live Oak Bank, they can point in the right direction and they specialize in pharmacy lending.

As far as narcotics are concerned. A majority of our sales do not come from narcotics. We are one of the most strict pharmacies on our area when it comes to dispensing narcotics. If you open a store you need to tap into some niche markets. We do both sterile and non-sterile compounding, DME, & IV Home Infusion. DME is becoming more complicated than it is worth financially, but it drives traffic into the pharmacy so.....

You can collaborate with Physicians in the form of kick-backs and such, that would be a very slippery slope. A physician can recommend a pharmacy, but can not exclusively send patients to one particular pharmacy. If a physician was getting paid a portion of the sales, then this would eventually happen and cause trouble for all parties involved.

Statiscally independents are probably marginally at a higher risk for robbery and burglery. Good security systems (cameras) and location can mitigate this as well as having a a large enough staff. The key is to make it look hard for someone to get away with what they want to do. If there are always a ton of people in your store, ie staff and customers, and you have adequate survailance it is unlikely, but possible. It is important to discuss the risk with your staff and make sure to let them know that compliance with the threat is usually the best option. Always remember this, you cannot "make" your staff act in a certain manner when being robbed. It is unethical. You have to remember that they have a right to make their own decisions when "their" life is on the line. You would not be able to live with yourself if you told someone they "had" to be compliant and their compliance resulted in their death or harm. It's their life, their right to choose. If you wanted to hire an armed guard that is your choice, but most likely unecessary. You have to be sure the image you are portraying doesn't steer honest customers away.

One thing is for certain, do not graduate and then immediately open a store. You do not and will not know enough to be successful. (playing the odds; but I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time) Find an independent with some old owner and go talk to him/her. Find out if they are looking to get out, work your way into a position and build their trust. Then buy that sucker. You will not learn all of the things you will need to know to run your own store by working at a major chain. Get some experience with an independent and make the choice.

It's a lot of work. You will not be living the high life right away. It will be a 24/7 job for a while and you will have a whole new set of life challenges. If you are married or engaged, discuss it with your partner. It is not only your life and they have to be considered in the decision as well. Before I made the decision to work towards owning my own store, I made sure that it would be a goal for my wife as well and she is all in. (<------ This is very important😉

Good luck and feel free to PM anytime if you have some questions. There are a couple of other independent guys/gals on these boards that can offer their own advice.
 
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Thanks for your reply! I'll send a PM to you in a little bit.

Please, anyone else who has had experience with independents, chime in. I want to hear as much as i can.

A big thing for me is safety, as well as it is on everyone else's mind. Does anyone actually employ armed guards?
 
I currently work for a chain, I work for an independent as a staff, and I work for another independent on Saturdays.

There is still a lot of money to be made in independent pharmacies. There general rule NOW: If you are filling 50 scripts/day = you are breaking even. If you are filling 100 scripts/day = you are making a profit.

I have a friend where I work on Saturdays. I ran the report at his store. He fills 90 scripts per day from Monday to Friday and fills 20 scripts on Saturdays. His profit from Jan 1, 2013 to Sept 1, 2013 (from buying drugs, billing the insurances, and selling the medications) was $279,000. This does not include the pay for his 1 technician (--$20,000 max) and his salary (--$150,000 for example). This profit did not include his sale of front store items which I know he makes better margins than medications.

I thought owning an independent was a bad idea. That's when I floated from independent to independent from my week off to week off from CVS. Then I got a regular gig at an independent on my week off and I finally got and get to see how the business is run, how insurances really reimburse pharmacies, the cost of medications, how payroll is done, etc..

My goal now is to continue working at my chain, and open an independent pharmacy on my own with another dedicated partner, where we would work every other week and eventually hire our own pharmacist. The goal is to open with a friend or two who are physicians so we can get scripts constantly sent to us.

There is still A L O T of money to be made in pharmacy. It's all about how you play the game. There is so much knowledge and smarts in running YOUR OWN pharmacy, and I feel like the chains (CVS, WAGs, RAD) brain wash their pharmacists. These new grad pharmacists working for the major chains have absolutely no idea what it means to be a real pharmacist, a real drug dispenser, a real clinical, patient influencing, health care provider.

Go for it. It won't take 5 years to break even. With hard work, like my friend, it will only take a year. He worked every single day for 1 year, 365 days, and now he has every weekend off, employs 3 pharmacists, and never has to worry about anything.

Do it if you have the courage. Hopefully in a few years I will build up that courage.

When I work every other Saturday at the independent, we fill like 300-400 on the Saturday, and usually 500+ on the Weekdays. The niche here is that he's an Arab guy who opened a pharmacy in an Arab dominated neighborhood and pretty much all of the techs and clerks speak Arabic. The Arab customers have no reason to go anywhere like Duane Reade or CVS since there is no guarantee that they are gonna find Arabic speaking employees there. Plus he hooks them up when it comes when they go back to Egypt or Lebanon for 3 month vacations. He'll give them the 3 month supply and then bill their insurance every 30 days, keeping track of when to bill the insurances.
 
If you lack morals you can get into lifestyle script compounding. Bio-identical hormones for the women, t for the men, epo for the wanna be triathletes and hgh for all. A local pharmacy does this near me but I couldn't get them to prefill heparin syringes for a APS patient for me last week. Go figure
 
Thanks buddy!

I have 2 more questions for indepedent owners out there:

1) How fearful are you of armed robberies? I still see pharmacies as easy targets because of both the cash and the narcotics in store. Is hiring armed security guards a bad idea?

2) In order to "collaborate" with prescribers, is that another way of saying that you will give them a cut of the profits (isn't that a conflict of interest)? I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around this concept. I don't see why any prescriber would voluntarily refer to X pharmacy unless there is something in store for them as restitution.

1. I was worried about armed robberies at first too because I work in the bronx and everyday after I get out of work, the streets are just filled loud rap music, drunks, ghetto people etc. if you've ever seen the wire, think hamsterdam. But so far, it hasn't been a problem. what helps is, right across the street is a chase bank and banks usually have security tapes of the surrounding areas. plus, the cops patrol by often probably to prevent armed robberies in the bank. so if armed robberies is a fear, try to open one near a bank?

2. the other pharmacy i work at is directly next to a collaboration of doctors offices. most of their prescriptions come from those doctors exclusively. patients go see the doctors and come to the pharmacy right after. best thing about that is that if the doctor is hard to reach at the moment, you can just send your tech down the hallway into their office and solve the problem.
 
When I work every other Saturday at the independent, we fill like 300-400 on the Saturday, and usually 500+ on the Weekdays. The niche here is that he's an Arab guy who opened a pharmacy in an Arab dominated neighborhood and pretty much all of the techs and clerks speak Arabic. The Arab customers have no reason to go anywhere like Duane Reade or CVS since there is no guarantee that they are gonna find Arabic speaking employees there. Plus he hooks them up when it comes when they go back to Egypt or Lebanon for 3 month vacations. He'll give them the 3 month supply and then bill their insurance every 30 days, keeping track of when to bill the insurances.

LOL at admitting insurance fraud on the internet. Everyone take a shot!
 
I was a little unsure I'd what he's doing is fraud since he's not billing the insurance without dispensing the meds. A gray area for sure but less illegal than some of the other stuffs he's admitted to.
 
LOL at admitting insurance fraud on the internet. Everyone take a shot!

How is that insurance fraud? Insurance only allows for 30 days at a time. You fill the rx for a 30 day supply and refill twice under cash. Customer pays you the copay for all 3 fills. You simply bill the insurance for the other 2 refills at 30 days and 60 days past the original fill.

Same with refill too soon. You front them the meds and they pay you what the usual copay is and bill it when it will go through.

The only risk is if their insurance goes out of effect and they don't renew, now you're stuck with the cost if the customer never comes back to pay.
 
I was a little unsure I'd what he's doing is fraud since he's not billing the insurance without dispensing the meds. A gray area for sure but less illegal than some of the other stuffs he's admitted to.


Collecting for three dispensing fees while only dispensing once is definitely fraud. Not to mention falsifying records.
 
this is the best / most productive thread i've ever seen in SDN so far. I and my wife(FNP) are planning on opening together by year of 2020 or 2025. i deeply appreciate all great posts and inspiration. Pharmacists are capable of doing own business and make a profit (+community service I want to do).

You guys are awesome!

Thank you again.. I'll bookmark this thread and read again when I feel down 🙂
 
How is that insurance fraud? Insurance only allows for 30 days at a time. You fill the rx for a 30 day supply and refill twice under cash. Customer pays you the copay for all 3 fills. You simply bill the insurance for the other 2 refills at 30 days and 60 days past the original fill.

Same with refill too soon. You front them the meds and they pay you what the usual copay is and bill it when it will go through.

The only risk is if their insurance goes out of effect and they don't renew, now you're stuck with the cost if the customer never comes back to pay.

Its fraudulent by the insurance companies standard. The difficult thing to do would be to provide 3 signatures on different dates to reflect the 3 separate dispensing fees.
 
If you lack morals you can get into lifestyle script compounding. Bio-identical hormones for the women, t for the men, epo for the wanna be triathletes and hgh for all. A local pharmacy does this near me but I couldn't get them to prefill heparin syringes for a APS patient for me last week. Go figure

While certainly one who lack morals can get into some interesting compounding practices. Not all HRT compounding is immoral.
 
Collecting for three dispensing fees while only dispensing once is definitely fraud. Not to mention falsifying records.
Dispensing fee is negligible, if there even is one. What exactly is that $1 given for? Cost of the bottle and label? Pharmacist's time and effort to verify profile, drug, and counsel? All of those things still happened.

Is it cheaper for the health plan to cover a 3 month supply, or pay for the ill effects of taking the medicine 1/3 as often? Maybe the patient should try their luck getting access to pharmaceuticals while in developing nations, because as I've been told by insurance companies "we don't have vacation overrides, because the patient can get their medication filled at their travel destination."
 
Before even interviewing at an independent, call as a customer and ask for a quote on oxycodone 30mg. If they give a price per pill and mention there's an atm in the pharmacy.....

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Not all independents are like this, but do your due diligence before getting involved...
 
Relationship with customers is critical

An existing, well liked, busy store in a rich neighborhood.. now that is a catch of independents.
 
In order to get the customers to come into your store in the first place you have to do some sort of marketing, right?

I mean it's not like you just open up a pharmacy, and people just start walking in, what with all the competition around.

The marketing is one of the most confusing parts for me, i dont know how to even start.
 
From what I hear the only independent pharmacies staying a float are the ones dispensing heavy amounts of Narcotics. The profit margin is so great that they can get by without hitting "pill mill" status this is done through securing LTC facilities which have a high volume of non narc patients. Having this going will off set the amount of NARC's being sold and keep the DEA off your back.

Legitimate independents usually do compounding or have LTC contracts, which may include the county jail. You wouldn't do ANY controlled substances if you serviced the jail, not even things like Lyrica or phenobarbital. People who MUST have drugs like that are hospitalized.
 
We fill narcs for the jail all the time, as the backup pharmacy for the LTC pharmacy, which is out of state and delivers mail order (which also fills narcs all the time - I know because I'm also their consultant pharmacist). It probably just depends on local laws or policy
 
In order to get the customers to come into your store in the first place you have to do some sort of marketing, right?

I mean it's not like you just open up a pharmacy, and people just start walking in, what with all the competition around.

The marketing is one of the most confusing parts for me, i dont know how to even start.

The first place to start is with the physicians. Build a good relationship with them and they can recommend people check you out. Any of the ways a traditional business would market would be a good place to start.

Taking out a large add in the local paper is a good place to start. We have small paper in my town and I'm amazed at how many people still read the damn thing. I didn't think anyone read the paper anymore.
 
Relationship with customers is critical

An existing, well liked, busy store in a rich neighborhood.. now that is a catch of independents.

Rich people are the absolute worse to deal with. They are used to expensive service and are snobby about everything. the only possible benefit i can think of is that if their insurance is bugging out, they wont mind paying the AWP for some drug

I used to work in a pharmacy in chelsea manhattan and this old dude who gets forteo from us, insurance expired. i thought he was gonna just wait to get it renewed. he said he really needed it, went home(lives down the block), and came back with 2000 dollars cash
 
Rich people are the absolute worse to deal with. They are used to expensive service and are snobby about everything. the only possible benefit i can think of is that if their insurance is bugging out, they wont mind paying the AWP for some drug

I used to work in a pharmacy in chelsea manhattan and this old dude who gets forteo from us, insurance expired. i thought he was gonna just wait to get it renewed. he said he really needed it, went home(lives down the block), and came back with 2000 dollars cash

Well one other possible benefit is that they probably all have insurance that reimburses high margins aka substantially above acquisition cost.

Unlike, say, medicaid.
 
Well one other possible benefit is that they probably all have insurance that reimburses high margins aka substantially above acquisition cost.

Unlike, say, medicaid.

You would think, but most commerical plans follow CMS reimbursement schedules. There are even some PBMs that pay less than CMS on some items, like ExpressScripts.
 
Just wondering: at an independent, would it be perfectly legal to offer lower copays and cash back on certain transactions?
 
My friend and I have an opportunity to present ourselves to the managing company of a professional building to secure space for a pharmacy. We would be right by 5 or so different private doctor offices. It seems like a highly competitive area and we are not the only interested party. What exactly are we presenting/selling ourselves? our business plan? anybody encountered this situation before?
 
My friend and I have an opportunity to present ourselves to the managing company of a professional building to secure space for a pharmacy. We would be right by 5 or so different private doctor offices. It seems like a highly competitive area and we are not the only interested party. What exactly are we presenting/selling ourselves? our business plan? anybody encountered this situation before?

Bump. Curious about this, too.
 
You just have to convince them that you are going to generate more business/traffic for the plaza as a whole, than say, just another Dr's office. My guess is that current space is limited?

The plaza owners/managers are going to make sure the business is right for them. That it is sustainable and not some fly by night operation that may guarantee ocupation for only a year or so. I think given the Dr's offices in the area, a pharmacy would be a good fit and would certainly provide the longevity they would be looking for. With that said, they will want to see a failry comprehensive business plan, which would include a time-frame for you to get things up and running.

If you are not prepared to move in and begin business when they want you may miss the bus. Keep in mind that it takes some time to get Medicaid/Medicare provider ID and DEA numbers. Before that you will need to be inspected by your state board, and before that it needs to look like a real pharmacy for the board to approve it. All be told, you are looking at around 9 months at the very least and probably longer. Good Luck!
 
You just have to convince them that you are going to generate more business/traffic for the plaza as a whole, than say, just another Dr's office. My guess is that current space is limited?

The plaza owners/managers are going to make sure the business is right for them. That it is sustainable and not some fly by night operation that may guarantee ocupation for only a year or so. I think given the Dr's offices in the area, a pharmacy would be a good fit and would certainly provide the longevity they would be looking for. With that said, they will want to see a failry comprehensive business plan, which would include a time-frame for you to get things up and running.

If you are not prepared to move in and begin business when they want you may miss the bus. Keep in mind that it takes some time to get Medicaid/Medicare provider ID and DEA numbers. Before that you will need to be inspected by your state board, and before that it needs to look like a real pharmacy for the board to approve it. All be told, you are looking at around 9 months at the very least and probably longer. Good Luck!

kvl,

thanx for your input. much appreciated!
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This could all be bypassed by opening a pharmacy that does not take insurance plans, period. I've read about them, and there are some practitioners that do this too; they tend to be psychiatrists or independent family practitioners. There's a doctor in my city who hung out a shingle with his name on it and "Adults $49 - Children $29" underneath, and has a list in his office of all the services he provides and what he charges for them, and will give people all the paperwork they need to file on their insurance if they have it.

Many of these enterprises have proven very successful.
 
You just have to convince them that you are going to generate more business/traffic for the plaza as a whole, than say, just another Dr's office. My guess is that current space is limited?

The plaza owners/managers are going to make sure the business is right for them. That it is sustainable and not some fly by night operation that may guarantee ocupation for only a year or so. I think given the Dr's offices in the area, a pharmacy would be a good fit and would certainly provide the longevity they would be looking for. With that said, they will want to see a failry comprehensive business plan, which would include a time-frame for you to get things up and running.

If you are not prepared to move in and begin business when they want you may miss the bus. Keep in mind that it takes some time to get Medicaid/Medicare provider ID and DEA numbers. Before that you will need to be inspected by your state board, and before that it needs to look like a real pharmacy for the board to approve it. All be told, you are looking at around 9 months at the very least and probably longer. Good Luck!

👍 thanks!!
 
Thanks for your reply! I'll send a PM to you in a little bit.

Please, anyone else who has had experience with independents, chime in. I want to hear as much as i can.

A big thing for me is safety, as well as it is on everyone else's mind. Does anyone actually employ armed guards?

If safety is a big thing for you, then there is no bigger protector of your life than yourself. Our constitution does provide us with the right to bear arms, and depending on your state you should have the right to conceal carry a firearm for your own personal protection. Of course, owning a firearm carries an immense amount of responsibility, but if you are up to learning the state and federal firearm laws and actually practicing consistently with the weapon then you could have an effective form of defense for yourself and your employees. Plus, you will have the ultimate defense in conceal carry - the element of surprise. With an armed guard, criminals will know who to take out first and it will cost you a pretty penny every year.
 
I've worked as a tech at a very profitable independent pharmacy, so I know it's possible. The startup and the first few years are the hardest, but if you can turn a profit and know how to manage your store like some of the pharmacists I've met, then you can certainly make it work. Having a niche market is a key to success. I hope to do do this one day when I'm a pharmacist as well. 🙂
 
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